BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......

Subject: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 12:42 PM

then give them to me - I'll spend them!!!

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From: Rumncoke
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 01:53 PM

There was someone on the radio who'd got the actual amount of tallow, and multiplied it by the number of notes the Bank expects to issue. The total amount of tallow involved is less than one cow's worth.

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 01:56 PM

I am definitely undecided about this one. If Hindu temples decide they don't want to be polluted by them, that is one thing: it is a group of people agreeing amongst themselves a convention that harms no one. But vegan restaurants are not like that. There are laws - correctly in my view - that do not allow you to refuse a service because of your beliefs and this seems very similar to me. I do not have to be a vegan to enjoy vegan food and eat in a vegan restaurant. If they refuse me entry because of the shoes I am wearing or because I only have the offending five pound notes it gets very close to the other cases in my opinion.

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From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 02:29 PM

Shades of the Sepoy Mutiny of 1857!

What's old is new again.......

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From: Donuel
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 02:47 PM

Some vegans feel good about themselves for eating vegetarian pizza.
All corporate chain pizza concerns use beef lard to make the dough...about a thousand times more tallow than in a million fivers.

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 03:23 PM

I want more meat in my fivers..
these new one's taste even blander than Tesco economy sausages... 😋

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From: Pete from seven stars link
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 03:26 PM

Presumably the restaurant wants to take the cash before serving , otherwise you might get to eat for free if you only offer them new fivers .

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 03:34 PM

I would have thought that the old-type banknotes have more grease, fat and human sweat on them from years of circulation. The tiny polymer balls that make the new notes have only minuscule amounts of tallow on their surface. Any objects which are touched by hundreds of people will have traces of almost any substance imaginable. I think it's attention-seeking and a bit silly. Sorry.

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From: Iains
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 03:48 PM

The list includes the dates that each country first issued their meat-laced currency.

    Australia - First issued 1988
    Brunei - First issued 1996
    Canada - First issued 2011
    Chile - First issued 2004
    Costa Rica - First issued 2011
    Dominican Republic - First issued 2010
    Guatemala - First issued 2007
    Honduras - First issued 2010
    Hong Kong - First issued 2007
    Malaysia - First issued 1998
    Mauritania - First issued 2014
    Mauritius - First issued 2013
    Mexico - First issued 2002
    Mozambique - First issued 2011
    New Zealand - First issued 1999
    Nicaragua - First issued 2009
    Nigeria - First issued 2007
    Papua New Guinea - First issued 1991
    Paraguay - First issued 2009
    Romania - First issued 1999
    Singapore - First issued 1991
    United Kingdom - First issued 2016
    Vanuatu - First issued 2010
    Vietnam - First issued 2001

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 04:28 PM

Well I hate to be po-faced about this, but I think making the notes with tallow was a wrong thing to do. If it was done deliberately, it was a disrespectful move bordering on the imperialistic. I've signed the petition.

Apart from that, the notes are crap!

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 04:40 PM

The notes are dreadful because they don't fold properly.

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From: Iains
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 04:41 PM

I think if vegans avoided all the other items that contain tallow they would be in for a sad time. Paint, soap, plastics, and getting about could be a bit of a problem, even sandals are made of leather or plastic.

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 04:58 PM

I presume it was deliberate in the sense of placing the contracts but not a deliberate attempt to upset any group of people. Changing it is likely to be costly because lots of security assessments and so on will have to be repeated. So the decision was a bit stupid (cf the Sepoy Mutiny referred to above) but is that enough to justify changing it?

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 05:03 PM

Doesn't make it right. And the bloody things slip and slide everywhere and won't fold. And you can rub out the Queen's head with a rubber. Crap.

Mind you, if you can rub out Churchill and the Queen's head...🤔

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From: Donuel
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 05:19 PM

Does Steve have fetish sex with fivers ?

To you rubbers are erasers but to Americans...

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 05:45 PM

Erasers, Donuel, erasers. I'm past the other stuff!

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From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 05:46 PM

Carnivorous fivers?

"Well, Joey," my mother said to me, "there are some things you just weren't born to understand..."

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 05:48 PM

I find them too 'perky' and difficult to stuff in my purse. They definitely don't fold. Apparently they intend to issue similar in other denominations too.
I understand they 'didn't realise' the notes have traces of tallow, but it will cost a lot to change them. Someone's head will roll.

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From: DMcG
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 05:52 PM

And explanation

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From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 06:05 PM

Thanks, Dave. I wondered what I was missing out on...

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 06:29 PM

Do you think that if the Bank of England refuses to withdraw the note we should suet?

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: bobad
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 06:39 PM

Who the hell uses bills and coins anymore anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 06:45 PM

Well bobad, I just got out some fivers for the postman, binmen and window-cleaner's Christmas boxes. I put the note in a card for each of them. I'd like it to be £10, but can't quite afford that. And I use cash at our village shop; they don't accept bank cards. Neither do Western Union when you make a money transfer at one of their branches; they insist on cash only.

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From: bobad
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 07:17 PM

I will admit to, once a year, withdrawing some bills for the newspaper carrier at Christmas. I also keep some coins in the car to feed the parking meters when I venture into the city. Other than that it's pretty much debit card all the way.

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Dec 16 - 08:52 PM

Seems the Scottish ones have less tallow but still aren't quite free of it.

There are a lot of Hindu shopkeepers in the UK, who won't have any choice about what notes to take. These notes will give many of them the creeps.

This is not the first fuckup the Mint has perpetrated in recent years. Recent small coins like the 5p contain dangerously allergenic amounts of nickel - nickel allergy is common, progressive and serious. The UK introduced those coins at about the same time as Sweden was reviewing all its coinage to deal with the allergy issue. There was no excuse for the Mint then and there isn't now.

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 03:07 AM

Agreed.

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From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 03:55 AM

"If vegans don't want £5 notes......." - let them eat cake.
Jim Carroll

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From: Thompson
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 04:56 AM

That's why the euro coins use Nordic Gold rather than nickel - when the currency was decided on, the EU scientists involved said that since nickel allergy is common, they shouldn't use nickel.

By the same token, there's nickel in a lot of replacement knees, shoulders and hips. A friend of mine was getting a knee replacement, and I knew that she and a couple of others in her extended family had to wear gold watches and jewellery, because any trace of nickel would bring them out in rashes.

I bullied her relentlessly to ask for allergy tests before getting the replacement, and the tests came up strong for nickel allergy, so she got a titanium knee (and later a second one the same). I think I probably saved her life.

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 05:39 AM

Stop this bickering. It's probably horse tallow anyway. All 0.7mG.

And what about the cocaine (or is it heroine) that is found on 1 in 5 bank notes (in the UK!)? Not to mention all that shit* that coins accumulate. Some of which might be from handling raw meat.

Time was when butchers had a person handling money who didn't handle meat. More to do with avoiding contaminating the produce.

* other detritus available.

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Senoufou
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 06:10 AM

I used to do voluntary work in a WRVS shop at the big hospital in our area. I worked on the till for one shift, and another day I would push the newspaper/sweets trolley round the wards. My hands after this caper were absolutely filthy from touching the notes and coinage. Black and greasy. I used to take with me a cloth steeped in disinfectant to wipe them periodically.
Imagine the fluids and substances from sick patients getting on to these notes... I don't think a minuscule trace of tallow is the problem...

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From: Iains
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 06:24 AM

This controversy will probably be used as an excuse to ban all cash.
Much easier to rob the citizenry when all transactions are electronic.

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From: bobad
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 06:32 AM

It's impossible, really, to avoid coming into contact with animal products today: Everything but the Mooo

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 06:55 AM

Well naturally all manner of crap gets on to notes and coins in circulation. And that's what we all have to live with if we want to commune with fellow humans. And where did I read that 60% of Morrisons supermarket trolleys have got human shite on the handles. But deliberately making a note with animal fat IN it, as opposed to the muck that inveitably gets ON it, is not the same thing, folks.

Now a very peculiar thing happened just now. I'm sitting in the hospital car park in Barnstaple. A few minutes ago I interrupted typing this post to go and pay the car park machine. As I got out of the car, there on the ground was a 1967 USSR one rouble coin, Lenin on the back, commemorating the 50th anniversary of the Revolution. It's in good nick too. I've just cleaned it up with a spec wipe. What am I bid! 😂

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From: Senoufou
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 07:40 AM

Hahaha Steve! It's a sign from Above. (Not sure what it's trying to tell you though...)

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From: robomatic
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 11:17 AM

Do not watch this while eating at a diner

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From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 12:18 PM

Don't put money in your mouth. You never know where it's been.

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From: Senoufou
Date: 05 Dec 16 - 02:47 PM

Haha keberoxu! You never know where your mouth's been??? :)

Today I 'did' the Christmas Boxes for the postie etc and because of this thread I had a good look at the new notes. They're quite smart and shiny, but I don't much like the transparent bit. My husband thinks they're very nice, but 'Ah hae ma doots'. And they're so springy they seem to jump out of my purse when I open it. Mind you, most money seems to vanish quite quickly from my purse. Could it be the number of crumpets and large packets of cheese I keep buying at our village shop?

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From: Jack Campin
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 05:27 AM

One of the Scottish fivers features Nan Shepherd. Nice to see someone celebrated that way who actually deserved it.

I am going to experiment with melting Churchill's eyes out with a hot needle.

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 05:40 AM

Try a rubber, Jack. It's a safe method. This is not sexual advice.

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From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 08:34 AM

Perhaps mudcat folkies would prefer fivers made out of sheets of wood..

.. maybe a 3mm thick maple, cedar, or spruce..

But then, i guess you'd all be arguing over whether it should be solid of laminate....

Then some green activists would raise the issue of sustainable forests & global warming..

and that'd set off the reactionary PC gone mad nutters....

So maybe after all we're better of with meaty plastic... 😎




Btw... could the royal mint do a special edition turkey flavour for xmas...????

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 09:22 AM

There's a thought punkfolkrocker. Mudcat ideas for currency not involving tallow-contaminated notes. Tiny bronze, silver and gold models of bodhrans? Steve might like those...

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 09:59 AM

"Don't put money in your mouth. You never know where it's been."

If you put a new fiver in your mouth whilst talking to someone and they did the same, would that be chewing the fat?

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From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 10:25 AM

If the new fivers only had as much chewy gristle as the now long gone legendary Bowyers Steak and Kidney Pies... 😋

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From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Dec 16 - 03:49 PM

Never mind.
Next year everyone can moan about the new twelve-edged pound coins. And they reckon that once those are issued the round ones will remain in common circulation for only 6 months: Royal Mint

Cheers
Nigel

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From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Dec 16 - 02:57 AM

They look rather smart Nigel.

We have a system whereby any of those £2 coins that arrive in our purse/pocket are for charity. So when we get one, we choose which charity tin to contribute to, and pop it in. Or it might be a beggar in Norwich, or a street musician. But not so long ago we had to laugh. There are two very young lassies in the centre of Norwich who put up an amplifier and mike, and 'sing' every blooming Saturday. Maybe they imagine they're on X Factor, but honestly they're absolutely terrible. I mean, eye-wateringly dreadful. We had a £2 but couldn't find any charity tin or beggar anywhere, so my husband grinned and nodded towards the girls howling away. He put the coin in their pot, and they looked astonished. I think we were the absolute first who had ever given them a coin. I hope it didn't encourage them too much...

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Dec 16 - 05:50 AM

And just when did copper coins become magnetic?

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 16 - 06:14 AM

You make me feel guilty, Senoufou. We put all our £2 coins in a tin and use 'em towards our holidays...😟

Subject: RE: BS: If vegans don't want £5 notes.......
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 16 - 06:20 AM

They're magnetic because they're steel in the middle. Most "copper" coins struck since 1992 are steel coated with copper. The most recent "silver" coins are steel coated with nickel. Coppers older than 1993, and some 2ps struck in 1998, won't be magnetic, as won't silver older than about 2011.

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From: Senoufou
Date: 07 Dec 16 - 06:45 AM

Steve, you know those Warner holidays which are 'child-free'? I wonder if you and Mrs Shaw choose 'bodhran-free holidays? :)

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From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 16 - 08:03 AM

Ha. Someone bought me a Warner holiday for my 60th. We were the youngest there by about fifteen years. On our first night we went down for dinner at 7.30. There was nothing left and most people had already gone to bed! 😂😂😂