Subject: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: harlowpoet Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:08 AM Over the years at various singarounds, occasionally, often three quarters of the way through a song, the singer forgets the words, and invariably commences a new song instead. My view of the matter is that if you forget the words, you should not be rewarded, by getting to do another song, but you should in fact be penalised for not getting it right, and be made to sit it out until the turn comes round again, when you might not be so careless about forgetting the words. What do other mudcatters think on this? Incidentally, at our folk club. we're thinking about getting a gong, to signal when this occurs. Anyone got one going spare? |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: GUEST,MMario Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:11 AM I've forgotten words - often the last verse - but normally you then give way to the next singer - (unless of course ASKED to do something else...) |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:16 AM The famous Black Hole followed our session from the Glengarry to the Shannon to member's homes. Folks who lose the words gaze upwards searching for those lost words. Folks who know them offer them & the song continues. If no-one knows, the next person usually takes over. Incidentally, the Black Hole has followed singers to Festivals & concerts, too. sandra |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Snuffy Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:24 AM If you go blank in the first couple of verses, it's usual to be allowed another song, but after that you really should give way. (My problem is usually not remembering the words, but the tune) |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Kevin Sheils Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:24 AM I tend to simply stop and tell them what happens next (eg "they caught him and hanged him") and let things pass on. Sometimes it's not simply a matter of forgetting the words. I dried up a verse and a half from the end of "Ekefield Town" in the Volunteer at Sidmouth. I swear I knew all the words that were to come but (in marathon running parlance) I hit the wall and couldn't continue. Well it was Tuesday after all. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: radriano Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:31 AM Forgetting lyrics is not always due to carelessness, harlowpoet. Do you think getting a gong to further humiliate a singer who probably feels bad enough about forgetting words might say something about your own intolerance and inhumanity? |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:37 AM I think the gong is a brilliant idea. There is no excuse at all for fogetting your, erm, you know, whatsits... thingies... :D |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: VIN Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:37 AM Of course if you're accompanying yourself on an instument you could play until you remember the words - or schithereee idle doodle your way through it. I think politeness usually allows a person time to 'recover'and carry on especially for those who may be nervous and/or not used to 'performing' in front of an audience, like me,(especially if your likely to get 'gong-ed' or penalised). Usually the person acting as mc will let you know if its one or two songs in your slot. If i fluff on the first song, i would embarrasingly go on to the second. If i fluff on that aswell, i'd apologise and sit down. I've found people are usually quite understanding and sympathetic - sort of 'don't worry mate, we've all bin there' etc. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Watson Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:41 AM In the singarounds / sessions I go to, Rule one: there are no rules. I usually turn to my partner and say "what happened next?" she never knows, but it gives me enough breathing space to pick up the momentum. So, if I dry, I won't launch into another song, I won't be penalised, but there is no humiliation, just a promise to myself that it won't happen again - but it always will! |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Mark Dowding Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:43 AM I'm sure we've all had our senior (and not so senior!) moments when the next word or line doesn't pop into your mind's eye. I can go to a club in the car and practice singing the whole song perfectly without mistake or waver and when it's my turn at the club, launch into the song and forget the first line and completely blow my spot or wonder why the story jumps then realise I've got the verses the wrong way round or I've mixed up the ends of verses (not that it happens very often I hasten to add - I'm not that senile - yet) Anyway isn't the trend these days to have a book full of your songs in front of you to avoid these moments of forgetfulness? Mind you I've seen people make of mess of reading as well and it doesn't make your performance better either when you're concentrating on the written word. What happened to learning songs in the first place and developing a style of performance? Cheers Mark |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: tar_heel Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:44 AM it happens to me on songs that i've been singing since i was a kid...so,i have the words handy,just in case...BUT,i make the audience feel comfortable about it by explaining that when you get my age(67 in oct,this year)that there is this thing that us senior citizens have called,"a senior moment"...and we all get a good laugh out of it and i see nothing wrong with using words on a music stand... |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Steve Parkes Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:46 AM Now, now, settle down -- let's remember where we are! I think harlowpoet is thinking in terms of people who don't take enough trouble to learn a thing properly; after all, they are supposed to be entertaining us, not we indulging them. But as you say, Radriano, humiliating someone who already feels very silly is not constructive, nor is it tolerant. I've dried in things I've been singing or reciting for years and years: it's a talent of mine! Ocasionally is it due to sloppiness on my part, but usually it's due to the flighty Muse pulling the plug on me. I usually manage to joke my way out of it (at least, everyone laughs at my remarks), but it's still annoying, embarrassing, frustrating for me. Be gentle with us, harlowpoet! I've even seen Tom Paxton lose a song half-way through, so its not just us hams. Steve PS The Muse is Anacreon, I think. Does Terpsichore ever do the same to you dancers? |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Steve Parkes Date: 04 Sep 03 - 11:55 AM I'l have to learn to type faster -- four people posted between me ad the post I was responding too. When I was a little lad of around ... well, about 26,I dropped into the local student folk club, got up for a couple of songs, and forgot the first one just at the last verse. This was a shame, as it was a comic song, and now had no punchline. I made a witticism or two, then cracked on with the next song (which went accoding to plan, thank goodness). Later on, I was accosted by a youth in the gents (eek!), who went on at some length, bless him, about how great he though I'd been: a musician would have simply played on till it came back, but there was I, naked on the stage, cracking jokes and talking my way out of it. Since then I've never looked back (not in the gents,anyway!) Steve |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Watson Date: 04 Sep 03 - 12:00 PM Which way do you look in the gents then, Steve? - I'll be sure to stand the other side. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Noreen Date: 04 Sep 03 - 12:05 PM understanding and sympathetic as Vin says, is the rule in any singarounds I've been involved with. It can happen to the most experienced, best prepared singer- I was heartened(!) when Martin Carthy lost his words in the middle of a long ballad in a concert a couple of years ago- he did some clever things with his guitar to fill in til he found them again. Unaccompanied singers don't have that option, and the silence accompanying the forgotten words can be painful as everyone wills the singer to remember the words. Problem is, the more you worry about forgetting the words the more likely you are to forget them... so I trust your suggestion of a gong is a mere bagatelle, harlowpoet! Mind you, at Jude's splendid singarounds in the Tap & Spile at Whitby, a badge saying 'Learn the Words' is passed to a singer at the first hint of a fluffed or dropped line. The badge is then worn with pride until it's passed with great hilarity to the next unwilling recipient... so it all depends on how it's done! |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Peterr Date: 04 Sep 03 - 12:17 PM Likelihood of forgetting words is closely allied to quantity imbibed. Still and all, I believe you should do people the courtesy of learning your words, not using a book. If the powers that be make you forget them at the critical moment, we've all been there, but better to have tried etc. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Steve Parkes Date: 04 Sep 03 - 12:21 PM I think Peterr has hit the nai on the head. The more you drink, the more relaxed you become, and theeasier it is to relax and let the words simply flow. The first sign of nerves or tension, and they dry up! Steve |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Forsh Date: 04 Sep 03 - 01:01 PM I remember my 1st time at a folk fest, Bromyard in 1974, I was at me dad's side, (Alan Forsh') and mostly stoned or pi**ed, Every song/chorus that I tried to join in with, I mucked up, much to Forsh 1's embarasment. On the last night, there was a camp fire thing going on in a field, (No, not a load of foppishly dressed limp-wristed englishmen, I meen the other sort of camp) Vin Garbutt was there, joining in, with a few remaining copies of 'Valley of Tees' under his arm. They were all doing a wonderful rendition of 'Martin Said', the harmonies grew better with each passing verse, and, wishing to impress Vin and the crowd at the fire, I drew attention, indicating that I had a verse to add, well, I Folked it right up, and the song fizzled, I was left to slink off alone, eyes burning my back, I decided that I had to either learn the songs better, or write my own! 'on the last night of the festival, sitting round a fire, singing 'Martin said to his man' I was pi**ed & Wrecked & tired, but I joined in with the singing of that famous old folk song, and when it cam to my turn, I got it bloody wrong! The folk around the camp fire, turned & stared at me, it seemed that I had ru-i-end their 5 part harmony, I snuck of like a thief in the night, but then thought 'wot the hell' I will write me own folk songs (and get them wrong aswell) If anyone woould like these lyrics in full, just say so! other lyrics wot I wrote can be found here:(CLICK) |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Linda Kelly Date: 04 Sep 03 - 01:36 PM forgetting words isn't necessarly about not learning them properly -i forget words of songs I have written. A gong is a crass idea. People should not restart but finish the song. If they cannot remember anymore they should not be encouraged to start another as that is also tiresome. You can make them miss a go -but I can name you some top flight singers who regularly forget words and I would rather have half a song from them than a whole rendition of Matty Groves sung by someone word perfect and off key throughout. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 04 Sep 03 - 01:40 PM Mark Dowding: I would NEVER use a book or printed words when singing in public! Well, almost never; I suppose I have at some time in the past, but I can't remember when it might have been. I won't say that I've never come up dry in full flight on a song, but it's as likely to be a song I've been singing for fifty years (and maybe sang last night) as it is a "new" song that I've not learned the words to. Dave Oesterreich |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Forsh Date: 04 Sep 03 - 01:44 PM Never mind the shame of the gong or the stigma of the Tap & Spile Badge, why not go the whole hog and throw fruit and vedg, in the true tradition, you horrid folk facists! :) |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Sep 03 - 01:53 PM Depends how embarassed you want to be... I used to be embarassed about having a book in front of me, but decided it was a lot less stressful than forgetting the words to every song I ever learned or wrote, and yes, I do mean learned. I can sing them all, word perfect, sitting here at the computer, in the car, at work (to my colleagues annoyance) and in the bath - but put me in front of a knowing audience and they all dissipate from my head. The gong is not nice, the badge is funny but could be taken in the wrong way if it's a newcomer and their first time. Best of all, learn tolerance. LTS |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: GUEST,The Fantum Date: 04 Sep 03 - 01:56 PM The best prepared fail with words sometimes it goes with the territory what should not happen is to make the singer feel worse than they already do. There aint enough of us folkies to start discouraging each other. No gongs no badges no stigma lets do a bit of helping our fellow man. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: John Routledge Date: 04 Sep 03 - 01:56 PM All most of us seem to require is that the "forgotten words" singer retire gracefully :0) |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Lanfranc Date: 04 Sep 03 - 01:59 PM Although I will sometimes work "off the dots" for some songs on a long gig (say 2 hours plus), I do try to work from memory. Up to press my memory has been quite good, but increasing antiquity can cause the odd "senior moment". Busk or make it up is usually my solution. "In the middle of Sir Patrick Spens I forgot the twenty-seventh verse So I sang the forty-second Twice as fast and back to front And no-one noticed!" (Parody of "The Boxer" - Noel Murphy et al) To my knowledge harlowpoet always reads his poems, so ... Tolerance is best - "Judge not, lest ye also be judged"! Alan |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Noreen Date: 04 Sep 03 - 02:03 PM (The badge wouldn't be given seriously to anyone, particularly a newcomer.) |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Mary Humphreys Date: 04 Sep 03 - 02:19 PM I think the best strategy is to ask if anyone knows the words. Usually someone does. I have been at several sessions/singarounds where being able to help out with the few forgotten words has saved both a song performance and a singer's self-esteem. And it has happened to me in the past too - no-one can say they are going to be word-perfect. I always appreciate someone giving me a clue as to what the next few words are, 'cos that's all it takes to get back on line. My opinion on singing from books is best kept to myself. I do, however think that making an example of someone who has trouble with learning words is not a very kind way to encourage them into what is a very dwindling interest group. Why can't we be generous and welcoming? |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Mark Dowding Date: 04 Sep 03 - 02:44 PM Uncle Dave O - I'm glad to hear it. I will admit I've had the odd time where I've had the words with me as a safety net if it's a song I'm learning but I go to a club that wonders how the hell I remember all the songs I do as they shuffle through folders and files to find a song - there's another thing - if people must read from words why don't they get the song they want out of the file ready instead of spending time looking for it? I don't know whether clubs that run singarounds where you "sing from where you are sat" are getting more prolific than the "get up to the front to do your bit" type of clubs which makes it easier to have a book/folder open on the table in front of you? Maybe we can get an idea of that through this thread. I go to two clubs that are "sing at the front" and one that is a "sing where you're sat" If I know the words that someone's forgotten, I'll always put them back on track with a reminder - I had cause to do that the other night; and I'm very grateful if someone does the same to me! I had a song - King Cotton by Mike Harding - that I just couldn't get through without forgetting it or getting the verses wrong - so much so that I didn't sing it for a few years. I then revisited it and relearnt it - no problem with it now - I hope! Somebody told me that Jake Thackray had a terrible night once doing a concert where he couldn't get through his songs and he didn't have any words with him as a reminder. He was most embarrassed and apologetic to the audience so it happens to the best of us. Cheers Mark |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Forsh Date: 04 Sep 03 - 03:16 PM I see Liz the Squeak, Guest Fantam and Mary Humphreys have got my drift. I s'pose that if you are in a club where you are a regular, and among friends, a bit of a barrack aint too bad if it's in jest, but I still say that encouragement and an ability to tollerate mistakes with a smile are my idea of pre-requisites at any Folk Club I would frequent. :) |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: GUEST,robinia@eskimo.com Date: 04 Sep 03 - 03:20 PM So |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: clansfolk Date: 04 Sep 03 - 03:27 PM Let him who is without sing cast the first tone! |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: GUEST,robinia Date: 04 Sep 03 - 03:37 PM Someone asked if the muse ever deserted dancers like this -- with complicated Scottish country dances it surely does, and it's darned embarrassing when you've messed up a whole set of dancers! With me, at least, I think the loss of memory hinges on a critical loss of focus (saying "oh this is a piece of cake" and then, suddenly, wondering where I go next...) robinia |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Micca Date: 04 Sep 03 - 04:07 PM On Having the words handy, I find it less embarrassing to have the book handy than that of forgetting the words, this especially applies to songs I wrote (it is easy to get side tracked into ealy drafts of a song). Having said that , At Towersey this year the number of singers that forgot the words in the singaround was so large it looked like it was almost expected of everyone to Fluff at least ONCE!!!! |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Sep 03 - 05:04 PM Noreen - and anyone else who gives out badges of shame - what 'you' find funny and what others find funny are completely different things. 'You' may pass on something in the spirit of taking the piss, but sometimes, the recipient may take 'you' at 'your' word, in which case, 'you' will end up with an unhappy punter who feels insulted. Should this unhappy, insulted punter then go off and tell their friends, then 'you' will end up with a terrible reputation and no-one in 'your' club. LTS |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: shortybrenda Date: 04 Sep 03 - 05:30 PM My favourite trick in a singaround is forgetting a complete verse, consequently I sometimes do very short songs. I don't go back and try to fill in the gap. If I forget during a verse I tend to lah lah, and I find that generally people are very forgiving. However I do feel that someone who starts more than 2 songs on one turn should learn to give in more graciously until the next time round. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: jacqui c Date: 04 Sep 03 - 05:32 PM I've been singing now for about three years and still have the book with me when I go the the various singarounds in the area. Some songs I do know right through and can do without recourse to the words but others I just haven't been able to keep in my head. I think it is nerves - a good friend of mine, good guitarist and singer, who has been into the music, although not performing, for many years still finds it difficult to work without the music and words in front of him because, being rather shy, he gets very nervous when he performs. If he didn't have that paper he wouldn't play and that would be a real loss. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: GUEST Date: 04 Sep 03 - 05:44 PM I remember reading a saying that amateurs practice to get it right while professionals practice so they can't get it wrong. No-one's being paid at a singaround so it's fine to fluff it as long as you've tried to get it right. As for starting another I would agree with previous contributors that it's OK if you've just started and forgotten the first or second verse but after that it seems a bit self indulgent. All down to context and numbers of participants as well though. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: GUEST,Russ Date: 04 Sep 03 - 06:54 PM harlowpoet, I apologize for being dense, but why do you (and apparently the rest of your folk club) care whether someone sings a song or a song and a half? My experience has been that when a group decides to go round-robin everybody is pretty relaxed about it and nobody keeps score. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Noreen Date: 04 Sep 03 - 07:36 PM Liz, thank you for your revolutionary analysis. Credit 'me' with some sensitivity. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Steve Parkes Date: 05 Sep 03 - 03:51 AM Missing out a verse is my favourite trick, especially if it'scrucial t the story. The Appalachian "Mery Golden Tree" version of "The Golden Vanity" is a real song with a crucial verse missing (I forget which one!), and it's been handed down with a story that makes no sense. Steve PS Liz, I'd never have associated your name with "dissipation"! |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: MartinRyan Date: 05 Sep 03 - 04:39 AM I've been singing a (relatively compact) version of The Flying Cloud > for many years. I know its not the full thruppence-worth but it DOES make sense and I CAN remember it! Any way, after years of good-natured slagging about my "Readers Digest" version, I started to try to slip in one or two more verses to flesh it out (make it obese?). So far, I invariably trip up as I reach them - the seams still show. Sometimes, then, the problem is not remembering the words - but forgetting the gaps! Regards |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: JudeL Date: 05 Sep 03 - 04:41 AM It's embarrassing enough blanking on a song without some self rightous twatt subjecting you to further humiliation by banging a gong or pinning a badge on you. I admit I often have problems and blank on words and it isn't that I haven't learnt them. Songs that may be relatively new to me or have been learnt recently (often to fit in with a themed session) I am more likely to have someone sitting with the words so If I have a problem I can be prompted. It's more frequently songs that I know very well and have been singing for a long time that for some unknown reason I blank on a word and I can & have done this when totally sober so it's not only alcoholic amnesia. & then there's the problem of knowing more than one song to the same or similar tunes ( not alsways parodies) and suddenly realising part way through a verse that you are singing an odd verse from the other version! |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: harlowpoet Date: 05 Sep 03 - 04:45 AM Thanks to all the replies to this thread, which I hope is seen as a lighthearted one. Keep em coming. Actually I mentioned the gong as a bit of a joke. Our folk club has always been laid back and very tolerant anyway. I'll come clean and say that I'm a reciter rather than a singer, and as Lanfranc mentioned I usually have the words in front of me. If I did sing I'd probably forget the verses anyway. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: MartinRyan Date: 05 Sep 03 - 04:53 AM ..and then sometimes I just forget to close my HTML tags! Regards |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: GUEST,Ray Padgett Date: 05 Sep 03 - 04:58 AM every one forgets words, odd ones escape me, but you can usually pick up on the next verse. My complaint is about long ballads etc sung from sheets ~ everyone should try to learn and hone the song, it should be a matter of knowing why you are singing the song, that it means some thing to you, I can't learn songs that don't mean something I agree with JudeL about crassness ( sorry Lady Alfleda) of badges, sometimes you can laugh it off like John Kirkpatrick, large repertoires of songs need to be constantly refreshed, and 4 pints to one song is not a good average (tho'usual in a singaround) particulary at Whitby Many of the sing arounds I have Mcd I have been able to prompt or some one else has,( if a well known song) and helps keep the gist/momentum good singaround hosts, who actually listen and are empathetic are hard to find, and it's not easy to listen for hours on end, hosts are often taken for granted (is my slip showing ?) |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: MartinRyan Date: 05 Sep 03 - 05:05 AM Yes - there's a difference between "forgetting" and "not attempting to learn"! Regards |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: Barry Finn Date: 05 Sep 03 - 05:24 AM I can't think of many, pros included, that haven't at one time or another missed a verse or 2 or ccouldn't finish what they started. Those that earn their keep from singing practice far more than most & they are constantly refreshing their stock so they tend to forget less but still most forget once in a while. I'd always give the singer a chance or 2 to recover or if I knew the line I'd pass it along but if the song has been sung more than a few verses pass it over. I can't imagine some one singing a 10 verse ballad & forgeting the last 2 verses then start up with another 8 verse song only to get through most & lose it again at the end, bad taste. But to call some one on forgetting it is just not the way to go about it. How about a little encouragement or "hey you made a good go at it. It's a nice song would you bring it in again". Personally I'd rather not see books or notes unless someone's trying out a song & is looking for feed back. When the singer makes the song theirs, & they should IMHO before they sing it, I'd rather hear half a song from them than a word perfect song that isn't theirs sung off a sheet. When the singer has internalized the song & made it theirs it's a lot easier to sing it even if they haven't done it in a year or so, it makes it a lot easier to refesh it just prior to singing it too. Some sessions every one brings in a book & notes & does the same song off the same page all together, over & over. Makes for a pretty boring sing. If someone wants to start up a practice session that's something else. If the singer's a beginner that's a horse of a different color too. They should be encourged to sing the songs they want to & learn them, then help to weaned them away from reading the song. The RUS sessions have been hashed & rehashed here over the years I'm not about togo there. Be kind to the singer you may learn a thing or 2 from them, even the beginner & the novice have things to teach (they may not know it but) & offer to others to those more seasoned. There's always the side (& responsibility) where the seasoned should take the unseasoned & help them along the road a bit. Barry |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 05 Sep 03 - 05:25 AM Actually, more times than not, harlowpoet does his pomes without the words in front of him. And from time to time he totally blanks out, like the rest of us. Interesting to see the numnber of people here who took his tongue-in-cheek suggestion seriously. It seems it's not just some of the Yanks who have a bit of problem with the irony at times... Sometimes it isn't the words that go missing, but the tune, either remembering how it goes, or finding a key that doesn't leave your voice stranded at the top or bottom, more especially when you aren'tb using an accompaniment. |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: John Robinson (aka Cittern) Date: 05 Sep 03 - 05:45 AM "you should in fact be penalised for not getting it right" Was there ever a time when singarounds where meant to be fun? |
Subject: RE: Singarounds- Forgetting your words From: The Barden of England Date: 05 Sep 03 - 06:03 AM I come from the school of thought that believes if you're half way through a song and you can't remember it, and if someone prompts you, you still can't remember it then pass on, it's only good manners. On the other hand I can't see the objection to somebody having words with them and using them as memory joggers or even to sing each and every line, as no-one seems to object to dots, i.e. some-one reading music, so what's the difference - forgetting the words or the music? As for professionals, well Sid Kipper and Les Barker read from their lines all the time, and there are times I wish Roy Bailey would do the same. It's an elderly moment for many of us. |
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