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From: Hollowfox
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 01:20 PM

Oops, sorry. Thanks, Buck.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord of the Rings-towers-then Koreans oh
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 02:30 PM

Little Hawk, I don't believe Tolkien ever mentions Orc (or Goblin) females, except by implication from the idea that Melkor/Morgoth started with captured Elves, who clearly reproduce by sexual means, and spoiled them. He certainly never suggests anything that resembles the process suggested in the film.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Lord of the Rings-towers-then Koreans oh
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 02:59 PM

Yes, Dave, I thought the process in the film was quite inappropriate, but typical Hollywood stuff. I also thought the Orcs in general were a bit smaller than they are shown in the film, thus requiring quite a mob of them to take on Boromir and succeed in doing him mortal harm.

Hollow & Buck - I've read that marvelous piece Legolas & the Orcs. Very funny indeed! I do think, though, that Legolas would more likely just seek death in battle under such circumstances, or a quick escape to the Grey Havens (Cuba?). That's what I would do. :-)

Sauron had good reason for concern.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Lord of the Rings-towers-then Koreans oh
From: Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Jan 03 - 03:03 PM

Why was the process inappropriate? It was a great effect. Thankfully it was Hollywood!

Subject: RE: BS: Lord of the Rings-towers-then Koreans oh
From: Nerd
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 02:15 AM

TNDARLN

Re: the effects scene you mention. I don't think it was a glitch. I think the idea is that Legolas is so agile he can jump up on the horse; it looked fake because--well, nobody could really do that. I'm sure they used some computer effect to achieve it.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord of the Rings-towers-then Koreans oh
From: Hollowfox
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 11:36 AM

I agree with Nerd on this one, TND. TW, someone on another site (Filmforce) noted that when Haldir and the elven archers arrived at Helm's Deep, you couldn't hea their footfalls. I hadn't noticed this, so I guess I'll just have to see the movie again to check for myself.

Subject: RE: BS: Lord of the Rings-towers-then Koreans oh
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 01:23 PM

Heh. Friggin' nerds.

Very cool movie. I don't remember the second two LoTR books as well as the first (it's been a while), so I didn't notice as many book-film discrepancies as I did in FoTR. Gollum was perfect. They managed to do the Gollum/Sméagol argument without making it cheesy, and he looked so damned real. I hope Andy Serkis gets some kind of award recognition, other than the inevitable, dumb MTV Movie Award he'll recieve.

My main problem was with the Ents, and as LH mentioned, the complete absence of the Huorns. I don't mind that the Ents didn't really look the way I imagine them (they were leggier than I imagined, for instance...); it's not my movie. But the Ents trashing Isengard was my favourite part of the Two Towers book, and this scene was a disappointment for me in the film. I thought Jackson made their movements too human-like. I don't have a book on hand to quote Tolkien's description of the Ents' attack, but the way I remember it, they could move earth and stone as a tree would over centuries, but in very short time. So, big, leggy trees whipping boulders at Orthanc wasn't exactly what I had in mind.

The orc thing... Yeah, the way Saruman creates the Uruk-hai is a little cheesy, as are the Schwarzenegger-esque Uruk-hai themselves. They were larger than regular Orcs, though, and it was Uruk-hai who slew Boromir (at least in the movie... again, no book in front of me here). Well, there may have been Orcs about, but it was daytime, so they were probably hiding, hehe. There were regular Orcs mixed in with the Uruk-hai when Merry and Pippin escaped into Fangorn Forest, though... Oh, who cares.

They did have regular Orcs running around in broad daylight, though, which was annoying, as they can't. That annoyed me even more than that cave-troll the Fellowship fought in Moria in FoTR, prancing around in a sunbeam... :P

---Lepus Rex

Subject: RE: BS: Lord of the Rings-towers-then Koreans oh
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 02:15 PM

Perfection is an elusive thing, isn't it? Actually, I would have preferred thicker-bodied Ents too...and I was also a little disappointed in the Ent attack on Isengard.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Lord of the Rings-towers-then Koreans oh
From: NicoleC
Date: 04 Jan 03 - 02:33 PM

Well, I thought the Ents were great. Not like I imagined them at all, but great. A little stockier would have been nice -- they would have seemed more powerful. In TTT the book, the Ents hang out around Isengard for a while to tear it down, so we may see more of them in ROTK.

Speaking of ROTK, if you thought TTT was all about the battles, apparently ROTK is going to be more so -- and about 3 1/2 hours long. A movie that long ought to have an intermission...

Subject: RE: BS: Lord of the Rings-towers-then Koreans oh
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 05 Jan 03 - 07:31 AM

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