BS: Trump again

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 12:00 PM

You're right, Steve. Trump is too stupid to see how attractive older women are.

Like BWL, I am worried about his followers. They may have said "Mitt who?" in 2012 but his supporters in the House declared they would work single-mindedly to block everything that Obama wanted and in 2008 declared they would try to make him a one term president. They were pretty effective with that first part. Mindlessly banding together to subvert the legislative process, regardless of merit, simply because they wanted to send a message to an uppity Black man who was elected to the highest office. Anyone set the odds they'll try to do the same thing to the uppity woman who is elected to the highest office?

Fingers crossed the "down ballot" elections clear out some more of the Tea Party riffraff. (About 1/3 of them have already picked up their balls and headed home because being a politician is hard work, it isn't much fun, and they didn't know what the fuck they were doing.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: mkebenn
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 12:46 PM

Greg, I love the image of millions of pissed off cockroachs!

Check out you tube.. he's still here/trump Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 01:24 PM

A lot of these gutless Republican politicians who are jumping ship on Trump (why now and why not the very first day of his campaign when he characterized Mexicans as rapists and murderers when any decent person would have repudiated him) are turning toward Mike Pence who is about as extreme a right winger as you will find. He makes Ted Cruz look like Ted Kennedy.
Guardian article here

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 04:31 PM

And then I give you Rudy Giuliani - who is - tho its hard to credit - an even slimier piece of shit than Trump hisself.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 06:51 PM

The battle of little big hands is about to begin aka 2nd debate,
and may be known in the future as Cusswords last stand.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 07:50 PM

GREG this one is for you

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 08:11 PM

Thank's Donuel - and THANK YOU ROBERT! that sums it up pretty succinctly.

But I'm still worried about the millions of cockroaches.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Oct 16 - 11:24 PM

The man is a life-size dick walking around without a condom over his head.

DeNiro said it.

"If you care about your future, vote for it."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:37 AM

I think Hillary handled the matter of Trump's Access Hollywood sex-talk video just right. She took the high road, and spoke of it as just one thing on a long list. It was fun to watch Trump squirm when he talked about the video.

Trump's "because you'd be in jail" line was totally without support, but I think it pleased his supporters.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 06:37 AM

A friend once described this latest Trumpgate type scenario, succinctly.

"No one corrects them, they are too valuable to disagree with them"

Well, IMNSHO, there is a huge correction going on, but Trump is too focussed on himself to take much notice.

Learn from the UK and maybe Austria. Just because Trump isn't going to win, doesn't mean you can be re-assured. Shit happens.

Don't forget - Nigel Farrage has been advising Trump. Be afraid!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 08:37 AM

"Pussygate" appears to have been addressed to the satisfaction of the debate audience. Perhaps a bit more concentration on foreign affairs would be more germane, as world war three is a distinct possibility if Mrs Clinton wins the presidency.
Her stance of removing President Assad at ALL COSTS is extremely short sighted even for her.

Mr Red, you are right once more. I listened to the whole debate as it happened and I remarked to my son this morning that I heard definite echo's of Mr Farage in Mr Trumps delivery.
Another performance like last night may just be enough to tip the balance.
To me the most salient point in the debate was Mr Trump's statement that both parties are corrupt ....Democrat and Republicans.....and there is no chance of change while the Two Party system has control.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 02:55 PM

Just one question then, ake. Do you think it acceptable to talk about women that way when you are in the locker room?


I don't, so saying "it is just locker room talk" doesn't cut a lot of ice with me.

Of course? I have no vote either way.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:27 PM

Shits of a feather flock together:

""Nigel Farage, interim leader of the UK Independence Party, was also in the spin room to defend Trump and attack Clinton as a threat to democracy. "If you value democracy and if you value being in control of your own destiny then you have to reject Hillary Clinton's ideas. Simple," said Farage.""


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/10/debate-donald-trump-threatens-to-jail-hillary-clinton

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:28 PM

Of course I don't think it's acceptable D and I never converse in that manner, but such intercourse does go on in all types of society and politicians seem to be drawn to that sort of thing....I and I suppose you, have heard it many times.

Is Acme's description of Mr Trump so much different? Would it have been acceptable if directed at a woman?

President Clinton actually engaged in the sexual abuse of young interns, he was supported by Mrs Clinton who verbally attacked the victims   THAT is different.

In saying that many of our best politicians have been sexually, or rather, morally flawed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:33 PM

To me the most salient point in the debate was Mr Trump's statement that both parties are corrupt

Once more, your delusional false equivalence.

Ake, tell your story walking. And get over your monomaniacal anti-Clinton delusions.

Trump's "because you'd be in jail" line was totally without support, but I think it pleased his supporters.

Yep, Joe, the cockroaches - who inhabit a fact-free dimension- love him.

Just wait till he loses & the cockroaches take to the streets.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:46 PM

Of course I don't think it's acceptable D and I never converse in that manner, but such intercourse does go on in all types of society and politicians seem to be drawn to that sort of thing....I and I suppose you, have heard it many times.

Quite so, Ake. You are free to hear such things and as a sentient and free person can choose not to follow suit. As can I.

As could Donald Trump, but he chose to demean women instead. And as I repeat, it is no sort of excuse to say other people do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:50 PM

such intercourse does go on in all types of society

Ake, see 08 Oct 16 - 01:06 PM . And tell your story walking.

Cockroaches On Parade

Scroll down to "Trump Twitter Loved It" by Zeynep Tufekci

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 04:51 PM

I would add that as far as we can tell from the recording, he was not reacting to other people making remarks like that, he was initiating them.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:01 PM

I'm also wondering what his followers, if he still has any, will do when he loses. Obama should have the National Guard on alert.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:01 PM

Poor old Donald, Paul Ryan bailed on him today. When it rains it pours.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:14 PM

his followers, if he still has any

He has, ans will have, millions. Be afraid, be very afraid......

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:18 PM

I think the actions of the Republican establishment will be of benefit to Mr Trump in the country.
The Republican establishment hate him even more than the equally corrupt Democrats do.

Anything which frightens the political establishment must be good for America.   Mr Farage engineered a famous victory overran out of touch establishment, Mr Trump can do the same.

It is imperative for world peace that Mrs Clinton is defeated and that has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she is female.

Neither should that fact influence how people vote........policies, especially foreign policy are especially important at this time.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:23 PM

You're whipping a dead horse, Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:27 PM

And, available for viewing just now: videos of Trump, at the time of Bill Clinton's sex debacle, 1: expressing sympathy for what Hillary was subjected to, and 2: demeaning the women who brought accusations against Bill. Ya can't make this stuff up...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:28 PM

No, Ake is whipping a dead fallacy (or fallacies), as he has been since the outset.

Anything which frightens the political establishment must be good for America

Said like a true fascist. (or simply an idiot) Seig Trump! Seig Trump!! Seig Trump!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:39 PM

I worry a bit about the women who had that press conference with Trump before the meeting. If any money changed hands they will suffer greatly, and Teump will brush it off. And I am sure lots of press are examining waste bins and having drinks with their friends trying to find that out. Even if no money changed hands, there could be libel changes to face after the votes are in. Then at least one had a payment as part of an agreement not to pursue charges. She may be in breach of that agreement. All in all, these women could find they have drawn very short straws. And they are entirely dependant on the Clintons deciding pursuing such actions would do more harm than good.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 05:43 PM

As none of the accusations against Clinton were ever proved and the majority simply thrown out of court, I hope the Clintons will file defamation suits PLUS initiating a criminal suit for conspiracy including the women, Trump, and Trump's handlers.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 07:23 PM

Nigel Farage's support isn't necessarily entirely helpful to Trump. He commented that Trump in the debate prowling around made him think of a silverback gorilla.

That was presented as a compliment, but I think any gorilla lover would call it a libel on gorillas.

Looking at that "debate" the thing that stood out for me was not so much the stuff that was said, it was Trump's body language. It was the stuff of nightmares the way he lurched around leaning menacingly over Hillary as she ignored him. It was like something out of a horror movie. His constant gurning made things worse. He doesn't even make any effort to avoid looking like a monster - as he said in that tape, and he's said in public speaking, he thinks get can get away with anything. I'm reminded of the way Jimmy Savile said the same thing, boasting of his invulnerability and in a way daring the world to recognise what he was, secure in the knowledge it wouldn't dare to join up the dots.

I too get frightened at the thought of President Clinton moving into action to sort out Syria with American military might. But the thought of President Trump and what he might decide to do is even scarier. Nothing he says gives any reliable hint of what he might do. I seriously think he is literally unhinged.

I just hope that the situation in Syria might have moved on to a stage where adventurism isn't an option by the time Hillary gets to run things.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 09:18 PM

he thinks get can get away with anything

Its not something he THINKS, Kevin, its a fact - as the millions of morons and worse who still love him at this point in time clearly demonstrates.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 09:36 PM

The relevant thing is that it's what he thinks. It may well be true, at least at this tine, but that's another matter. Even if it weren't true, he'd think it. I don't know whether he fits the criteria to be diagnosed as a psycopath - I suspect he well might - but that kind of belief in being invulnerable is a characteristic of psycopathy.

Here is a checklist of psycopathic qualities ( the Hare Psychopathy Checklist Revised, or Hare PCL-R.) A lot of it these to fit remarkably well with what we have seen of Trump

Glibness/superficial charm

Grandiose sense of self-worth

Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom

Pathological lying

Conning/manipulative

Lack of remorse or guilt

Shallow affect

Callous/lack of empathy

Parasitic lifestyle

Poor behavioral control

Promiscuous sexual behavior

Early behavior problems

Lack of realistic, long-term goals

Impulsivity

Irresponsibility

Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Many short-term marital relationships -

Juvenile delinquency

Revocation of conditional release

Criminal versatility

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 09:50 PM

Of course he's a narcissistic psychopath, Kevin - was in the beginning, is now & ever shall be, Trump (and Trumpist's - who are also largely psychopathic) without end, Amen.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 10 Oct 16 - 10:01 PM

I'm a gorilla lover and I agree with your assessment, Mac. I came face to face with a silverback mountain gorilla in Rwanda in 2005 and he seemed to have a far more imposing intellect than Donald.

Last night he kept looming up behind Ms. Clinton like a thug and I imagine that in light of his groping remark in the Access Hollywood video women viewers all across the nation were cringing. It's showing up in the polls.   

Florida voters will have at least until Wednesday to register to vote. A federal judge overruled our jackass governor (Rick Scott scored big with the GOP by reducing early voting days in 2012 here for no other reason than that it benefits Democratic voters) who refused to extend the registration deadline due to Hurricane Matthew and the subsequent flooding and evacuations. There's to be a hearing tomorrow that might extend it further.

Article here

From the artlcle:

"It has been suggested that the issue of extending the voter registration deadline is about politics. Poppycock," Walker wrote. "This case is about the right of aspiring eligible voters to register and to have their votes counted. Nothing could be more fundamental to our democracy."

Article here

So if you live in Florida and haven't registered to vote better shake a leg.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 03:34 AM

The biggest problem facing the world at the moment is Islamic Fundamentalism, removing president Assad from power will ensure Syria goes the way of all the other interventions with which Mrs Clinton has been deeply involved....Is there anyone here who disagrees with that?

The defeat of IS cannot be achieved without the involvement of Iran, Russia and the Syrian govt. That is a fact that most serious commentators accept.
Mrs Clinton is basically a Neo Con who has said that she is dedicated to regime change in Syria, as she was in Iraq and Libya.

As a socialist, I would never in a million years have voted for someone with Mr Trumps ideas on running the economy, but the very real threat of a world war over a discredited ideology like illegal regime change should make even the most blinkered ideologues of Mudcat pause for thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: mkebenn
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 08:42 AM

I totally disagree with your "biggest problem" premise. If we don't start taking climate change as our foremost concern, all the rest of humanity's bullshit will be meaningless. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 09:05 AM

"If we don't start taking climate change as our foremost concern, all the rest of humanity's bullshit will be meaningless. Mike"

I quite agree with that.
Perhaps the most dangerous thing about Trump is that he's a climate change denier and lies about it to boot.
From the Huffington Post

Be sure to scroll down and read his tweets.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 09:46 AM

We crush Islamic Fundamentalism bu supporting "illegal regime change" in the form the Arab Spring protests took.
The U.N. was made impotent by the Russian/Chinese veto and the fact that the West continue to support "legal" regimes such as Assad and the Saudis have meant that the protesters turned to Isis to fill the gap was both inevitable and predictable.
The terms "legal" and "illegal" are totally irrelevant in States like Syria and Saudi Arabia, given the leader they have got.
Britain voted not to become militarily involved in this conflict, not we are up to our arses in it - on the same side as the despots.
We are feeding future fundamentalism
Surely there is a lesson to be learned there?
I suspect that, given the West's overall attitude to Climate Change, it seems more than a little daft to point the finger at Trump and ignore what has gone before - stable doors and bolting horses, and all that!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:05 AM

but the very real threat of a world war

Oh, PLEASE Ake! Get over your monomaniacal anti-Clinton delusions.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:08 AM

By the deficits we may know the talents, by the exceptions we may know the rules, by studying illness we may model good health, by watching the psychopathy we can build mental health , by summing up the fear, lies, hatred, all things deemed failures and disasters we can bring goodness into focus, by the disposable relationships we know true friendships, by what comes out of a person we know what goes in.

By the length of a run on sentence we may know the vehemence.




(A Few of my Worst Things by Donuel.)

Ego and self worth and need for attention
LOVE TO CAUSE ANGUISH with evil intention
Grandiose sense of self worth here on Earth
These are a few things that're worst of the worst

When abuse stings, when a lie clings, when the creep wants more
Donald feels good like he knew that he would
Because psychopath Trump is bored.


Callous and shallow with gold plated showers
feeding his gross whims and snorting for hours
Pretending he's smarter and better than you
With him as your boss you would rather have flu.

When abuse stings, when a lie clings, when the creep wants more
Donald feels good like he knew that he would
Because psychopath Trump is bored.


abridged

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:12 AM

Perhaps the most dangerous thing about Trump

Trump is not dangerous - he's an ignorant narcissistic buffoon.

His followers and supporters are dangerous - and numerous.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:21 AM

"Climate change" is another bye product of "wealth creation" another symptom of both private and state capitalism.

if we want to halt and perhaps reverse climate change, we must stop the search for ever increasing living standards and personal financial aspiration
Real socialism contains the answers to all these problems, but is it already too late?

Neither Mr Trump or Mrs Clinton will have any effect on the rate of climate change......it is long since out of their hands

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:25 AM

Useful idiots are not a danger by themselves but with Bannon fascists and Russian mobsters by Trumps side the danger/corruption intensifies.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: gillymor
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:26 AM

Jim: "...it seems more than a little daft to point the finger at Trump and ignore what has gone before - stable doors and bolting horses, and all that!!"

Who was doing that? What would be daft, given the preponderance of evidence, would to be to elect a president who would ignore global warming and even go as far as to resurrect the coal industry. This is just one item on a long list of issues that disqualify the orange buffoon from becoming POTUS but, to me, it's the most important.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:36 AM

Jim, the vote in the UK parliament was to bomb the Syrian govt into submission and remove their president.

If that had happened Syria would now be Libya, Russia and America would possibly be at war. Isis would control the whole of Syria, Iraq and Libya.

We should be in unison with Russia in crushing IF wherever it rears its ugly head.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 10:59 AM

"If that had happened Syria would now be Libya, Russia and America "
Assad was at the height of massacring his own people
It would have been an act of humanity to stop him doing so.
To suggest that the Arab Spring would only bring changes for the worse is to condemn those living under the regime we count as our friends (Assad included) to eternal oppression.
Had we coupled active support for Arab Spring with the winning of the hears and minds of the people, Isis would have remained a weird isolated sect - instead, we chose to pursue our own interests and sell weapons and equipment to the oppressive regimes - that is why the protests turned sour - Isis was the result.
Even after his own establishment men fled from Syria and begged Britain to exert economic and political pressure on Assad, Britain turned a deaf-ear and did s.f.a. - he still owns untouched millions worth of property in London.
If we continue supporting these monsters, we'll be bringing our grandchildren home in body-bags.
Defeating Isis is totally useless without a back-up plan.
"we must stop the search for ever increasing living standards and personal financial aspiration"
Nothing to do with an economic system based on profiteering from the Planet's natural resources, of course.
All the fault of Joe Public.
My, my, my - you really are an establishment 'cap-doffer' aren't you?
The planet is being raped for profit by big business - not by the man in the street.
No system of ecological change will ever be adopted while it is profitable to exploit nature - from the use of wing and sea power to the everlasting light bulb.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 11:30 AM

"Wind and sea power" of course - bloody keyboard
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 11:31 AM

Jim, is it possible to at least TRY to stick to the subject, and not take off like dog after a bitch in heat when Ake merely shows up in a thread?

We have enough "wrecking crew" Brit-centered thread fuck-fests here without subverting discussion about America's most prominent sociopath.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: mkebenn
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 11:44 AM

Developing alternate fuel, solar wind geothermal heat will make carbon based fuel sources less profitable and therefore limited. Natural gas is proof of that, witness the decrease of oil prices. Fracking, however, is not a viable solution, anymore than atomic power for obvious reasons. We can't go back, we must find ways to sustain ourselves without poisoning ourselves at the same time. Even Greg's cockroaches should understand that. Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 11:47 AM

A few of the worst things


Ego and self worth and need for attention
LOVE TO CAUSE ANGUISH with evil intention
Grandiose sense of self worth here on Earth
These are a few things that're worse than the worst

Callous and shallow with gold plated showers
Feeding his gross whims and snorting for hours
Pretending he's smarter and better than you
With him as your boss you would rather have flu


When abuse stings, when a lie clings, when the creep wants more
Donald feels good like he knew that he would
Because psychopath Trump, is bored.


Muslims are ALL bad but I'm not a racist
Global warming is fake shit Latinos are rapists
Pussy's expensive and women are whores
These are Trump favorites he loves to adore

The faithful are suckers and so are the red necks
Republican ******* did not give me respect.
When the big election , finally came in,
"I told you its rigged" but the Trump did not win.


When abuse stings, when a lie clings, when the creep lies more
Donald feels good he did not feel the blow
Because psychopath Trump , has a show.

end

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 12:57 PM

There is no reason believe anything Trump says. He could block any USA involvement in Syria, or he could launch a nuclear war. There's no way of predicting what he'd do.

I share aken's apprehension about the possibility of President Clinton and Syria, and agree with him in seeing the Assad-must-go line as wrongheaded, and playing into the hands of Isis and it's fellow jihadists who are the most effective fighting force among the rebels.

The only sane position is to push for an end to fighting, with free and open elections. If people were to choose to vote for Assad or for Assadists, that is down to them. If the jihadists were to pull out from Aleppo (about 9,000 strong) and go to Isis controlled territory an effective ceasefire could probably be arrived at, leading to elections. The trouble is, they won't, and the other rebels aren't strong enough to compel them, even if they wish.

But this is a very unstable situation - there is every prospect that by the time Clinton were to become President in January things may have dramatically changed. Clinton in the White House is indeed a worrying thought in some ways. But the thought of having Trump in the White House is completely terrifying.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump again
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 08:17 PM

He still has riches of embarrassments to come
as well as an embarrassment of riches.