BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:40 AM

No, Al. The office is worthy of respect. Trump isn't. And when you say "the yanks", I'm assuming you know more of them than I do, because the ones at Mudcat (where British people talk about American politics) don't fit your statement, and many of the ones NOT on Mudcat and who voted for the other candidate don't either.

I suspect, like pretty much all of us, it can be easy to form opinions based on what some talking head on the TV concludes and spreads. If you only watch Fox, you get a very different picture than if you watch MSNBC or NPR, and if you get your news from some other source who uses one or more of those channels as their source, who knows. If you get it from the internet, you only get information from sources you choose to click on, and you won't get anything that challenges your beliefs.

Just saying don't trust any one source, and question what your opinions are based on.

Watch Live: House hearing on Russia's involvement in the 2016 election (on NPR)

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:54 AM

The office is worthy of respect.

I've never been quite sure how that is supposed to work out as a practical matter particularly when, as now, the incumbent is a piece of dirt.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 11:06 AM

Americans' reverence for the office didn't save Nixon, whose criminal activities were far less overt than Twit's have been throughout his public life, in fact, it's likely their respect for that office hastened his downfall.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 11:15 AM

The "piece of dirt" is filling a position he shouldn't be in. Not too hard for me to figure that out.

I was active duty military for a long time. The President is Commander in Chief, and ... let's just say if I were in now, I'd probably end up being Court Martialed. Hard enough with GWB, but the stupid people who thought he'd be a good President maybe didn't think that the western version of the insane Kim Jong-un was going to be able to order their children to go die and kill other people's children for insulting him.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 12:56 PM

we'll have to see, i suppose. its just a feeling i've got about the situation.

i seem to remember people saying about Reagan - how can a person so old and confused be the president?

then bush - how can someone so ignorant be the president?

they not only were the president. they got re-elected.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 03:06 PM

[Reagan] How can a person so old and confused be the president?...
then bush - how can someone so ignorant be the president?


Easy peasy! - uneducated, ignorant, unable to discern fact from fiction electorate.

Then as now.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:00 PM

uneducated, ignorant, unable to discern fact from fiction

Which is where the opening post came in! :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:33 PM

Trump is a boring old fart

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Stanron
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:10 PM

Good Soldier Schweik wrote: Trump is a boring old fart

Best judgement so far.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:46 PM

Boring he is not. He is known for being profane and hyper excited over minor incidents.

Donald threw a tantrum on Air Force that caused Secret Service to draw their guns. Donald had banned Mexican food on Air Force One that put a crimp on the Planes menu. Twice he had steak for lunch and then once again the choice was fish or steak during his flight to Wisconsin.

He complained and was told that steak was replacing enchiladas and he blew up feeling he was being blamed. He shouted " I am tired of these motherfuckin steaks on this motherfuckin plane!"
Secret service thought they heard the word snakes and drew their guns... ;^)

since then people say he is a lot like Jackson, Samuel Jackson.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 03:17 AM

Just after the President was elected, one of our foremost "liberals" suggested that "We just drive him out of his mind"....By this the "liberal" meant that every obstruction possible including disruption of the political system through obstructive campaigns like flooding the postal services with junk mail...this before the President had a chance to put any of the policies that he had promised the electorate into place.

This sort of action makes a mockery of the democratic process
and the sore losers who practice it are a disgrace.

For once in my lifetime an elected leader is trying to implement the policies on which he was elected and he is greeted with derision by a small but powerful "elite" backed by a corrupt and biased media.
Sometimes I wonder if any members of this "elite" like most of the people who post here, know or care a fig about the millions who for one millisecond, have found a voice, a conduit in President Donal-
John.
This same "elite" that can be observed foaming at the mouth in numerous threads here, have no respect for their fellow countrymen, they openly insult their intelligence, they look down on their lack of "liberalism" or academic ability, they hate their brothers and sisters for daring to reject their ideology of myth, an ideology which has sapped the strength from a once great nation and left in its stead a whining, childish cabal refusing to accept responsibility even for the loss of a completely legal democratic election.

I used to have the idea that the American people could be the saviours of humanity, what I supposed to be their endless optimism, their belief in democracy, their respect for high political office has proved to have been a sham.....they are simply just like us, spoiled children raised in a time when no sacrifices were required provided we were enrolled into the academic elite and born on the right side of the tracks.....manual labour has become a dirty joke, a sign of mental deficiency, but don't forget what happened the last time the tumbril wheels rumbled, the "elite" political and social should keep an ear to the ground.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 03:39 AM

I think a village somewhere is missing its idiot...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 04:07 AM

Say what you will, at least Reagan had Nancy to compare notes with.
And wasn't Dubya's wife a Democrat?

With Melania in NY, all Twitler has is Putin.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 05:52 AM

TED talk: Who would the rest of the world vote for in your country's elections
An interesting set of results. (DJT in third place!). And it doesn't hint at any Russian votes finding their way in! Give it time.........

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 10:23 AM

every obstruction possible including disruption of the political system through obstructive campaigns

Rather like what the Republicans did to Obama every minute of his presidency, Ake?

Does anyone know of a village that is actively recruiting for an idiot? We might be able to help them find one.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 11:08 AM

It is the job of a political opposition to hold the Government to account, disruptive campaigns by sore losers is a different matter altogether.

Whether or not you volunteer your services for the post in question is entirely up to you Greg......but try to avoid the California or New York areas.....too much competition. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 11:45 AM

We are truly living in a time of ferment. And fermentation often does not smell good. Trump has been accurately identified as a BS artist. I've thought so since well before his election. Fareed Zakariah on his GPS show made the exact same observations as I had using the philosophical paper published by Frankfurt: "On Bullshit". One of the most explicable points being made that the bullshitter has a more flexible relationship with "truth' than the liar.
My concerns with our situation go far beyond the mere office of the Presidency. For many years now the Republicans have had a flexible relationship with external reality. I remember two elections ago during a Republican primary debate when the moderator asked them how many believed in Creationism and all of them raised their hands. Whether or not that was a gesture of genuine belief or more likely a kowtowing to their bases, it was to me a genuinely scary sign of the state of our country.
It IS a sign, however, that we are democratically sourcing the rather pitiful assemblage of Republican deplorables who are doing their best to turn the clock of progress back on itself.
Meanwhile, Russia's effort at democracy is foundering badly in nationalism and violence, both inwardly and outwardly. It is entirely appropriate to identify the extent of Putin's reach across the globe. A lot of it is simply vicious and damaging, as if he is simply trying to see how big a bastard he can be.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 12:29 PM

disruptive campaigns by sore losers is a different matter altogethe

Suggest you take that up with the Republicans in the House and Senate from 2008 through 2016 Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 12:43 PM

"It is the job of a political opposition to hold the Government to account,"
It would appear that, thanks to the opposition of his own party to his health programme, the republicans have taken on that task
Your snide remarks do you no credit Ake
This man has become a menace to his own party.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 01:12 PM

Y"Foaming at the mouth"

Not just "the liberal elite", aken. You can foam with the best yourself...

Those attacking Trump include some shady cold warriors and over privileged characters, but it's pretty well inevitable that when there's a majority consensus against him that will include all sorts. Yes, "majority consensus", even in the States. - remember a lot more people voted against Trump than for him, and opinion polls showing overwhelming opposition to his heallthcare "reform" plan would seem to indicate that a lot of those who voted for him must be feeling they got it wrong by now.

And outside the States about the only other people who seem to admire Trump are. Nigel Farage, Katiie Hopkins. (No, not Putin - I think it can be taken as read that he thoroughly despises Donald Trump, and would class him in that hallowed Kremlin category of "useful idiots")

There's an odd development sometimes in which, when people have been driven to make a choice between two evils, they can seem to drift into changing to cease to recognise as evil the choice they picked on as the lesser evil, and from tolerating it drift into becoming enthused by it. It's a kind of Stockholm syndrome, in which people fall in love with their captors.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 04:58 PM

interestingly the Trump style immigrant ban wouldn't have stopped the westminster terrorist attack - done by an idiot from Kent called Adrian.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 08:00 PM

the job of a political opposition to hold the Government to account, disruptive campaigns by sore losers ....

"sore losers" knows no boundaries, but favours the assertive, the blinkered, the cerebrally deficient and those arguing with anyone and everyone except the one person they can't**. And when the cap fits be sure it doesn't fall over yer eyes PAL!

**usually an ex-boss, ex-spouse or dead parent.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 08:57 PM

Donald threw a tantrum on Air Force that caused Secret Service to draw their guns. Donald had banned Mexican food on Air Force One that put a crimp on the Plane's menu. Twice he had steak for lunch and then once again the choice was fish or steak during his flight to Wisconsin.

He complained and was told that steak was replacing enchiladas and he blew up feeling he was being blamed. He shouted " I am sick of these motherfuckin steaks on this motherfuckin plane!"
Secret service thought they heard the word snakes and drew their guns... ;^)

since then people say he is a lot like Jackson,
Samuel Jackson.


ITS A JOKE AKE

I approve of the aforementioned joke
Donald

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 09:12 PM

trum gains weight
before


after

will his heart make it.

Vegas odds are around 2 years until attack

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 10:25 PM

The job of an opposition is not just "to hold the Government to account". That is part of it. But it also has a duty to do what it can to prevent it doing things which it believes are wrong.

Today it appears that at least for the time being the opposition in the American Congress made up of the official Democratic opposition and also of a sufficient number of Republicans were able to frustrate a central policy of the newly elected President. Not criticise it, or "hold it to account", but blow it out of the water. That's an opposition doing what it's there for.

In the sequel to the Brexit referendum we've had the constant chorus that the job of those who see Brexit as a wrong thing to do should accept it as a done deal, and content ourselves with frittering away at the details. The assumption is that if you lose a vote you should accept it as final - an assumption that runs dead against the fundamental principal of democracy, and of any healthy society, which is that when a continuing disagreement arises both parties are free continue to seek to change the views of the other, but only by peaceful methods.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 03:09 AM

It would be interesting if someone would actually address my point about the "two tier society" which propelled Donald-John to the Presidency and the UK to leave the EU monolith.

Please don't talk about "democracy" Mr McGrath while this issue continues to exist.

I have travelled extensively in inner city areas and many of the housing schemes of central Scotland where the huge gap between the social and political elite who write on these pages and the jobless, hopeless and often criminal underclass is frighteningly apparent.

Is this situation acceptable? Should it be allowed to continue and worsen? Is it time for ideological change?

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 03:45 AM

"It would be interesting if someone would actually address my point about the "two tier society""
Bit of a nerve from someone who refuses to justify his support for this political thug and ignores every piece of erratic and repressive extremist act hi is single-handedly attempting to push through.
Trump has no interest in changing society - only in milking it for his own personal interests and gratification - he is a businessman who is attempting to turn the presidency into a business asset as he did with his CHARITIES
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 07:44 AM

Given Trump's latest Obamacare fiasco, surely it's a matter of time before he is forced to hang up his boots and take a (Golden) shower
How long can this farce continue?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 08:31 AM

Ake you are on the brink of knowing what Kari Mark knew. It is a two tiered society by design. We have a handful of families in the US with as much wealth as all the rest of the people in America. Yes we have built islands of poverty which concentrate the poor by the banks and feel the might of the police, justice system and even the National Guard to control the violence born of oppression. They are our ghettos.
We built them and bypassed them. Yes they are scary. In America they were built for racist reasons. A colony inside a nation.

The poor are still consumers and act like an engine to capitalize the rich. There are newer more profitable engines of wealth that have evolved which use capital itself to create virtual money. Flash trades, hedge, bundled securities etc. These methods create and make nothing except more virtual money for the rich. Still the fundamentals of lying cheating and stealing apply..

Yes a new ideology is needed but for now the rich con man and corporation capture the imagination of the poor which is anathema to their own self interest.

We can dream of a utopia but the need and greed pf a sociopathic wealthy class will spend half their fortune to keep the current system. Still the power of 7 billion people to 20,000 wealthy elite need to compromise. Can we do it without killing ourselves and the Earth?

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 08:47 AM

As I have repeated, once Trump has his own Reichstag fire, all bets are off regarding saving Democracy from the clutches of a Trump like figure from the great violence and loss of life in yet another war to end all wars.

TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. Right now he does not have the credibility to pull it off but he may rush headlong into chaos anyway.

If he does, healthcare will be the least of our problems.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 10:28 AM

the "two tier society" which propelled Donald-John to the Presidency

Um- Ake, your hero Trump is one of the prime architects, supporters, and perpetrators of the "two tier society" which you lament. Ditto his cabinet of billionaire deplorables.

Are you really so thick that you can't see this?

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 11:46 AM

The point about the two-tier society is that when people are excluded and cheated their is always a possibility that their perfectly justifiable anger can be diverted and exploited by demagogues who have objectives completely at variance with their interests.

It's not a new phonemenon, it's happened time and time again. And it's happening now.
The way a democracy can counter this is to always ensure that oeople have the chance to change their minds if they wish to and correct their mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 12:08 PM

Two things to be going on with.....Détente with Russia is preferable to the Cold War mentality offered by Mrs Clinton.
President Trump wishes to put Americans back to work, stop outsourcing jobs through the globalisation con and stop reliance on cheap immigrant workers to bolster the economy.
This reliance is a "double edged sword", as it leaves behind millions of redundant US workers who must be given some means of existence, while denuding other poorer nations of their best brains and strongest arms.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 12:33 PM

Don, I'm afraid I include most of the middle class in the "elite", people who have a temporary stake in the continuance of the status quo. I includes I would presume almost everyone in this forum.

Certainly many times more than the 20,000 you quoted, they are numbered in millions.....didn't you watch them crying on election night with Miss Coulter?

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Stu
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 12:39 PM

"I includes I would presume almost everyone in this forum."

So many presumptions presented with so little fact.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 01:51 PM

I includes I would presume almost everyone in this forum.

Your presumptions are faulty. On everything.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 06:53 PM

I don't need any political lessons from someone who suggests that the most important thing in the election is the gender of the victor.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 08:00 PM

Of course Ake must defend rich man Tump. So what is the final solution for the proletariat and bourgeois? Who is to be punished, Muslims, Democrats, Women, The poor, the near poor??

Even you must know by now the middle class does not exist as an actual socio economic power as they did 30 years ago.

It looks like Flynn needs to lawyer up for conspiracy to kidnap and violate extradition laws. Ex CIA director Woolsey has decided to testify against him.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 17 - 08:10 PM

"I don't need any political lessons from someone who suggests that the most important thing in the election is the gender of the victor."
You'd rather give your support to someone who had been show publicly as describing women as available meat whose pussy can be fondled whenever the man feels he needs to!!
Ah well - diff'rent strokes for diff'rent blokes.
"Miss Coulter?"
Still showing respect for the Darlin' of the Klan!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 02:16 AM

Donuel sez: "Donald threw a tantrum on Air Force that caused Secret Service to draw their guns. Donald had banned Mexican food on Air Force One that put a crimp on the Plane's menu. Twice he had steak for lunch and then once again the choice was fish or steak during his flight to Wisconsin."
-AND-
ITS A JOKE AKE


You know, Donuel, the joke doesn't work. We really need to argue from facts. "Fake news" doesn't work, no matter what side it comes from. Too many people tend to believe it. And they're not to blame, because they're surrounded by falsehood nowadays.

We need to tell people the truth, and only the truth. That's the only way to win people's trust.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Mr Red
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 05:17 AM

Are you really so thick that you can't see this?
Greg F
have you come across the Dunning-Kruger effect? Ably demonstrated by some posters of this parish.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 10:38 AM

Too many people tend to believe [fake news]. And they're not to blame...

They are ABSOLUTELY to blame, Joe, if they choose to believe lies with no factual corroboration and other obvious idiocies. Or are you out to infantilize the entire country?

We need to tell people the truth, and only the truth.

Well, Joe, I think you're taking the wrong person to task on this, considering the posting history of a trio of individuals I could name.

Of course, that's only my opinion - but it's backed up by actual fact.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 10:40 AM

Knew of the phenomenon, but not under that name, Mr. Red. Think you've got it in one.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 11:39 AM

People have always and will always continue to believe unbelievable things.

The phenomena is fascinating and is as used miraculously for profound good as it can be used for evil.

There is a cure. You must learn the habit of running a skepticism scan.
In other words you must hold central to your being a grain of doubt in all things. We can educate modern man to take these precautions. Getting people to accept this mental phenomenon is the hard part. Critical reasoning people always think they are immune and in 75% f situations they might be right.

God save us from the true believer no matter what realm they are from.

Greg do not think punishment will change human perception, wiring or belief. It will change behavior and usually not for the better.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 12:05 PM

Joe you are a steadfast individual. For 15 years you have taken exception to my original jokes, cartoons, satire and experimental humor. I am sure you were expressing complaints from others but I expect you are personally offended by something more central to our being.

I found my joke well crafted with grains of truth sprinkled throughout. On several occasions I have posted jokes heard on the Bill Mahre Show days before it airs. I don't blame you if you find things that are offensive. Maybe I have it all wrong and you are just a neat freak who wants jokes in the joke thread and recipes in the recipe thread.

I have had people tell me I may only tell jokes about things that only happen to me. I tell them life happens to me.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 12:10 PM

Greg do not think punishment will change human perception,

The beatings will continue until morale improves......

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 12:12 PM

Have to agree with Greg about people believing fake news. The root of the problem, IMO, is that people aren't taught to think critically. They don't care to do that, they're not held responsible, and so the fake shit just gets perpetuated. When EVERYTHING becomes "faith-based", it's going to end up being mostly crap. "HE said it, so I believe it" "I read it in 'The Grumpy Conservative', so it must be true" "The National Incontinent" had an article on how green tea leads to heroin addiction. Who knew?!"

People are happy being stupid, "not my problem". Except it is, because they vote. Trump is their fault, Congress and the Senate are their fault, and I won't be an apologist for ANY of them - especially not the grass-roots idiots who made it all possible. I think that may include people who say "it's not their fault". Although all I can do about it is argue, bitch, and... vote.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: bobad
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 01:05 PM

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Kremlin threatens to leak everything on Obama admin if leaks continue from DC. The rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper

Also, I would like to say that if the practice of leaking information that concerns not only the United States but also Russia, which has become a tradition in Washington in the past few years continues, there will come a day when the media will publish leaks about the things Washington asked us to keep secret, for example, things that happened during President Obama's terms in office. Believe me, this could be very interesting information.

Our American colleagues must decide if they respect the diplomatic procedure, if they keep their word on the arrangements made between us, primarily arrangements made at their own request, or we create a very few nice surprises for each other.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 01:21 PM

Thanks, Boo, for a great example of fake news from Twatter.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Mar 17 - 01:59 PM

good catch bobad. The info war continues.

Jeri, What I have been saying is that even critical thinking is not enough. Roughly 20% of critical thinkers can be compromised by a few mental tricks that include repetition, Neural pathway construction in the brain and altered self perception. It does not have to include believing something they should not, it can be simply ignoring or forgetting something. When I say hypnosis you think what that means to you but it means something very different to me from 50,000 hours of observation.

I am still discovering things I have believed for a lifetime are actually wrong.
I thought E Pluribus Unum meant one of many. There are lots pf humorous examples of this. Not everyone has this humility to seek or find that we are wrong on fundamental things.

To come to a belief we must have it ingrained in such a way that we may also exceed or release ourselves from that belief. It is hard to do regarding things we are "sure of".

That one thinks it is impossible to forget the number seven or color blue reinforces the ability to selectively forget them in the short run. To change a perception in the long run is basically a repetition game.

It is normal to believe critical thinking will protect you from a false POV. Just like it is normal to forget 7 if hypnotized to do so.

Truth changes/evolves/grows like a living thing but lies are often static.