BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary

Subject: BS: And Now It's About Hillary
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jul 16 - 08:45 PM

The Republican National Convention ended last night, and none too soon. After a week listening to people with that mindset, I was starting to think they might be a majority in the U.S.

But The convention ended Thursday, and Friday was a Hillary day. First she had a rally and answered the Republican convention very aptly, but the left the question of her running mate hanging. Late in the day, Clinton announced that Virginia U.S. Senator Tim Kaine would be her running mate.

I was hoping Hillary would pick Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders as a running mate, but it sounds like Kaine is a good choice.

You go, Hillary!

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 03:47 AM

Now it's all about Hillary.   From the perspective of World Peace, that is the problem

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 06:11 AM

"From the perspective of World Peace,"
Britain armed Qaddafi, educated his son to take over and armed his opponents to help overthrow him.
Lorra-lorra "world peace" in that.
im Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 06:59 AM

Delegates to the Democratic National Convention have been cautioned against using the words "great", "fantastic", and "amazing" when speaking with the media. A list of alternative superlatives such as "superior", "outstanding", and "extraordinary" has been provided.

The words "epic" and "awesome" have also been proscribed, not because they are identified with Mr. Trump, but because they're just plain fucking lame and nobody should use them.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 07:01 AM

Gaddafi is gone Jim, brutally murdered, we are not discussing him in this thread, but the motivations and perceptions of someone who may be the leader of one of the most powerful nations on earth.

In my opinion she is proven to be unfit for high office.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 07:03 AM

Mr Trump may also be unfit for office, but that is yet to be proved or disproved.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: mkebenn
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 07:10 AM

My God, ake, are you really that dense, or are ya trollin? If you are, seek help. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:36 AM

He is that dense. This is the guy who not to many months ago was still promoting Sarah Palin as the savior of western civilization.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:39 AM

"Dense" is a serious understatement.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:42 AM

"Gaddafi is gone Jim, brutally murdered, we are not discussing him "
Then why did you raise a statement by him?
"In my opinion she is proven to be unfit for high office."
You haven't liked her since she turned you down.
Britain has dealt with, supported, sold arms to very shade of political extremism on the planet and continues to do so.
In fact, Clinton says nothing at all in support of Qaddafi in your clip - she states it exactly as it was.
Whatever her failings, and I have no doubt there are many, she is infinitely more acceptable that the alternative of a monster like Trump - though it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that you support him and his racist viciousness.
What do you propose as an alternative Ake?
Putting him in office to prove whether he is fit is gibberish - his pre-election statements expose him as the fascist he is.
"My God, ake, are you really that dense"
Yup - 'fraid so.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: mkebenn
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 09:01 AM

Malania is much too innocent to be hanging by her heels in front of a gas station. Donald, not so much. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 12:47 PM

Mr Trump is no Fascist, he is of Scottish extraction on his mothers' side.....she was a MacLeod of Lewis daughter of a crofter, Maryanne to her kin. I know a family who remember her.

If Mr Trump has any of the "Leosach" in him, he'll make a fair enough president for the Yanks. Och the puir craiturs need a wee bit grit in their diet or they'll all be goin' aboot layin' soft shelled eggs.

My great grandmother was a "Leosach"

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 12:53 PM

"Mr Trump is no Fascist,"
Yes he is - what's his ancestry got to do with anything - don't they have fascists in Scotland?
You sound as if you're recommending him on his racial purity - point made, I think.
Did you know that the father of the Nazi Party was a basket-maker?
Not a lot of people know that!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Janie
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 03:28 PM

I think Kaine is a very good choice, Joe. I'd much rather see both Bernie and Elizabeth stay in the senate.

My concern is that Trump is not being taken seriously by his opposition in either his own party or by many in the Democratic party. He is a master manipulator.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:32 PM

Scottish fascists? There've been a few all right, in every sense of the word.

But I don't really think Donald Trump fits the word. Every bit as nasty, but lacking some of the essential characteristics of your classic pseudo-militaristic Fascist.

He's a xenophobic American populist, interested in getting power, and without a single thing he believes in, apart from himself. And as Chesterton sagely wrote "Believing in himself is one of the commonest signs of a rotter... Believing utterly in one's self is a hysterical and superstitious belief." In fact it is a kind of madness.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jul 16 - 08:34 PM

And as I pushed the button to send that, another name of whom much the same could be said popped into my head. Tony Blair. And he of course was Scottish...

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:08 AM

I don't think Mr Trump would turn out to be an ideological interventionist Mr McGrath, should he be elected President.

Given the two candidates, Mrs Clinton is the only proven warmonger.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:16 AM

I think Ake STILL is clueless about American government and politics. It does rather read like trolling.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:41 AM

Trump actually reminds me of Huey Long, "The Kingfish"

Jon Bartlett

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 02:47 AM

I never dreamed I'd actually see anyone supporting Trump on this forum - but taking into consideration who it is......
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Thompson
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 04:40 AM

Trump horrifies me. But hearing this morning that Clinton's chosen vice-president candidate is "adamantly against the death penalty" but presided over something like nine State killings during his time as a governor gives me no confidence.
(I speak as someone who has lost two close relatives to State murder.)

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 05:27 AM

I don't "support" Mr Trump Jim, had I been eligible to vote, my vote would have gone to Mr Sanders as Democratic candidate.

I think that Mrs Clinton is beyond the pale given her previous record in office and her professed attitude to World Politics.......I would probably abstain had I the opportunity.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 05:29 AM

"I think Ake STILL is clueless about American government and politics."

It's very kind of you to keep the list so short.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 05:32 AM

Acme, you should know by now that I never "troll".
Everything I write I consider carefully and firmly believe.

Your remarks concerning my supposed misogyny would almost certainly be in the trolling category?

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 05:54 AM

"I don't "support" Mr Trump
By even considering a racist, crudely aggressive, mysoginist, warmongering boorish lout as the leader of the most powerful country in the world is support enough - he is an extremely dangerous man, and to suggest that his might turn out otherwise is strange to say the least.
Your obsessive hatred of Clinton is irrational - she is no better or worse than any other middle-of-the-road pro-capitalist politicians - I have to confess that, as you have never explained that hatred, misogyny sprang to mind with me - not beyond the realms of possibility considering your homophobia - horse and carriage.
You cannot blame people for reaching their own conclusions given your constantly making outrageously extreme statements then leaving them undefended.
I find you totally beyond the pale politically.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 09:15 AM

"I hate and despise the person I am talking about" is a mode of discourse better left to the Trumps of this world, I suggest. Not the best role model.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 09:43 AM

To whom are you referring in your previous post Mr McGrath?

I have never said that I hate and despise anyone.

I have said that Mrs Clinton is a serial warmonger. A supporter and prime mover in the interventions regarding Iraq Libya and Syria....all completely wrong in my opinion and decisions which have greatly endangered us all; resulting in the advancement of Islamic Fundamentalism and associated terrorism.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: mkebenn
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 10:12 AM

I give mr Carroll a second. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 10:17 AM

There is a reason the Russians and Wikileaks released the hacked Democratic National Party emails RIGHT NOW - they fear and want to cripple Hillary. They're probably ecstatic over the idea that a hot mess like Trump would end up in office - every strong man and dictator, every Kim Jong-Un and Putin, would be able to run circles around that fool. He might even do their work for them, if they can fool about who is doing what out there in the World. Hillary has her eye on the ball.

If this thread is indeed "about Hillary" then Ake, I suggest you relax and not post every other remark here. Your bad opinion has registered, and by continuing to interfere in a thread that you don't understand, that you just want to undermine, IS TROLLING. So sit on your hands while you read, or better yet, go play a musical instrument. Let the people who actually have an interest in this discussion participate without your noise.

I have thoughts on Brexit and on the SNP, etc, but you didn't see me arguing with everyone who put up a post opposite of my opinion. Especially since it would be pompous of me to push myself into the middle of a discussion you're essentially holding among yourselves.

Get it yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Janie
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 11:00 AM

Thompson. My condolences to you and your family.

Don't know if this will be useful information to you. https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrismcdaniel/tim-kaines-complicated-history-with-the-death-penalty?utm_term=.qhAawaWW1#.mqxQyQBBd

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Janie
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 11:40 AM

There have certainly been times when I have held my nose and voted for candidates I considered the lesser of evils, but that won't be the case in this election. I think Hillary is a qualified to hold the office of POTUS as any person can be in this post-modern age.

I also understand that many on the left and the right really do not like or trust her. My hope is they will hold their noses and vote for her anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: mkebenn
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 12:22 PM

Wow "hot mess" is perfect. I approve of Mr Kane's selection. I was pulling for Liz or Sharod, but as their replacements would have fallen to republicans, I'm ok. Besides, he's amazingly progressive for someone elected in Virginia, and we need the Senate. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 04:19 PM

Trump reminds me of Berlusconi due to his relationship with popular media, loose speech and shoot from the hip attitude. But he is potentially and American Berlusconi with access to The Button.

I think Tim Kaine is an adequate choice. I enjoyed his speech with occasional dips into Spanish.

LaGuardia campaigned in English, Italian, and Yiddish.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Thompson
Date: 24 Jul 16 - 05:54 PM

Thanks, Janie, that's the article that I saw that gave me the creeping chills.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 12:09 PM

Along with Michael Moore, I am the bearer of extremely bad news. Get ready to say hello to President Trump, the new "Il Duce".

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 12:19 PM

It could have been worse..:00

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 01:17 PM

"It could have been worse"
Unbelievable!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 04:45 PM

Timing is everything.

Putin's online troll factory may be trying to get Trump elected to undermine US.

Ya think?

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Jul 16 - 08:57 PM

Well, everyone has to admit the Democratic Convention has gotten off to a horrendous start. Thanks to the Russian hackers, there is no longer any doubt that the Democratic National Committee was doing its best (or worst) to tilt the primaries for Hillary Clinton. I suppose that's really no great surprise but I do resent the Russians trying to manipulate our elections. And, of course, Trump is delighted that they are so successful.

As a Bernie supporter in the Primary, I have no problem now urging others to stand with Hillary Clinton. There's no way this country can afford a Donald Trump. Reread IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE by Sinclair Lewis in the 1930s, and think carefully before you sit this one out, vote for a third party candidate, or vote for Trump.

Charlie Ipcar

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Janie
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 01:51 AM

Not a harmonious start, CN, but I don't think I would call it horrendous. We will have to wait and see how it plays out over the remaining 3 days. I wasn't able to tune in until just after 8 this evening. At the point I started watching it was pretty raucous and the Hillary Haters were going strong. Appears they were able to restrain some of their hate a bit once Michelle Obama began speaking. She was magnificant!

Had an interesting conversation with my 87 year old mother this evening. She watched the Republican convention and had seen some of the earlier broadcast of the DNC and environs that I had not seen.    What struck her was how much hate was in evidence throughout the Republican convention, and was very worried with respect to the state and the future of our country that hate was also in evidence to the extent it was from Hillary haters at the Dem. convention.



Michelle and Booker were inspirational.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Stu
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 05:01 AM

"I suppose that's really no great surprise but I do resent the Russians trying to manipulate our elections."

Is it any worse than Obama coming over here to threaten the UK during the Brexit campaign? Because that backfired and really pissed people off, including Remainers. Russian/US self-interest are the motivations in these interventions and democracy can go hang.

Same man, different hat.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 07:10 AM

Folks, a giant elephant is dropping ever-larger turds in the room. We do not have the luxury of choices anymore. There is exactly one. You can have Clinton, or you can have Trump. Period. Full stop.

Never mind all the yes-but-look-at [fill in the latest scandal] arguments. None of them makes any difference now. The only thing that matters is what name you mark in your ballot on election day. And the sole power available to you is: Decide which is the greater evil. Then back the lesser one.

Abstain or waste your vote on a third candidate - ANY third candidate - and you throw away your single chance of affecting the outcome which you, along with the rest of us, will be living under. We're all in the same boat come November, whatever our divisions in July. America's leader will either be Hillary Clinton, or else it will be Donald Trump. Choose. Don't run away because you don't like either of them.

The pile of elephant shit is growing as I type, and the room is only so big. It will smother us alive if we're not careful. If we're not mindful of the stark realities. If we're not unified.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: gillymor
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 07:10 AM

Michelle Obama in 2024! She knocked it out of the park last night.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: gillymor
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 07:18 AM

Well said, Bonnie. If Sanders supporters don't get behind HRC they are going to wind up with pretty much the opposite of Bernie. Just ask the man himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 07:39 AM

If it is al about Hillary why doe everyone involk th name Trump in this thread?

There was no mention of Bernie.

When the Tea party took over the Republican propaganda machine the elites of the party became concerned they could lose power.
The elites funded House candidates under the Tea party banner and the GOP lost their own base.

Bernie has started the revolution that now threatens the Democratic Party.

The under card for the next 4 years may be Bernie candidates.


The best line of the Michelle speech CAN NOT be plagurized by the TRUMP family.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 08:03 AM

Perhaps it'd be better to refer to him as He Who Must Not Be Named.

What need is there for any positive reasons to vote for the only person who can stop him?

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 09:13 AM

Michelle Obama and Corey Booker both nailed it last night. For the record, if you watch it on C-Span, you don't get all the talking heads.

The rabid Sanders fans have been driving me crazy since whenever, and I'm a fan. I think that if they're just looking for an excuse to be jerks, they should just go join the jerk party.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: mkebenn
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 09:30 AM

Jeri, I think Sara Silverman nailed it. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 09:44 AM

I totally agree, mkebenn. Sarah Silverman's speech.

Subject: RE: BS: Democratic Convention - Now It's About Hillary
From: Bonnie Shaljean
Date: 26 Jul 16 - 10:26 AM

Oh man, you're not kidding Sarah Silverman nailed it. Heartening to hear the lengthy roars of approval when - in what appears to be an unscripted moment - she told the Bernie Or Bust Brigade that they were being ridiculous. (What part of "bust" are they failing to understand?) Also glad to see the enthusiastic reception for her "unity"-speak. Thanks SO much for posting that link. Hope it goes viral.