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BS: Choice of education

Senoufou 25 Apr 17 - 08:58 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Senoufou
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 08:58 AM

You're quite right of course, Iains. Very specialised jobs such as doctors, teachers. nurses, plumbers, electricians and so on will always require specialist training and knowledge. But a lot of this can be polished up and acquired by experience during the Probationary period after the degree. In my case, I was a Probationer Teacher for two years (in Scotland) My sister did a year's clinical experience (being on call in a hospital for over 100 hours a week sometimes!) Apprentices are usually attached to a time-served 'master' until they have enough working knowledge to go it alone. All this counts as 'education' in my view.

I think the secret is never to stop learning. When my elderly father died, he had been studying French and bridge, and going to several evening classes. He was also learning about car mechanics.
After retirement, I decided to learn British Sign Language, and Mandarin Chinese, and attended several short courses about Geology of the Hebrides, Medieval Cathedrals of Europe, The Life and Times of Charles Dickens for example. I even gave three lectures myself to our Ladies'Group:- 'Travels In West Africa', 'Prison Visiting' and 'Edinburgh Royal Infirmary'.
If one can keep on being incurably curious, one will naturally seek knowledge and one way or another keep on learning.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Iains
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 08:24 AM

All degrees provide education, in addition some provide vocational training. I would be hesitant to use a doctor with a qualification in mathematics rather than medicine. Such a qualification would be useful in numerous other areas however. A qualification in Runic Studies would be poor preparation for a career in plumbing.
It must be obvious that certain career paths require focused studies, irregardless as to whether it is brain surgery or being a sparkie. They are not places for amateurs, no matter how well meaning. Other careers tolerate a more generalist education. Rightly or wrongly that is the system we have. What is tacitly accepted but never discussed is where education(ie pursuit of knowledge, analytical thinking etc. etc.) separates from vocational training.In reality it breaks along the lines of Arts versus sciences. As was said previously, all education is beneficial but for certain professions it is required to be specific. The only way to change this would be to regard schooling up to degree level as education to be followed by perhaps another period of vocational training. This would be good for masking the high unemployment rate among the young and also create debt slaves with a yet greater burden.
    The present system also overlooks the fact that some young people run through the secondary education system and achieve zero in the way of qualifications. Is this an area that should be brushed out of site? the creation of an alienated underclass of increasingly unemployable youth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Stu
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 07:05 AM

...but all types of learning are never wasted"

THIS. Most intelligent thing written on MudCat for years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Senoufou
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 06:12 AM

I agree Steve. There was/is a bit of a stigma about 'Vocational Courses', which there shouldn't be of course.

My feisty sister tackled the Head at our Grammar School to allow her to do Woodwork & Metalwork alongside her more academic subjects. She's much brighter than I, was obviously going to University, and the Head was astonished. She reckoned they would be very useful things to learn (they were!) He gave in and she was brilliant, much to the disgust of the boys. (Sexism was alive and well in those days)

I wanted to change my Uni course to Nursing Studies (a degree course) but my Director of Studies was equally astonished, and my traditional father forbade it. I had to do a Post Grad teaching qualification for a year after graduation. I still think a 3yr Teachers' Training College vocational course would have been more useful to me. (or entry as an SRN student in a hospital!)

I really think Studies should be just that, not separated into 'academic' or 'vocational', and not necessarily leading to anything in particular. What one does after receiving the qualification is up to oneself. People change their minds, circumstances alter, other opportunities arise, but all types of learning are never wasted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 06:08 AM

A very reasonable argument Steve. Thanks for that one. On reflection, one of my brothers (the only one who had to go through the I think it was called the Kent test - a sort of 11 plus - I, the eldest and next one down went Welsh comp first and moved with the "A stream qualification" and we were back in Wales when youngest brother started secondary) might have been written off by the system. I am aware that on a parents day my mother asked about science in the secondary modern to get a sort of "kid's here can't do it/aren't interested" type response.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 17 - 05:35 AM

"Vocational" sometimes has a ring of "also-ran" about it. Not so much a sense of my following a calling, more a sense of I can only use my hands, not my brain. Can't do the hard subjects. At my school, if you weren't much good at Latin you had to do tech drawing instead. If you were hopeless at French (or badly-taught, you decide) you did woodwork. Too weak for physics and chemistry? "Applied science" for you! Great if you're following a course of action that you're very enthusiastic about. Not so good if you're steered down it simply because you can't keep up with the swots!


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 06:56 PM

One view seems to me some of of us may be more suited to one line or other, Steve. Me, I was certainly capable of playing the school system (in my case actually 2 years comp in Llandudo followed by a Grammar in Tunbridge Wells) until dropping out after the start of A level in science subjects but I think would have preferred to be more hands on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 06:47 PM

Why does there need to be a vocational/academic line, Jon? Just asking...


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 05:09 PM

OK I (as a non academic) will bite.

I'd guess that the most commonly questioned degree is "media studies" (whatever that really involves) and I certainly do wonder why a relation got a degree in something essentially woodworking with a bit of design.

My (perhaps faulty) memory seems to suggest that there was a push towards more degrees with Blair but I do wonder whether there are things better treated as purely vocational.

I'm not going to argue that there isn't a place for say both a computer scientist and an "engineer" who has come up from a different route; and will state that someone I particular enjoy chatting to was a research scientist who has even talked to me about his work on strains of yeast for the brewing industry.

I'm not out to dismiss anyone in this thread but am enquiring (particularly from the academics) where they see the sort of vocational/academic line for qualifications,


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 03:19 PM

"That is a bit of a broad brush statement. It leaves out the vital component of any person's education, namely motivation"
That is my point Iains
Education has retreated to a position of training for looking for (largely non-existent) jobs, much as it was around the time I was leaving school
Nearly ten years later, when my youngest sisters were at school, the comprehensive system had broadened education to encompass the arts,certainly far more than it did in my experience.
Now it seems to have gone back to its old ways.
Discipline is immaterial really- all part of the 'teaching by ote' method.
Teachers are getting better - or certainly more dedicated in a broader sense - I know many of them though my involvement in music, but talking to them and reading threads about 'despairing teachers leaving' give the impression of an uphill battle.
The various attempts to curb teachers down the years really haven't helped.
I went to a secondary mod school that thought it was a grammer school due to the make up of its pupils - part failed middleish class from Speke village and the vast bulk from the overspill housing estate where I lived.
I probably got more encouragement to find out about Shakespere and Dickens from the 'failures' than I did from most of the teachers (with notable exceptions)
I could quote huge chunks of Shakespere off the top of my head because I'd been taught to learn it parrot-fashion.
It took a lovely girl from the village to get me to enjoy it (and her!!)
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Stu
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 02:57 PM

Nowt to do with me sir! I'm used to inverted snobbery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 02:42 PM

"source, sort and interpret interpretation is primary level at best"

I'm so sorry but I choose to spend my time on infinitely less anorakic activities - if it's all the same to you!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Stu
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 02:35 PM

"but then I have long experience rather than some utterly useless degree and no experience!!!!!"

True, but your ability to source, sort and interpret interpretation is primary level at best and this leaves you sounding like a ranting old man falling back on old Daily Mail bile-filled tropes rather than fact. Shame you missed out on the degree, you might have been a fine debater.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Iains
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 02:26 PM

Jim
"The internet seems to have helped create the strange contradiction of access to vastly far more information but far less incentive to use it."

That is a bit of a broad brush statement. It leaves out the vital component of any person's education, namely motivation. Sufficient motivation can overcome many educational disadvantages. This is not ideal obviously, but if all had the same opportunities there would still be winners and losers. Some thrive in an educational environment some detest it. Our present system(UK) provides elitist secondary education in the private sector, underfunding in the public sector and very little to help those not academically inclined. Is funding the real problem though? The secondary school I attended had one extension built in 60 years. The swimming pool was still suffering bomb damage from ww2 in the mid sixties. The main school was a victorian gothic monstrosity. Investment in facilities and equipment was minimal yet exam results were entirely reasonable. Also I can remember no school inspections and behaviour in the classroom was exemplary. To answer back was simply not done as the outcome of such a deed would be too painful. Could it be that in the 50's and 60's most male teachers of an age had been in the military and expected discipline. Today there is far more money, lax discipline and pass rates for a levels and degrees are ever higher and grades reach the stratosphere. Are teachers getting better, kids more intelligent, or are standards slipping?


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 12:34 PM

Spot on Saul. Here we cut funding for state comprehensive schools, set up ideologically-conceived "free schools" that don't have to follow any of the rules, get all enthusiastic about setting up selective grammar schools for the brightest elite and allow fee-paying schools charitable status.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: saulgoldie
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 11:08 AM

Apologies for coming in to this thread later; 'puter has been acting up, yada, yada, yada. (And also, in my scanning, I have seen quite a bit of the "heat" of name-calling" rather than the "light" of intelligent discourse.) But...

Here in the states, "choice" is the "spin" reference to "getting the public subsidize (mostly white) families for sending their children to private religious schools where, most likely, 'creationism' and other 'subjects' are taught and allows these families to leave the 'more difficult' students to the public schools who have to take all comers, thereby allowing public officials to try to further defund public schools because they now have fewer students who cost more per student than they used to."

So, yeah, "freedom to choose," that wonderfully false and deceptive "free market" goto notion that really isn't.

Saul


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 09:36 AM

That's just you getting old Jim :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 09:30 AM

Ideally, education should go far beyond training for work
Pope had it just about right when he wrote:
"'Tis education forms the common mind; just as the twig is bent the tree's inclined."
I remember envying my 9-year younger sisters when they attended the local Comprehensive school - far more wide-reaching than my own Secondary Modern drilling.
I can't pronounce with any authority nowadays, but I'm left with the distinct impression that all that is a thing of the past for most kids today.
The internet seems to have helped create the strange contradiction of access to vastly far more information but far less incentive to use it.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 08:39 AM

Envy is such an ugly trait.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 08:15 AM

"Don't judge others as you judge yourself. Not everyone is on the scrounge, some folk fall on hard times through no fault of their own."

As I did on each of the 3 times I was made reduntant - each time I sent out 500 + letters - remember them?? I found work by my own effort, but then I have long experience rather than some utterly useless degree and no experience!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Stu
Date: 24 Apr 17 - 07:02 AM

"I'm very glad I took up accountancy, so never been on the benefits scrounge!"

Don't judge others as you judge yourself. Not everyone is on the scrounge, some folk fall on hard times through no fault of their own.



"Now you tell me of what benefit a degree in such a subject would be and whether, or not, the holder of such a degree would ever recoup the investment made in obtaining it"

I suspect you might struggle to understand an answer to this, but I'll try. Higher education is about far more than the subject that you are studying. You learn a huge number of skills that otherwise you might not ever be able to, and through the process of learning and research you challenge your own opinions and change the way you view the world.

When I did my first undergrad course in geology (in my 30's), it changed the way I looked at the world, literally. A car journey became more than getting from A to B, but became a journey through time, biology, topography and the processes that create the landscape and influences what lives in it, from a blade of grass to a city.

You might not see the relevance of a degree in Urban Dance, but this is due to your ignorance of the subject and what motivates people to study it, and your ignorance doesn't render it less relevant to our society. Recuperating the cost of the degree shouldn't be an issue for the student, by having people educated to a high standard our economy is stronger and we can lead the world in science and culture. That's all the reason anyone needs, and to make the students pay for it is idiotic, counter-productive and ignorant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 02:24 PM

I didn't ask you for "an example." I asked you for a list. You said that "most study bullshit degrees." Well urban dance might just account for a very few hundred at most, if that, out of an annual student intake of half a million per annum. My maths isn't what it used to be, but that isn't "most."

Are you floundering??


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 02:15 PM

Ha Bonzo, has your wife managed to get those ...er...knickers off yet?
(For those puzzled by this remark, please see the leg ulcers thread!)

Hope she's getting along well and the ulcers are healing nicely.
My mother had a leg ulcer, and it was actually quite painful. She was given some special powder to dry it up (no idea what it was) and luckily it soon healed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 01:56 PM

"Knowledge isn't a dog biscuit for which one has to jump obligingly to receive" - both my wife & I think that's a wonderful saying, definitely filed away for use at the right time!


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 01:09 PM

On the contrary Senofou, if anyone should apologise it should be the unmitigated, aggressive, hectoring Terikins.

FULL STOP

I doubt he will, he perceives such as a sign of weakness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 12:41 PM

Have a look at the UEL (University of East London) syllabus of Urban Dance. It's brilliant. And the last section outlines possible career choices, of which there are many. They mention several of their graduates' successes in the world of dance.
To be honest, I would have loved such a study opportunity (I adore dance) and this course is now extremely popular.

My degree is a Master of Arts in French Language and English Literature, with Linguistics and Phonetics thrown in. I became a Primary School teacher, and this was in no way related to my degree, but was always what I wanted to do (that or nursing!)

One shouldn't bar students from access to any kind of education or study merely because they won't get a job at the end of it. Knowledge isn't a dog biscuit for which one has to jump obligingly to receive.

Teribus, I know your username is derived from 'Teribus ye teri Odin', which was the battlecry of the men of Hawick at Flodden. I apologise for my lighthearted attempt at humour in treating it as a Latin word. I expect I was just showing off (a tendency in me my sister has often tried to quash!) I'm sorry if it offended you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 12:37 PM

Your comment merely serves to demonstrate how little you know or understand about higher education.

No surprise at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 10:52 AM

Sorry Shaggy but your pal Shaw asked me for an example of a "Bullshit Degree" course that was of neither use nor ornament - I think a Degree in Urban Dancing fits the bill fairly well.

The Urban Dictionary has two definitions for the term Urban Dancing:

1: "to move with unhindered grace around an area with the presence of another enjoying the same activity."

2: "Humping someone in public"

Now you tell me of what benefit a degree in such a subject would be and whether, or not, the holder of such a degree would ever recoup the investment made in obtaining it - As a practitioner of 1, I'd say with difficulty, applying the knowledge obtained studying 2, you'd probably be debt free inside of six months.

People were conned into believing that a university degree - ANY university degree would increase your earning potential - IT DOESN'T, but hundreds of thousands swallowed the lie and have ended up in debt because of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 10:48 AM

I will raggetytashety!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: bobad
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 10:03 AM

What's wrong with that job?

Twenty years of schoolin'
And they put you on the day shift


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 09:47 AM

Well bully for you Bongo. Well done, hurray, take a gold star and give out the inkwells.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 09:44 AM

I am surprised that someone who maintains he has been involved in folk music for many years should choose a degree that includes performing as one that is useless.

In taking such a degree the student will learn not only performing of various types of dance, but research, choreography, studio skills and events management.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 09:39 AM

I'm very glad I took up accountancy, so never been on the benefits scrounge!


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 08:59 AM

"What's wrong with that job?"
Lousy pay, crap job, undemanding and not how most people would choose to spend their day, especially if they had a trade they could no longer find work in.
As a skilled electrician with fifty 45 years experience, I'd be pissed pissed off if I was told I would have my benefits withdrawn if I didn't take it - and I certainly couldn't support a family on the wages it would bring in.
Wonder how you would feel as a trained scientist!!
Apart from that, nothing much
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 08:43 AM

So degrees in performing arts are useless, are they? All of them? What about degrees at the Royal College of Music?

What about degrees in history? Archaeology? Religious studies? English literature? Politics? Should we allow only degrees that industrialists have decided are "useful?"

Philistine!


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 08:26 AM

A degree course in "Urban Dancing"


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 08:21 AM

I left grammar school in 1964 with just 5 O Levels, because I failed all my A levels. I preferred playing guitar in my band which was infinitely more fun than studying. However, I did eventually pass Institute of Chartered Accountants' part 1 Final exams but became time barred before retaking part 2 for the 3rd time I think it was - so that gives me roughly 8 A* passes at A level by 2017 standards!!

I have been out of work for no more than 3 weeks in total since September 1964!
University is a complete waste of time for the majority of wasters there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Stu
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 08:11 AM

"The best work he's been able to find so far is driving a forklift in a grocery store warehouse."

What's wrong with that job?


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 07:56 AM

But he's contributed well to the sum total of human wisdom, and the study and research skills he's acquired will influence him, and the people close to him, to the good for the rest of their lives.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: bobad
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 07:10 AM

The child of a friend got a phd in history three years ago. The best work he's been able to find so far is driving a forklift in a grocery store warehouse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 06:42 AM

Don't get him going on Hector, Jim, or else we'll be getting a two-year spat about who was well-led in the Boer Wars...


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 06:11 AM

"surely I am allowed to do that?"
Perhaps if you didn't abuse people and try to talk down to them you might have something to say
You hector everybody and we all know what happened to him - he got dragged by his heels behind a chariot (get sombody to look it up for you)
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 06:08 AM

Why I'm asking - a reminder:

"Another idiotic belief is that everybody has to go to University. WTF for? Most go to study bullshit degrees that lead nowhere and have no purpose - waste of time and resources." (Teribus, 20 April)

All I want to know is which degrees are the bullshit ones!


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 06:00 AM

So which are the bullshit ones? Do you perhaps believe in training only and not in education? How evasive can you get!


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 04:40 AM

It was senofou herself who described your words as a tirade not I.

I agree with her that your reaction was way over the top, but then again I'm used to your bullying, hectoring style, it doesn't bother me one iota, but a little decorum may be in order with other posters.


Ever thought of taking an Anger Management course.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Apr 17 - 04:24 AM

A list of "bullshit Degrees" that have no useful or practical application - if you don't mind Shaw.

Tirade Shaggy? I was responding to Senoufou's accusation - surely I am allowed to do that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 01:23 PM

As yiu're hectoring Raggytash about the nature of your educational qualifications, allow me to re-hector you. The list of bullshit degrees, please.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 09:52 AM

"What tirade Senoufou?? You are the one making broadbrush general statements to support typically left-wing stereotypes that have little or no bearing on what is being discussed. The fact that you appear unable to argue your case when challenged has got nothing to do with me. As "Teribus" has no connection whatsoever to Latin I fail to see the point in noting the Latin vocative case of the word"
(Teribus 22.04.17 08.15 AM)

I suppose I must have made up this outrageous shit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 09:48 AM

What's up Raggy still cannot quite steel yourself to having to openly admit that you have got no idea whatsoever as to where I was educated or the level to which I was educated, which of course would make your "fact" nothing of the sort.

Who by the way is "having at go at" who?

Mind you it would appear that your sort of discussion revolves around you making a whole load of shit up, no matter how outrageous, and then have all your gormless pals agree with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Choice of education
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Apr 17 - 08:24 AM

Typical response from Mr Angry.

Senoufou is possibly the most gentle person on this site, judging by her posts, but even that doesn't stop the hectoring, blustering bully having a go at her.

Appalling behaviour.


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