Subject: Come to my bedside From: Date: 05 Nov 97 - 11:28 PM Come to my bedside my darling, come over here and gently shut the door. Lay your body soft and close beside me... A beautiful song, but I don't know all the words or how to find them. Help? |
Subject: Wild Bass Strait From: GUEST,chris_mason@linekey.freeserve.co.uk Date: 29 Aug 01 - 01:30 PM Dear All, I've heard a song with a repeating line "where are you my Annie" and a chorus ending with "-- watch the moon, the silent moon, light the breakers on wild Bass Strait". Can anyone tell me the name ? -- is it recorded ? I'd dearly like the words and even the dots if anyone has them to hand. Chris Mason |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Strait From: nutty Date: 29 Aug 01 - 01:34 PM The lyrics and information can be found here WILD BASS STRAIT |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Strait From: nutty Date: 29 Aug 01 - 01:37 PM E-MAIL SENT |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Strait From: GUEST,RiS Date: 29 Aug 01 - 01:38 PM Thanks Nutty I thought it sounded familiar and I was about to start looking........ |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Strait From: GUEST,dougboywonder Date: 30 Aug 01 - 09:17 AM The song is called "Anderson's coast" and the definative performance (I think anyway...) is by James Fagan and Nancy Kerr on thier CD "Steely Water". It's one of those 'journey in the car singalong chorus' songs. |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Strait From: GUEST,JohnB Date: 30 Aug 01 - 12:29 PM Well GUEST,dougboywonder, I agree wholeheartedly with your definativersion. They(James and Nancy)were in Canada this summer, I was one of the lucky one's who managed to get their CD. This is one of the best tracks on it, you just can't help singing along. All together now:- JohnB |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Strait From: BrimstoneWA Date: 31 Aug 01 - 06:11 AM You can hear the song sung by it's writer on the following CD: Pithead in the Fern, songs by John Warner. Contact Walters & Warner PO Box 615 Glebe NSW 2037 Australia The CD also includes another 19 tracks, all relating to mining. John sings with a lady called Margaret Walters and a group called Taliesin. They're very nice people - we had a house concert here in Perth a while ago. BrimstoneWA |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Strait From: Bob Bolton Date: 31 Aug 01 - 09:12 AM G'day, BrimstoneWA: John Warner and Margaret Walters work together as Walters & Warner and publish their own CDs on their label Feather & Wedge. There is a 'fan site' for them, run by Mudcat's "Mandola Man" but I don't have the URL on this machine ... and I don't need to look it up, as they both live within a long walk of my home - and I seem them pretty often. I will find the URL and post it as a 'blicky' ... early next week - unless Mandola Man pops it in first. Taleisin, sadly, have gone there separate ways ... lovely group, but there various music and job commitments have taken them apart. All of Walters & Warner CDs are worth a listen ... even the one with a cover photograph by me ... (shameless plugs dept. ... ?) Regard(les)s, Bob Bolton |
Subject: Bass Strait? From: Linda Kelly Date: 23 Sep 01 - 12:55 PM I have heard the most amazing song today at Otley Folk festival, the last line of the chorus ending in wild Bass Strait. Would live the lyrics or any ideas on who recorded/wrote it.I would imagine it is Aaustralian. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bass Strait? From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 23 Sep 01 - 01:16 PM Info and lyrics for what I assume is the song you mean are in two previous threads: |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bass Strait? From: Linda Kelly Date: 23 Sep 01 - 03:15 PM Malcolm, if it's been said once it's been said many times- you are a genius!!! Many thanks Linda |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bass Strait? From: Hamish Date: 24 Sep 01 - 03:52 AM Fantastic song: and the best version* (imho) is by Nancy Kerr and James Fagan. There's a 'mystery verse' which has appeared somewhere along the line. A fellow Tudor Folker insists on a third verse about "A mile inland... A government stockade... well-made" or some such. But when I asked James Fagan about this, he said that he'd heard of that, too, but he got the song directly from John Warner, and he didn't write it! * the second best is by me. ;^) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bass Strait? From: JudeL Date: 24 Sep 01 - 12:54 PM The "missing verse" is the one taken from the book of words that go with the pithead in the fern cd, and according to the copyright info on that booklet the words were written by John Warner, but for some reason John Warner doesn't sing that verse on the cd. The verse as written in the book is: A mile inland as our path was laid And where are you my Annie? We found a government stockade Long deserted but stoutly made Jude |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bass Strait? From: Hamish Date: 25 Sep 01 - 07:32 AM Oddly, last night at the club, Dave brought that very book in. It's a very compelling argument, with John Warner's name all over it. I guess that's the writer's perogative: to change a song as s/he sees fit. And that's why we like live music - 'cos it changes. Maybe he had the same trouble as I do of trying to get "government" to scan. (Change of subject)I remember sleeve notes for a Paul Simon album which had early drafts of "I'd rather be a hammer than a nail" and some of the discarded ideas were cringeworthy in the extreme. Not quite "I'd rather be a foot than a smelly sock", but close. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bass Strait? From: Bob Bolton Date: 25 Sep 01 - 08:28 AM G'day Hamish, I'll ask John Warner about the vanishing verse ... If Margaret Walters (his partner in the Walters & Warner lineup) has not noticed already noticed this thread. Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bass Strait? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 26 Sep 01 - 07:45 AM I'd say that might be a direct quote from a real life journal inserted by someone, since the song is based on a true story. Very likely John Warner, who might have thought it isn't really needed and holds up the song.
I don't think the prerogative to change a song just rests with the person who wrote it. (I can't see any problem in making "government" scan - depends how you pronounce it, I tend to say guv'ment, but with a slight vocalisation where that ' is.) |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bass Strait? From: Bob Bolton Date: 27 Sep 01 - 09:41 AM G'day Hamish, JudeL & McGrath, I checked with Margaret Walters (easier to catch on the 'phone than John Warner) and she says they dropped that verse because the song was, otherwise, too damned long! I see that my copy runs 5 min 15 sec without the extra verse, so that is a point! Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bass Strait? From: Herga Kitty Date: 27 Sep 01 - 05:46 PM The same goes for Kitty Kane (which I sing)- also on the Pithead in the Fern, but verse 3 is only in the book of words and not on the sound recording. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bass Strait? From: breezy Date: 27 Sep 01 - 06:08 PM but some of us need that extra verse in order to learn the chorus cos its a cracker to join in with, but takes a bit of time to get into, so does it matter about the length of the whole thing? |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bass Strait? From: Bob Bolton Date: 28 Sep 01 - 09:42 AM G'day Herga Kitty and breezy, Yeah ... well Kitty Kane" also runs to 5' 15", so they felt the song was getting out of hand ... but Margaret tells me that they leave out a verse that John feels was a bit heavy ... but Margaret quite likes (about rape and recovery). Last time Margaret tried to sing that verse ... John stopped playing guitar and left her stranded ... maybe the writer can end up too close to his own words! Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bass Strait? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Sep 01 - 10:01 AM I'd reckom that if she kept on singing, the effcet would just have been to heighten the drama of the lines. One of the things you can do to emphasise a particular verse is to stop the accompanimnet. |
Subject: Wild Bass Straight From: InOBU Date: 05 Sep 02 - 12:50 PM THe popular Halfwit sent me a CD, with this on it, I transcribed it... any one have any information on it, and notice any misheard words? Cheers, (Gud'ay to the likely answerers...) Larry
Oh Anie dear dont wait for me
Oh Bass Straight roars like some great mill race
We stole a vessle and all her gear
And somewhere west, Port Melborne lies
We fled the lash and the chaffing chain |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Sep 02 - 01:01 PM Great song. Here's a thread about it. And it's all based on a real story. |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Noreen Date: 05 Sep 02 - 01:23 PM More info about the lovely song in the following thread:Songs lost but not forgotten Am I right in thinking there's another verse, not included in the above versions, which tells more of the story of flogging across country to the government stockade (or equivalent)? Aussie bloke (Danny Spooner? Very impressed with him) sang it at the Mersey Shanty festival this year. |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: InOBU Date: 05 Sep 02 - 10:02 PM By the way... B and D... I know it is not Van Beaman's land... I wasn't even chewing gum! Hmmmm. thanks McGrath and Noreen, the Aussie Bloke mentioned above, does he live on a barge with a fiddler? Cheers Larry |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: InOBU Date: 05 Sep 02 - 10:06 PM Ah... light the breakers... thanks! I have to dig out my copy of the Fatal Shore, I used to site that in every paper I wrote on criminality and the ecconomy... Cheers again, Larry |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Bob Bolton Date: 05 Sep 02 - 11:37 PM G'day Larry, Just to be really niggledy ... It is Bass Strait ... a strait is a narrow passage of water (compared to the open ocean ... Bass Strait is about 300 kilometres wide between Tasmania and Victoria!). I must have a listen to Danny Spooner's version ... I ferried a box of some 3 or 4 of his CDs - from the Mt Victoria PO to a friend (the addressee) in the Blue Mts, behind Sydney, last weekend. Unfortunately said friend was tied up all weekend with a pre-competition residential camp for the Lithgow Brass Band ... so I won't hear the CDs until my next visit ... probably a month from now! (Well, I could ask John Warner if he has a copy of Danny's rendition ... ) Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Stewie Date: 06 Sep 02 - 12:46 AM Noreen is correct, there is an extra stanza that I have heard sung. I do not know whether it is from Warner or someone else has added it. Danny Spooner sings it in his moving rendition on his latest CD: 'Launch Out on the Deep'. The stanza comes in as third stanza before the 'Port Melbourne lies' stanza:
A mile inland our path was laid --Stewie.
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Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: DonMeixner Date: 06 Sep 02 - 01:36 AM Some time gone now I sent a bracelet to Oz. A catter down there won one in an auction. Along with the thank you she sent me "Pit Head in the Ferns" and it is truly a singular great bit of music. "Wild Bass Straight" is onr of the fine tunes in the CD. I strongly reccomend this recording. Don |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Mr Happy Date: 06 Sep 02 - 03:05 AM this is staggering! i've been searching this song for ages, then it just appears out of the blue like this! thanks everyone, i know someone else who'll be keen to get her hands on this one. |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: My guru always said Date: 06 Sep 02 - 05:18 AM This is such a wonderful song! Mick Pearce sang it at the Hollybush in Redbourn, Herts last night & it was a joy to hear everyone singing along. A classic in the making! As a matter of interest, Nancy Kerr & James Fagan have this on one of their CD's, a superb version with a stunning harmony from Nancy, wonderful stuff :-) |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Noreen Date: 06 Sep 02 - 05:38 AM Thanks, Stewie! My memory was pretty accurate, it seems :0) I too found Danny Spooner's version very moving, when he performed in Liverpool this year (with his concertina accompaniment). Hope he's back next year. |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Bob Bolton Date: 06 Sep 02 - 06:13 AM G'day Noreen, Stewie et al, I just popped Pithead in the Fern into my CD drive ... and the stanza beginning "... A mile inland ..." is not on that CD. I seem to remeber raising this with John Warner some time back and he said that, at 5'24", the track was already getting too long for most listeners ... so he left it out. I'll check with him ... but that is my memory of it! Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: InOBU Date: 06 Sep 02 - 07:58 AM Hi Bob... it is the Kerr and Fagen version the Popular Halfwit sent me. Do tell John Warner from me, long is no problem, you want this song to go on forever. Cheers - Larry |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 06 Sep 02 - 10:17 AM Hello, folks Bob Danny Spooner will be at Jamberoo & I have the CD with John's song on it - signed by Danny, naturally. Do you want to borrow it? Or can you wait till next weekend when he will be at Jamberoo, or even the following one when he will be in Sydney at Almost Acoustic. I was going to be travelling to Jamberoo with John, except he can't make it (phooey, not only do I lose a ride, & good company, but the Festival loses a good voice in the sessions). I'll pass on all these good comments to him - tho as my printer is lacking ink, maybe you can print them up Bob & I'll get them during the week. InOBU You are thinking of James Fagan who lives on a canal boat with Nancy Fagan - James has known John's singing partner Margaret Walters since he was a baby. Have you heard the track "Songbirds" on James & Nancy's "Steely Water" (Fellside FECD145) - John & Margaret are referred to in the third verse - there is no way I can make this look like a song but I'm sure one of the wonderful Joe Clones will fix it. He crafted lines for the thankless vocations of coal & earth & grit & servitude/She told of times of toil & isolation in a wilderness of bitter solitude/They'd a rhyme for every avenue of struggle & begged the human voice to harmonise/They forged a union of strength & spirit doubled with their choruses of "Let the banners fly" Let the banners fly refers to John's song about Union Banners, & hearing 500 singers perform this song in a A'cappella concert was magic - almost as wonderful as being part of the singing of it in a session full of great singers. Noreen - http://www.dannyspooner.com/ I'm listening to Danny's CD now - I agree he is a fantastic singer & a great bloke too, I'm looking forward to seeing him next weekend & have booked him for my folk club next Feb when we will have an unaccompanied singing night - (Margaret) Walters & (John) Warner will be part of the line up (tho I'm not sure Margaret knows yet as she is touring UK). Sandra |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 06 Sep 02 - 10:46 AM Walters & Warner website - the head & shoulders picture in the Discography appears to be taken at our club! I recognise the windows. http://www.folkalpoint.freeserve.co.uk/ww/index.htm There are other pics of John in Members pictures, taken when Charley Noble visited us last year. See under events. Sandra |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Herga Kitty Date: 06 Sep 02 - 02:45 PM The song is actually called "Anderson's Coast". When John and Margaret were over a few years ago, and I bought "Pithead in the Fern" (which the Fagan family played accompaniments on) it came with a book of words. The extra verse is in there, with an asterisk indicating that it's not on the CD, and they didn't usually sing it because it made the song too long. Similarly, there is an extra verse to "Kitty Kane" (which I sing). kitty |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: michaelr Date: 06 Sep 02 - 06:47 PM Is there a MIDI somewhere of "Anderson's Coast"? Love the lyrics. Cheers, Michael |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: DonMeixner Date: 06 Sep 02 - 09:48 PM Kitty, Would you post that verse to "Kitty"? Don |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: rich-joy Date: 06 Sep 02 - 10:56 PM Sandra, are you able to post the lyrics of John's Union Banners song - my Partner has been after that one since he heard John do it at Woodford, a coupla years back - stirring stuff!!! Cheers! R-J PS Hearing Margaret Walters do "Dear Diary" (from that "Pithead in the Fern" CD) at the Woodford workshop really made me weep - she has a wonderfully emotive voice!! |
Subject: Lyr Add: BRING OUT THE BANNERS (John Warner) From: Herga Kitty Date: 07 Sep 02 - 06:04 AM Here's
BRING OUT THE BANNERS (John Warner 14/6/97)
(Tune: Oxford or See Amid The Winter's Snow, John Goss 1800-1880)
In faded photo, like a dream,
Ch/ Bring out the banners once again,
I've seen those banners richly made
Boilermakers, smiths and cooks,
They won their eight-hour working day,
Today, when those who rule divide, "Kitty Kane" to follow |
Subject: Lyr Add: KITTY KANE (John Warner) From: Herga Kitty Date: 07 Sep 02 - 06:24 AM Here's Kitty Kane, with the additional second verse (which is pretty powerful, even if it does make the song very long). I sang this at the Wareham Wail a week ago, and hardened male Middle Bar singers said it brought tears to their eyes, never mind the female MBS): KITTY KANE - John Warner 8/11/93
I came up the Thomson with thousands of others
Chorus:
I might take a walk by the wild Thomson River
[*As the wealth from the mining flowed into the valley,
The publican brought a piano from Melbourne,
There were schemers and sailors and boozy old diggers
I've heard the men singing down at the piano,
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Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Bob Bolton Date: 07 Sep 02 - 07:57 AM G'day Larry (InOBU), John confirmed that he had dropped the verse to keep the song to manageable proportions on the CD. He wrote the song, like many of his songs, much longer and then edited back ... a sort of "folk process" in overdrive! He suggested that, particularly in the English session signing, he could well see that all those extra verses would be appreciated ... that's why they did appear in margaret's booklet. (In fact, the text of the booklet should be somewhere on this hard drive, since Margeret had me read it before publication ... somewhere ... ) Regards, Bob Bolton |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 07 Sep 02 - 11:02 AM I sent this link to Margaret yesterday & she appreciated the comments made & I'm sure will also appreciate Rich-Joy's comments.
The next festival margaret is visiting is the Bromyard Folk Festival & I'm sure she has assorted CDs with her. She will be back in Sydney 19th Sept. John doesn't have e-mail, so if anyone wants to contact either of them, her address is
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Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Herga Kitty Date: 07 Sep 02 - 12:16 PM mwalters@mail.usyd.edu.au - ? Kitty |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: michaelr Date: 07 Sep 02 - 05:53 PM Is there a MIDI somewhere of "Anderson's Coast"? Love the lyrics. Cheers, Michael |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 08 Sep 02 - 08:11 AM Hello, Kitty
Thanks for adding Margaret's address
I know I included it on the bottom of my message, I wonder what happened to it.
another of life's little mysteries.
Sandra |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: rich-joy Date: 08 Sep 02 - 08:14 AM Thanks H-K for those Banner lyrics - my Partner appreciates that! Cheers! R-J |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Herga Kitty Date: 08 Sep 02 - 03:41 PM You're welcome - I just think John has written great songs that are wonderful to sing and to listen to! And I sing (and have recorded) Dear Diary (which John has heard and described as a tasty version), and it has the same effect on me when I'm singing it as one of the big ballads... Kitty |
Subject: RE: Wild Bass Straight From: Bob Bolton Date: 09 Sep 02 - 09:03 AM G'day Sandra, I suspect that you may have popped Margaret's e-mail address into "chevron" brackets ... as you would in a document or e-mail. I understand that, when you do this in an html document ... they just vanish! Just give the e-mail on a new line (to make sure people see it as separate) and it will get through. Html has all sorts of little tricks! There is a code to do this and get the correct appearance - but I have never bothered. (It is probably in the Permathread on html.) Regards, Bob Bolton |
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