BS: What did Jesus really look like?

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Cluin
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 07:17 AM

Predjudice can work both ways: for or against.
But both ways get in the way.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 01:13 AM

One can speculate forever about what Jesus looked like. My guess is that he had fairly dark skin and dark hair, but it's just a guess. What difference does it make anyway? And what did Judas look like? And what did Mary Magdalene look like? Hmmm? How about Peter?

Kirk Douglas is a Jew. Does he "look like" a Jew? Does it matter?

Does it matter if someone is or is not a Jew? Not to me. Maybe to you. That's your business, I guess, isn't it?

I used to like American Indians ("Native Americans"?) better than all other people in the World. I was strongly prejudiced in their favour. I got over it. Now I like everyone, unless they (on an individual basis, I mean) give me a very good and direct reason not to like them.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 09:15 PM

Answers to various things:

First, the question:

Were there an historical Jesus, I believe he would have looked like the Jews of his time and place. By description they do sound black, but their skin is swarthy rather than dark, and their noses are more prominent and curve out and down, rather more broad and curving than down and out.

Note however that when I first got to the US for college, I not only couldn't tell whether a person looked Jewish, I thought that calling certain awful women JAPs was an insult to a nice Asian people. I got educated, now I can tell if someone looks Jewish, but it basically means they look Semitic, like Arabs, to me. But I was rather appalled that these Americn Jews insisted that I *had to be* Jewish because my mother's ancestors had been (Mom didn't consider herself Jewish, but the Nazis did - and for that exact reason). At the time, not knowing the history, I didn't know the difference between Hebrews and Jews. Now, I am beginning to think that the people whose CULTURE and ETHNIC IDENTITY are Jewish but who are really atheists, like most of the Jews I know whether I'm related to them or not, should call themselves Hebrew. I acknowledge being half Hebrew but I do not consider myself Jewish at all, although I do have Jewish relatives, most of whom are on my Mom's side of the family. On the other hand, -that's the same half that I consider Hungarian, though Mom calls herself Yugoslav (or Serbian, if pressed, but she just grew up there. Just like the Southerner asked if someone who'd lived down South for more than 50 years was still a Yankee: If your cat crawled into the oven and had kittens, would you call them muffins?)... a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

And when I was growing up in Africa the locals still circumcised their boys at puberty, doubt it's changed since, there was no pressure away from it. Girls weren't mutilated where I was, even by the Moslems that I knew, and certainly not by the animists. BUT note that the areas where men are most likely to catch AIDS from heterosexual sex are the areas where men are not circumsised. Normally a little hygiene issue wouldn't matter, but today... It really matters.

When in Europe we not only saw several relics labelled Jesus' foreskin, we also saw one saint's three thumbs, and St. John the Baptist's boyhood skull, I kid you not. There were others but those are the ones I remember.

I am surprised there is not more question as to whether there was a real prophet then - the evidence for Moses and Mohammed has always seemed compelling, but the Christians were so illiterate by comparison that I've always wondered about that one. Maybe some folks decided they needed a Messiah, so they said one had already come? Or is there really good evidence that I'm discarding?

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Andy
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 05:13 PM

What I want to know is who did the child support agency sting for maintenance, or did that twat up there see his way to bung marry a couple of quid every now and again

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 03:03 PM

Jeez! I think I'll stay in this country! At least most of the parasites are two-legged and if you're alert, you can see them coming!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Diver
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 11:14 PM

Cluin,
When in southern and especially equatorial waters total body coverage from the sun is a good practice from burn. When anchored total sun coverage is also the safe way to go especially if the wind ceases and the air born critters locate you. Although long before sun blocker's we did sail and swim sans clothes but the painful memories outweigh the pleasure and excitement of yesteryears total abandon. Coverage from the sun and water slime are the order of today.
I have heard of these critters you mention but experienced none first hand. There are many other nightmare possibilities thru out CA & SA. Bot flies come to mind first. You can't know just when you will swallow one. In the states as they mature they crawl up toward the trachea and upon sensing light bore their way out at the throat but in the intense southern light they bore straight out thru the stomach or intestine. When they appear you tie their head to a stick and wind up an inch or so of their length each day until the entire worm is removed. Very messy and smelly as some reach three feet in length taking weeks or months to extract. If the wound is not covered during this time there is great risk of attracting additional family members.
Deep in the jungle and in remote coves I've seen many large animals afflicted with parasites. On one trip along costal Columbia I anchored several weeks trying to tame by hand feeding a large cat in order to try aid her. Was very sad to finally fail and leave her behind tame but unaided. A very profound experience for both her and I.
Be it in the outback of SA or Africa checking oneself often for parasites is the rule. Some nights after river crossings just removing suckers takes till dawn. Their marks last for years.
Most parasites rarely kill their host is the only rationalization on the bright side. Diver

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Mark Cohen
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 06:46 PM

You're right, Wolfgang. Somehow I can't see getting excited about a book called "The Dra of War." Although "The Ha of Pooh" might have an audience...

Aloha,
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 05:19 PM

Cluin (re Amazon catfish):

OUCH! The very thought hurts!

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 12:56 PM

My deepest apologies to Piranha everywhere! I didn't realize.

(It's so difficult to be politically correct these days. . . .)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 12:55 PM

Couple of words ending on -um have the plural -a. Visum-Visa for instance.

But be careful, it doesn't always work. So it would be wrong with chewing-gum.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Frankham
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 12:32 PM

I think that Al Franken would say that he looked like
Marvin Hamlisch.

There are those who say he might have resembled Charles Manson.
Or was it the other way around?

I think he probably was dark haired, swarthy and a follower
of early Hinduism. His missing years as Essa might make an
interesting film where he studied yogic practices.

I don't think he looked like Max Von Sydow or some Swedish
archetype with blonde hair and blue eyes.

The next major film to be discussed at length will be
"The Da Vinci Code". Ron Howard is set to direct it.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 12:28 PM

Yes. Fora is the plural of forum. The reason I know is because I've been corrected on it a time or two ;-)

Check it out:

Websters

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 12:22 PM

Is fora really the plural of forum? Or did you just make that up, Carol? ;)

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 11:16 AM

Martin Gibson,

You had an Uncle Seymour??

Amazing.

Small world.

Me too. We called him Bud. (Maybe we are related !!??!?)

Art

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 02:34 AM

Oh yeah, almost forgot. For me, the music fora I belong to are a way for me to meet, in person, other people with whom I have some musical interests in common. So far, because of my involvement in these fora, I have travelled to, and visited with people in New York City, Chicago, Tupelo MS, Windsor, Toronto, and Orillia Ontario (including a six week visit with Mudcatters in Orillia), Michigan, Georgia, and Florida.

I have met, in person (at music events inspired by internet fora, where we played music together - we jammed together) people from England, Scotland, Canada, Ireland, and all over the US. I expect to travel to many more places and meet many more people with whom I will share the experience of making music, by virtue of our considering each other 'real' while we make contact here in cyberspace.

I've met and played music with a lot of amazing musicians, amatures as well as professionals, whom I would never have met or played music with otherwise. So I'll continue to allow the internet to expand my world and my experience of the world. There isn't a continent in the world that doesn't have people in it who would welcome me into their homes should I find myself in their neighborhood, simply by virtue of 'knowing' them here in the Mudcat, with the possible exception of Antarctica.

Prior to getting involved with internet music fora, I had opportunities to meet, play music with, and do sound engineering work for and with some well known and very good musicians. But I have to say that those experiences were rather flat and lacked the richness that I experience playing music with people I've gotten to know on-line prior to getting together to play music.

Maybe you like your world the size it is. I'll keep expanding mine.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 01:55 AM

Helps me define what is real and what is not.

Suit yourself Martin. You can't get much more real than being married to someone though, I guess. And I met my husband right here in the Mudcat. We had several Mudcatters at our wedding (and some people from another music forum), and I've spent some wonderful time playing music with many dozens of people whom I have met on-line, and I don't think you can get much more 'real' than playing music with someone either. So I guess how 'real' your experience of the internet is, is also a matter of what you choose to take away from it.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 12:24 AM

Damn! Another myth concerning Weapons of Mass Destruction deflated.

But Diver, what about that little spiny Amazonian catfish that swims up your peehole?

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Diver
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 12:09 AM

Don Firth, just want to say I take slight issue of presenting the Piranha, yet another wonder of nature in a negative tone, example understood. This beautiful little fish of the Amazon basin is no more, no less than any other fish beyond the look of its very capable set of teeth. I have swam often amongst them beginning when I was eleven years old. They avoid contact as do most other fish. They have accidently on occasion swarmed in excited flight brushed against me and cut me. They swim in mass with their mouths open so some danger does exist but then so do Bluefish whom have ravaged me more often and worse than Piranha.
The bad rap the Piranha have as a terror began when a group of out of town visitors along with Teddy Roosevelt during the Panama Canel construction project exclaimed how very capable they appeared. The locals knew better but were instructed to dam up a portion of the river and trap as many as possible. Fish are seldom hungry, rarely starved and spend most of their time eating. These trapped Piranha were starved until they began to eat each other after which a cow was slashed with machetes and driven into the fish trap. The starved Piranha consumed the cow in record time thereby beginning the legend of the devil fish. One can see this sort of Piranha like action often on any given day be it on Mudcat or during lunch at any fast food emporium. Thought you would like to know how the bad rap rumor started. Diver

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,ReadMore
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 11:30 PM

First my disclaimer I must state is that I have some academically accepted knowledge of the subject which has not been mentioned above. Aside, I have little interest in this thread subject short of viewing the low brow attempt at curious humor. Beyond that, as no one has yet volunteered the vision version accepted among today anthropologists, historians, linguists, fine artists, come what may, that when the hoax of Jesus was being perpetrated some 2000 years ago, if we can even believe this date, to under scribe the importance of this purely fictitious Jesus character, artists of the period were understandably commissioned to use likeness of the most powerful man in the world at the time Alexander The Great. He ruled most of the known world and as a supreme warrior of note had killed his first man in battle at the age of twelve, the still accepted age of a generation in many parts of the world yet today. When Alexander was born of his mother the Queen his "father" the" King" had been away in battle for four years. Animal husbandry was little known in those times therefore all men were born of their mothers and fathered by "gods". The concept of gods doing the fathering had been previously widespread all the way back to the ages of the Vedas and their Gilgamish the first recorded "god". Many of the ideas of these early Veda peoples were incorporated, read plagiarized into the religious writings that we know today somewhat akin to the wisdom of the American Indian translated into the USA Constitution. The attempt of early artist painters to portray subjects as above the norm began the tide of painting rings of some sort hovering above the subjects head. Today these rings are generally accepted as a sign of another hoax, divinity, but by original intent meant someone educated, simply that one could read and write. As late as WWII I was able to support myself selling fountain pen tops to those who wished to pretend a suggestion of education by clipping these tops to pocket or robe. The actual pen they did not need in my hoax as these purchasers could not read or write at all. Today in modern society the practice of pretend continues of sort in the curious macho tradition of middle aged men purchasing a red Porsche. So in short I'm saying today the ongoing renditions of Jesus are just continuing copies of renderings of Alexander for lack of another subject of status. As I think an interesting side note you may research yourself takes place as Alexander conquers Greece and is introduced one cool but sunny day to the blind philosopher who carried a lamp while continuing his quest of "searching for and honest man". The dialogue between these two huge egos is precious. There will be no test, you are now on your own. :) RM

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 06:27 PM

Here's a little conundrum for you, Marty:   who's yanking who's chain here? After my original assessment, you've reacted exactly as I figured you would to everything I've said. It's sort of like playing with a lab rat. Childish, and a waste of time really, but sort of fascinating as an experiment in observing aggressive behavior.

You're a bully, Marty. But you do your bullying in cyberspace, because you don't have the guts to do it face to face. Yes, I know you pretty well.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 06:04 PM

Don, again you are boring and a self serving lecturer who likes the sound of his own voice.

You don't know me. You don't know how I would act in any situation other then yanking your chain here, which keeps getting more and more fun.

You are so wrapped up in what I say and do here that it just eats you up and you now have to respond to me on-going with your on-going insults. I guess others here respect you and I don't know why nor do I really care.

Got to leave now. wish I could write more. Got a big Friday night jam I play at with real friends, real guitars, real friendship, while you sit here and bang your head against the wall.

Poof, Martin Gibson is gone when I shut off my computer. Shut yours off for a change, Don and get out in the real world. You forgot what it's like. You are way to involved with lecturing people you do not know or have never met with fake names on a web site.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 04:21 PM

And who would know more about smegma than a putz?

Everything is real, Marty, including what you find in cyberspace. You're whoever you are in "real life," and even when you adopt the sobriquet, "Martin Gibson," you are still the same person, whether you regard the persona as real or not. You can't get away from you, no matter how much you may want to. You're not two people, you are just one. The people you interact with in cyberspace are also real, and the information exchanged is real.

And for those who are open to it, the friendships can be real, even though the people may never meet face to face. And on those occasions when we do meet face to face, it's a nice feeling to know that, by that time, you already know each other pretty well. I've had the experience several times of meeting Mudcatters in person for the first time and launching into a conversation with them right off, just like people who have been friends for a long time—which is actually true. It's a different world now from what it was a few years back, Marty. Not everybody is insular and parochial anymore.

And the information available on the internet is just as valid as any you'll find on any medium—or just as suspect. That's why you have that wad of glop inside your skull. It's called a brain. You use it to evaluate the information for yourself.

But when you assume that the people you encounter in cyberspace aren't real, therefore this gives you license to act like something that has just recently congealed from pond scum and emerged from the swamp, you show the true nature of your soul. If you sit there at your computer, across the country from some of the people you are interacting with, and feel that since you don't have to face the consequences of what you say (such as someone grabbing you by the scruff of the neck and the seat of the pants and bum's rushing you out the door) you can spout invective, insult people, and generally behave with all the social grace of a piranha, you may not realize it, but this reveals a your true nature. Sometimes these encounters in cyberspace reveal more about the actual character of a person than face-to-face encounters "in real life."

I know you, Marty. I know a great deal about you. In fact, I think I know you better than you know yourself. And so does everyone who comes together in this particular nexus of cyberspace. You've already revealed a great deal about yourself, and there's no taking it back now.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Com Seangan
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 02:43 PM

I don't know but Paddy Mac was telling me He looked like Gerry Adams without the glasses

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 02:26 PM

Maybe so.

But I find it way more interesting to keep my real life and cyber life separate. Helps me define what is real and what is not.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 01:16 PM

Well, you can't if you never meet any of us in person, Martin. But I've met dozens of Mudcatters, and I have found them to be a pretty wonderful bunch of people on the whole.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 12:35 PM

Carol C.

You are 50% or so right. finally!

I have often stated that I am only Martin Gibson on this forum. When I leave this site, he does not exist.

I can stretch my views, diminish them, or be right on the money on a dime. Maybe I'm really an actor practicing a role. The Internet is cyber. One can believe everything they see on it or not. Credibility is subjective.

In other words, what you take away from it, on anything, can be the biggest truth, or the biggest lie. How can you really be sure all of the time?

Oh yea, I would never click on a Jesus link anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 11:55 AM

Maybe, Wolfgang. But it's also possible that the person who is posting as Sherlock Einstien actually thought that one up him/herself.

I've wondered the same thing about Martin Gibson a time or two. But I'm not losing any sleep over it. My take on Mr. Gibson is that he is doing what a lot of people do when they get on the internet. He's forgetting that there are realy people behind the screen names. My guess is he wouldn't behave amongst the people of his congregation they way he's behaving here. Maybe if he ever has an opportunity to meet some of us in person, he'll soften up his manner here. That has happened to several other people who have started out the way he has here.

Now I'll leave the religious squabbling to the religious folks here, and go back to being the freaky spiritual eccentric that I am.

BTW, don't click on that Jesus link. It'll take over your computer and you'll have to spend fifteen minutes trying to wrestle control of your computer back as I just did.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 10:35 AM

First of all:

Venus, you never heard of smegma until I used it in a post.
You are not very original. I didn't waste my time on your link. It is Venus that rhymes with penis, by the way.

Pilate:

As I have said before, Jesus Christ was a man. Probably a good man. His mother was impregnated by a man's dick like every other women is. There was no artificial insemination at that time. He is not the son of god and he most certainly is not mine or the saviour of the Jews. His word is administered by a group that a study released showed sexually abused thousands of kids. The priesthood for centuries has been asecret fraternity for homosexual perverts. The New Testament we find totally irrelevant. We did not need a new testament. The bible and the torah are most certainly good enough.

As far as being a kid, yep, I have not lost the child in me like silly old men who think they know so much because they are old have. I pity, no I laugh at those people who post on web forums or call talk radio shows or send letters to the editor who resort to saying things like, "I'm 72 years old!" as justification for their rant. There's no fool like an old fool.

You just don't get it. I am smiling as I write this stuff. Not because I am grumpy as some say, but because I find many of you (certainly not all) so hypocritically laughable. When you hear something you don't want to hear or it's against your narrow, very uncommon sense angle, it's rude. If it's anything to the right of left, it's rude. When you have no arguement left, you put your nose up in the air and cry "rude!" The ones who post under their regular names and then insult as guests are so easily pegged by me. Laughable.

Totally hilarious.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Venus
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 07:59 AM

With all due respect Pilate, plumbing may be your expertise but taming incorrigible males is mine. What Martin needs is to special order one of these marvellous innovations, from The Good Man Corporation

He must order it to fit around his big head, not just his little one though. Use it just once, and presto ... no more foul disgusting mental smegma clogging up his neurons. He'll be a whole new Martin!

(And Martin, here's a little more incentive for you. Clean up all your foul-smelling smegma - from both your heads - and it'll be just LOVELY to get to know you more intimately!)

XXOO

Venus

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Pilate
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 07:10 AM

Martin Gibson I see you are still not quite right. Did you try the silver bowl and water? How many times have you affirmed that Jesus is not constipated. He is consecrated today? Don't lose faith now. Keep at it, be patient. (It took me a millenium, but I had more than just one or two bones to pick with Jesus. I had the whole kit and kaboodle. It wasn't a pretty sight.

The silver toilet does work better than the bowl though, especially if you dip both your hands AND your head in it. Just flush while thinking your nastiest most hateful unsociable thoughts. See them swirl away forever! Repeat as necessary.

It's Drano for the soul ... and you know you can always trust a Roman with your plumbing!

PP

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: dianavan
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 03:20 AM

If he's not a kid, why is he such a rude, self-centered brat.

d

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 02:30 AM

Nope. Didn't have to look it up. That's how I spotted it in the first place. And if your not a kid, how come you act like one?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 01:47 AM

MG you were wrong, you were wrong again and you are still wrong to be so ruddy grumpy - go hug a tree, eat a custard pie, cheer up for once and thank G_d you are here to enjoy life!

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 10:55 PM

Thanks Don Ferth.

Not everyone looks like a Jew. There are people who converted, people from mixed marriages, people like you who think they know everything. Don't get me started with you again. Personally, I don't care how old you are. I'm no kid either.

Of course it's spelled judaism. I mistyped it. You had to look it up.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 06:08 PM

"Jews have definitive features that help me recognize others of my faith. I have often found this interesting as Judiasm* [sic] is not a race, per se, but there are traits I will not deny that Jews do have."

Really? I wonder how you'd do with a friend of mine. Her name is Terry Honda (a distant relative of the automobile manufacturer, I believe). A stock comment (and possibly a standing joke) that Terry has grown awfully tired of hearing is when she tells people that she is a Jew and they respond with, "That's funny, you don't look like a Jew."

Don Firth

*By the way, it's spelled "Judaism."

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 04:03 PM

wolfgang

You are as off base as can be on this about what Carol C. thinks.

She's a sprintzer.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 04:50 AM

I think you're really an antisemite, masquerading as a Jew, and abusing people regularly thru mudcat in order to try and get them to hate jews. (Einstein)

That argumentation sounded faintly familiar to me. There it was:

I can't help but think that you...are in reality, virulent anti-Semites who are posting this kind of trolling as a way of making Jews look bad. (Carol)

Your argumentation seems to be convincing to some, Carol.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: dianavan
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 05:41 PM

Cluin - I agree. Maybe personal image became big with the invention of photographs. Bigger with t.v. and so on. Think about the music industry. People used to say, "Have you heard that new group..." Now they say, "Have you seen that new group..." Videos completely changed the music industry.

We used to have great orators, now they can stumble and lie as long as they look good.

Same with teaching. Visuals are everything. Try holding the attention of eight year olds without something to do or see. THEY AREN'T LISTENING. How hard do you have to listen to a computer?

d

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Cluin
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 03:54 PM

Strick, I stand by my statement above. I wasn't talking about personal grooming or trying to look attractive. I was talking about the our current "cult of personality" obsession based on nothing more than personal appearance. We have stupid terms today like "Supermodel". Christ, we have models, period, who make more money than most people who provide a real service to general society.

One of the most influential figures (for good or ill) in history was Atilla the Hun. We have no clue what he looked like. I maintain they didn't really care back then. Nowadays his picture would be needed for the cover of TIME for people to pay attention to anything said or written about him.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 02:57 PM

dianavan

Typical pagan reaction on your part. Almost like Bush shunning gays. You are no different. Give up. Why don't you rattle your rosary beads at me?

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: dianavan
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 01:06 PM

You can't talk to a man with a gun in his hand.

Ignore Marty the Smarty. Lets do what the Jehovahs do. Lets see if it works. Shun him.

d

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 12:18 PM

Sherlock Einstein

Oh I'm Jewish, alright. Would you like me to recite my bar mitsvah haftarah to you? You will just have to deal with it.

How about this Sherlock: Kish mein der tuchas.

I don't have to try to get people to hate Jews like myself. So many gentiles already do. I can tolerate other people who are not so full of bullshit that they now have to hide behind a new made up name because that they don't usually post under. You're not sherlock einstein. You fool know one. I'm glad that you have met so many wonderful Jews. so have I. Most all 250 families in my congregation are great people.

We just don't believe that Jesus Christ was anything more than a good man. His mother was impregnated like any other woman. He was not our saviour. He was not our messiah. We have done just fine without the New Testament. Our "old" testament is called the Bible. We shake our head in disgust at how the secret society of priests has abused children over the centuries and hid a boner under their robes.





Dave Ostereich, maybe you do have some Jewish in you.

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 11:58 AM

I said, earlier, What does "a Jew" look like?"

And Martin Gibson said, in part:

Jews have definitive features that help me recognize others of my faith. I have often found this interesting as Judiasm is not a race, per se, but there are traits I will not deny that Jews do have.

My family is German on both sides, going back as far as what records or recollections show, and there is not (to my knowledge) any Jewish contribution to the family heritage.

Yet, over the years, a number of Jews I have known have asked if I was Jewish (in fact in some cases on the verge of insisting). I don't know what features I have that have suggested this to them. Nor do I really care. People could say a lot worse about me than that. And have, I suppose.

And over the years I've known a number of Jews who (to my perhaps naive cultural perception) looked like north Europeans, Germanic types who might have passed as "Aryans" in Hitler's lexicon.

I repeat: What does "a Jew" look like?

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: freda underhill
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 10:19 AM

...aaah .."Ooh... I'm being ha-RASSed!".

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: freda underhill
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 10:11 AM

huh?

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 10:09 AM

Back to the question ladies - Frank Spencer

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: InOBU
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 08:59 AM

Ah the return of the popular halfwit! Back from a sojourn to Potugal, no doupt... I have always thought that his friends did not recognise him as a lesson to look for the risen Christ in those you cannot see as Christ, Moslems, Budhists, (you have to get the proper John Thackway "H" as you say BudHISTs, proclaimed athiests... baptists...
Cheers ol' skin
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,sherlock einstein
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 08:05 AM

martin gibson

the thing about email, the net, is that it can be tempting to say things you might never say to someone face to face. and i'm tempted.

i don't believe you're jewish. the jewish people i know are courteous, thoughtful, and too self protective to go out and spew out venom. I think you're really an antisemite, masquerading as a Jew, and abusing people regularly thru mudcat in order to try and get them to hate jews.

but i've got you worked out MG. you're not Jewish. you don't fool me.
and i'm not gonna hate Jews, no matter how hard you try. how can I hate myself? i'm working hard at tolerating you mg. why don't you work hard at tolerating other people here?

shalom..

concerned catter

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Pilate
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 07:51 AM

MG, I got over Him, so can you. Here's a little something that helped me through the worst of my oh-no-its-Jesus complex. Might help you too. Here's how to use it:

First, dip your hands in a silver bowl full of clear water several times. (If you haven't a silver bowl, a silver toilet will do). Visualize all that rancid old Jesus-rancor being washed away. Know that it's gone!

Now sit comfortably in front of your computer, feet flat on the floor and legs uncrossed. Open the link I gave you, and contemplate the picture and caption deeply for several moments. Then close your eyes, open your mind and heart and gaze directly into your Third Eye. Illumination and true healing are sure to follow!

(Don't forget to breathe ... in for a count of four, out for a count of four, in for a count of four, out for a count of four, in for a ....)

If this doesn't work for you, try repeating the following over and over until it begins to sink in ...

Jesus was not constipated. He was consecrated.

And if THAT doesn't work, well .... I wash my hands of you too!

Subject: RE: BS: What did Jesus really look like?
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 10:53 PM

Great questions Popular Halfwit. You can grab a time machine and find out. While you do, find out how he looked when he was constipated.