BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 12:29 PM

disruptive campaigns by sore losers is a different matter altogethe

Suggest you take that up with the Republicans in the House and Senate from 2008 through 2016 Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 11:45 AM

We are truly living in a time of ferment. And fermentation often does not smell good. Trump has been accurately identified as a BS artist. I've thought so since well before his election. Fareed Zakariah on his GPS show made the exact same observations as I had using the philosophical paper published by Frankfurt: "On Bullshit". One of the most explicable points being made that the bullshitter has a more flexible relationship with "truth' than the liar.
My concerns with our situation go far beyond the mere office of the Presidency. For many years now the Republicans have had a flexible relationship with external reality. I remember two elections ago during a Republican primary debate when the moderator asked them how many believed in Creationism and all of them raised their hands. Whether or not that was a gesture of genuine belief or more likely a kowtowing to their bases, it was to me a genuinely scary sign of the state of our country.
It IS a sign, however, that we are democratically sourcing the rather pitiful assemblage of Republican deplorables who are doing their best to turn the clock of progress back on itself.
Meanwhile, Russia's effort at democracy is foundering badly in nationalism and violence, both inwardly and outwardly. It is entirely appropriate to identify the extent of Putin's reach across the globe. A lot of it is simply vicious and damaging, as if he is simply trying to see how big a bastard he can be.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 11:08 AM

It is the job of a political opposition to hold the Government to account, disruptive campaigns by sore losers is a different matter altogether.

Whether or not you volunteer your services for the post in question is entirely up to you Greg......but try to avoid the California or New York areas.....too much competition. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 10:23 AM

every obstruction possible including disruption of the political system through obstructive campaigns

Rather like what the Republicans did to Obama every minute of his presidency, Ake?

Does anyone know of a village that is actively recruiting for an idiot? We might be able to help them find one.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 05:52 AM

TED talk: Who would the rest of the world vote for in your country's elections
An interesting set of results. (DJT in third place!). And it doesn't hint at any Russian votes finding their way in! Give it time.........

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 04:07 AM

Say what you will, at least Reagan had Nancy to compare notes with.
And wasn't Dubya's wife a Democrat?

With Melania in NY, all Twitler has is Putin.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 03:39 AM

I think a village somewhere is missing its idiot...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Mar 17 - 03:17 AM

Just after the President was elected, one of our foremost "liberals" suggested that "We just drive him out of his mind"....By this the "liberal" meant that every obstruction possible including disruption of the political system through obstructive campaigns like flooding the postal services with junk mail...this before the President had a chance to put any of the policies that he had promised the electorate into place.

This sort of action makes a mockery of the democratic process
and the sore losers who practice it are a disgrace.

For once in my lifetime an elected leader is trying to implement the policies on which he was elected and he is greeted with derision by a small but powerful "elite" backed by a corrupt and biased media.
Sometimes I wonder if any members of this "elite" like most of the people who post here, know or care a fig about the millions who for one millisecond, have found a voice, a conduit in President Donal-
John.
This same "elite" that can be observed foaming at the mouth in numerous threads here, have no respect for their fellow countrymen, they openly insult their intelligence, they look down on their lack of "liberalism" or academic ability, they hate their brothers and sisters for daring to reject their ideology of myth, an ideology which has sapped the strength from a once great nation and left in its stead a whining, childish cabal refusing to accept responsibility even for the loss of a completely legal democratic election.

I used to have the idea that the American people could be the saviours of humanity, what I supposed to be their endless optimism, their belief in democracy, their respect for high political office has proved to have been a sham.....they are simply just like us, spoiled children raised in a time when no sacrifices were required provided we were enrolled into the academic elite and born on the right side of the tracks.....manual labour has become a dirty joke, a sign of mental deficiency, but don't forget what happened the last time the tumbril wheels rumbled, the "elite" political and social should keep an ear to the ground.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:46 PM

Boring he is not. He is known for being profane and hyper excited over minor incidents.

Donald threw a tantrum on Air Force that caused Secret Service to draw their guns. Donald had banned Mexican food on Air Force One that put a crimp on the Planes menu. Twice he had steak for lunch and then once again the choice was fish or steak during his flight to Wisconsin.

He complained and was told that steak was replacing enchiladas and he blew up feeling he was being blamed. He shouted " I am tired of these motherfuckin steaks on this motherfuckin plane!"
Secret service thought they heard the word snakes and drew their guns... ;^)

since then people say he is a lot like Jackson, Samuel Jackson.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Stanron
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:10 PM

Good Soldier Schweik wrote: Trump is a boring old fart

Best judgement so far.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:33 PM

Trump is a boring old fart

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:00 PM

uneducated, ignorant, unable to discern fact from fiction

Which is where the opening post came in! :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 03:06 PM

[Reagan] How can a person so old and confused be the president?...
then bush - how can someone so ignorant be the president?


Easy peasy! - uneducated, ignorant, unable to discern fact from fiction electorate.

Then as now.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 12:56 PM

we'll have to see, i suppose. its just a feeling i've got about the situation.

i seem to remember people saying about Reagan - how can a person so old and confused be the president?

then bush - how can someone so ignorant be the president?

they not only were the president. they got re-elected.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 11:15 AM

The "piece of dirt" is filling a position he shouldn't be in. Not too hard for me to figure that out.

I was active duty military for a long time. The President is Commander in Chief, and ... let's just say if I were in now, I'd probably end up being Court Martialed. Hard enough with GWB, but the stupid people who thought he'd be a good President maybe didn't think that the western version of the insane Kim Jong-un was going to be able to order their children to go die and kill other people's children for insulting him.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 11:06 AM

Americans' reverence for the office didn't save Nixon, whose criminal activities were far less overt than Twit's have been throughout his public life, in fact, it's likely their respect for that office hastened his downfall.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:54 AM

The office is worthy of respect.

I've never been quite sure how that is supposed to work out as a practical matter particularly when, as now, the incumbent is a piece of dirt.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:40 AM

No, Al. The office is worthy of respect. Trump isn't. And when you say "the yanks", I'm assuming you know more of them than I do, because the ones at Mudcat (where British people talk about American politics) don't fit your statement, and many of the ones NOT on Mudcat and who voted for the other candidate don't either.

I suspect, like pretty much all of us, it can be easy to form opinions based on what some talking head on the TV concludes and spreads. If you only watch Fox, you get a very different picture than if you watch MSNBC or NPR, and if you get your news from some other source who uses one or more of those channels as their source, who knows. If you get it from the internet, you only get information from sources you choose to click on, and you won't get anything that challenges your beliefs.

Just saying don't trust any one source, and question what your opinions are based on.

Watch Live: House hearing on Russia's involvement in the 2016 election (on NPR)

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 10:08 AM

i'm not getting at anything - i just think that the way Americans revere the office of President will probably see Trump through - however crazy things get.

Because frankly things are pretty crazy already.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: bobad
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 09:12 AM

Russia is always the big bogy-bear threatening to eat us all up.

Ask the people about that big bogy-bear in Hungary,Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Austria, Poland, the Baltic States, Finland etc, etc, - Russiaphobes all I'm sure.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 09:10 AM

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at Big AL but I'll wager that a majority of Americans, myself included, have more respect for the office than Twitler.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:57 AM

CNN report: US officials: Info suggests Trump associates may have coordinated with Russians.

So, it again begs Schumer's question: Why are we vetting a Supreme Court candidate during an investigation of the Presidency? The kind of investigation that will result in his impeachment. He isn't going to be in office much longer.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:54 AM

Satan implants or Satanplants as we commonly call them, are making it hard to distinguish the bad guys from the evil guys.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:52 AM

I didn't know Ozzie Osbourne did brain implants. I think the USA would be better off with him though...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:46 AM

the thing is - one thing i've noticed.

when someone gets elected and called Mr President - however strange the holder of the office, Americans do tend to respect them.
Far more than we respect a Prime Minister, or even the monarch.

even if they prove Trump has a brain implant arranged by the prince of darkness, most yanks will regard the office with respect.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:44 AM

edit: 100 megatons and more...

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:44 AM

Russiaphobes

Good grief!

Nothing wrong with that term. There's a lot of it about, and has been since Victorian times, at least. It doesn't really have much to do with politics either. Regardless of what kind of regime is in charge - Tsarist, Stalinist, Putinist or what-have-you - Russia is always the big bogy-bear threatening to eat us all up.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:41 AM

hey Donnie, its called the party of Lincoln.
"Really, well a lot of people don't know about Fredrick Douglas making a comeback either."

______________________________________________

Russiaphobes?

I am not afraid of Russians. Russians are afraid of Russia.
Especially Putin dissidents.

What does that say of Americans afraid of Trump.


Russia has a history of going BIG.
An unfortunate example of their weaponry is that their nuclear weapons of 1100 megatons or more are so powerful there is no place on Earth hey can be tested. For their cold war number two punch after a 1st strike, they had stock piled over 100 ton of weaponized smallpox virus to be delivered to kill survivors.

They now spend more military money on tactical Info war.
They went big on America media but many people think it was Real news and not intentionally fake. As a hypnotist I admit they made a great weapon.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 08:13 AM

This is germaine to the discussion:

Lincoln was a Republican, slavery is bad — and more discoveries by President Obvious
By Dana Milbank
March 22, 2017 at 5:01 PM

Seeking and winning the presidency has been a magical voyage of discovery for Donald Trump.

Tuesday night, he divulged a most remarkable finding: Abraham Lincoln was — are you sitting down for this? — a Republican.

"Most people don't even know he was a Republican," Trump told a group of Republicans.

Trump's discoveries of seemingly obvious things raise two possibilities: 1) He thinks people are awfully stupid, or 2) he is discovering for himself things the rest of us already knew. Which is true? Nobody knows.

Or 3): he's just an ignorant fucki*g moron.

whole article HERE and worth reading.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: bobad
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:59 AM

Russiaphobes

Good grief!

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 07:06 AM

Like Ake I too am disappointed in Americans like Bannon (Chief President advisor) who has vowed to deconstruct government and democracy.

Have you noticed that fearless leader has gained 30 lbs?

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 06:18 AM

The fight is being managed by House and Senate Democrats in slow motion. The full story of assisting Russia hacks and info info war bots has been introduced first. The Next phase are the number of Trump surrogates directly involved. The third scandal of Trump trading an oil deal for assisting Russia will be the full trifecta.

This I have outlined in detail months ago. The Congressional investigation committee must go to a special prosecutor. If this fails we are in deep trouble but not defeated by the clear and present domestic enemies.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Mar 17 - 04:36 AM

I tried posting something and it got hacked (probably by Serge from the FSB)

Twitler is firing so many volleys in all directions, including some "you too" lies.

So where do his detractors go to fight the mess?

It is a classic divide and conquer stratagem. Brutal, blitzkrieg, and ....................

History repeats itself. Yea, yea, it is different, but so much is the same! Which is why history has to repeat itself. Till we get it right!

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:55 PM

And that's the worry, Greg. The man is an unpredictable nut. So I'm rather hoping the Kremlin has the rumoured sex tapes of Trump to keep him on side, rather on just relying on his business interests.

If he should join in with the chorus of Russiaphobes we're getting from all around, and start hyping it up Trump style, God help us.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:08 PM

Now that Mannifort is known to have taken 10 million bucks a year from Putin's best friend billionaire to rig the American election and aid Russia, this is when Ake must stop watching the news, fake or otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:00 PM

Hell, I don't live in Europe and I'M very concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: gillymor
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 08:40 PM

If I lived in Europe I'd be very concerned over Twit's ties to Putin and his disdainful attitude toward NATO.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 08:07 PM

Only problem with that analysis, Kevin, is that you assume that Trump is mentally stable, consistent, reliable, and a man of his word. He could, and would, turn on Russia in a New York nanosecond. Stay tuned for his nex twat.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 07:55 PM

Actually the idea of Trump being tied up with Russia is the only bright spark in the Trump presidency. It makes the danger of a blow-up with Russia and a war seem less likely.

If Trump was actively hostile to Russia, that would be a lot more terrifying.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Helen
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 01:33 PM

Hi all,

I've been keeping up to date on the latest factual information on DJ Trump (that means you won't be interested in this, ake) written by Paul McGeough

See a list of articles by Paul McGeough

As you can see, the investigation into the links with Russia has now been announced, but no conclusions have yet been reached, so ake's statements in the original post of this thread on 20 Mar 17 - 08:17 AM "Well my goodness, it really was all fake news...surprise surprise!" and on 21 Mar 17 - 05:42 PM "Well there you are, no evidence of any link between The President DJ and Russia" are pre-emptive, i.e. jumping the gun, trying to create an illusion of an outcome with no facts to back up his statements because the outcome is still unknown. What a surprise, ake.

If you keep saying it over and over and over again, it must be true, eh? What Greg F said: 22 Mar 17 - 09:38 AM

Helen

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 01:14 PM

From reason and reality, Professor.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 11:43 AM

Where are you from Greg?

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Mar 17 - 09:38 AM

Apparently not only "Americans": I give you Ake.....


"Americans have reached a point where ignorance, especially of anything related to public policy, is an actual virtue," the scholar Tom Nichols writes in his timely new book, "The Death of Expertise." "To reject the advice of experts is to assert autonomy, a way for Americans to insulate their increasingly fragile egos from ever being told they're wrong about anything. It is a new Declaration of Independence: No longer do we hold these truths to be self-evident, we hold all truths to be self-evident, even the ones that aren't true. All things are knowable and every opinion on any subject is as good as any other."

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 10:06 PM

Rachel Maddow had a blockbuster expose' on the Russian Trump connection regarding Russian Info War publications and FBI investigation into the role that Russian Info war bots played in the election. Fascinating.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 06:07 PM

A man by the name of Steele from the UK gave the US a dossier regarding Trump that makes many links to Russia and Trump.
So far they check out -except for the golden showers. And I don't mean gold fixtures.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 05:51 PM

You're the bad loser. You screwed up here and now you're bitter. Americans, I humbly offer my sincere apologies for this person's continuing ignorance and imbecility. I am, of course, mortally embarrassed that he lives on the same tectonic plate as I do. Same plate, though, paradoxically, a different planet.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 05:42 PM

Well there you are, no evidence of any link between The President DJ and Russia.   How long has this "investigation" been going on?

I would have voted Trump against Clinton any day and it looks like the American people thought the same, although Clinton got slightly more votes a huge number of people had lost confidence or interest in the whole charade.....and most of these people would be most unlikely to vote for an establishment figure in any circumstances.

If they were to be persuaded it would be by the "populist".

I am extremely disappointed in the attitude of the Americans here regarding the democratic process, I though you were a positive people who believed in fairness, so much better than we UKers...seems I was wrong and the American "elite" are just a carbon copy of our own, whining, childish ideological bad losers.....:0(

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 05:22 PM

You are correct SIR

I hear better than I read.

I imagine better than I hear.

my latest cartoon- "Zeke, it looks like Republicans hitched all their horses to Trump's wagon" "Yup, jus needs a push"
(The wagon says health care and has square wheels)

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 04:48 PM

Sorry, Don. I did see it, but I prefer people actually speaking a speech. Audible vs visual. I figured folks might like to hear it for themselves, but yours is right there for folks who'd rather read it.

Subject: RE: BS: President Trump/Russia link (FBI)
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 17 - 04:03 PM

Jeri you don't read the thread either?


Trump is a surprisingly bad liar but you know what they say.
Its not a lie if you appear to believe it.

the new religion:

OBEY THE DONALD
BELIEVE THE BANNON wants to deconstruct democracy
TRUST THE RUSSIANS
and
BUY IVANKA

what a world