BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Subject: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: blt
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 10:45 PM

I'm writing this because I did a quick search of the Forum and couldn't find a thread that addresses it. If there is one, please let me know the thread title so I can read it. A friend sent me an email about Rep. Cynthia McKinney's statements concerning connections between the Bush regime and the Bin Laden family, including possible prior knowledge or warning of the attacks on 9/11. I hadn't heard this perspective before but it seems that it was in the European press not long after the actual attacks occurred. Rep. McKinney's statement, made on 4/20/02, describes the enormous profits gleaned from the increase in "Defense" contracts, benefiting the Bush family, among others. Rep. McKinney is now being villified or marginalized (or both) in the corporate press in the US--big surprise--so I'm curious. If anyone knows of websites that discuss this in more detail or other resources to check this out, I would appreciate knowing about them. Thanks,

blt

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: GUEST,Billy
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 11:10 PM

Ceck out the Jeff Rense site at www.rense.com

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: little john cameron
Date: 24 Apr 02 - 11:16 PM

http://www.geocities.com/burningbush2000/3.html

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: blt
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 01:03 AM

The geocities.com site is worth spending time wading through, the rense.com site seemed pretty useless to me. I still don't get any clear sense of documented reports on Bush knowing about attacks in advance. What's clear is the dirty politics/money connection between the CIA, the Bushes and their buddies, and Bin Laden. Although that's quite disturbing enough, I'm still curious. I'm not wanting to support false information but I'd really like to know more.

blt

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: Troll
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 02:25 AM

McKinney said, when pressed, that she had no proof but "it could have happened." troll

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 04:04 AM

Reichstagg fire repeat?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 07:16 AM

Islamic terrorists are mere pawns in a far more sinister plot including U.S.'s highest officials to establish global socialist police state

from one of the many conspiracy sites. I usually stop reading after such a sentence.

Reichstag fire repetition is also an idea that makes me grin. It implies that the 19 terrorists were not perpetrators but victims or that they were not on board after all and that the phone calls from the planes were faked and that the videos now found were faked and and and...I'd rather believe that the moon landings were faked.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: Troll
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 12:21 PM

blt, of course there are money connections between the Bush family and the bin Laden family. Both families are wealthy and both have dealings in the oil industry. It would be nothing short of amazing if they did NOT own or have options on some of the same oil leases.
That's the nature of the oil business.
But a conspiracy theorist can take the most innocent bit of information and twist it to mean something monstrous.
For instance, "Potatoes are deadly. Need proof? Every single person who ate potatoes at Crocketts Tavern in Greenville, Tn. are now dead including the proprietor."
What they don't tell you is that the tavern closed long before the owner- one David Crockett- left Tennessee to die at the Alamo in Texas.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: PeteBoom
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 04:09 PM

Hold on there Wolfgang - Are you suggesting that the moon landings were NOT faked?

Pete

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: Wincing Devil
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 04:13 PM

Here's a thread on some nut case who says that no plane hit the Pentagon.

No matter what happens, someone will try to stir the pot.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: Charley Noble
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 05:26 PM

Just possibly someone in the CIA or Whatever may have suspected something was going to happen 9/11, and if you stretch it, someone may even have thought there would be a plane hijacking. The plan that was so successfully implemented went far beyond such alleged suspicions.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: DougR
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 07:15 PM

blt: you cannot find proof of Mckinney's statement, because there is none. Simple. But some folks don't like to be confused by facts.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: artbrooks
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 07:20 PM

I looked at this stuff...so where is the connection to OSAMA bin Laden?

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Apr 02 - 07:57 PM

However difficult, 'ol bobert is gonna have to agree with DougR on this one. Junior ain't smart enough to be an active co-conspirator. A puppet? Sure. A gopher for the military industrial complex? Sure.

Had he knowledge, he would have carried around a sneaky smile in the days before 9-11 rather than his usual smirk. 9-11 saved his presidency and created a means to ram his sponsors right wing agenda down a lot of throats. And they are still having him do it, with no end in sight.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: blt
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 01:01 AM

Thanks (I think, still wondering what Davy Crockett and potatoes have to do with the Bush family).

blt

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: Stephen L. Rich
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 01:38 AM

It was evil, communist penguins in league with Islamic carrots!! Everyone knows that! :-))

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: GUEST,Crazy Eddie
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 03:09 AM

Doug R
"blt: you cannot find proof of Mckinney's statement, because there is none. Simple. But some folks don't like to be confused by facts. But if we can't find proof, that proves it must be a conspiracy!

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: Troll
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 08:52 AM

I guess that what I was trying to point out, blt, is that the fact that the Bush family and the bin Laden family may have business connections doesn't mean that George and Osama were in cahoots. You have to know the whole story first and conspiracy theorists rarely give all the facts. They just point out the ones that support their position.
If your retirement plan owns stock in a company that the bin Laden family owns stock in, does that mean that you are guilty of complicity in 9/11?
That is basically what Cynthia McKinney is suggesting.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: Troll
Date: 26 Apr 02 - 09:34 AM

Here is a portion of a column about Rep. McKinney by Kathleen parker of the orlando Sentinel.
"We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th," said McKinney during a recent interview with a Berkeley, Calif., radio station. "What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? What do they have to hide? Since making her radio comments, McKinney has backtracked a few steps. "I am not aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9-11," she said. "A complete investigation might reveal that to be the case."

"Might" is a mighty big word when you're accusing the president of the United States of being a mass murderer and of otherwise helping kindle World War III. A complete investigation also might prove that McKinney has been dropping acid and living with cross-dressing dental hygienists under the Brooklyn Bridge (not that there's anything wrong with that), but then again, it might not.

McKinney's conspiracy theory apparently evolved from her sense that (follow closely) because former President George H.W. Bush, father of the current president, is an adviser to a Washington-based investment firm, the Carlyle Group -- and because Carlyle Group investors have been enriched by the war on terrorism owing to their partial ownership of a military contractor -- Bingo! Dubya obviously permitted suicidal Islamic fanatics to bring down the World Trade Center towers and part of the Pentagon.
See what I mean?

troll

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: blt
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 12:58 AM

However, isn't it interesting that the media spotlight is now on what the FBI and CIA and NSA knew, and when they knew it? Bush is clearly being portrayed as out of the loop (which is probably close to the truth). Maybe the nastier story is the gross incompetence of the US intelligence system.

blt

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 08:10 AM

I'm the person who originally posted the conspiracy theory website link referred to above. I'm also the person who posted a follow-up of the Satirewire.com article. Nonetheless, people STILL continued to take the "fake attack" seriously.

In my mind, there was an attack with airplanes on the US on 9/11. That occurred, no doubt in my mind, at all.

But what isn't clear at all is who was responsible for it.

And if the responsibility does lie near or within the Bin Laden family, shouldn't we know if the US president has business ties with our sworn enemy?

BTW, don't know how many of you have heard this story yet, but the Washington Post has this in today's paper:

Kuwaiti Is Suspected As 9/11 Mastermind U.S. Offers $25 Million for Capture

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62038-2002Jun5.html

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 09:43 AM

There is no more need to posit conspiracy than to posit involvement of deity/ies. Occam's Razor!

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 09:55 AM

The relationship between Bush administration members and Al Qaida need to be known, particularly when they are trying to force the US to go off blindly into a "war on terrorism" of their own making.

Now, when I say "of their own making" I don't mean for one minute that they bombed the WTC & the Pentagon. I am referring to all the Bush administration staff who were also members of the Reagan/Bush1 administration's "war on communism" in Afghanistan, who backed Bin Laden and Al Qaida.

Which happens to also have a whole lot to do with the CIA, which Dumbya's daddy used to head up.

And let us not forget the "arms for hostages" deals as well, which also remains a strong influence on current policy in the region.

Subject: RE: BS: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories
From: GUEST,Brent from Trent
Date: 05 Jun 02 - 10:02 AM

And this article found it's way into today's New Zealand Herald:

Air Force officer suspended after criticising Bush

05.06.2002 4.25 pm

MONTEREY, California - A US Air Force officer has been suspended from duty after he wrote a letter to a California newspaper accusing President George W Bush of allowing the September 11 attacks to happen "because he needed this war on terrorism", a military official said today.

Lieutenant Colonel Steve Butler was relieved of his duties as vice chancellor for student affairs at the Defence Language Institute pending an investigation into his letter, which was published in the Monterey County Herald on May 26, a military spokesman said.

Butler's letter accused Bush -- the commander in chief of the US armed forces -- of allowing the September 11 attacks to occur for his own political ends.

"Of course Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. His daddy had Saddam and he needed Osama," Butler's letter said.

"His presidency was going nowhere. He wasn't elected by the American people, but placed into the Oval Office by the conservative Supreme Court...the economy was sliding into the usual Republican pits and he needed something to hang his presidency on."

Butler, a 24-year Air Force veteran who served as a combat pilot during the 1990 Gulf War, was not immediately available for comment.

His wife, Shelly Butler, told the Herald that the military had given her husband "a lot of grief" over the letter and reassigned him to temporary duty at Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield, California.

She said he planned to retire in several weeks.

Butler's suspension was apparently based on Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which says that any commissioned officer who uses "contemptuous words" against the president or other senior officials may be punished by a court-martial.

The Monterey Herald said that the last Article 88 court-martial came in 1965 when an Army second lieutenant was prosecuted for taking part in an anti-war protest in Texas, although the Pentagon had "quietly issued" memos reminding officers of the Article 88 provisions after President Clinton became embroiled in the Monica Lewinsky scandal, prompting a number of articles and letters to the editor from military officers.

- REUTERS