BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: bobad
Date: 30 Mar 17 - 07:31 PM

Getting interesting:

According to a report in The Wall Street Journal, Mike Flynn, the former national security adviser for President Donald Trump, has informed the FBI and the House and Senate intelligence committees that he is willing to be interviewed in exchange for immunity from prosecution. Flynn was privvy to information about foreign policy deliberations and was involved in the discussions around possibly lifting Russian sanctions imposed by the Obama administration. Flynn was forced to resign after acknowledging he misled White House officials including Vice President Mike Pence about the topic of his phone conversations with the Russian ambassador during the transition period.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Mar 17 - 08:43 PM

But were the leaks put out by Wikileaks about the DNC false in any way, or just inconvenient? Can there be any doubt that the DNC very much preferred Clinton to Sanders, and did what it could to get the primary results that helped ensure Clinton was the candidate?

So far as I have read, the distortions and spinning, and the fabrications were very much home produced. The Russians may have supplied some of the tinder, but it was Americans who piled it high round Clinton and set it ablaze. I've seen no indications that material eminating from allegedly Russian hackers was forged

Perhaps the biggest single and most crucial bit of fake news was the con pulled by the FBI ten days before the election, when they issued a scare story about "freshly available" Clinton emails, with an implication that they wre horrendously incriminating - when in fact they do not appear to have been either freshly available nor incriminating. And neither the Russians nor Wikileaks (hardly the same thing) had anything whatsoever to do with that - and arguably it put Trump in the White House.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 03:37 AM

Nothing to add to my last post. We'll see how these various investigations go.

I suppose Flynn has changed his chant to "Please Don't Lock Me Up!"

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 06:00 AM

Its Friday and this was the day to let all hell break out with testimony from the former acting attorney General and naming up to 19 Americans who are linked to Russian hack attacks. The hack attack is effecting virtually all Washington politicians. Too bad the White House told Congress to disinvite the former AG, so she will not be heard. The truth is so hyperbolic now it is embarrassing to write about this lack hack Friday. Everything is so balled up that people under investigation are being leaked internal FBI reports including the President.

How brazen is the hacking? I have seen C-Span hacked by Russia on live TV.


Flynn is facing many charges including conspiracy to omit kidnapping so he wants some immunity. He may not get any. He pissed off a former CIA director Woolsey by trying to involve him. Some say he was a lobbyist to Turkey but the legal name for it is SA. He registered as a secret agent for Turkey just recently


McGrath , the FBI in general was angry with Clinton and Sanders over the peril law officers felt being placed in peril by perceived Democratic policy. many agents were for the law and order candidate Trump
Comey was walking an internal tightrope.

Did Comey get played? sure But he relies on the rule of the law in extraordinary situations in the past and will again.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 06:06 AM

"Its Black Hack Friday.
Its like listening to the WATERGATE tapes live.

Trump is still alive and supporting Putin."

Donald 'Hackman"

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: bobad
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 12:19 PM

"When you are given immunity, that means that you have probably committed a crime." – Michael Flynn on Hillary Clinton in September.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 01:30 PM

Now give Flynn a break - he was convinced that Hillary was running a child pornography ring out of a pizza parlor.

And the rest of Twitler's cabinet/advisors are even less bright.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 04:45 PM

If Trump gets impeached and removed from office, will President Pence be a significant improvement?

Wouldn't he be likely to have a tame and loyal Congess helping put through legislation which would be essentially the same as Trump, but without stirring up the same degree of opposition and resistance?

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Mar 17 - 06:37 PM

will President Pence be a significant improvement?


No.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Hrothgar
Date: 01 Apr 17 - 06:43 AM

From a mildly educated foreign point of view, it is all very interesting.

As far as I can see, Flynn's evidence might be critical to any action against Trump.

If the committees in the US Congress are similar to Australia's, the Republicans will have a majority on the House Intelligence Committee because they have a majority in the House.

If they refuse to grant Flynn an immunity against prosecution, he will "take the Fifth" (I think that is the quaint American expression) and refuse to answer any questions (including what his name is). This might shoot the whole inquiry down in flames. However, if enough Republicans dislike Trump, they might vote with the opposition and give him immunity.

This will be further confused if the opposition Democrats decide they want Flynn's scalp and refuse to give him immunity.

Whatever happens with Flynn, if the inquiry does come up with enough to impeach Trump, the impeachment still has to be voted on, and needs quite a few Republicans to vote against a Republican President to succeed.

... and then, you have President Pence.

Best of luck, fellers ...

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: meself
Date: 01 Apr 17 - 10:31 AM

Flynn seems to be playing some kind of game. From what I gather, the usual approach is to negotiate immunity behind closed doors: "here's what I can give you if you give me immunity - deal?" He's putting on a show for somebody, or making a public threat, or something ....

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Apr 17 - 10:55 AM

Most likely "or something".

Flynn is a conspiracy theory fanatic and all-around lunatic, with a tenuous grasp on reality.


Rather like Twitler, his cabinet & advisors...

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Apr 17 - 09:16 AM

Trumpovski!

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: bobad
Date: 02 Apr 17 - 09:21 AM

Trumputin.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Apr 17 - 10:35 AM

In prior financial disclosures Flynn failed to include payments from Russia to spread fake stories from Russian intelligence. He has since amended his financial statements.

Flynn was bought off cheap. $45,000 for a speech in Russia praising Putin.
Also 5 figure payments for services he performed while in America. Manifort (ran Trump Campaign) got 10 million a year from Russia for at least 3 years.

This is only what is proven and admitted so far.

Was Trump himself paid? We have not proven that yet. However there is a ton of circumstantial evidence. We believe we know how he was paid.
We believe he was paid by being the leading figure in a consortium to invest in buying 19% of the only Russian Oil Company which would open 63 million sq. miles of drilling rights to Exxon - only if sanctions re dropped ginst Russia..

In comparison Exxon has the oil drilling rights in the USA of 14 million miles.

Trump is an opportunist who will take money from anyone. Russian oligarchs are a mixture of crime bosses, oil company, money laundering organizations and government officials. We know Donald has a huge debt to known money laundering Banks in Germany and Cyprus.

A tax return may be a short cut to prosecution for Donald but there are other ways.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 11:45 AM

Bannon ousted from National Security Council.

Perhaps a result from Gen. McMaster's insistence

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 12:54 PM

It looks like the Turkish government paid Flynn ten times as much as the Russians, and didn't get much for it:

Proposal to snatch Gülen

Erdoğan was probably too stupid to research the market rate in American officials properly.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Apr 17 - 04:15 PM

Traitors are scum at any price. Whistle blowers pay for their integrity.