Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'

Subject: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From:
Date: 24 Mar 02 - 02:31 PM

I am an Argentine English teacher seeking information (not lyrics - I've got them)about this song. Anything will be of value to me. My students listened to it and couldn't believe so many historical references of our history in an Irish(?) song, and started asking about author, when it was written, why and only then did I realise I knew nothing about it. I guess there must be somebody out there who can help me. Thanks in advance. Kindest regards. Claudia Sanchez Argentina

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: masato sakurai
Date: 24 Mar 02 - 08:53 PM

Admiral William Brown in the Forum (Lyrics link for other people).

Sorry, I don't know who wrote the song. There are several sites on Admiral William Brown himself.

Catholic Encyclopedia: William Brown

William Brown> (Foxford, Mayo site)

THE LIFE OF ADMIRAL WILLIAM BROWN (1777 - 1857) (Irish Stamps Online)

Bibliographic info (from HERE):

Guillermo Brown, Memorias del Almirante Brown (Buenos Aires: Academia Nacional de la Historia, 1957). Documents from Argentina's Naval Archives published by National Commission of Homage to Admiral William Brown on the centenary of his death. Includes account by Brown of his controversial privateering raids in the Pacific, 1815-1816, with his brother M. Mac Brown and Captain Hipolito Bouchard.

~Masato

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: InOBU
Date: 25 Mar 02 - 05:15 AM

We Irish tend to be very proud of our victories in other armies and navy's as we have had so few of of the same in our own! Cheers, Larry

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: Airto
Date: 25 Mar 02 - 10:38 AM

The story of Admiral Brown is quite well known in Ireland, and a biography was published a few years ago. I don't know anything about the song, but to judge from the last verse it was written around the time of the recent war over the Falklands/Malvinas between Argentina and the UK.

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: claudiagsh
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 09:28 AM

Thanks to all the people who answered to my message but what I need is specific information about he song itself not William Brown or his life (we learn about Guillermo Brown in Argentine history, here any encyclopedia or dictionary has inf. about him) thanks anyway.

My question (there it goes again)was: does anybody know anything about the song and its author? Any anecdotes something curious about it? Has it been performed in public?... audience's reaction? My studets are teens and they asked for details after listening to the song which they really enjoyed and were certainly surpised lo hear Malvinas not Falkland.

Thanks again to everybody.

(waiting for answers :)

Claudia from Argentina

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: Big Tim
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 02:30 PM

Claudia: can I ask you something almost completely unrelated. I believe there is a football team in Argentine named after another famous Irishman Patrick Sarsfield. I saw a report recently that they drew with Rio Plata in the league decider. I tried emailing the club but some technical problem crept in. Do you know anything about the Sarsfield club? Sorry I can't help with your enquiry.

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 02:56 PM

Sorry to disappoint you Big Tim but that Sarsfields teams is named after an Englishman. I believe he was working in the Argentine at or around the turn of the last Century and he then introduced the locals to the game. The O`Higgins Club in Chile is named after Bernardo O`Higgins the famous revolutnary. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: GUEST,jjohara presidente sociedad almirante brown
Date: 28 Mar 02 - 08:19 PM

hola if you have a look at most of the songs of the wolfe tones they are nationilist this song has been sang by them any many others in ireland send me your e mail address and i will send you more info i am a founding member of an organization called amigos foxfordybuenoaries i sure ill have lots more info for you muchos saludos jj [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: Big Tim
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 01:11 AM

An Englishman named Sarsfield: don't believe it!

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha.
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 08:25 AM

Big Tim, Don`t bet on it, it is true, Sarsfield was his name and if I remember correctly Sarsfield was an English Athletic Coach a few years ago. as I say, don`t put your house on it. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: Big Tim
Date: 29 Mar 02 - 02:14 PM

Only kidding Ard - wasn't Lord Lucan was it! (Patrick Sarsfield's title).

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: claudiagsh
Date: 30 Mar 02 - 10:56 AM

jjohara: my e-mail is [e-mail] I tried to e-mail at the address at the bottom of ypur message, bounced back twice. Thanks

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: claudiagsh
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 08:30 AM

This is for Big Tim from Argentina

Velez Sarfield is a football club originated in the neighbourhood called Velez Sarfield. In our history there was a Dalmacio Velez Sarfield (1800-1875) who wrote the civil code (I don't know if that's the word: a book containing all the laws applying to ordinary members of a community) and was co-author of the commerce code (?)He was born in a provice of Argentina (Córdoba). I don't know about ascendants, they might be one of the ones you and the other people mention. Several football clubs have names of the neighbourhoods where they got formed. Boca Juniors (the "barrio de la Boca") River Plate because the stadium is very near the "Río de la Plata", Chacarita, etc. I hope this is 'enlightening' to you. If any doubts crop up I'll be too pleased to answer them while I'm waiting for my answers about Wolfe Tones.

PS:Ahhh! by the way: Country name: Argentina. Nationality: Argentine or Argentinian(I don't mean to be nasty OK? ;) )

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: claudiagsh
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 09:36 AM

I'm sorry I skipped the 's' SARSFIELD that's it

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: GUEST,Furboot
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 07:35 PM

Claudia

you can try emailing Brian Warfield,a member of the Wolfe Tones, direct from this site (scroll to the very bottom of the page) http://www.wolfetonesofficialsite.com/famine.htm

He might be able to tell you some history of the song

GMK

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: claudiagsh
Date: 01 Apr 02 - 11:23 AM

Thanks, I'll try. I tried to contact them through their address but my messages bounced back, could never reach them.

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: Big Tim
Date: 01 Apr 02 - 12:20 PM

Claudia: I've been away for 3 days visiting family at Easter. Thanks for the information. Your Sarsfield was probably named after the original Patrick Sarsfield, Irish hero, died 1703. Thanks again and all the best to you there in Argentina.

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: claudiagsh
Date: 01 Apr 02 - 11:46 PM

Maybe, but we don't trace back famous people unless it is really necessary. In case I come across something I'll let you know

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha,
Date: 02 Apr 02 - 07:33 AM

Tim, As I have already said dont put your house on Velez Sarsfields being named after oul Paddy of Limerick fame. I was also of the opinion that the team was named after our hero, I checked this out a number of years ago and found that the Club was named after an Englishman.Ard Mhacha.

Subject: Sarsfield
From: GUEST,Edmundo Murray
Date: 28 Nov 02 - 10:10 AM

Claudia & Friends,

Dalmacio Velez Sarsfield did have Irish ancestry. His mother Rose Sarsfield was a daughter of George Sarsfield, who was born in Ireland and arrived to Córdoba, Argentina, in the 1750s. According to E. Udaondo, he was related to Patrick Sarsfield.

Ref. soccer, other clubs with Irish names are O'Higgins, Villa Fox, O'Connor, Murphy, Amstrong, ...

Good cheers... Edmundo

Subject: RE: Review: Wolfe Tones 'Admiral William Brown'
From: Big Tim
Date: 28 Nov 02 - 02:37 PM

It seems pretty certain that anyone bearing the Sarsfield name is bound to have an Irish connection, no matter how far back. The name itself is Anglo-Norman, that is originally French: like Fitzgerald, Fitzpatrick, Burke, etc. They invaded Ireland and conquered it but eventually became "more Irish than the Irish".

Good cheers to all.