BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?

Subject: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 17 Feb 01 - 11:30 AM

What then is St. Patrick all about!? Check here to update yourself concerning the saint! Also lots of songs and verses for use on the celebration day! Just Click here for St. Pat!

What do you know about Ireland then? Click to find out! Get ready for the day and to shine in the glory of your knowledge!

Conrad

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: Sarah the flute
Date: 17 Feb 01 - 11:35 AM

Since you know lots about Ireland Conrad can you help me out with the request I posted on ceilidh dance steps. It would be a real help. It's not like I'm panicking about the imminent approach of Sat 17th March ....or am I?

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 11:17 AM

so few really know anything about him! take a leuk!

Cb

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: sledge
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 11:25 AM

He was English.

:)

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: JedMarum
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 11:36 AM

Roman educated, for half his youth, then self educated as a forced labor shepherd ...

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 12:18 PM

But what he really knew he brought from home!

CB

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: NancyZ
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 01:44 PM

He was indeed English, and I believe kidnapped by the Irish and forced into labor as a shepard. He eventually made an escape where he nearly starved to death, but the experience help him find and draw upon inner strength and God to help him survive. He made it back to England and later returned to Ireland...... and made a huge impact!

Today we celebrate St Patricks Day in America by drinking green beer, which Im certain even St Patrick would consider an abomination to do to perfectly good brew!

That's all I know! cheers, Nan

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: Melani
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 01:49 PM

Speak for yourself. I NEVER drink green beer.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: Katcina
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 01:57 PM

More great stuff.

Thanks again CB!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: GUEST,Nat
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 01:58 PM

Isn't it supposed to be black?

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: sian, west wales
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 04:06 PM

He wasn't English ... he was Welsh! We all know that!

sian, west wales

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: Bugsy
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 08:44 PM

I think he's dead.

CHeers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: Rollo
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 09:05 PM

This monk must have been a brawling bastard with a big fist to club catholic religion into these stubborn irish heads on one by one, otherwise they wouldn't love him so much! *VBG*

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: guest(intruder-inactive)
Date: 18 Feb 01 - 09:06 PM

he drave de snakes outter ireland
a braw feat since

there were nae bloody snakes there in the first place

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: Fiolar
Date: 19 Feb 01 - 06:52 AM

Come on guys. He was neither English nor Welsh. These terms did not exist for many years later. The word "Welsh" is derived from a Germanic word "Waelisc" meaning "foreigner" as that was what the invading Saxons considered the remnants of the Celtic tribes who lived in the western part of Britain. Patrick or Succat to give him his Celtic name was if anything Romano-British.There is even a dispute as to where he was born anywhere from what is now South Wales to what is now Dumbartonshire.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 19 Feb 01 - 07:57 AM

Oh bugger. I thought he was French.

Kris

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Feb 01 - 11:07 AM

Well, they named him after me!!! I notice no one has named a saint after Conrad..................

Spaw (Patrick)

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 19 Feb 01 - 11:08 AM

Its all here you bickering folk! Go and feast upon the word made html! Just click right here

And when you do that you should probably brush up on your Irish knowledge. Take the short quiz.

Click to test the brain cells!

Conrad

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: GUEST,Fibula Mattock
Date: 19 Feb 01 - 11:29 AM

Can I do the oft-repeated joke now?
What did St. Patrick say when he was driving the snakes out of Ireland?
"Are you all right in the back there, lads?"

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: mousethief
Date: 19 Feb 01 - 01:44 PM

I know there is a legend that he made some sort of "deal" with God such that St. P. will not enter Heaven until all the Irish are in.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: Fiolar
Date: 19 Feb 01 - 02:27 PM

To Mousethief. No! The legend is that he will be the judge of the Irish on Judgement day.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 19 Feb 01 - 02:39 PM

Well God help us then...I wish he'd stayed in England or Wales or France or where ever the hell else he was supposed to be from and left us very well alone. Den

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 19 Feb 01 - 10:41 PM

There were 3 englishman in a pub trying to pick a fight with an Irishman, who was trying to drink his pint in peace. The first told him "So did you know that St. Patrick was a homosexual?"
The Paddy replies "No, I hadn't heard that.", and goes back to his beer. The second tries harder by adding " Do you know that St Pat was a crossdressing homosexual?" Once again, the Irishman answers "No, I didn't know that." The third englishman adds in "And did you know that St. Patrick was English" The Irishman replies "Yeah, that's what your two friends were just saying."



So the story goes that St Patrick was an englishman who was captured and enslaved by the Irish. The Irish didn't feel the least bit guilty about this, so St. Patrick brought Catholicism to the Irish and they've felt guilty ever since.

Rich

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall)
Date: 19 Feb 01 - 10:56 PM

I was playing accompaniment at a céilí last week when in the middle of the Gay Gordons, the fiddler suddenly slipped from "Scotland the Brave" to what I thought sounded suspiciously like "Jesus loves the little children" played as a march. I asked him about it after the dance ended, and he told me the melody was "God Save Ireland" and that "They (Lutherans?) stole it from us!" I might be sceptical but the fiddler in question has been playing for dancers forever, came here from Donegal, and generally has a lot of credibility around here.

Well, I thought it was interesting.

Rich

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 20 Feb 01 - 02:00 PM

Yes indeed! Top points for that one! There is a song to that tune called by that name but where it came from or where it is I do not know. I seem to remember that it had something to do with football music or is sung at games...

Cb

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: GUEST,calpagan
Date: 20 Feb 01 - 07:27 PM

I was told that it wasn't really the snakes he drove out of Ireland,but rather the Pagans (you know all those druidic types, etc...). Saved Ireland from its native spirituality and brought Christianity for which generations of recovering Irish Catholics are eternally grateful!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: GUEST,Snakes
Date: 23 Feb 01 - 10:30 AM

and don't forget that the 18th of march is bring back the snakes day!

Snakes!

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 01 - 11:28 AM

A far as aI know, he wasn't English, but Briton, which a te the time meant...Cymru, that is to say Welsh. He is indeed told to have been roman educated. Cheers Davide

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: *#1 PEASANT*
Date: 23 Feb 01 - 12:59 PM

He may have been roman educated but he was not roman cat licked! Pure celtic church our Patrick!

CB

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: GUEST,Merlin
Date: 15 Mar 01 - 06:03 PM

He was a Briton who was captured by king Niall of the Nine Hostages, and was an enslaved shepard for six years, possibly in Antrim. He escaped to Gaul(France), and became a priest. During his years as a slave he became convinced it was his duty to convert the Irish to Christianity. He managed to do so while respecting old customs and beliefs, and could teach a few things to latter day missonaries.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: gnu
Date: 15 Mar 01 - 06:26 PM

What amazes me is that he was actually able to get the snake thing done, what with all the proposals, environmental impact assessments, socio-economic studies, cost-benefit analyses, the works. Not to mention all the tree hugging environmentalists. Imagine if The Crocodile Hunter had been there.... CRIKEY (sp?) !!!!!

He must have had a cool deal with the anti-venum dealer !!!! And I guess he must have had the right courier, too !

gnu

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: GUEST,Anon2
Date: 15 Mar 01 - 06:55 PM

Merlin, mostly he taught them what not to do. He made very few converts, except for the press, who gave him good reviews (A for effort).

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: mousethief
Date: 15 Mar 01 - 06:57 PM

Speaking about culutural sensitivity: a lovely job was done by the first Russian missionaries in Alaska of teaching the natives about their religion, while incorporating parts of the local customs and such into it.

Then the "Americans" came up from the lower 48 and did their very best to smash the local "heathen" culture and "americanize" them.

Sigh.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: GUEST,Anon2
Date: 15 Mar 01 - 09:36 PM

By the way, Merlin, your name was Myrddin until Geoffrey of Monmouth fouled things up, as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 15 Mar 01 - 09:47 PM

He was born on 17th March...and liked dancing and drinking Guinness and falling down which is why people in Ireland (and other countries too) Drink lots of Guinness and Dance a lot and then fall down...It's called having St Patrick's daze....

I read this in a newspaper so it must be true.

Spot.

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 04:58 AM

The Wordsworth Dictionary of Saints gives:
"Patrick's exact birthplace is unclear; it is thought to have been somewhere between the mouths of the Severn and the Clyde, but some claim he was born at Bolougne-sur-mer or at Kilpatrick, near Dunbarton.
His father Calpurnius was a Romano-British official and deacon and his grandfather was a Christian priest. He was carried off to slavery in Ireland by a raiding party when 16."

Subject: RE: BS: What Do you know about St. Patrick?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 10:37 AM

There's little evidece that Patrick ever existed at all. Primary proof of his "existence" is derrived from his autobiography which was "discovered" hundreds of years after his time. Little, if anything can be pulled out of contemporary reports. Add to that the Church's penchant for writing the histories of saints (many of which likely never existed either) and you have a wonderful legend that has little basis in fact.