N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers

Subject: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 10:44 AM

Some of us have been discussing a Mudcat Gethering in Portaferry, Co. Down, N. Ireland at the end of February 2003: Mudcat Gathering, N. Ireland, 2003?

I've contacted Barholm hostel and they've sent out some info. It looks like the weekend of Fri 28 February - 3 March 2003 is available (but liable to be booked up soon). Barholm can sleep up to 50 people in an assortment of single, double, family and group rooms. It's 12 quid per night per person, but there's a 10 per cent discount for groups of 15 or more. The conference room is 20 quid per day on top of that. The house can be booked in entirety - 750 quid for two days (pricey!!).

Anyway, they'd prefer it if a block booking was made. I can book for people, but I can't provide the deposit (being a poor broke student and all that). They want a 20 per cent non-refundable deposit with the balance paid on arrival.

Also, I've found out that the Market House in the Square can be booked at quite a resaonable price and is a good place for a bit of dancing!

So, I need to work out a plan, find out who's going, who wants accommodation, and how we can work all this out...

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: mooman
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 11:02 AM

Thanks for the dates confirmation Fibula...I will now consult the almanack and cheapo fares sites and get back to you!

All the best

moo

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: InOBU
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 02:28 PM

Hi Moo, when you get fare information, drop me an email at [e-mail], Genie and I may be going, I could drop over to Ardbo for a flying visit to see Brian O'Hannon and Co., and then down to Kerry for a quick hello... Cheers, hope to see ya's Larry

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: MudGuard
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 02:29 PM

Hello Fibula,

I want to come, I'd like to get a bed in the hostel.
Payment from Germany is also a bit of a trouble, banks tend to take a lot here for foreign currency transactions (as well as for Euro transactions outside Germany)...
So I'd prefer to pay when I am there - but if necessary I will of course pay before that.

MudGuard

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 03:44 PM

Fibs, I'm yer man on this,I'll definitely come. MudGuard I'll sort your deposit out for you if it's a problem, we can square up later. I want to take my car, so it may be cheaper for some of us to meet UK side, and all cross in one vehicle, I'll look at prices on the Stranraer ferry site.

Singing already......Giok

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: MudGuard
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 04:12 PM

Giok, thanks for the offer! You should be prepared for me taking it! ;-)
It is just that I want to avoid putting lots of money into the banks...

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 04:30 PM

Wecome Wolfgang!"!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 04:56 PM

Fibula, Fair play to you, and to anyone who has never been to this lovely wee town, you will be pleasantly surprised, by the scenery and the people. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Áine
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 06:52 PM

Hope I'm not throwing a spanner in the works; but, I won't know until the end of next week if I'll have the (insert your favorite currency here) to come. I will enquire further of Dear Hubby when he arrives at Moon on the Hill this evening about monetary arrangements -- I've gotta say he's really being a champ about my wanting to go back 'home' all by myself (again). What a fella! ;-)

-- Áine

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: diesel
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 07:15 PM

Hi Fibula

Now you have a date - I'll go ask the permission from she who must be obeyed, Back to you within few days to confirm.

When I confirm - I'll post here and then send PM for details of either address for bank draft or bank details for EFT transaction ( this will show up on your record as sent by name...easy to track.)

Euro or Stg ?

rgds

Diesel

PS thanks for this....

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 11:02 PM

I am going to do everything in my power to make it. It depends on the airfare, but I am very serious about this. And there is a very good chance that the other 4 in my band will come as well. Now that you have settled on a date, I will go to work on it and get back to you soon.

Mick

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Dec 02 - 07:06 AM

This is beginning to sound exciting......Giok

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 14 Dec 02 - 07:35 AM

Giok, what GB points will you be passing en route to Stranraer? I'd be interested in buying a seat in your motor, though it's possible I will have to go over earlier than you (24 Feb).

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Dec 02 - 09:30 AM

Fionn, I live in the highlands, so will be approaching from t'north. What I was meaning particularly was even if we only met quayside, several people in the same car may travel more cheaply.
Giok

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: InOBU
Date: 14 Dec 02 - 07:21 PM

Jeeze I haven't been on the Larne Stranraer ferry since 78! It was two quid then, I believe, of course a pint was something like sixty p!
Larry

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha.
Date: 15 Dec 02 - 07:25 AM

Larry I used that crossing in the 50s and you had to shove the cattle over to make room.
It`s all different now the cattle travel 3rd class. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: mooman
Date: 15 Dec 02 - 09:46 AM

Dear Giok,

I might fly into Glasgow-Prestwick as I can get a good cheap deal on that route.

Any chance I might be able to rent a seat in your car or would that be out of the way for you?

Very best regards,

moo

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: mooman
Date: 15 Dec 02 - 12:48 PM

Dear Fibula,

Lady McMoo (of Tyrone origins) is also interested now as well as myself so if we can work out the travel that would be a double room in the hostel for the two of us. I'll confirm as soon as I can.

Best regards,

moo

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Dec 02 - 12:53 PM

Yep Prestwick would not be out of the question.
Giok

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Morticia
Date: 15 Dec 02 - 02:49 PM

I plan on being there, and expect I will be driving...I think cat and Micca have two of the spare seats so that leaves one for comfort or two for extra friendly people available.Fibs, if you PM me your address, I can send you some dosh to cover the deposit.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 16 Dec 02 - 12:34 PM

I'm at work and will write more later, but get an email address or web site for each of the hotels. If I can't contact them directly and give them a credit card number, then I can send you or them a check to hold the room(s). Like Big Mick, I'm set on coming...

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 16 Dec 02 - 01:45 PM

Oh, and by the way, could you give us 'mericans a hint of the weather to be expected... so Mick and I can pick out the most appropriate T-shirts to wear...

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Dec 02 - 03:59 PM

Wear what T shirts you like 3 or 4 at a time. It will be more Connecticut than California.
Giok

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 16 Dec 02 - 04:34 PM

Well that was a bit of a help... but if someone could give us an idea of the weather, ie: Does anyone know what the climate will be in fahrenheit? Amount of rain at that time of year? Blood alcohol content necessary to ward off chills? What is the snow situation (needed only for driving information.)

My plan is to land at Dublin and rent a car to drive north. I am still deciding whether to come a few days earlier or stay a few days later, but I will ensure that I'm there for the weekend. I will advise more as I figure it out...

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 16 Dec 02 - 05:47 PM

Count Paul and I in. Please pm me the phone number/address of the hostel so that we can book 2 places. Don't yet know if we'll be flying from gatwick/stanstead or driving and taking the ferry.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Dec 02 - 07:58 PM

Why don't you good folks just post the hostel info. I am trying to talk Wyo Woman into coming. Hey Jeri,.............how bout it? This would be a great ramble and the rates are right.

Jed...........give it some thought, bud.

Mick

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Leadfingers
Date: 16 Dec 02 - 08:07 PM

Like the Idea . Will check on the details but (I think you cab pencel me in for a bed etc.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: momnopp
Date: 16 Dec 02 - 08:14 PM

OK, so now I have to figure out whether to take Dylan out of school for a week or figure out how to have him hang around and get taken care of...are people more likely to come early or stay late? If I'm coming, I'm not just coming for a weekend...

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: momnopp
Date: 16 Dec 02 - 11:37 PM

Well, now you all have gone and done it -- you've got me thinking (always a dangerous thing) and as I consider it, I can't possibly leave Dylan (age 13) at home! He and I will have to learn about schools in the area so he can meet people his own age -- maybe even go to school for a couple of days. From what I see, he'll get more "learning" from a week of wandering in Ireland than he probably gets in a year in a "classroom" anyway.

Any other brave souls carting along a young person?

I guess I had better look into things like passports...sheesh!

~grinning from ear to ear~

JudyO

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 05:41 AM

There seems to be more response from abroad than from within Ireland – at least 5 people (I think it's more) are very seriously considering travelling all the way from N America. Well, I suppose that the Mudcatters in Ireland don't need to plan so much in advance. I wonder is 'Fibula' getting many personal messages about the proposed weekend?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 06:03 AM

hello, hello - I've just got back on here after a week of hectic work and Mudcat being down every time I got a spare moment.

I'm glad there's still so much interest. I'm beginning to think maybe it would be easiest if I posted all the hostel info (configuration of rooms etc.) and people booked for themselves. This might be easiest since we're probably not going to fill the whole hostel.

I'll get back to you all with information. To those of you who PM'd me - sorry for the delay in replying, but I'll get back to you!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 06:57 AM

Rather than me trying to co-ordinate payments for deposits and arrange rooms etc., it would be better if those wishing to stay in Barholm could book directly with the hostel. All the relevant information is below.

Date:
Friday 28 February - 3 March 2003

Hostel information:
Barholm Budget Self-catering Accommodation
http://www.barholmportaferry.co.uk/

11 The Strand, Portaferry, Co Down, N. Ireland, BT22 lPF
Telephone & [phone] Fax [phone]
Email Reservations & Inquiries: [e-mail]

£12.00 GBP per person per night
Self-catering with fully-equipped kitchen, or meals can also be booked with the caterers for an extra charge.

Room 2 - sleeps 3/4 (3 single beds, visitor bed if required)
Room 3 - sleeps 2 (double bed, visitor bed if required)
Room 4 - sleeps 1 (single bed)
Room 5 - sleeps 4/5 (two single beds, set of bunk beds, visitor bed if required)
Room 6 - sleeps 1 (single bed)
Room 7 - sleeps 2/3 (one double bed and one single bed if required)
Room 8 - sleeps 3 (one double bed and one single bed)
Room 9 - sleeps 3 (one double bed and one single bed)
Room 10 - sleeps 1 (one single bed)
Room 11 - sleeps 7/9 (three single beds, two sets of bunk beds and two visitor beds if required)
Room 12 - sleeps 5/7 (three single beds, one set of bunk beds and two visitor beds if required)
Room 13 - sleeps 4 (one double bed, two single beds, visitor bed if required)
Room 14 - sleeps 4 (two single beds, one set of bunk beds)

Information from the previous thread:

Map:
multimap

To: Ireland from: USA, Europe, rest of the world.
Fly to Dublin or Belfast via London - Belfast City airport 30 miles (48Km) Belfast International 50 miles (80Km) from Portaferry.   
Both airports have regularly bus services into Belfast city centre.

To: Portaferry from: Belfast
Follow the A20 through Newtownards, Grayabbey, Kircubbin then Portaferry.   

To: Portaferry from: Dublin
Follow signs for The North/Newry, then through Downpatrick to Strangford - a 5 minute ferry crossing then takes you to Portaferry.

Ferry Crossings from Strangford - a half-hourly service runs every day, except Christmas Day - only very extreme weather conditions affect crossings.
Times are as follows: - for departures from Portaferry ADD 15 minutes.
First Sailing - Mon-Fri 07:30 Sat 08:00 Sun 09:30
Last Sailing - Mon-Fri 22:30 Sat 23:00 Sun 22:30

Airlines:
Buzz
British Airways
Easyjet
aer arann
British European
Ryanair
BMI (Bristish Midlands)
BMI Baby
Go
Aer Lingus
Sceptre Tours - as Claymore mentioned

Ferries:
Irish Ferries
Stena
Ferrybooker - an online ferry booking company

Buses:
Translink, the main (or rather, the only) transport company in N.I. runs Ulsterbus, the N.I. bus company.
Ulsterbus timetables
Belfast has 2 main bus stations: Europa (Glengall Street) and Laganside (Donegall Quay). To the best of my knowledge, Laganside is still the one that serves Portaferry.

There aren't any trains. N.I. has about 2 train tracks. Neither go anywhere near the Ards Peninsula.

The area:
Strangford Lough
Starngford Lough (more of a tourism twist)
Some Portaferry info

Accommodation:
Barholm hostel
The Narrows (upmarket guest house)
Fiddlers Green - my local drinking spot, and they do B&B
GoIreland's page

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: InOBU
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 09:02 AM

Any folks want to run down to Ardbo with Genie and I to see Brian O'Hannon after the session?
Cheers Larry

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,forty two
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 11:37 AM

As there seems to be a lot of interest in this gathering, in particular from the US could I make a small suggestion. What about moving it back a couple of weeks from the end of February to around the 17th March - St Patrick's Day which falls on a Monday which gives us a longer week-end!!

Anyway whatever the date, I have a 7 seater and can do a pick up from the ferry in Belfast or as I suggested a while ago, meet up at the John Hewitt's Bar in Donegall Street for a session first!

So as a local I can be counted in.

HAPPY DAYS

Chris

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 11:55 AM

Unfortunately Paddy's day might be a bit of a logistical nightmare, and it took that long to come up with these dates that I think I might stick to them, nice idea as a St. Patrick's meet is. Besides I think the chaep fares from the US that Claymore mentioned run out about the 9th March.

Thanks for volunteering for transport duties Chris - you may live to regret trying to round up musicians from a lively pub...!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,fiosrach
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 11:56 AM

Chris, how do we contact you?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 12:19 PM

Fib....we have phoned the Hostel to make a booking and they are going to confirm it on thursday!!!......See you in february!!!

We are looking forward to it!!

Cat

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 12:25 PM

If it were moved on any other weekend, it would end my chance of making it. Gigs, and all.

Mick

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 04:27 PM

Looking possible for me, skipjack and Bill sables-How do we get from the airport to Porta thingmy bob? without a car?

Any suggestions?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 04:33 PM

ow much is da bus fare? How long do it take an when do the buses run? Might be landing at B'fst intn'l about 17.50 ish.

ta for any help.

Can book hostel from here if all goes ahead.

Cheers

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: ard mhacha
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 05:14 PM

Checked out Ulterbus, the service to Downpatrick from Belfast, Monday to Friday, Buses leaving from Europa Hotel area, on the hour from 10am until 2pm, and from 4.05pn and 5.30pm, the journey is approx, 45 minutes.
On arrival at Downpatrick you will have another 40 mins journey to Strangford, the problem with the bus service to Strangford is, there is only one at 4.05pm, monday to Friday.
The Ferry Service to Portaferry is very frequent, usually about 15 minutes.
If you have a couple of hours to spend in Downpatrick, visit the Cathedral and view Saint Patricks grave in the Cemetry close by, also the grave of Thomas Russell, ["the man from god-knows -where"] who was hanged at Downpatrick Jail in 1803 for being a leader of the United Irishmen. The poem and song have been discussed on a mudcat thread.
The journey is a doddle, don`t be put off by what looks like, but isn`t, a complicated route. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: WyoWoman
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 06:21 PM

Well, Biggus Mickus --
You did spark my interest. Would you be leaving from Chicago? What airline did you say had the $98 one-way tix? How many days will you be staying? And will there be any spare guitars for those of us who ain't into schlepping their gear across an ocean?

I'm not saying I actually CAN get away to do this, but I'm not ruling it out, either. Let's click our heels together three times and ... ohp.. sorry. Since I moved to Kansas, I've been taking this ruby slippers thing very seriously.

Love,
la Wyo

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: brid widder
Date: 17 Dec 02 - 06:39 PM

If I can get the time off I'd like to come.... I've been to Portaferry before... and hed a few really good evenings with Frank in the Fiddlers Green....I don't drive so think I'll be on the Irish ferries from Holy head to Dublin.... if anyone is coming from the North of England (I'm in Hull) and has a spare seat I could use that might be another option... PM me with details... I could probably come early & go late if necessary.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Forty two
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 04:41 AM

anyone who wants a lift down contact me via PM.

First come first served!

Chris

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: ard mhacha
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 05:01 AM

And a taxi from Downpatrick to Strangford with 4 sharing wouldn`tbe too expensive. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 05:31 AM

The best bus route is probably the Belfast - Netwownards - Portaferry bus route, the one which goes via Kircubbin (NOT the one via Portavogie as that takes you right over to the other side of the peninsula).

As I posted in the other thread:

There's a good bus service from Belfast International to Belfast itself. Belfast City airport is only 10 minutes from the city centre.

The bus service to Portaferry is less good. Much less good. But there are buses, and that's the main thing. It takes about an hour or more to go the 30 miles from Belfast by the direct route. I think it's probably 1hr15 mins, and more than likely 1hr30mins given the state of the roads once past Kircubbin (local village where tarmac seems to stop).
The indirect route (serves the other side of the peninsula) takes a good bit longer.
As far as I know, these buses leave Belfast from Laganside bus station on Donegall Quay (NOT Europa bus station on Glengall Street).

From Dublin, it's probably easier to get to Belfast first, and then go to Portaferry, although it's theoretically possible to go Dublin --> Newry --> Newcastle (where the Mountains of Mourne Sweep Down to the Sea) --> Downpatrick --> Strangford --> ferry boat (takes 10 mins) to Portaferry. The hardest part there is probably the very poor Downpatrick to Strangford bus service.

The big long thread I posted above with all the links in it has a link for Ulsterbus timetables.
Price is probably around 4 quid for a single ticket from Belfast - Portaferry.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 05:34 AM

Hiya K I'ts S!


I won't be able to come! I will be in hospital in London during then - having an op done! double double double darn - and various words like that only stronger!

But I opes you all have fun - it sounds good!!

:-(

Ella

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 05:54 AM

Ellllllllllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
So you got yer op date. I hope it goes really well and completely painless...
That's such a pity you won't be able to make it. My parents were asking after you, and asking if you'd be over.
Good luck girl!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 11:25 AM

Just a quick mention that easyjet are doing flights for 25 quid RETURN (!) to Belfast International airport from some airports in England.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Ella who is Sooze
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 11:35 AM

Only good thing (apart from being sorted out at last) is that I will be on some class of pain killers - YAY! and last time the anaesthetic was bloomin marvelous!

Say hallooo to your mam and dad for me - would have been nice to see them again.

Cheers

E x

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: ard mhacha
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 12:23 PM

Fibula, I have to agree your bus route is more convenient, but I have used the Downpatrick route about 10 years ago and it wasn`t a problem. Good Luck. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: MudGuard
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 02:21 PM

Chris, please consider one of the seats booked.
And thanks for the offer!
If possible not the smallest seat (I am 1.94m or 6'4" ;-)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 02:02 PM

well, still working on it BUT problem number one!

Can't arrive until about 21.30 from Belfast In'nl. So how'd me n skip go on from there? 2nd prob- geting back on Sunday to the airport.

Further suggestions please.

Ta

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: MudGuard
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 02:19 PM

Erik, have a good run, it's only about 28 miles from Belfast - just a bit more than a Marathon... ;-)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 02:47 PM

How's about a convoy of minibuses (+Alfa Romeo fanny magnet?) setting off from the center of the UK Mudcat universe (Hull9) and picking up stragglers on the journey westwards to the ferry??

Noreen
#1 straggler

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Leadfingers
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 07:33 PM

Got a seat in Morticias wagon so Call me a definate. I promise not to bring the banjo.Or at least not all of them.I'll try and book the hostel direct.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: brid widder
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 07:35 PM

well if anyone apart from me is coming from Hull....or any point reasonably easily reached from here I would certainly be glad to be counted in... so far the best I can come up with is 6am train from Hull to Liverpool and a £25 flight to Belfast international airport.... then there's the journey onward to Portaferry... I'm not Hull to Portaferry could be done in a day without a car!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 09:37 PM

Eric, are you not arriving at Belfast international till 2130? If so, you wouldn't make it to Portaferry that night, unless you cadge a lift or get a taxi. If there are two or three of you, hire a car - some firms have pretty cheap rates (search the web).

If you're landing around 1730 as you said earlier, you would be right to think you'd be at Portaferry around 2130: airport bus to Belfast Europa bus station (or get off as Laganside bus station if that comes first, as I think it does); then 1940 bus to Newtownards (1950 from Laganside), arrives N'ards 2020, then 2025 bus to Portaferry.

At other times of day it can be a bit easier than this, but whatever you do, don't even think about the ard mhacha route! It's not even really St Pat's grave at Downpatrick (though Thomas Russell's seems to be the genuine article).

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 19 Dec 02 - 10:02 PM

Overseas visitors, if you want to phone the Fiddler's Green re b&b, the number from outside the UK is 44 (for the UK) followed by 28 4272 8393 - ie without the "0" which they include on the site at the end of Fib's link.

Even though I have a pet hate of cars, and I champion public transport at every opportunity, I've got to say I wouldn't recommend the public transport to Portaferry for anyone who's just come across the Atlantic. You'll be knackered before the fun's begun.

Hiring a small car might be 100 dollars, which ain't much if you can split it two or three ways, and you're going to get infinitely more out of the visit. You might even get to Downpatrick to see that fake grave. Try Dan Dooley's for an instant online quote/reservation, or hunt around for others.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 05:30 AM

I've booked my flights!
I'll be there.

For those thinking of hiring a car and driving to Portaferry, here's some directions from the AA.
(Note - where it says "Kircubbin. 7.2 miles at roundabout take first exit" that refers to the roundabout as you reach Portaferry - it's a one way system in the town, and it starts at a roundabout which is actually a white dot in the road, just as you enter Portaferry. There's no roundabout near Kircubbin - it's just a road straight through. You'll know you're going the right way if you follow signs for the ferry from Newtownards onwards. If you're staying at Barholm hostel, it's just opposite the ferry slip. )

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Micca
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 05:34 AM

We have booked at Barholm!!!!!!!!1, and are definite, and Morti too( her own room, of course) so thats 3,

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 05:42 AM

YEAHHHH!!!!! I is coming!!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From:
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 06:44 AM

good oh, Micca, thanks.......

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 08:45 AM

It is looking pretty good for this one. I now have to check for flight availability, but it looks like the 5 of us (4 lads and a lass who plays a helluva fiddle) will be making this one. I will probably stick around for a couple of days so I can run down to Dublin to visit NPU.

Mick

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 09:30 AM

Bad news, I am afraid. I just went to Aer Lingus and they have no seats available for that time frame. One of the pre req's was that we could get the $198 round trip flights. But they are not available on that date. The alternative would be to purchase the $458 round trip tix. That puts it out of our range for what amounts to a 3 day weekend.

If anyone has a suggestion, I would love to hear it. We were excited about doing this.

Mick

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 11:27 AM

Well Mick, it might work out reasonably to get a flight to Britain and connecting flight to Belfast.

Travelling that distance and time zones for just three days is rather mad anyway!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 11:46 AM

Actually, my friend, I was going to stay over for a few days and run out to see some friends in Derry, as well as down to Dublin to have a visit at NPU.

I will check on other options. It was the $198/roundtrip that made it doable.

And who ever told you that I wasn't a bit mad, is leading you astray..........LOL.

Mick

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: momnopp
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 02:19 PM

Mick (and other crazy Americans trying to make it over the pond),

I'm also trying to figure out how to make this possible for me and Dylan. We would probably fly in to Dublin on Feb. 22 and stay through March 2.

I'm trying to work with my company's international travel dept. -- they have suggested trying www.priceline.com as well as www.hotwire.com. Sometimes you can wangle a better deal if you're flexible on dates, or time of day, or nearby airport, or number of connections you're willing to put up with.

I've also only found R/T fares about as low as $450 each, thus far, but I'm not giving up yet!!!!!

May we all meet on the other side... :-)

JudyO

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 07:37 PM

Mick, have a look at the EasyJet and Ryannair sites. If you can find a cheapish deal to London, you might find an onward flight to Dublin or Belfast for 50 dollars or less. Then again, without knocking Portaferry at all, when you're coming so far it might be better to wait for something in a more spectacular location, or latched on to the side of some existing festival - Fiddlers' Green at Rostrevor, maybe? And a slightly more clement time of year might make sense, though that's obviously relative in Ireland.

I'm glad Fib's gone into all that detail about road directions, by the way. I was overlooking that people who don't know the roads are going to find it amazingly easy to get lost.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 09:37 PM

Dang, this sounds good! The temptation is weighting heavy, but I think I have to resist.

-Joe Offer, compulsive traveler-

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: MudGuard
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 03:00 AM

Resistance is futile!

Joe, please come!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 01:09 PM

OK Christmas is over, plans for the new year? :0)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 01:22 PM

I was advised that easyjet are doing £25 return Liverpool/Belfast. It would appear that a return flight is available from as little as £4.50 if you go at silly times...!

Suppose if I get an early enough flight on the Friday I might be able to pick up a lift from Belfast to Portaferry, and similarly if I
fly back late on the Monday?

Tempted....

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 02:29 PM

Ah well, not quite so cheap when taxes & charges are included, but could still do it, at reasonable times, for £30 or less.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 02:37 PM

I've not been to a mudcat gathering yet, but this one tempts me...

(sorry Fibula, I've completely not answered your question...)

Maybe us Manchester people could sort something 'group booking' wise? I have a car, but it can't swim

Ed.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 02:46 PM

Would love to, Ed, if we could get a car & 4 to split the cost.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Dec 02 - 03:17 PM

£202 Belfast- Stranraer return for car +4 adults.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: InOBU
Date: 30 Dec 02 - 10:58 AM

Oh, my, sad to say, like Mick, there is a huge diff between $200 and 450, especialy when travelling with the fair Genie, who is a good deal boarder Scott (Dumfries)as well as red haired Cavan girl (from the foot of Mt. Nuegent or some other place, as the song goes) and we all know that the combination of Scott's thrift added to red haird Ulster girl temper, makes it a dangerous proposal for me to increase the buget some $500 semolians.
Devistated...
Larry
PS Her Quebecois side from Trois Rivere (Gascony in the 1560s) would be willing if I plied her with enough red wine, but then I could not be responcible for the damage she may unwittingly cause about the town... no offence to our Quebecois members... but you all know what I mean! For those who don't listen to a few La Boutene Souriant CDs and call me in the morning...

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: alanww
Date: 02 Jan 03 - 07:20 PM

Looks like the air option is possible, either for £30 ish by easyJet from Liverpool to Belfast Int or for £65 by FlyBe from Birmingham Int (which is nearer for me) to Belfast Harbour (which I think is closer to Portaferry, isn't it?) - not counting the car mileage and parking cost!

But then what? For flexibility, I could hire a car (would need to share as it will cost some £25 per day minimum, ie £75 or £100 for the 3 or 3.5 days) or I could go by bus/coach. Is there an easy website I can search for bus times/cost, prior to finally booking the flights?

Also, given I don't have to worry about getting back to work, the obvious option would be to travel out on Friday 28 Feb and back on Monday 3 March. But is there any reason to stay longer, eg a great music or song session in Belfast or Newtownards on a Thursday or Monday evening, which shouldn't be missed?

"For I am free to go abroard or take again my homeward road ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Jan 03 - 08:55 PM

It is not possible for us to make this one. But we are all agreed that we are going to do it when the rates kick in again in the fall. I will use this thread and hopefully we can get a gathering going. I will ask for help from the lot of you when the time comes. Please tip a pint towards the West on my behalf.

Pictures, don't forget the pictures.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Morticia
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 01:26 PM

sorry to hear you won't be there Mick but I will gladly raise a pint of the black and vile to you, in hopes you will make it next time.I can make my last hug last that long I think :)

I have changed my mind re driving as it is simply unwieldy from this far south and east,but I've booked on Easyjet for 25 quid return so I am all set.....whoopeeee!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 04:01 PM

I've discovered that I can fly (in a plane ¦¬]), Glasgow to Belfast return for £12:00 e.w. Crazy thing is that the taxes come to about £38:00, which is more than the flights. Anyway I've given up on the ferry option, in favour of this.
See you there.....Giok

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 05:47 PM

We got the 25 quid offer too!!!! See you at the airport Morty!!!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 03:52 PM

Sadly not within our budget but hope you all have a great time.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: mooman
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 04:57 PM

Awaiting confirmation from the hostel at the moment (I think it's been shut over the holidays).

moo

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 05:26 PM

yes I've been trying too, will try again on monday

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: mooman
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 01:42 PM

Okey dokey!

Booked up at Barholm for the three Clan McMoo and we managed to get flights at Euro 7 each return (plus airport tax which is much more!).

Looking forward to seeing everyone!

moo

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 02:31 PM

Yes, Me and skipjack is on our way. Booked with easyjet at 15.00 return + airport taxes!!!!! Looking at car hire for the weekend. anyone want to share? (Need room for 'struments!)

Need to book the hostel now!!!
We land B'fst @ 21.40 Friday

leave @ 19.55 on the Sunday
Cheers eric n skip

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 02:37 PM

so is anyone else coming from within Ireland?!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 02:41 PM

Wot ho Richard. Pm's not working? looking forward to seeing you and family.

Have just sent booking request through this instant. Anyone know how booked the hostel is yet?

Just booked flights for Holland as well!!!!!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 02:55 PM

So, on present information:

Definites:
catsPHiddle –
Clan McMoo (three)
Eric the Viking
Fibula Mattock (the lovely)
Forty –two
Giok
JudeL & Paul
Leadfingers
micca
morticia
MudGuard
Philippa
Skipjack K8

Possibles:
Ard Macha?
alanww?
Bill Sables?
Claymore?
Diesel?
Fionn?
Momnopp & Dylan?
Noreen...?

Unless YOU know different...

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 03:14 PM

I am SO excited now!!!...Looking forward to seeing everyone!!!

Cat

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 05:46 PM

Yes, me too, Cat: move my name to the definites list; I've just booked my flight and e-mailed about accommodation.

:0)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 06:12 PM

See you there Noreen!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 06:22 PM

ahhhhhhh Noreen, Greg's silver tongue?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 06 Jan 03 - 09:09 PM

Eric, what HAS he been telling you? *blush*

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: sian, west wales
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 05:02 AM

I'd love to come but 1 March is St. David's Day and, with any luck, I'll be helping out with the celebrations in town here.

Enjoy!

sian

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 06:46 AM

Hey hey hey - this is getting exciting!
Nearer the time we can pick a spot to meet up on the Friday.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: alanww
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 06:49 AM

Watch out for the nobbly bits in the hire car with those two, Noreen!

"Where 'as tha bin since I saw thee ...!"
Alan

(PS I mean the multitude of instrument cases, of course!)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 07:52 AM

EVERYONE WHO IS FLYING!!!......I have just got off the phone to easyjet to enquire abou their policy on instruments been taken into the cabin and not put in the hold with the other luggage.....Some airlines have different policies. Good news...they have a new policy and instruments can be taken on board BUT the must fit into the over head luggage bins ...the measurements are......40cm x 127cm x 48cm. They prefer you to leave a 10cm gap all round. So measure up you cases guys!!! My large fiddle case will fit in easy with a lot of room to spare!!!

See you all in Ireland.

Cat

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: mooman
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 08:14 AM

I was speaking to the friendly manager of the Barholm hostel this morning on the telephone.

Their conference room is being used by another group but I was told we are welcome to meet up and play in the conservatory on Friday evening which will apparently hold 50 persons. Apparently later on musicians generally wander up to "The Fiddlers" where apparently music may be played and evil black stuff consumed until "the wee hours"!

Looking forward to seeing everyone!

moo

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 08:43 AM

Yeah, Fiddlers is my local. However, they have music of their own most nights, and while people might play along, Frank (the owner) and the regulars that play with him will be doing their usual singsong ("if it's half past nine, it must be 'Ghostriders in the sky'" ;) . That's not to say we couldn't get a few tunes in ourselves, though.

It's great if we can use the conservatory in Barholm though.
I was also thinking that if there's not too many of us, I might persuade me ma and da to let me borrow their kitchen for an hour or two, then maybe we could chip in a couple of quid for ingredients and I can do lunch for everyone on the Saturday. Depends on numbers though!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 11:44 AM

That sounds like an absolutly fabulous idea Fib. Meanwhile I'm getting a little concerned as although I've both emailed and repeatedly phoned and left messages on the hostel's answerphone as yet I haven't had a reply!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: mooman
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 11:49 AM

I'd be happy to chip in towards lunch Fibs and don't forget to chime up if you need any help with preparing.

moo

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: alanww
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 01:20 PM

DONE IT! I have booked a flight from Birmingham International to Belfast City using Flybe - cost the princely sum of £3 return plus taxes (total £37 return!) Should arrive at Belfast City at 13.45 on Friday 28 February.

If anyone else is arriving there at around that time I would be happy to share a car but otherwise I will take the bus and should get to the hostel at 5 pm ish.

The hostel was very efficient at booking me in and I got a very speedy reply to my email. (I would suggest that you have another go Jude.) Apparently I am likely to be squeezed in with a couple of reprobates from Yorkshire! How's things up your way, Eric and Greg?

I will be staying until Monday too. Fib: Am I right in assuming things will be happening Sunday night aswell or should I bring a good book to read?

Getting excited now! Looking forward to seeing you all again - only 7 weeks away!

"One day in October neither drunken nor sober ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 01:45 PM

I am absolutely kelly green with envy. I really wanted to make this one! Have a great time folks.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: MudGuard
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 03:36 PM

I am very sorry but I have to inform you that I am not going to make it.
(thanks, boss!)
I wish you a pleasant weekend!

MudGuard/Andy

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 04:49 PM

Oh, Andy! *sniff*
I'll miss your chocolate cake....

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: MudGuard
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 05:15 PM

You've got the recipe, so do it yourself.
But I will miss your "Hard Times"!
(yes, I have the music and I have the lyrics - but I can't sing!)

See you in May (for that one I have my time off confirmed by the boss in writing and I won't give in - should he dare to ask...)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 05:47 PM

yep Alan, it looks like you'll be the voyeur!!!!!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: alanww
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 08:33 PM

Oh what a pain, Andy. Look forward to seeing you later in the year then.
LOL, Eric. I'll bring some gooseberries, shall I? BTW, I will be sleeping in the bed next to the wall and will be facing the room!
"Time passes over more pleasant and ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 05:24 AM

Sunday night? I reckon there should still be stuff going on Sunday night!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 05:55 AM

We shall still be there on the Sunday night!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 03:13 PM

Arrive City Airport 13:15 Friday
Leave 13:45 Monday.
Been quoted about £60.00 for car hire, that's an awful lot of beer. So shall be thinking in terms of bus down, and maybe taxi back Monday. What plans anyone else?
Giok.

PS Sorry you can't make it Andy.¦¬[

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Leadfingers
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 05:17 PM

Arriving Friday 1540 pm at Belfast airport Any body looking to provide/share transport will be appreciated.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 06:14 PM

Daft question I know but. Anyone who is hiring a car earlier in the day, is there a chance of comming to the airport and picking me and Greg up @ 21.45ish, then giving us a lift back on Sunday evening to the airport@ 19.00ish?

We'll willingly pay, towards hire or petrol, seems silly several people hiring cras for what is only a 50 mile round trip.

Cheers

Eric N Greg.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 09:24 PM

And ME!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: alanww
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 05:58 AM

Fib: Do you know roughly how much a taxi cost to or from City Airport? The best deal on cars I found on the internet was £25 per day for the 3 days I am staying. That seems an unnecessary expense to me, even if I managed to share with one other person. So I was thinking of going by bus, which is possible but which has one or, more usually, two changes and takes 2+ hours - and on my way back on the Monday I will need to catch the 7.50 am bus for a 10.55 am flight. (By the way, the website you referred to showing bus and train times is excellent.) If the taxi fare is, say, only £25 and there are 3 sharing it would be a pretty good deal!
Leadfingers: I'm arriving at City Airport at 13.45 on Friday and I suppose I could wait until 15.40. My return flight is at 10.55 on Monday. But which airport are you?
Everyone: If we all posted our arrival and departure times (and airport!) it would then be possible to maximise the sharing of hire cars or taxis ...

"Rolling up, rolling down ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 06:37 AM

Micca, Morty and Myself arrive at Belfast Intl Airport at 09:25am on the Friday. We fly back from the same airport to Gatwick at 08:55 am on tthe Monday morning so we will definatley have to book a taxi to the airport!!

Looking forward to seeing everyone.

Cat

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 10:48 AM

Giok : Who quoted you £60 for car hire for the weekend? the lowest I saw was £75.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 02:36 PM

Europcar for a small car, or economy, or something. Actually my firm puts a lot of work their way, so might try and pull a few strings. I'll tell you if I get a cheaper deal.
Giok

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 03:10 AM

Flights are booked, Luton to Belfast intn: dept 14:25 arr 15:40
bfast to luton dept 17:40 , arr 18:55
There will be 3 of us including my eldest son Robert who has decided to join us.
We are interested in sharing transport to & from portaferry.
Jude

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Leadfingers
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 08:18 PM

I am on the same flight as JudeL and co so thats four for a car or taxi at the same time. Any More? Maybe we can hire a coach??

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 08:00 AM

Slight update - my parents were visiting me this week. They say "great" about the lunch on Saturday. I'll make soups and bread and maybe some baked potatoes.

Also, when they got back to Portaferry last night they began to spread the word. Dumigan's pub are very happy for us to have sessions in the room there (it's got to be one of the smallest pubs you've ever seen, but it has a bigger room to the side of the bar that can be used for sessions).

And also, my mum has said she'll talk to some of the Comhaltas committee members and see what can be done about a meet up with their members, and maybe a bit of dancing on the Saturday night.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 08:24 AM

Sounds Great Fibula!!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Micca
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 08:39 AM

Fibs, several members of the Famous Mudcat scratch Ceili band are going to be there so you might be able to get them to do something, they include Skipjack, Noreen, Eric the Viking,mooman, etc!!!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 10:02 AM

What do you get if you scratch a Ceilidh band?
Giok

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Den
Date: 11 Jan 03 - 07:18 PM

It all sounds great and I'd love to go...even to Portaferry, but unfortunately the timing for me is all wrong, personally I blame Fibbs. However she is a brave woman and more power to her elbow. Hopefully she will arrange another one of these hoolies maybe somewhere closer to God's country (the Mournes) and in some other season. Portaferry will not know what hit it. I sincerely hope that everyone of you have a wonderful time in our own little corner of the world and just be sure to leave it the way you found it. Good luck Den.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 12 Jan 03 - 09:28 AM

Well, skin n I is booked in at the hostel. Info -it's a no smoking inside, but the conservatory is ok for smoking. See you then. Scratch celiedh band sounds good! Me n skip will be up for it, how's about you Richard? Noreen, how you gonna get the keyboard across?

Spoke to Linda from the hostel, she'd rather the doors were kept shut as "the locals enjoy an good party, drink too much and sometimes get a bit physical"

Sounds fun!!!

Cheers

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 12 Jan 03 - 10:11 AM

Hmmm, as a local I resent such implications, even if they are well-founded on factual information!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John Moulden
Date: 12 Jan 03 - 10:47 AM

Portaferry is within striking distance of Portrush where I live. I will probably come down for a day just for the crack (unambiguous Ulster word of Scottish origin which is never spelled any other way!)

Fibula Mattock - are you connected with John and Lily, who are old friends of mine from the 60s and 70s?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 12 Jan 03 - 10:53 AM

John, I am indeed - I'm their eldest daughter!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 12 Jan 03 - 07:48 PM

Eric & skin.... hmmm, is that your new pet name for him?

Don't intend to bring a keyboard & accoutrements on the plane, but would be very happy to play if one can be borrowed, Fib? Or p'raps local/Comhaltas musicians will be providing music- we could join in, or whatever. Would hate to step on anyone's toes. :0)

Looking forward to meeting friends old and new!
Noreen

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 02:06 PM

Skin was a slip o the finger-skippy of course!!

Can't you clever lot make a part 2 thread?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: alanww
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 07:32 PM

Eric: I don't think we really need part 2 threads any more, as we can click on the number of messages (rather than on the title of a thread as we used to) and it now automatoically divides the thread into manageable chunks. Try it!

"We sell them three for four pence ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Snuffy
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 07:41 PM

If you click on the little "d" beside the number, you get the last postings at the top, so you don't need to load the whole thread

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From:
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 10:02 AM

Bloody clever stuff! See you soon.

Still trying to work out some way of gettting there from the airport. Skip has been working on it. Cars-expensive, taxis BLOODY expensive. Funds will be short as it is. Any offers of help gratefully recieved. Eric n Skip.

Wot about this scratch band then?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 10:44 AM

The people at the hostel said that a taxi would cost around £50 if you split that between 3 then its about 16 quid between 4 it would be about 12 quid.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: mooman
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 02:11 PM

No probs for me for the Catscratch Band Eric and Skip...I'll bring a suitable instrument!

Looking forward to seeing everyone

moo

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Ireland
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 07:58 AM

I hope this may be of some help.

Fibula, have you asked your local council for the lend of their mini bus, that is if you can drive and they have one.

My wife borrowed the council bus were we lived, and as this is for a good cause promoting folk music and inter- community relations etc, they should agree.

Any way just thought I'd mention it.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 08:31 AM

I think we could use another thread; the library computer I used yesterday timed out and wouldn't open the file

I'm thinking John Moulden might benefit from feedback on whether youse would patronise an Ulstersongs stall selling books and recordings, or should he just bring leaflets advertising the mail-order service and spend his time enjoying the crack?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 09:01 AM

Philippa, if you click on the number of posts instead of the thread title, you can now load the thread in chunks of 50 (and by clicking on d it will show most recent posts first.

I'd be very interested to look at an Ulstersongs stall, but I have no money to buy anything at the moment... perhaps John could set up at a designated time and place, and relax for the rest of the weekend?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 10:06 AM

If it costs £50 for a taxi (one way) you are probably better off getting together and hiring a car for the 3 days - a compact for 36 hours from europcar is £60 . I posted 36 hours rather than 3 days as having input slightly different times I found that it counts 36 hours as 3 days but 37 hours it counts and charges you for 4 days! which is a big difference.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 10:16 AM

Sorry not compact (ford focus - more expensive) economy ( ford fiesta )

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 10:25 AM

36 hrs = a day and a half, Jude?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 11:34 AM

Sorry , only just woken up.... try 72 and 73 hours respectively ... but you know what I mean

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 11:35 AM

Jude...I don't drive and neither does Micca so hiring a car could be a bit of a problem.....

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 11:47 AM

Cat, I'm slightly comfused, I thought you were coming with terry (aka morticia) and she does drive?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 12:12 PM

We are but I didn't think she wanted to hire a car

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: My guru always said
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 01:02 PM

Hi All, am just investigating the possibility of coming along & taking a look / listen at you lot :-) Pop me on the possibles along with my better half. We'll probably hire a car at whatever Airport so if we come we'll have spare seats. Just a question of timing really! Wish me luck... Trying Luton departures first as we live there!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Morticia
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 01:12 PM

I don't mind splitting car hire costs and being the driver BUT I lost my driving license when my purse was stolen and I've done nothing about replacing it....if I can get my act together in time to acquire a new one we could look at that again

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 01:56 PM

Who                       Where                Arrive                   Dept        

Micca                   Bfast Intnl               9.25 Fri           8.55 Mon
Morty                   
Catsphiddle

Jude                   Bfast Intnl               15.40 Fri           17.40 Mon
Paul            
Robert

Leadfin/s            Bfast Intnl               15.40 Fri           12.30 Mon

Skipjack              ?                          21.40 Fri           19.55 Sun
Eric                                   

Giok                      Bfast City               13.15 Fri    13.45 Mon

Alanww                    Bfast City               13.45 Fri           10.55 Mon

Noreen                            ?

Clan Mcmoo (3)             ?

Fibula Mattock               ?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 01:57 PM

What happened to my nice neat columns?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 02:34 PM

Well I have driving licence, and am willing to partake. Micca & Co's early departure on Monday is a bit of a mouche in the oinkment, for them though.
Giok

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 02:58 PM

I'll be there already as I'm going to Pferry on the Wednesday to spend "quality" time with my folks ;)
Also, I'm staying on til the Tuesday whereupon my dear papa will kindly transport me to his work, from where I'll get a bus to the city airport.
I would love to be able to come and pick people up, but I don't have a car of my own, and I'm not insured for my parents' car.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: hacksawbob
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 03:10 PM

could someone post the dates? I have been trawling through the thread looking for them bu with no luck, I'm in Belfast from 14-23 of Feb will I miss you guys? me and Gerry would love to come and give you a few tunes.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 03:13 PM

Friday Feb 28th - Mon 3 March

Sorry

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 03:17 PM

Thanks for that, Jude. My arrangements are the same as Skippy's & Eric's, and we're using Belfast International.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: My guru always said
Date: 16 Jan 03 - 08:28 AM

It looks like hubby won't be coming, but I'm still hoping to. I've just had a chat with mine host at Barholm (Linda) and although all the single rooms are gone, she's setting aside a group girlies room & a group laddies room, which seems like a grand idea :-) Checking funds & permissions tonight & will post if definite.

As a matter of interest there's still a few other rooms left, she's had a couple of cancellations from the conference that's happening.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Jan 03 - 08:33 AM

And can we choose which of the group roomms we sleep in, my guru? :0)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 16 Jan 03 - 12:14 PM

Mine host Linda, just sent me an email telling me that due to a cancellation she has changed which room we (Paul Robert & I ) have booked to one which is more suitable for us (i.e. one just big enough for the 3 of us so we have it in privacy) instead of the one she originlly reserved which had one spare bed (which might have been filled by anyone) so there is now a room with 1 double and 2 single beds free.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: My guru always said
Date: 16 Jan 03 - 03:35 PM

Noreen: My better half just heard my LOL and has demanded that I sleep in the correct room throughout the weekend. ROTFLMAO.... :-)
Just checking flights, nearly a definite!!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: My guru always said
Date: 16 Jan 03 - 03:52 PM

Flights booked! Same as JudeL & Co (Hurrah), can't wait :-)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 16 Jan 03 - 04:10 PM

*grin*
Look forward to meeting you (again?), my guru, and a'body else!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: My guru always said
Date: 17 Jan 03 - 01:48 PM

Some say that the secret of life is being in the right place at the right time. It's possibly true, but drinking Guinness in Ireland beats drinking it here in the UK & it sounds like we'll have a whale of a time with the music.

Looking forward to hearing you again Noreen :-)
Hil

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 19 Jan 03 - 06:58 PM

Noreen-if you read this. )Lovely to see you last night by the way)-them's smiley brackets!   I can get you, me an skip a vauxhall corsa for £63-how does that sound? Pick up and return to airport.

Skip, Noreen let me know please.

Cheers

Eric

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: alanww
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 07:35 AM

My guru: Welcome aboard! Meeting again so soon after Whittlesey - people will talk ...!
Giok: I've sent you a PM on 15 Jan, considering the possibility of us two sharing a hire car. Have you seen it yet?

"I had a dream the other night, the strangest dream of all ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Interested
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 07:44 AM

Hello everybody,

Just a regular guest floating through, but i'm from Deisceart Ard Mhacha so i might head up for the weekend. Sounds great.

John Moulden: I know this is a wee bit pedantic, but the word 'craic' is equally of Irish origin than it is Scottish, if not even more so. It comes from Gaelige, of course, common language to Ireland and Western/Highland Scotland but which was introduced to Scotland by Gaelic Irish. Perhaps in north Antrim, people associate the word more with Scotland due to the strong link between the two areas?

Slán go fóill,
Tommy

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 07:52 AM

To the best of my knowledge, the word crack as we use it in Ireland and Scotland was always an Irish word, does NOT come from the Gaelic. Therefore, as John Moulden infers (though he says the meaning isn't ambiguous), the only logical reason to spell the word in Irish, "craic" when writing in English is to distinguish it from the drug

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 08:04 AM

Eric my dear how & where did you manage to get a corsa for £63 it's going to cost us £78 for a focus for the 3 days (72 hours)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 04:16 PM

Sounds great to me, Eric, thank you! And it was lovely to see you too- a proper little reunion :0)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 04:21 PM

Yes AlanWW did get the PM, thought I'd replied, answer is affirmative. I'm going to try booking it at my local Europcar, where I have influence.
Giok

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 04:42 PM

Jude I got the car from Avis.
http://www.avis.co.uk

/http://www.avis.co.uk/

Eh I hope this link works-that means I got a little bit clever!

But I got a discount for being in the NUT- using a "countdown"card.

If you have some sort of union membership, then you might also get something off. I'm quite pleased with the deal.

cheers

Eric

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: MudGuard
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 04:59 PM

Eric, you get discounts because you are nuts? ;-)


I wish I was in Portaferry,
Only for a weekend in Barholm House
I would swim over the deepest ocean,
Only for a weekend in Barholm House.

But the sea is wide and I cannot swim over
Nor have I time my boss did say...
I wish I could meet some handsome 'catters
To ferry me over, to my love and die

MudGuard/Andy

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: mooman
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 06:40 PM

To your love Andy?

...this will start some conjecture over the weekend I'm sure!

Richard

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: alanww
Date: 20 Jan 03 - 06:44 PM

Not got your PM, Giok, but please go ahead and book, I'll split the cost and look forward to seeing you. We can make the detailed meeting arrangements in due course.

"Then to the Maypole haste away, for 'tis now our holiday ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: MudGuard
Date: 21 Jan 03 - 01:32 PM

As some of you are coming not only to Portaferry but also to Groningen, I have a request from two Euro-coin-collectors:

They both still need the complete Irish set of coins.

Could those coming from the Republic please bring these coins to Portaferry?
And could those visiting Portaferry AND Groningen buy them in Portaferry and bring them to Groningen?
I will then pay with German Euros ...

(it would have been much easier if I had the chance to come myself...)

TIA, Andy/MudGuard

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 22 Jan 03 - 10:17 AM

CAR HIRE: There's a much better deal than I've seen here. (Apologies if I've overlooked anything, I've only quickly skimmed the thread.)

Alamo (details here charge £44 for a Corsa from any time Friday morning to the same time Monday morning, plus an hour or so's grace (collect and return to either Belfast City or Aldergrowve). The only catch: there is a £500 damage waiver which they block on your card until you bring the car back in one piece.

Still not sure if I'll make Portaferry - I've got a can't miss appointment in London on the Monday afternoon, so I could be with Catsphiddle & co on the arly morning dash to the airport!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 22 Jan 03 - 10:25 AM

Just checked with Alamo. No problem providing as many cars as you like that weekend, at the £44 price, so long as they have a week or so's notice. Talk to Gareth there. He'd be happy for one Catter to fax details of all requirements if that was easier for Catters.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Still interested
Date: 22 Jan 03 - 10:53 AM

Just want to know how many people from Ireland are going to the get-together?

Philippa: When i say Gaelic, i am refering to the Irish language (Gaeilge) and to modern Scots Gaelic (Gaeidhlig), which are basically the same, well historically anyway. Craic indeed should always be written as craic, as it is a word from another language being used within English.

Now, enough of all this aul craic. :-)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 22 Jan 03 - 02:02 PM

But,GUEST,Still interested, is it?

What John Moulden and Phillipa are saying (I think) is that the word 'crack' is from the English language originally, and has latterly been spelled 'craic' to give it (false) Irishness. This agrees with what I've heard from other sources.

Noreen

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Jan 03 - 03:56 PM

Oh the crack was good in Cricklewood,
They couldn't get them out of The Crown.
With the bottles flyin' and the biddies cryin'
Sure'n Paddies goin' to town.

As down the glen came McAlpines men,
With their shovels slung behind them
Twas in that pub that they drank their sub
And up in the spike you'll find them.
They've sweated blood, and they've washed down mud.
With pints and quarts of beer.
And now we're on the road again,
With McAlpine's fusiliers.

Memories of Murphy.

Giok

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Micca
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 05:06 AM

" Oh Mother dear, I'm over here
and I'm never coming back
what keeps me here
is the fags and beer
but most of all the Craic.."
Noel Murphys intro to MacAlpines Fuseliers!!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 10:37 AM

as Noreen and John Moulden have also pointed out, "but most of all the Crack"
may have to start another thread to discuss spelling and etymology, if only for the crack.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Interested go fóill
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 12:05 PM

Noreen: I'm sorry but that's completely inaccurate.

The only word 'crack' of English origin is that which means crevice or sharp sound etc.

The word 'craic', however, meaning good fun etc, is entirely of Irish Gaelic origin. Just check any Irish language dictionary or any dictionary of English etymology.

Maybe we can continue the discussion in Port an Phéire, or even write a song for the craic!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 12:20 PM

I wish I was coming with you all. Sounds like it will be fun alright and to add to the mix:
For I come from the Co. Kerry

The land of eggs and bacon

And if you think I'll eat your fish and chips

By Jaysus you're mistaken.

Have the best of great fun all of you and remember to leave it the way you found it.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: ard mhacha
Date: 23 Jan 03 - 12:34 PM

Hope you are all enjoying your visit to lovely Portaferry, regarding Craic, the old people from way back used the Craic word all over Ireland.
How often in my youth did I hear, "We had great craic" and the people who had the fun or craic were all born in the late 1800s. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 24 Jan 03 - 10:14 AM

Not long to go now......Looking forward to seeing you all!!

Cat

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Noreen
Date: 25 Jan 03 - 02:14 PM

But, ard mhacha, how do you know how they were spelling it? *grin*
Not debating whether the word was used , just it's derivation and hence the spelling of it.

Philippa's started a related thread: Pedantic Crack where this point can be debated further.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: ard mhacha
Date: 25 Jan 03 - 03:30 PM

Never mind Noreen, hope you have good craic or crack in Portaferry. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 26 Jan 03 - 04:48 PM

Is there a sort of timetable to this? Me, skip n Noreen hope to get there about 23.00hrs. where will everyone be, what'll be happening at that time. how late can we play in the conservatory? Timetable for Saturday? Sunday (until the late afternoon for us three)?

Wot abowt grub on Saturday/sunday? anywhere open? Chipshop on friday night?

Loadsa questions........

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 28 Jan 03 - 07:21 PM

Refresh - I'm interested in any answers that Eric may get!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 29 Jan 03 - 06:08 PM

Well, I didn't get any!!!!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: My guru always said
Date: 30 Jan 03 - 01:43 PM

I guess we all just turn up & see what happens then!

I reckon there might be some black & vile pints & a whole load of musicking going on. It's just a guess though...

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 07:18 AM

Don't worry folks, I'll come up with something - just madly busy right now!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: My guru always said
Date: 31 Jan 03 - 08:34 AM

No worries Fibula, we're coming anyway so there's plenty of time :-)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 06:12 AM

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,John Moulden whose cookie seems to have expi
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 06:22 AM

I'm about to head for Portaferry seething at the claim made above that the derivation of the work "crack," meaning conversation, from an Irish word "craic" is supported by etymological dictionaries. This is a blatant untruth. While the word "craic" is given in recent dictionaries such as "Focloir Poca" (published by An Gum) as having an an English equivalent "crack, chat" it does not appear in older dictionaries such as Dineen. Further its use for over two hundred years in Scotland and Northern Britain is well attested.

If you want to prove something over which there is controversy, please cite evidence; assertion means nothing.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: mooman
Date: 01 Feb 03 - 08:18 AM

Whoa John!

No need to seeth over etymological stuff! Head out to Portaferry to enjoy the crack/craic (...who gives a flying shaky egg what its derivation is!) and the crack/craic will be great...I know it will...I can feel it in my old bones!

Looking forward to meeting you and everyone else going...both old friends and new!

Slainte

moo

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 08 Feb 03 - 08:26 AM

~Refresh~

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 09:32 AM

Good idea-what's happening about grub? Are we all self catering, going out to nosh or what? Wot's da best way in a car from B'fast Int'nl airport? Getting quite 'cited now!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: My guru always said
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 04:03 AM

I'm all for the easy life me, have ordered breakfasts so I can wake up in a civilised manner hopefully. Am hoping that local pubs do cheap bar meals or for a good chippie nearby. Treating this as a holiday so am attempting npt to cook.

Most of you guys seem to know each other, but I'm relatively recently so please pardon my lack of knowledge (couldn't spell naive-ity???). What mix of instruments / voices are coming? I'm not a musician, just a small voice & love long tragic ballads, but I can join in on choruses fairly fast & love tapping my feet to tunes.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: alanww
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 07:26 AM

Hi Hil
I don't know everyone, most of those attending who I do know are singers, some of whom do so to guitar accompaniment, with there being a smattering of box and fiddle players etc too! Oh and should I also mention the kazoos or should I keep that issue quiet? My list says:-
Definites:
alanww
catsPHiddle
Eric the Viking
Fibula Mattock (+2?)
Forty–two
Giok
John Moulden (Sat only)
JudeL (+ Paul & Robert)
Leadfingers
McMoos (x3)
micca
morticia
My guru always said
Noreen
Philippa
Skipjack K8
Tommy

Possibles:
Ard Macha?
Bill Sables?
Claymore?
Diesel?
Ed?
Fionn?
Momnopp & Dylan?

I'm getting excited ...!
"Dancing and singing, bell ringing ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 02:08 PM

I believe we will have some music and dancing as well, though most of us are primarily singers. So yes, do bring musical instruments if you can.

The only person attending that I know I have met is John Moulden. Chris - "Forty–two" - asked me to relay his apologies. He has an important exhibition opening at Caldwell Galleries in Belfast.

I was hoping to get a lift with Chris so now I have to make other arrangements. There's info. on public transport near the beginning of this thread. But anyone who thinks they can help me out, please send a PM to Felipa. Someone else has the Philippa cookie, so don't click the PM after my name!

I would like to leave Belfast centre around 6 pm Friday and return by 8 pm Sunday (if we get to Belfast before 5, we can see the Lennon exhibition at Caldwell Gallery). I plan to get a bus from Derry, so if anyone is coming from that direction on Friday, I could get a lift for that part of the journey as well.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: MudGuard
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 03:22 PM

Alan, you forgot one category, I will add it for you:

People who would have liked to come but are not allowed to by their bosses
MudGuard

:-(

MudGuard/Andy

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 10 Feb 03 - 04:33 PM

Sorry but I've been away dealing with personal matters and will not be able to attend. My Father has decided that he has had enough of the cancer treatments for his bladder and is going to let nature take it's course. In a couple of weeks I'm taking my daughter and my grandson down to Fla. for a final visit with him.

No tears; two years ago my Father, my brother and I took a trip through the North to visit the sites of the family in and around County Down. My Father was scheduled for a kidney removal which would have cancelled the trip. He told the doctor he was going to Ireland with the sons, and they removed it a week after we got back. We said everything we needed to say on that trip.

He is an retired Captain in the Navy, had two destroyers kamakazied from under him in the Big One, walked the streets of Hanoi evacuating the French in 54, and put the Marines over the side at Danang in 65 and is well qualified to chart his own course. I want my grandson to have a memory of him that doesn't include tubes. But those who stand and wait, also serve...

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: My guru always said
Date: 11 Feb 03 - 04:41 AM

Claymore: Positive thoughts to your Father, you & yours - make every moment count, I wish you all the good memories. I lost my Father to the big C this time last year, music hasn't filled that gap yet but I'm trying.

Alanww: Thanks for the list Honey, am very impressed that you're keeping track :-) Really looking forward to meeting / hearing everyone!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 05:42 PM

Not long now!!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: My guru always said
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 04:04 AM

There's still time to come along & join us, I'm pretty sure that Barholm has plenty of room left! Anyone else booked?

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 02:28 PM

I've asked every pretty girl I met, if she wants to come with me. Guess who's coming alone then?
Giok

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Morticia
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 02:43 PM

Unfortunately I am going to have to drop out.....that does mean there is a single room going at the hostel if someone wants to get in quick!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 05:55 PM

Oh Morty noooooooo. Is it definite, no alternative type stuff? Please tell me this doesn't affect Sidmouth Re-union as well.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 06:07 PM

I think the list is now:

Who                            Where                        Arrive                         Dept        

Micca                       Bfast Intnl                9.25 Fri                8.55 Mon
Catsphiddle                     x2                           x2                               x2

Jude                         Bfast Intnl                15.40 Fri                17.40 Mon
Paul                                 x3                            x3                                 x3
Robert

My guru                   Bfast Intnl                15.40 Fri                17.40 Mon

Leadfin/s                  Bfast Intnl                15.40 Fri                12.30 Mon

Cllr                          Belft Intnl                          Fri                17.40 Mon
        
Skipjack                  Bfast Intnl                21.40 Fri                19.55 Sun
Eric                            x2                              x2                               x2

Noreen                    Bfast Intnl                21.40 Fri                19.55 Sun

Giok                         Bfast City                13.15 Fri                13.45 Mon

Alanww                    Bfast City                13.45 Fri                10.55 Mon

Fibula Mattock                                     Thursday                Tuesday

Philippa                        on home ground

Fionne                        on home ground

Clan Mcmoo (3)                  ?

Tommy                                    ?

John Moulden               Saturday only


Possibles:
Ard Macha?
Bill Sables?
Diesel?
Brid Widder?
Momnopp & Dylan?
Ed?
Forty- Two    on home ground, busy but might pop in if he has time

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: David Ingerson
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 01:44 PM

I am so envious. I would do anything to be there--anything but ruin our family's finances. :-(

I can only hope something similar will happen again during more financially auspicious times! I'll be there then. Meanwhile, I'm here now...singing Irish songs in Portland.

David

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Felipa
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 02:55 PM

Jude L, I may be on home ground but I could still use a lift - see my message of 10 Feb; no one has replied

Is Fionne Fionn? - If so, he's currently in or around London and plans are not definite

Dave Ingerson, there must be something happening where you are. I heard good reports of Portland. I don't suppose you can afford to go to Milwaukee either (sean-nós weekend same date) or to the Gaelic immersion weekend in Virginia or thereabouts - also same date!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: mooman
Date: 20 Feb 03 - 07:55 PM

JudeL,

Clan McMoo will be arriving en mass Friday pm and leaving Monday pm via Dublin.

Looking forward to seeing everyone very much.

Eric, I have a bag of DADGAD stuff to work on with you if you are bringing The Axe.

Peace

moo

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: JudeL
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 04:24 AM

Felipa/ Phillipa you are probably right about Fionn : I have just reviewed all his posts and realised that the only reason I thought he was on home ground was because in several posts he displayed what sounded like local knowledge, state of roads and lack of need for directions, local car hire firm etc. I can't remember why I moved Fion n from the possibles to the definites, probably cos he was down as a definite in Alan's list. I never intended the table to be a definitive guide to who's doing what, I was just trying in my far from perfect way to try and condense info spread over more than 200 posts into a more compact form. I'm sorry I must have missed your request for a lift down, although up until recently I believe 42 was intending to travel down in a minibus and had issued a general invite that anyone needing a lift should pm him. I am hiring a car, but as things stand I probably won't have any spare seats. It may be worth contacting "My guru", as I believe that she is also planning on hiring a car and she may have a spare seat. Oh and one more piece of info I have now been told that Momnopp & Dylan are now definitely not coming rather than possibles

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: My guru always said
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 04:54 AM

Yes, have finally decided that I need a hire car myself as my back's too bad for being extra cosy in cars :-) Jude's chart is just Fab & has helped me with my planning, but as we get nearer to the 'gather' everything is liable to change.

Anyway, I may have extra seats but must admit I'm reluctant to drive into the City itself as I have a habit of getting lost in new places & usually rely on navigators!

So unless someone can join me at Belfast International & guide me in to pickup Cats in the City it'll be a lift from the Int. Airport early Friday evening, going back Monday - not at the crack of dawn though unless it's a really desperate situation!!! If you need a lift, have a look at Jude's lovely chart & see if I can help :-)

If you PM me, it might be an idea to let me have your email address in case the Cat is off-line over the weekend.

Not long now!!!!

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 05:24 AM

Hello folks,

Thanks for compiling that list Jude - that's great.

It looks like we're all set really!

Okay, lunch on the Saturday - I'm going to cook soup or stew and bake a load of bread, and maybe some potatoes or salad, and bring them down to Barholm for us all to eat - I figure it'll be easier than everyone trying to squeeze into Chez Devlin's (my parent's place).

Foodwise, for those self--catering - there are several grocery shops in Portaferry, one of which is on The Square, and another near The Square at the bottom of High Street.
There's a cafe (called "The Square") in (surprise!) The Square, but my sister informs me it's only open Wednesday to Saturday. There's also one called, I believe, Deli-licious. It does the typical lard-loaded Ulster Fry.
There are two chip shops - Joe's Hot Spot and The Ferry Grill, in the same locations as the two shops I just mentioned. There are also two Chinese restaurants, one of which is nearby on High Street. There are some "posher" restaurants - The Cornstore (on the way from Barholm up to The Square) and the designer-organic Narrows along the seafront.

Pubwise, I imagine we'll spend most time in Fiddlers Green and Dumigans. Avoid The Quiet Man - if you're over 18 you're too old for it!
Off-licence - Russell Cellars on The Square.

So, all we have to do is arrange a place to meet on Friday and Saturday. Perhaps I'll just hang around Fiddlers all day Friday in my Mudact t-shirt! ;)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 08:11 AM

All sounds good. Richard, will look forward to that. Greg and I will find someone on friday. Leave a message for us at the hostel? See you next week.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: GUEST,Micca
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 09:48 AM

Fibs, it looks like we may be the first arrivals on Friday by early afternoon I hope, we will be coming on public transport from Belfast International (any advice on how to do this please NOT by Pm please as my cookie has crumbled) and with luck folks will recognise one or t'other of us.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 11:47 AM

Hi Micca - transport info here with a link to Ulsterbus' website.

Belfast has two main bus stations: Europa (Glengall Street) and Laganside (Donegall Quay).
You get the airport bus from just outside Arrivals at the airport. It takes maybe 30 - 45 minutes to get to Belfast. It will probably go to Europa but you need to catch the bus to Portaferry from Laganside. There may be a linking bus between the two bus stations, but it's not that far - it can be walked. When getting the Portaferry bus at Laganside, try to get the more direct one - the one that goes via Kircubbin, rather than the long, windy, tedious one that goes via Portavogie or Ballywalter. Also, ask if you need to change at Newtownards (or in "Ards", as the town is also known). I think there should be direct buses via Kircubbin, but Newtownards is the biggest town along the way, and there's a bus station there that the bus might stop in for a while.

In Portaferry, the bus will drive into the town and will come to The Square - identifiable from the shape and the big Market House and a bus shelter. From there, walk behind the Market House and take the road that goes off to the right, downhill towards the sea and the castle (it will be signposted either "Castle Street" or "The Shambles"). Follow it down to the seafront and turn right. Barholm is on the right just past the lifeboat boathouse.

Note - for anyone driving, the Portaferry is one big one-way system. I think I posted details about this earlier.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: David Ingerson
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 12:06 PM

Thanks, Phillipa, for your response. I had heard about the Milwaukee event but must miss that for the same reason. Portland is a pretty good place for folk singing, though. I can count 17 singing sessions that happen each month. Unfortunately, many of them revolve around Rise Up Singing, but some are more traditional (in that people sing songs to each other instead of reading them to their blue book) and my sean nós and other Irish songs are welcomed there. Someday...someday I'll be back in Ireland.

David

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Leadfingers
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 03:41 PM

Instrumentally I will have a mandolin and a set of whistles.and IF there looks like being enough room I will probably manage the Banjola
as well.Small cars and flying precludes bringing any thinglike the full instrumentation.But it WILL be a good weekend.

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 12:07 PM

Micca, the bus from Aldergrove stops at Laganside bus station before going on to Glengall Street (Europa), so you won't need to bother with the link bus. Until today I was still hoping there was some way I'd be able to make it, in which case I'd have been glad to give you both a lift - both ways! (I'd have been flying out at 7.40am on Monday morning.) But as Phillipa pointed out, my plans were never definite - the story of my life, alas - and it just wasn't to be.

For any thinking of hiring a car, Alamo (I gave a link in an earlier post) definitely looks like the best deal around, and they don't charge more if you creep an hour or two beyond the 72 hours.

Someone asked about any music in the area on the Thursday night. There is a session at Lisbarnet House which is outside Comber, at the top of the peninsula, on Thursdays. Try contacting the Binghams, who live in Comber I think. (If the info is still needed, Philippa might be able to help - I recall her mentioning Leslie Bingham in a recent PM to me.)

(Jude, were were half right. I did live there for many years and my daughter does now, but my wife has for some reason recently declared me persona non grata at our house in Bangor!)

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 12:33 PM

Not long to go now.....Got the time booked off work.....got someone to feed the mog.....looking forward to seeing you all on Friday!!

Cat

Subject: RE: N. Ireland 2003 gathering - need numbers
From: momnopp
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 09:11 PM

Poooh! I sure wish I were joining you all!!!! But soon enough I'll find my way out there. There just wasn't a cost-effective way to make it this time 'round.

We'll have to get one of those amphibious buses and make a road trip of it! LOL

Hope you all have so much fun you can hardly stand it. AND REMEMBER TO TAKE LOTS OF PHOTOS!!!!!!

Peace and music

JudyO