BS: They do Something about US guns

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 04:05 PM

You're trying to change the topic of conversation - children (and adults) killed by guns. Be reasonable and get with the topic.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 04:01 PM

Acme,

If your concern is removing guns from law-abiding citizens, you are correct in pushing more gun laws. If you cared about reducing the number of children killed, you are not being reasonable.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 03:52 PM

And that's just plain stupid as a defense of any of your positions.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 03:19 PM

300,000,000 guns

17 used in school shootings


Pass more laws that do no good!

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 01:48 PM

And BeardedBruce brings in Tu quoque, the "whataboutism" logical fallacy of changing the subject, suggesting the thing you really want to talk about (guns) doesn't somehow measure up to other things HE wants to talk about, trying to render the conversation moot.

Now back to GUNS.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 11:22 AM

Make that 1000 time as many for abortions...

But then, the Liberal viewpoint is that the fetus is the property of the mother, just as slaves were the property of the master, and could be treated however the owner desired.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 11:06 AM

No, He means they were in a school that had a shooting of some kind.


Donuel,

How many survived car accidents over that time?

I think that the law SHOULD be passed that 18-20 year olds should not be able to get deadly weapons- BUT this should include driver's licenses, cars, alcohol, drugs,being allowed in the military, voting, serving on juries, or deciding to have abortions as well as pistols ( already banned) and rifles - ALL matters that involve judgement and can have deadly consequences.


Or is it ok that 10 times as many children die in car accidents, and 100 times as many by abortions as by guns?

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 11:04 AM

Throwing rocks in school.

Throwing rocks in school!?

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 08:38 AM

Define "survived school shooting" - I mean, I've survived them all by not being at school. Do you mean were wounded but didn't die?

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 07:31 AM

there are 10,000,000 AR 15s in America.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 07:24 AM

Since 1999:
187,000 students survived school shootings
in 193 schools

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Mar 18 - 06:29 PM

The Boston location of March For Our Lives
expects some forty thousand people.
Mayor Marty Walsh cheerfully said over the radio
that he knows it's all about the kids
so the kids will do the talking
AND he will be there cheering them on.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 Mar 18 - 01:56 AM

But is Donny listening?

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 09:15 PM

Marches all over the country. We'll have one here in Charlottesville.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Mar 18 - 01:34 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/13/politics/shoe-memorial-congress-gun-violence/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/us/urgent-gun-measures-florida-state-legislatures/index.html

This Saturday the children arrive in DC t0 do something most meaningful.

They do something about US guns while Congress and the POTUS did not.

It is a David and Goliath story if there ever was one.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 01:13 PM

One month ago,
I posted to this thread about
the homage to Dr. Seuss's Lorax
drawn on a blackboard in colored chalk
in the public library, in the area
where grade school students often reserve study rooms.

Unless someone like you
cares a whole awful lot,
nothing's going
to get better.
It's not.

Complete with the Lorax standing on what looks like a tree stump.

Well, the message is still there on the chalkboard,
and so is the little tree stump.

But somebody had the [expletive deleted]
to rub out the Lorax,
and rather than re-chalk the little Lorax,
the staff used a chalkboard eraser to put the Lorax out of his misery.

a sign of the times?

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 04:26 PM

ROTFL!! By comparison, the visual observation of the curing-process of decorative coating would be, IMHO, rivetting! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 02:11 PM

Backwoodsman: "I'd rather stick hot needles in my eyes than have anything whatsoever to do with golf. A boring pastime for fat old men."

I've just learned that there is a Professional Golf Association dedicated RADIO station, PGA Tour Radio, so even if your eyes have been poked out, you can still follow along.

Furthermore, they have play-by-play re-broadcasts, in case you missed the live event.

I can't imagine a more soothing experience than listening to the dulcet tones of a soft-spoken golf announcer describing every crucial stroke of a match whose outcome you already know.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 01:32 PM

I'd rather stick hot needles in my eyes than have anything whatsoever to do with golf. A boring pastime for fat old men.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 08:42 PM

Keberoxu: "So Dick's Sporting Goods made its restriction announcements
and kind of waited for the worst -- and people sent them flowers."

Delta Airlines made theirs, and the Georgia legislature rescinded their $50 million fuel tax break (? $50 million something). (Delta and Atlanta's airport are just about identical.) It would be nice if people started boycotting states who do such things, as they did over the Confederate flag issue. Imagine if they held the Masters golf tournament and no one showed up. Never happen, I suppose, after all. . . golf.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Mar 18 - 07:14 PM

So Dick's Sporting Goods made its restriction announcements
and kind of waited for the worst --

and people sent them flowers.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 12:12 PM

Aaaaahh...Gun-Loonies-Plus.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 10:48 AM

Ah, that explains a lot doesn't it? The Loony Moonies. If it wasn't so appalling, that photo is like something from Monty Python.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 10:26 AM

It was "real" in a sense, surreal in another. The church is a splinter sect under Sun Myung Moon's son, that apparently didn't find the original Moonies weird enough.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 08:30 AM

Only in Amerika...

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 08:08 AM

It was real.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 05:46 AM

That is utterly sick (in the old meaning of the word) Backwoodsman!
Do you think it is in fact real? It certainly looks like it.
If so, it's hard to believe that people could be so bizarre and obsessed.
Heaven help us all!

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 05:04 AM

I hope this isn't for real but, if it is, it's a sad commentary on the sickness that seems to have so many Americans in its grip...

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/g18925932/gun-church-ceremony-photos/?src=socialflowFBESQ

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:31 AM

A start at least: Washington Post
The world's largest retailer, Walmart, announced a change to its policies Wednesday, saying it would raise the minimum age required to buy a firearm and ammunition and remove any items that resemble assault rifles from its shelves.

In a statement, the company said it would raise its age requirement to 21 from 18, a decision it made "in light of recent events" — most notable the national discussion about gun control since the Feb. 14 shooting at a high school in Florida that left 17 people dead.

"We take seriously our obligation to be a responsible seller of firearms and go beyond Federal law by requiring customers to pass a background check before purchasing any firearm," the company said.

Of course, taking items 'which resemble assault rifles from its shelves' does not mean quite the same as stopping selling them.
But the change in age requirements is a good start.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 07:53 PM

It did please me to hear
about Dick's Sporting Goods franchise
and their Field and Stream outlet stores.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:49 AM

30 Corporations have boycotted NSA promotions and discounts
The survivor kids go back to school today.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 10:14 AM

https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-guns


sacrifices have been made. We are doing something

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 02:50 PM

There was a window in time where being a political cartoonist was a great way of remaining a coward but having a bold mind changing effect on the public.
These days death threats are as common as dirt from any direction.
If you do something, say something and stay resolute despite the trolls.
Its your home, be brave. The high school students are.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 02:21 PM

ITS ALIVE
AND GROWING

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 02:08 PM

According to the Washington Post, Delta and United airlines are joining Hertz, Avis, Budget car rentals, MetLife, Best Western, First Nation al Bank of Omaha (the NRA's own credit-card issuing bank), and other pillars of the corporate mainstream in severing ties with the NRA.

Fake news?

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:48 PM

The NRA has become SOLID 24karat Bull shit. The NRA is not allowed to call BS on anyone, ESPECIALY victims who merely tried to non lethally go to school or work or concerts or buy food.

STAY Adamant, stay outraged, stay proud of the truth of real news.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:29 PM

I am in favor of ridiculing the ridiculous too.

And now it looks like there were a half-dozen armed good guys there, doing nothing. Arming Mrs. Crabapple or Ms. Chokesondick isn't going to do better.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:20 PM

I second that emotion.
We have an unknowledgeable President who takes the side of the loudest suck up. So when it comes to calling an idea Common Sense, its not the kind that Thomas Paine wrote about.
Trump has an internal level of cruelty not found in a regular human being.
The NRA wish list is not common sense to a nation seeking safety and non lethal journeys to school, church, work, music concerts and rallies.

Now the words Common Sense have been sullied, big brotherized and reduced to nonsense. It is a great loss on its own.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:19 PM

You go Gilly! My history with firearms is much like yours. Its long past due that the NRA was recognized as the shithole organization (pardon my Trump) it is. Sign me up!.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 12:59 PM

Fuck thoughts and prayers, it's (well past) time for anger and action. Someone said that after the Stoneman Douglas shooting and I thoroughly agree. I informed Amazon that if that if they continue to sell products that promote the NRA or continue to offer NRA TV or if in one month I search their site and find anything pro-NRA on it I'll cancel my Prime membership and cease doing business with them entirely. This from a gun owner who keeps them unused in a locker, a former hunter and shooter and long ago NRA member (back when it was a much different organization). I'm just one person but join me in this and help make it snowball.
A number of corporations are breaking ties with the NRA after this last tragedy and let's put the pressure on them to keep it up. Without our patronage they're out of business.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Senoufou
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:31 AM

Jackaroodave, here in Norfolk we'll say "Yer orlroit!" but very common too is "Thass not a problem."

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 08:29 AM

"i suppose with so many guns about - Americans are polite to each other, just to be on the safe side."

Haw, haw, good one Al!

Although. . . I live in West Virginia, which is full of hunters and Trump voters, and despite my marked Yankee accent, the people I meet and deal with daily are the most cordial and courteous--though anything but genteel--people I've met outside Japan.

OT question alert:

Whenever I put someone to trouble or mess up somehow, which is often, and I say something about it, the response is always "You're good," or "You're fine," = "No worries/problem." but warmer.

Is this form common elsewhere?

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:02 AM

when i was a kid doing science in school - we used to have a row of little bottles on every desk - hydrochloric acid, nitric acid, sodium hydroxide, sulphuric acid....and something else.

they don't do that nowadays.
the general trend is to make classrooms with less possible hazards.

in America, they're talking about having guns in the classroom.

what a fascinating country. they must be totally different to England.

In England many school age children are mischievous. They would plot to get hold of the gun. Also many teachers are on the edge of a nervous breakdown - they could start shooting.

i suppose with so many guns about - Americans are polite to each other, just to be on the safe side.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 06:08 AM

What a powerful way to teach kids the authority of the gun and the regime. This could be an interesting way to shape feelings about power, guns and the Trump cult. We know who the selected sub human aliens and undesirables are already. Is there anyone who does not?

Reagan wars with the Salvadoran people who were not freedom fighters, bred the poor violent gang insurgency over generations that Trump now conveniently uses to define most immigrants - The MS-13.

Some immigrants are given 2 choices.
Deportation or useful prisoners in a private work prison. We know the deal. We are to a large degree active participants in this scheme just like when the German people played. All we have to do is look away.

Gun training would make an excellent education tool. Learn/expect who the enemy should be. We could have interrogation rooms for privacy and have people tell us who kids suspect of being a mass shooter.

At the heart of America is the school. We must not curse our schools with a Trump gun culture.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Thompson
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 04:02 AM

"Quiet down now, girls," said Sister Benvenuta. "Today we're going to read some of the work of Robert Frost."
"Yes, Sister," said the girls - all except Concepcion O'Hara. She kept talking, and under her desk slowly raised a finger. From her earphones the faint sound of rap came as a tinny echo.
"I SAID QUIET!" said Sister Benvenuta.
"Blow me," said Concepcion O'Hara, quietly.
"I will, then." Sister Benvenuta opened the top of her desk and pulled out the AK-47. Already loaded. She cocked it,* fired.
The bloody shreds of Concepcion O'Hara settled on the girls. A hand landed in front of Sister Benvenuta with a sad wet 'flunppp', one finger still extended.
"Open your books at page 47, girls," said Sister Benvenuta, blowing away the smoke** that drifted from the barrel of the AK-47. But the girls just screamed and screamed.

* Do you have to cock an AK-47? (Whatever 'cock' means.)
** Does smoke come out of the barrel of an AK-47? Do you still call it a barrel?

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:37 AM

if you listen to Freewheeling Bob Dylan as a period piece you'll hear a popular artist making fun of 1960's racism. Lenny Bruce was doing similar things in his night club act.

Perhaps popular artists have a role to play in these huge public debates like racism and gun control.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 01:02 AM

Has it occurred to anyone else that no Catholic school (and we have a lot of them in the U.S.) has ever been shot up?

Must be that the nuns are packing heat!

Bev and Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 12:06 AM

Ronald Reagan was surrounded by secret service agents when he was shot...

If only there had been an armed math teacher to protect him.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 09:13 PM

In the realm of ludicrous laughter today, I have pictured the Lunch Lady Brigade performing mission improbable maneuvers with pythonesque lightening speed and agility - for their size

It is alleged that certain people have an aptitude for making defensive head shots under fire. I'm thinking that the Chess Club would be more suitable, quick thinking and independent than members of the football team.

A little bit of a Bonus is what our President has promised if you confront and kill mass shooters. I'm afraid the bonus would amount to overtime pay at Dairy Queen.

Subject: RE: BS: They do Something about US guns
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 08:12 PM

We'll see, Jack. But I don't hold out much hope for your approach conquest by ridicule.

The NRA's positions - since 1980 at least - have been universally absurd.

Re: #'s 2 & 3 - they seem to be doing just fine & own most of the Republicans lock stock and barrel. (as it were)

Other than by their membership, they are, and have been for years, a universal figure of opprobrium wch hasn't accomplished shit re: rational gun control. You figure laughing will produce better results?

These folks are no laughing matter, but are an organization the actively supports and promotes terrorism.

They're nort something to make jokes about.