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Origins: The Dying Cowboy
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Subject: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 29 Jan 22 - 03:11 AM "The Dying Cowboy" penned new words to old Irish Ballad in 1876 and copyrighted Nov. 11, 1911. Francis Henry Maynard claimed his song was liked and changed by cowboys and became "The Streets of Laredo, and Irish folk tradition dates his new words back over 300 years to churchyard grave site at Desertcreat of Phelim Brady. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Jan 22 - 12:08 PM There are yards and yards of discussion regarding this song. Welcome to Mudcat! One of the first things you'll want to learn here is to use the Search feature (upper left corner), then you can read up on the topic and ask your questions or add remarks in existing threads. Enter "Streets of Laredo" or "Saint James Infirmary Blues" into the search box and you will have lots of material regarding the sources and authenticity of the various stories about the song. Here are a few (and look at the top of each thread for linked discussions): . . . all wrapped in white linen Tune Req: St. James Infirmary Blues The Unfortunate Rake An article posted by a member about the history of the song |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 29 Jan 22 - 05:08 PM Thank you for your links I have read them. Is there something you could share? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 29 Jan 22 - 11:54 PM The Irish element of "The Dying Cowboy" which had become "The Streets of Laredo" By the time when F.H. Maynard in 1924 newspaper article Quote: I am the author of "The Streets of Laredo" can be linked to two 78 records.The first appearance on 78 was 1920 John McCormack "Bard of Armagh" Four years before his claim in 1924 and then Ewen Hail one year after his passing "Cowboy's Lament first appearance on 78 "Cowboy's Lament" and under his name "The Cowboy Minstrel". So 1920 "Bard" vs. 1927 "Minstrell. What's the point? The point is it links the Irish folk origin back before 1790 Dublin to 1697, Dr. Patrick Donnelly (Bard) Phelim Brady (Minstrel). Bard is the synonym for Minstrel. As nouns "Bard" is a professional poet and singer,As amongst the ancient Celts,Whose occupation was to compose and sing verses in honor of the heroic achievements of the princes and brave men.Phelim Brady "Minstrel" is historical,a medieval traveling entertainer,who would sing and recite poetry,often to his own musical accompaniment. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 30 Jan 22 - 05:18 AM My Jewel, my joy around 1790 don't trouble me with the drum, sound the dead march as my corpse goes along THE DYING COWBOY 1876 Then muffle the drums and play the dead marches; Play the dead march as I'm carried along. The Streets of Laredo 1927 and beat the drum slowly and play the dead march as you carry me along |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 01 Feb 22 - 01:12 AM https://youtu.be/W07SXadlFyU The Bard of Armagh/The Streets of Laredo Vince Gill |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 01 Feb 22 - 01:19 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W_mQ1oTuq4 First time a version of F. H. Maynard version of The Streets of Laredo lyrics put on a 78 rpm This is a rare blue wax of a version of The Dying Cowboy being sung as The Cowboy's Lament by Ken Maynard which was one of only two songs ever issued to the public in his only on recording session. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 04 Feb 22 - 01:14 AM ken maynard - cowboys lament - https://youtu.be/QGZeqOL7LKs |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: Reinhard Date: 04 Feb 22 - 05:43 AM When you post a YouTube link, could you please add a short comment what the video is about? I'm quite unwilling to just click on something that might be a waste of time ;-)
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 04 Feb 22 - 06:05 AM https://youtu.be/Qotwe2loixw People forget to mention that the origin of "The Streets of Laredo" and "The Cowboy's Lament" is "The Dying Cowboy" so all three share the same roots with Ireland. "Bard of Armagh" |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 04 Feb 22 - 06:46 AM https://youtu.be/hIBaKobX-sk In 1876 F.H. Maynard penned a song "The Dying Cowboy" in which he claims to be the original Author of "The Streets of Laredo" This video shows the story of the original lyrics of the burial that evolved into his reworking of the "Bard of Armagh" without him even knowing it he eliminates the man and female rake theories back to the true original bravery of a honorable and heroic man! The Ranger!!! (COWBOY). |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: Charley Noble Date: 05 Feb 22 - 10:54 AM Not to be confused with "Blood on the Saddle." |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 17 Feb 22 - 02:24 PM https://youtu.be/yc97GED-HB0 Another 78 rpm early version of The Cowboy's Lament by Vernon Dalhart. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 17 Feb 22 - 02:42 PM https://youtu.be/L14UKBjC5Is Another 78 rpm version by Marty Robbins - The Streets Of Laredo. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 19 Feb 22 - 01:51 AM https://youtu.be/ql2zi0w7hfM Another version by Marty Robbins and Johnny Cash [Streets Of Laredo 1969] |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 23 Feb 22 - 12:20 AM https://youtu.be/e4fNnDdmqqo Version "The Dying Cowboy" aka "The Streets of Laredo" - Michael Martin Murphey |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 23 Feb 22 - 12:25 AM https://youtu.be/5ixdn-9fjW0 Another version: "The Dying Cowboy" aka "Bard of Armagh" aka "The Streets of Laredo" - Bard of Armagh - Vince Gill - Streets of Laredo |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: Joe Offer Date: 23 Feb 22 - 01:42 AM Randy is new here, and made a few mistakes. I fixed them. I hadn't known that the Irish song Bard of Armagh was the tune for what I know as an American cowboy song called "The Streets of Laredo." What Cisco Houston called "The Dying Cowboy" is known to me as "Bury Me Not on the Lone Prairie." It gets confusing. As Dick Greenhaus always used to say, don't depend on song titles. As in much of life, there are no absolutes in folk music. It all goes around in circles. Welcome to Mudcat, Randy. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: Lighter Date: 23 Feb 22 - 12:26 PM I suspect the familiar major tune of "The Streets of Laredo" was not picked up by a cowboy from hearing or reading the music of a literary ballad - though, of course, it can't be ruled out. Presumably the tune of both comes from an earlier soure. By the way, it's sometimes claimed that the tune was originally known as "A Handful of Laurel." This is in error: /mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=47060 |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 25 Feb 22 - 05:09 PM https://youtu.be/Qotwe2loixw Let's see what you think here is a alteration of the lyrics to an old Irish ballad("traditional folk melody") the "Bard of Armagh." and the "Original Author" (Frank Maynard) of "The Streets of Laredo." |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: GUEST,MaJoC the Filk Date: 25 Feb 22 - 05:22 PM |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: GUEST,MaJoC the Filk Date: 25 Feb 22 - 05:30 PM There I go, trying to help you, Lighter, and make things worse .... https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=47060: Handful of Laurel .... seems to work better. Hope this helps. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 25 Feb 22 - 06:52 PM https://youtu.be/QAf2jTkXL0A This recording was made by John McCormack on March 30, 1920. The melody of The Bard of Armagh was used for the American country music hit song The Streets of Laredo. In 1911 the original unchanged copyrighted lyrics to The Streets of Laredo found the Author in a 1924 newspaper article in colorado. And in 1930 The first singing cowboy in Hollywood sang his version and titled it The Cowboy's Lament because the original version The Dying Cowboy was penned in 1876. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 27 Feb 22 - 05:25 AM https://youtu.be/e8HnsQ9Nnfs Version: "The Dying Cowboy" aka "The Streets of Laredo" -by Hank Williams Jr. (melody: Bard of Armagh) |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 27 Feb 22 - 05:35 AM https://youtu.be/m21JXYd16QY Version: "The Dying Cowboy" aka "The Streets of Laredo" -By Richard Smith (Melody: Bard of Armagh) |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: GUEST,Psuedonymous Date: 27 Feb 22 - 02:43 PM The best thing I know on the mess literature surrounding this song and its relatives is the 2018 Katherine Briggs Lecture by Richard Jenkins, which I have read and which is available online if you look carefully enough. It is called "The Unfortunate Rake’s progress: a case-study of the construction of folklore by collectors and scholars." Some of the sources etc used b Jenkins can be seen here: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0015587X.2019.1585711?scroll=top&needAccess=true See also here: https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=46310&threadid=46310 Joyce by the way, Randy, never heard the My Jewel song; he merely published a fragment sent to an antiquarian in a letter. A set of inaccurate liner notes written by Goldstein and a character called Bert Lloyd account for a lot of the nonsense written about this song, not helped by the fact that Lloyd wrote his own versions (as folk singers do, nothing wrong with that as such).... |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: Lighter Date: 27 Feb 22 - 06:57 PM Thanks, MaJoc. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 27 Feb 22 - 07:51 PM Joyce acquired the antiquarian source of Professor Richard Jenkins. Who's sum total of My Jewel My Joy was a few lines of verse only by Mr. Aldwell of cork. Who heard air of the song about the year 1790. My Jewel My Joy was originally sent to Professor Richard Jenkins assumedly in a letter around Dec. 17, 1848,and then Joyce puts in print The mythical Rake Cycle in 1909 in which there was no other evidence other than the few lines of verse of My Jewel My Joy.I agree there are many inaccurate liner composite lyrics that implore the use of likable nonsense and there's nothing wrong with that! Years ago I read there were over 2000 reported composites of the Irish folk played by american's. Write now interested finding songs directly related to a Dr. Patrick Donnelly aka Phelim Brady from 1697 and his passing in 1717 onward toward 1790 My Jewel, My Joy, don't trouble me with the drum aka "The Streets of Laredo" |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 27 Feb 22 - 08:15 PM https://youtu.be/MJPxNjLRhEM When I think of Frank Maynard the Author of aka "The Streets of Laredo" I think of his song that started out in a bar-room in Dodge City, and him not having a clue of it being one tune and two songs of a Bishop and a Ranger aka Cowboy. Listen to this Melody on a old time Saloon Piano. Fantastic |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: GUEST,Psuedonymous Date: 28 Feb 22 - 05:21 PM Hello Randy To clarify William Forde, of Cork, was a 19th century musician and antiquarian, who collected songs and tunes, though his main interest was in tunes (5). He was sent a piece which came to be called My Jewel, My Joy by one Mr Aldwell, who claimed to have heard it sung in Cork in 1790. It seems Mr Aldwell sent a written version of it, one verse and some music, also set down. But I am not sure there is even clarity about that. Forde's papers were later acquired by another song collector, P W Joyce. In 1909, Joyce published a selection from Forde's collection, and, eventually, donated Forde's materials to The Irish Academy (6). As My Jewel My Joy was one of the Forde songs selected by Joyce, we can find the title, the words of the single verse provided by the informant, and the tune, in the selection published by Joyce in Boston in 1909 and now also available on the Internet. Joyce's publication is sometimes cited as if Joyce collected the song , but he didn't. Richard Jenkins comes into it as much later he asked a friend/colleague to look through the Forde material in the Irish archive. Sadly they could not find anything relating to this song. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 02 Mar 22 - 06:45 PM https://youtu.be/QAf2jTkXL0A https://youtu.be/W07SXadlFyU< Thank you for the correction, yes to bad. Dear Guest Please let me know what you have found about the melody "BARD of ARMAGH" same melody was put on 78 disc in 1920 by John McCormack and IMO was the first link of the best traditional Irish folk melody of The Bard of Armagh which has been historically linked to The Dying Cowboy aka The Streets of Laredo. The lyrics were penned in 1876, by Francis Henry Maynard. Which IMO made him the first original cowboy lyrical song author to be copyrighted. Which links him to Vince Gill, who my have not like so many ever heard of the Irish burial of Dr. Patrick Donnelly. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 04 Mar 22 - 02:44 AM https://youtu.be/2scL1BSL5dc Version of 'F.H. Maynard "The Dying Cowboy" recorded by Dick Devall on Sunday Oct. 13, 1929 in Dallas Texas for Victor Records. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Dying Cowboy From: RandyL Date: 04 Mar 22 - 04:38 AM Disclaimer: By permission of author Jim Hoy Anyway in 1876 a young man came to Kansas from Iowa at the age of sixteen or seventeen in 1870. He became a cowboy a year or two later. He was herding cattle wintering cattle on the Indian Territory-Kansas Line, south west of medicine lodge in the winter of 1875/1876.He wrote his memoirs in 1886, and then he noted that "all the boys in the camp" He said, "Were singing the song about the bad girl" He said I had always tried to write poems, "so I decided to make it about the cowboy, and I made the main character a ranger." By "Ranger" He did not mean a lawman, a Texas Ranger, he meant someone who rides the range, a cowboy. He said, "I made the main character a ranger, and I set it at Big Tom Sherman's barroom, out in Dodge City". He said, "The boys around the camp liked my song, and they started singing it that spring, when we took our cattle up to Wichita to ship out." Wichita was still a cowtown at that point. |
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