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Subject: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 24 Feb 03 - 02:40 PM I searched and didn't find anything about this on the forum. The U.S. and British government are spraying us with poisons. Links below go to some of the articles and sites I've found. I'm no meteorologist or aviation expert, but from what I've read there is a distinct difference between 'contrails' and 'chemtrails'. Contrails are formed by jet exhaust above 30,000 feet when humidity is 73% or above. Ice crystals. We've all seen them. But 'chemtrails' can appear anytime, anwhere. They USED to be sprayed up high, above 30,000, so they'd be confused with contrails, but now you see them much lower. And at times they criss-cross the sky. In central Texas I have seen dozens of chemtrails in an otherwise perfectly clear sky. I have seen planes cut the streams off and then turn them back on later in the same line of flight. And these clouds don't dissipate quickly like the ice-crystal clouds. Chemtrails hang around for hours sometimes and spread out slowly. Look for them in your area. No frontal activity but you still have a line a mile wide horizon to horizon? Things like that. Look in your area. Chances are you have chemtrails overhead. So what's in them? Particulate aluminum has been identified, as well as boron salts. The links below talk about various things. Bacteria are sprayed regularly...cases of that over Fort Polk, La. and Camp Leonard Wood have been admitted by the government. Opinions on the REASONS behind the spraying vary, but consensus seems to be our govts are dumping junk on us in order to destroy our immune systems. Then, a really bad strain of weaponized flu, or a toxic vaccine would have devestating effects (makes you wonder why the vaccine makers wanted to be excused from legal liability in the Homeland Security Act). Alzheimers increases could be a direct result of chemtrail activity, because a common feature found in brain autopsies of Alzheimers patients is elevated aluminum build-up. The first time I heard about chemtrails was when I read an article where the Air Force admitted they were spraying particulate aluminum in the air (mixing it in with jet fuel to be left behind in the exhaust). The govt had always denied this type of spraying and denied the 'greenhouse effect' of global warming, then in one press release the Air Force admitted the sprayings and said the aluminum was being used for 'reflectivity'...to reflect sunlight back into space before it could warm the surface of the earth. Hogwash. Anyway, this junkis being sprayed over our heads and washing down into our water supply. I tend to agree with the 'educate-yourself' article. Hope all the links work. U.S. admits chemical weapons tests US planes sprayed Wiltshire with Sarin Just last week...Minneapolis and Oklahoma (The top part of this page is from a television meteorologist in Minneapolis, and the bottom part is from a story that was pulled from the on-line paper in Norman, Oklahoma. Fortunately the text was saved on this website.) Photos of Chemtrails (Takes a while to load, but click on the photo group to the right...lines in the sky. Look at all the trails visible when the light is just right) Intelligent article on chemtrails Google search for 'chemtrails' for further reading Some people have estimated that the smallpox vaccine, if injected into all 300 million Americans, would kill 14-30 million, because of damaged immune systems. And GWBush just ordered a half-dozen new vaccines be prepared for forcible injection. Experts on chemtrail activity say there has been an explosive increase in their use over the past 30 months. Call me paranoid, but I think it's possible we're being made sick so polluted vaccines can kill us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Feb 03 - 03:26 PM Uh, Dreaded Guest, This is a snippit from the "intelligent article" you posted a link to:
What is a mutation? The dictionary says:
The Rise of Mutant Humans There are a great number of sources which claim that new strains of humans have been appearing over the past decade. Not all these sources are scientific, but that is expected with a topic at the fringe of current events. One example is Drunvalo Melchizedek, who in an interview by Diane Cooper (featured at this link) said:
Big words, fancy arrangement, but means nothing except a really vivid imagination. It's science fiction. (But I must say, you do great research and html, even if the results carry you far beyond the lunatic fringe!) SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Ebbie Date: 24 Feb 03 - 03:32 PM You poor guy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Feb 03 - 03:33 PM Opinions on the REASONS behind the spraying vary, but consensus seems to be our govts are dumping junk on us in order to destroy our immune systems. Then, a really bad strain of weaponized flu, or a toxic vaccine would have devestating effects (makes you wonder why the vaccine makers wanted to be excused from legal liability in the Homeland Security Act).There is one thing I always wonder about when I hear all these conspiracy theories: What do they have to gain by doing this? If nobody has anything to gain, then the alleged action doesn't make much sense - and then I suspect that the allegations are untrue. The U.S. Government has little to gain by preying on its own citizens and allies. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: artbrooks Date: 24 Feb 03 - 03:40 PM One of the web sited linked to above also claims that HIV/AIDS and Ebola were bioengineered in the US at the instigation of the Illuminati in order to reduce the world's population. This is apparently because they were advised by aliens in 1947 that another planet is going to pass through Earth, and there won't be time to prepare shelters for everyone. Yep, this is all good, useful, information. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Feb 03 - 03:44 PM Well, Art, Douglass Adams did some with with that idea, art, in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Moved Earth out of the way for an intergalactic freeway, if I recall. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 24 Feb 03 - 03:46 PM Made you look. The educate-yourself article is just one of thousands on the internet. One of the more interesting ones...aliens and replacement souls. I just threw it in to see if anyone was paying attention. Do the google search for more sober articles. But the undeniable FACT is that this is taking place. Why? They are dumping bacteria over Oklahoma. Why? I contend it is to weaken our immune systems. Look up 'Gulf War Syndrome and AIDS' and you'll see dozens of articles talking about the U.S. govt spraying the troops in Iraq with an 'anti-AIDS' vaccine. 40,000+ have died since then. Our governments are spraying us. They admit it. There are lists of what's IN the sprays, and NONE of the junk is good. And taken all together, it cannot HELP but make us sick...weaken our immune systems. Why are they doing this? You think this is bad, wait til I post about aspartame. And keep watching the skies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Feb 03 - 03:50 PM Yeah, I avoided nutrasweet for a long time. Finally gave up, it's in everything. It's probably something big industry scrapes out of the bottom of its fertilizer bins. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Ebbie Date: 24 Feb 03 - 03:54 PM You know, dreaded, hated guest, if the World Health Organization or anyone else is so insistent on reducing the world's population -and if any government is capable of such cost-ineffective methods as spray, why not just spray us with contraceptive agents? In ten years, given natural attrition coupled with disease and accidents, the population would have dropped so drastically it would take generations to make a comeback. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 24 Feb 03 - 03:58 PM Joe... Someone DOES stand to gain from killing us off. The people who created the 'paper money' system did it in order to buy all the land on the planet. They make you want something though you don't have the money, so they loan you paper to buy it. DEBT is created. You are in debt to the people who printed the money (central banks). This has been going on for hundreds of years now, and every once in a while there is a Depression, where people lose jobs and the price of real estate goes down. The people who print the money buy more real estate. And now we're beginning the last of these real estate consolidations. The people with the money are about to buy ALL the property in the world (though they'll have to kill a few billion folks in order to do it). So corrupt governments are being armed and people are being made sick, and between bullets and infections, the U.N. (organized crime syndicate) will eliminate 80-90% of us. Their figures show they need exactly half a billion people to 'tend the planet'. That's it in a nutshell. GWBush plans to FORCIBLY inject you now with not only smallpox vaccine, but ebola vaccine and half a dozen others. Most of us will die from those nasty injections...IF we are sprayed first with bacteria and other pollutants. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 24 Feb 03 - 04:06 PM Ebbie... Zero population growth is no longer adequate. Or so it seems. For some reason our leaders want to eliminate us. I think it's just the ultimate expression of their ego and greed. Not only do they want the entire planet, they want it all to themselves. I also think there are life-extending technologies they're hiding right now that would cause an even more explosive growth in population if they were made available to the public (cure for cancer?, etc.) So it's now or never. If the people in control don't seize the opportunity to kill us off and dumb down the ones who are left, they will lose their hold on power. Sage.... Yeah. Aspartame was developed as a chemical weapon. Just happened to be sweet. It's a carcinogen. Yet the FDA allows it's continued use. It's in thousands of foods now, as a sweetner. Like allowing save levels of cyanide in food. The stuff was developed by Monsanto, by the way. Rumsfeld's old company. They're also splicing rat and AIDS genes into corn and other plant crops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Ebbie Date: 24 Feb 03 - 04:14 PM One more time, dreaded, hated, deluded guest: do you realize that these 'monsters' you are describing are our neighbors, our friends, our family? These are human beings- just how many human beings do you know that are soul-less and evil? If you know even one, I hope that person is locked up. If you know three like that, you're hanging out with the wrong crowd. Even in science fiction, scenarios must be plausible. I suggest you entertain each other with more Can You Top This story lines. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 24 Feb 03 - 04:23 PM But they don't KNOW they're bad, Ebbie. Not the bureaucrats. A guy in the Air Force is told to open a valve for the 'fuel additive'. That's all he knows. He doesn't know it's bacteria or particulate aluminum. He's compartmentalized. If he understood the full import of what he was doing, he would probably ask for a transfer or a discharge. Compartmentalization is the key to all this. But it's spinning out of control for our leaders. The day Powell testified and made a fool of himself at the U.N., U.S. job figures came out. 20% increase in unemployment over the previous year...2 million U.S. jobs lost. So Powell acted like a buffoon in order to make himself the big story. HE knows what he is doing and is one of the evil ones, but most folks in the military don't know. They just follow orders in their little compartments. But the internet is the key to change right now. That's why I post this stuff. I mean, look at the first two links in the initial posting...those things HAPPENED. And I might make a hundred folks aware of it for the first time right here. HOW LONG can our corrupt govts maintain credibility under that kind of assault? The compartmentalization is breaking down and things are going to change. GWBush tries to make everything more secret at the moment in history when that becomes impossible...what a moron. No, I think the average person will make the right choice when the time comes. But unpleasantness like this needs to be aired. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,Guest Date: 24 Feb 03 - 04:26 PM When potatoes were first introduced into Ireland there were many pamphlets, broadsides, etc., claiming they were poisonous. Some maintained that it was an English plot to kill off the Irish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 24 Feb 03 - 04:35 PM The potato thing...most likely false reports planted by agricultural groups who stood to lose from a cheap new food source. I don't see the parallel here. Our own govts are admitting they're doing this. The question is why. Believe this or not, folks, I just wanted to make you aware of it. We ARE being sprayed with some nasty materials, and our govts only admit to it when they have to. I don't appreciate it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Don Firth Date: 24 Feb 03 - 04:49 PM Fear not, oh Pitiful One. All you need do to protect yourself from the multiplicity of threats that bedevil you is to line your hat with aluminum foil. I know this works because I read it on a website somewhere. (Theme from The Twilight Zone plays softly in the background. . . .) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 24 Feb 03 - 05:01 PM "Recently our new radar technology at WCCO-TV and government NEXRAD radar have detected a baffling phenomenon: Skies were crystal clear, yet the radar screen was scribbled with 200-mile-long contrails. The most likely explanation may be "chaff," a release of tiny particles, often used in Air Force military exercises. We have not been able to confirm this, though. In the last 10 days we've tracked these mystery clouds on three or four days, not just here, but also in Boston and south Florida. As soon as we learn more, we'll pass it on to you." Mobile My-Cast founder Paul Douglas is the WCCO-TV 4WarnSTorm Team's chief meteorologist. (That's a pretty good imagination I have, Don. I created a man and a whole TV station with this hallucination. I imagine I could even do a search and come up with an imaginary e-mail address for Paul Douglas if I were so inclined...ask him about it directly. You have been conditioned to deny the threatening). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 24 Feb 03 - 05:07 PM Hello Mr. Douglas, I was wondering if you followed up on the Feb 15 piece in which you said, "Recently our new radar technology at WCCO-TV and government NEXRAD radar have detected a baffling phenomenon: Skies were crystal clear, yet the radar screen was scribbled with 200-mile-long contrails..." This is an intriguing story, and I'd appreciate any further information. Thank you. (Just sent this...but I bet the CIA has already got to him...shut up or die). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,wdyat24 Date: 24 Feb 03 - 05:18 PM For Joe, " The US Government has little to gain by preying on US citezens..." I think that those incideous bastards certainly do! OIL! OIL! OIL! ARROGANCE! ARROGANCE! ARROGANCE! and GREED! GREED! GVREED! Sorry Joe, Don't be so naive. wdyat24 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,Buck Loco Date: 24 Feb 03 - 06:14 PM Hey Folks,I was just thinking, maybe the spraying is for the West Nile Virus or similar diseases that are just now making thier way to us because of global warming and that our governments are really trying to protect us without causing panic. Just an opinion. Buck |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: greg stephens Date: 24 Feb 03 - 06:18 PM How do you play a D chord? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: catspaw49 Date: 24 Feb 03 - 06:23 PM Greg, I don't think you can when your strings have popped which is the obvious case here............ Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: JohnInKansas Date: 24 Feb 03 - 07:17 PM Without further comment: A mini-review from The American Scientist Brain Power Dim-wittedness is the one thing that unites nature's most durable creatures, from sea turtles to jellyfish to paddlefish to nematodes. Short-lived prolific bugs tend to weather crises, as do some deep-water creatures, well insulated from events above, for instance, but there is little correlation between brain size and a species' long-term survival. Nature is loath to tamper with success, and it is loath to lay on brains where they are not needed. How and why brains develop in some animals and not in others is a mystery. The random mutations that increase brain size are probably ubiquitous, meaning that it is reasonable to expect that virtually every animal alive today has ancestors that produced brainier offspring which in turn had the chance to be fruitful and multiply. But the evidence is that with very few exceptions, evolutionary experiments to increase brain power have not taken. During the march of evolution, many animals have gotten smarter in the way we define it, but not much smarter. The likelihood is that nature has had more failures than successes when it comes to increasing brain size (and in evolutionary terms, the jury is still out on whether the human experiment will ultimately be a success or failure, but more about that later). The Octopus and the Orangutan: More True Tales of Animal Intrigue, Intelligence, and Ingenuity, Eugene Linden, Dutton, $23.95 Unshelved offers a glimpse of books recently received at the Bookshelf. A complete list of such books can be found at http:I/www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/newbooks.html. 2002 November—December p 557 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: leprechaun Date: 24 Feb 03 - 07:21 PM Well that does it for me. I'm gonna hold my breath for a week, at least until the contrails are cleared out of my system. I suggest you all do the same. I don't want to be standing here all by myself next week. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Bobert Date: 24 Feb 03 - 07:53 PM Well, danged, HG! Ain't this some kind a' mess ya' got us in this time. But, hey, with all the stupid stuff that we learn about the govmint doing, ya' can't put it past 'em. There will be a time when the planet has just too many danged folks and, well, ahhhhh, the govmint gotta do somethin'! Right? Wars are not ecomically fiesable. And genocide, well, out of vougue. Hitler messed that one up purdy good. So what's a govmint to do, HG? Thing, I don't understand is why the US ain't into birth control or family plannin'? (Well, except to tell folks not to have sex?) Seems that might be a little more humane. But what the heck do I know. Iz just an ol' hillbilly. And don't knock alzheimers if ya ain't tried it! Jus' funnin'. Really. Sorry that Ronnie got it but the boy weren't right without it... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Feb 03 - 07:53 PM Well, I have to admit that conspiracy theories can be very entertaining. Better than a Star Trek convention... The more preposterous the theory, the more excited people get about it. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 24 Feb 03 - 07:58 PM The last session of congress (107th) mentioned chemtrails in legislation that never got passed. The section below is from last year's House Resolution 2977. This same bill has been re-submitted for this session, but 'chemtrails' has been deleted. See...congress admitted chemtrails existed last year, but then they realized the public was so freaking scared of even ACKNOWLEDGING that their leaders were spraying them that they (the congress) didn't have to address the problem after all. And if you can't even look over your heads at the crap sifting down onto you, wait 'til they unleash the psychotronic weapons. And people wonder how America will be conquered: H.R.2977 SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS. (II) through the use of land-based, sea-based, or space-based systems using radiation, electromagnetic, psychotronic, sonic, laser, or other energies directed at individual persons or targeted populations for the purpose of information war, mood management, or mind control of such persons or populations; or (III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person. (B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as-- (i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons; (ii) chemtrails; (iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems; (iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons; (v) laser weapons systems; (vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and (vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons. House Resolution 2977 And in case you still don't know what chemtrails look like, the URL below will show you. If you've seen things like this in the skies above YOU, then you're breathing poison: More photos, interesting article |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Ebbie Date: 24 Feb 03 - 07:59 PM Gads, Joe O- can you imagine attending a Conspiracy Convention? All that skulking around and looking over one's shoulder and speaking out of the corner of one's mouth and knowing that the person down three place settings from you is a guvmint spy... Sounds like fun! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Donuel Date: 24 Feb 03 - 08:07 PM Edward Teller wrote a paper 9 years ago on the benefits of spraying reflective particulants to counter regional excessive warming of the atmosphere. The phenomena is only 7 years old but is quite real. That commercial jets have changed their fuel to JP7 may or may not have something to do with it. In DC we have had many of these so called chem trails. Here is what one looked like from our yard, north of DC 6 days after 9-11. (Note all commercial jets at National airport were grounded at the time.) http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/chem.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 24 Feb 03 - 08:08 PM This isn't a conspiracy, folks. Your government TRIED to get you interested...tried to get you behind this legislation...but you were too lazy to care. And now you are being poisoned. You REQUESTED this treatment through your silence. This is ALL IN PLAIN SIGHT. They are looking you in the eye as they kill you. You're not stupid people, so WHAT IS the problem? Legislation ADMITS the spraying, photographs are POSTED showing it, water samples taken under spray sights SHOW what was in the spraying, the government announces a SCHEDULE of spraying in Oklahoma, prominent weathermen show you the evidence on RADAR...eyes wide shut. You don't WANT to see this. Are you cowards? Really...tell me where the disconnect it. You are killing my family with this denial. What is the problem? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 24 Feb 03 - 08:14 PM Thanks, Donuel. Impressive. I should start taking photos, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Bill D Date: 24 Feb 03 - 09:59 PM "'There is no use in trying,'" said Alice; 'one can't believe impossible things.' 'I dare say you haven't had much practice,' said the Queen. 'When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.'" I am afraid I am an "Alice"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:12 PM Alice doesn't live here anymore. . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Bobert Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:14 PM Well, danged, HG! Ain't like no one knocked on the cabin door with this one, is it? I mean, like ol' Tom Jefferson said. Ahhhh, what did he say? Well, he said somethin' along the lines that democracy is dependent on an informed population and this "chemtrails" is new to me. Yeah, I see the stuff in the sky and thing it's just, ahhhh, airplane stuff. Now I can fly a Cesna but I don't really know too much about the reat of that airplane stuff and I reckon most folk here don't either. 'Cept you. Now we do. Or at least we think we do. Even Joe Offer didn't threaten to pull the plug on this one so I reckon this is some purdy serious stuff. Right? Alzheimers? Ya' say they're dropping stuff on us that can make us forget stuff? Hmmmmmm? Iz startin' to sniff the bigger picture here? Hmmmmm? So ya' reckon that they'll soften us up with alzheimers dust and then hit us with the heavy stuff? Hey, sounds real humane to me! Yeah, Bobert, like beam your boney butt up... Pass on the chemtrails, thanky... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Mudlark Date: 24 Feb 03 - 10:15 PM I don't know about what's in these trails, or whether or not they are dangerous, but I do know I hate seeing the sky crisscrossed with them. The sky used to be the one place to look for an absence of man's intervention (outside of LA smog, that is). As a lover of the natural world, and a photographer, I'm sick of seeing these most UNnatural patterns in the sky above my head. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Troll Date: 25 Feb 03 - 12:46 AM HELP!! HELP!! THE PARANOIDS ARE AFTER ME!!! In the Hitchhikers Guide to the Gallaxy the Earth was Destroyed to make room for an Intergallactic Bypass, not moved. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Feb 03 - 03:00 AM Yes, of course, Troll, you're correct. Destroyed completely. (But I'm okay; I have my towel with me). SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Bill D Date: 25 Feb 03 - 11:17 AM well, dreaded, hated, bemused, befuddled "guest".....I believe I have found someone who can help you. He is an inventor who lives in Canada...specifically, in Ennismore, Ontario. (All details are in the link I provide) He seems like he can handle almost any concern you have. No, don't thank me..... link to the newsgroup sci.military.naval |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 25 Feb 03 - 12:13 PM Fine, folks. But the next time you're outside all day and hacking and coughing and don't know why, look up. Chemtrails used to be sprayed high, but they're coming lower. Used to be that, at six miles up, the drift would carry the visible trail to fall somewhere over the horizon. But now they're spraying much lower, so your cough may be a direct result of the trail you see. I ran a search of JP7, the fuel Donuel mentioned, and came up with this. Just one small little research project: http://www.csuchico.edu/biol/personnel/Hanne/ResearchGroup.html "The above group of undergraduate and graduate students are participating in a research group which has been studying biodegradation for approx 12 years. Previous student research groups have isolated several strains of Arthrobacter which degrade nitrophenols and a strain of Nocardioides which degrades JP7 jet fuel. The nitrophenol degrading Arthrobacter carry a large (approx 60 kb)plasmid which contains the degradative genes and several putative transposons. This year we have initiated a new research project on the effects of Salmon migration on the water chemistry and microbial communities in the Feather River." This would account for the 'plasma' a lot of people have reported. 'Chaff'. Believe what you want folks, but this stuff doesn't even require 'belief'. Our govt sprayed use with Sarin nerve gas, just like Saddam Hussein did. And the visible evidence of spraying is above your heads daily...getting more frequent. And your environmental groups tell you to hug trees and picket for whales, while YOU are the main target. Amazing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Bill D Date: 25 Feb 03 - 12:30 PM well, since I live near Wash DC, I'll just meander down to the White House and shout and wave my fists at the gate and show them printouts of your posts...that oughta get some reaction...and my picture in the Wash Post! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 25 Feb 03 - 01:01 PM Carry a plastic gun and play hide and seek. That'll get more reaction. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Grab Date: 25 Feb 03 - 01:29 PM In your convenient Google search, Guest, it came up with this site which comprehensively debunks "chemtrails", specifically mentioning the first site on the Google search (www.carnicon.com) as being the subject of a hoax. Of the other sites on that Google search page, all of them posit alien or paranormal activity. And all those photos "proving" this look like plain old contrails to me (and to meteorologists who've looked at them, apparently). I don't know how any reasonable person could consider this "evidence". As far as "spraying bacteria" goes, your sites mention spraying with Bacillus Thuringia as one of the elements of that "chaff" spray. See this link for details of that bacterium. The key quote is "Bacillus thuringiensis (or Bt) is a naturally occurring soil bacterium that can be found widespread in nature. It is known as a insect pathogen that is a simple spore forming, infectious bacterium. As a spore Bt produces toxin crystals that are unique crystalline endotoxins. This feature makes it a powerful insecticide that has no or little environmental repercussions." Shit, it shouldn't be allowed, spraying us with harmless substances... I miss the relevance of your last link. Petroleum products are difficult to clean up when they spill, and engineered (through natural breeding or otherwise) bacteria which would break them down are one possibly solution for this. I have no idea what you're talking about with the word "plasma", because this doesn't figure anywhere (unless you've misunderstood the meaning of the word "plasmid" used by biologists). Regarding your other posts, I don't have any problems believing that the nutters at Porton Down were playing silly bastards in the 60s and 70s - we know this for a solid fact. These are the guys who've made Gruinard Island in Scotland uninhabitable by covering it with anthrax. In context, this was at the height of the Cold War, and the military were going for broke on all this stuff in all countries. I believe there was an accident in the US around the same time, where a military site in Ohio nearly gassed an entire city through accidentally releasing some nerve toxin - fortunately the wind was in the wrong direction. If people are going to play silly bastards, shit happens and things go wrong. Accidents happen. However, it's one thing to suggest that there have been accidents or that the military has run tests on their land, and an entirely nother thing to suggest that they plan on poisoning all of us, INCLUDING themselves. That requires a serious level of proof to convince us, evidence which can't be ignored. You have not provided sufficient proof to convince me, personally, and it seems you haven't convinced anyone else either. Your evidence is utterly flimsy. I've quite prepared to believe all politicians are all a bunch of devious weasels. However I'm less prepared to believe they're all mass-murderers who are prepared to not only murder other people, but also to kill their families and themselves. Every single politician in the US and the UK? And all their aides, assistants, secretaries, etc? bcos they'd have to be in on the conspiracy too. I think not, somehow. To quote Carl Sagan: "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." Everyone else posting on this board thinks your ideas are ridiculous and without basis in fact (no matter how much you capitalise words). Consider that maybe *you* are the one with the problem. If you do genuinely have a family with whom you live, I feel very sorry for them - living with you in this condition must indeed be killing them. Graham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Feb 03 - 01:41 PM Grab, Tongue in cheek really helps when participating in this thread. But you did a nice rebuttal--I have only dipped into a couple of sites to get the gist of what the argument was. Now that we have a handle for this Guest, I kind of look forward to seeing what he'll come up with next. (This isn't, however, an endorsement for starting lots of new threads. I think we can afford some major thread creep on some of these BS threads and keep it all in one place). SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 25 Feb 03 - 02:04 PM Gee, Grab...U.S. planes spraying Sarin nerve gas on you people doesn't worry you? Sounds like the stuff did it's job. And it's OK to haul naturally-occurring ground crap up into the air and hit us with it from above? Sounds like YOU are the one with things upside-down. The pictures are not doctored. There are thousands of them on the internet. And I recalled reading about the streams donuel mentioned near DC...read about those back when it happened, when all commercial aircraft were supposed to be grounded. Those things initially caused a bit of a panic because all planes were SUPPOSED to be grounded. For some reason, Monsanto and other companies are being allowed to go forward with tens of thousands of gene-splicing experiments...affecting our food crops, animal food sources, etc. Meanwhile, the environmentalists are being focused on the same old cliched issues. But the questions remain...why are unpredictable and irrevocable gene-tampering experiments being allowed, and why are known pollutants being intentionally dumped on us from aircraft? An attempt is being made to either weaken our immune systems or change our genetics. Some of the things we're now being exposed to (modified corn, etc) CAN change genetic make-up once it is metabolized. Maybe this is the population-control device some of you referred to. Someday, the cumulative effect of all this will be lowered sperm count or female infertility, and the 'population problem' will be a thing of the past. Personally (since we're being threatened with forced injections now), I hold with the idea of the weakened immune system leading to death after injection. And the Porton Downs stuff...30-40 years is NOTHING to a government which intentionally issued smallpox-infected blankets to Native Americans. It was YESTERDAY the U.S. Airforce sprayed the Brits with Sarin nerve gas. I'm sure you DO want to debunk this, but you haven't succeeded. You're scared. And rightly so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 25 Feb 03 - 02:11 PM Oh...and as for the elite murdering themselves, they have bunkers to escape all this. They have alternate food sources and will survive. And yes, they are capable of something this monstrous. Hitler was human and Stalin probably drew pictures of flowers in school. Your problem is you just can't imagine the magnitude of the deeds these sociopaths are contemplating. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: artbrooks Date: 25 Feb 03 - 02:37 PM "Dreaded Guest"? No...pathetic, perhaps, but I guess we provide a needed outlet for his/her paranoia and other mental aberations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 25 Feb 03 - 03:48 PM Your govt and environmental groups encourage you to hug trees while dumping a hundred different toxins on you. The evidence is in the sky if you just lift up your eyes. If you need further proof, go to the govt's own releases TELLING you they've sprayed you with Sarin nerve gas. There...that's as simple as I can make it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Rustic Rebel Date: 25 Feb 03 - 05:00 PM I heard an Art Bell broadcast years ago about this. His guest was an air traffic controller, confirming that it was a military operation for weather modification. Which it could be. He said that the military is pouring aluminum into the sky to reflect the sunlight.The aluminum creates sickness to many people. IF that is what is in these chemtrails. It is one theory that I can believe. There was nationwide protests in 1999 trying to stop this from happening, but just take a look right here on this thread at what the majority thinks, that shows you how much denial there is, in contrast worldwide. Just a couple of weeks ago I saw these same effects in the sky in MN. I commented on them when I saw them. I am going to also post a link to an interesting article and a site that has numerous articles and links including a number of military articles on weather control. Nexus Mag. article greatdreams (this site has the most informative article way down at the bottom) RR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest Date: 25 Feb 03 - 08:30 PM Thanks for posting the links, Rebel. I read the article at the first one earlier and recognized it from long ago. I'm surprised my search earlier didn't turn it up...it's one of the first ones I ever read. And I'm looking at the second site now. It's amazing. So much information... Black Light...filaments Story above is from Rebel's second site...one of the hundreds of links...story about ultra-violet, black light, exposure after chem trail spraying. and this crap is going into your lungs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Chemtrails From: Don Firth Date: 25 Feb 03 - 08:59 PM EGAD! Why didn't I see this before? You're right Maggie! Thanks! Knida like watching Spongebob Squarepants! Don Firth |
