Getaway 2004

Subject: Getaway 2004
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 07:55 PM

Is it too soon? My company has a mandatory sales meeting in late October - I have declined if it interferes with the Getaway. Plus I have been talking about a possible workshop and the British contingent needs dates.

SOOOO....dates? October what? Who's going? Who needs a ride? Who wants to share a cabin? ETC

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 08:04 PM

I want to go again. Let's have the dates.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Deckman
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 08:23 PM

Hi Sins ... I have really enjoyed the photos posted from the previous get-a-ways and I'd love to get myself there. But, being married to the beautiful "Bride Judy" now, I've given up dates and sharing cabins! (BAD BAD BOB!!! TAKE THAT ... YOU SUM-A- GUN!!!). Bob

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Allan C.
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 08:23 PM

I'm still job hunting at this point; but I have stipulated to my prospective employers that I expect to be elsewhere sometime in October.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:48 PM

Reserve the weekend of October 15-17 (and into Monday morning of Oct. 18, if you've got the time to take off).

See y'all in Darlington, Maryland. It will also be the 40th Getaway, and the planners are working on some events and guests to commemorate the round number anniversary.

--Charlie Baum

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 08:30 AM

Thank You Charlie. Nice to be able to get this on the calander.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 12:34 PM

Im definately coming this year!!!!.....will be able to book flights by May so let us know the definate dates soon!! My legs will be healed well by then and I will be walking without sticks!!!

Can't wait!!!

Khatt xxx

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: karen k
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 07:38 PM

Khatt,
Great! I'm glad you are coming. If we don't connect in England then at the Getaway for sure. What other Brits are coming this year? Hope you are healing.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 07:55 PM

well...looks interesting...perhaps I'll go.....*giggle* (like for the 26th consecutive year!) It IS a bit earlier this year, which can be a bonus for weather, but you never know in October..ask those who shivered a bit at night, but sat in outdoor workshops the next day.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Col K
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 08:16 PM

I want to come again, but will have to look at the bank account.
Hope it lets me.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Dani
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 08:24 PM

Sell cookies on the street corner if you have to. Come back!

I can't believe we have it to look forward to SO EARLY! Lord knows I need it...

Dani

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Teresa
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 09:23 PM

I'll be coming if a science-fiction convention I'm already committed for in WV doesn't conflict; don't have the date for that yet. Crossing fingers. :)
Teresa

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 09:37 PM

BillD - And I'm **glad** it's a week earlier, since friends of ours are planning a wedding on the following (recently-traditional) weekend.

Teresa - OK, I'm intrigued...I didn't know WV **had** any science-fiction conventions. Certainly, not any my friends in Mineral Wells have mentioned.

-- Gary

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Midchuck
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 10:01 PM

What are driving times like from upstate NY/northern New England?

I'd love to do it, but getting back in time for Monday morning is scary.....

Peter.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 10:07 PM

for comforts sake, midchuck, you'd 'probably' have to leave after lunch Sunday...people do it this way. You'll probably get details on the driving from Jeri, Kendall and others who do a similar drive

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: alanww
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 06:29 AM

Mmmmmm, well there's a thought, Charlie!! Sounds very tempting ...! Would be nice to make it a regular part of my festivals schedule. It certainly was great last year - apart from the temperature at night!
"I like to rise when the sun she rises ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: kendall
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 06:31 AM

10 to 12 hours depending on how fast you drive, and the capacity of your bladder.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 06:43 AM

More like 9, give or take an hour on either sided based on how buggered up NYC traffic is and how many times you stop. NYC can add an hour or two of gridlock. I've left on Sunday, and I don't ever want to do it again if I don't have to!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: kendall
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 08:13 AM

9? how many shortcuts did you take? Of course there are no stumps on the Interstate. LOL

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Midchuck
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 08:52 AM

According to the index in my road atlas, there's no Darlington in Maryland.

So I guess the whole thing is a fabrication.

Oh, well.

Peter.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: alanww
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 09:22 AM

No, not on the Interstate, Kendall, but there are such hazards at the Getaway!
So its best to arrive in daylight, it will then be easier to avoid parking your car on a tree stump!
"Abroad for pleasure ...!"
Alan

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Noreen
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 09:35 AM

Depends on setting off in the right direction after stopping on the way home too, I believe...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 09:37 AM

map

Camp Ramblewood
2564 Silver Road
Darlington, MD 21034

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Tinker
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 09:39 AM

Midchuck, you've got an easier faster trip than Jeri and Kendall. If you put both Pittsford and Darlington in Yahoo Maps it's only a 6 and a half hour drive. NY 87 and then over to 95 it's a pretty straight line and you'd avoid most of the big city snarls.... really there's no excuse...

Love to see you,

tinker

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Midchuck
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 11:00 AM

Midchuck, you've got an easier faster trip than Jeri and Kendall. If you put both Pittsford and Darlington in Yahoo Maps it's only a 6 and a half hour drive. NY 87 and then over to 95 it's a pretty straight line and you'd avoid most of the big city snarls.... really there's no excuse...

6 1/2 hours? Possibly. If I had a Ferrari, diplomatic immunity, and a passenger who was an expert pistol shot, carrying a couple of Desert Eagle .44 mags with armor-piercing ammo...

Looks like I'd come down the Northway and NY Thruway to 287, and loop around the major NY/NJ metropolitan area to the west, then pick up 95. It looks doable, except that so much of it is in NJ, and it's a given in Vermont that every single last New Jersey driver is crazier than a shithouse rat. And on a friday evening, they're all going to be drunk, too.

This will require thought.

Peter.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 11:41 AM

An alternate route to consider from Vermont and northern reaches is to cross I-84 to Scranton, and then come down I-81 to Harrisburg, and then I-83 (or other route) down the Susquehanna River. It's longer than the route through NJ, but far less subject to traffic jams.

If your road map doesn;t show Darlington, find Havre de Grace, MD (at the mouth of the Susquehanna where it empties into Chesapeake Bay). Now go upriver about 10 miles to the Conowingo Dam. Darlington and Camp Ramblewood are on the left shore, just a mile or so below the dam.

--Charlie

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Tinker
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 12:26 PM

and it's a given in Vermont that every single last New Jersey driver is crazier than a shithouse rat. And on a friday evening, they're all going to be drunk, too....

Thanks Pete, I take it you meant that as a complement????


tinker w
wholivesanddrivesinNewJersey...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Allan C.
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 12:27 PM

Well I might take a train. I might take a plane. But if I have to walk I'm gonna get there just the same...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Midchuck
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 12:35 PM

Tinker, we judge New Jersey drivers on the basis of the driving of the ones who come here to ski.

They all have large, new SUVs. They all appear to think that because they have SUVs they can safely drive in snow as fast as they can on dry pavement in clear weather, and that anyone who disagrees with them ought to damn well get out of the way.

Do you ski in Vermont?

Peter.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Allan C.
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 12:59 PM

Midchuck, they are everywhere there is a ski slope. I have dodged my share of them. You forgot to add that they do all of that with straight treads.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Tinker
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 01:28 PM

Nope, we don't drag the horde that far north to ski. I will have to agree on the winter driving assessment. If it's any consolation they can't drive at home on snow either. Some folks have really slow learning curves. We get snow days for ridiculously light snow fall, simply because the "roads" (read drivers) really are that bad.

But there is no snow in October.....


Kathy

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 01:29 PM

I DO recommend Charlie's route thru Pennsylvania, even if it adds an hour or so...it is a lot easier on the nerves. Midchuck...would you have Friday to drive? This is not easy to do if you are committed to work all day Friday & Monday. (At least it is not 2 hours MORE south or east, like it was a few years ago!)

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 01:48 PM

if you can't get BOTH friday and monday - I would really reccomend trying to get MONDAY off to drive. While Friday evening is fantastic and I wouldn't miss it if at all possible I think Sunday Evening and monday morning is when a lot of the true "magic" of getaway occurs.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: KathWestra
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 02:35 PM

The Pennsylvania route adds exactly 42 miles to the drive from New England. I've clocked it both ways, because I was curious. However, it adds only about a half hour more driving time--and not because I'm a crazy driver. There are NO TOLLS on the Pa. route, so you're not always standing in line waiting to pay for the privilege of driving again. Through Pa. from Newtown, Connecticut, it's just about 7 hours to my house in Silver Spring--about an hour less to the Getaway. Boston is a 9-hour drive to my house through Pennsylvania (which would make it 8 hours to Darlington). I drive fairly fast (75 in 65mph zone) and have the proverbial camel bladder that requires very few stops along the way. On 95, you have to pay (eastbound only) for whichever NY bridge you cross, for the NJ Turnpike and/or Garden State Parkway, the Delaware Memorial Bridge, the Delaware Turnpike, and the northern Maryland portion of I-95 (northbound only). It all adds up to lots of lines, lots of money, and (at least in my case) lots more stress. Pennsylvania route is over interesting, scenic roads. And did I mention no tolls? Kathy

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 07:32 PM

On a road trip from Anchorage, I would have to drive over 3500 miles, traverse three major mountain ranges, cross 2 international borders, and explain six times to several Canadian authorities that, "Even though I'm from Alaska, I do NOT have a hand gun" (then wait each time while they search my car). If I can afford the fare, I will be flying. But I will probably need transportation asistance from whichever airport I happen to find a cheap airplane ticket for. Sure will be great to see you all again.

Mike

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: kendall
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 08:35 PM

and, Mike, you would also have a number of "dry counties" to cross.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 08:36 PM

I may try to got the Pennsylvania route this year. I tried it once, going to DC, and it added a LOT of time, but there was road construction.

Note to Tinker: people in Vermont think any driver's crazier than a shithouse rat if they get the tractor up over 15 mph. The NJ drivers will probably mostly be New Yorkers anyway. And guys from Vermont, going 30 in the fast lane.

Noreen, are you coming this year? I shall be SO happy to see you!

Does anyone know if super-glue works on sleeping bags?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: GUEST,Sandy Paton
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 08:59 PM

The 87 to 287 to 95 dodge, avoiding the Garden State madness, is a pretty good one, Midchuck. I've used it, but I confess I prefer Kathy's route through Pennsylvania, especially now that the chronic construction hang-up around Scranton has been eliminated (or wasn't causing the usual problems when I last drove over that way). Being able to avoid New Jersey altogether makes it a lot easier on the temper, too. Give 'er a go!
    Sandy (the other one)

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: KT
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 10:01 PM

All right!!!    Charlie, thanks for the dates! I'm going to start working on it this weekend! I have been looking forward to this for years!!!

And everybody come!!! I want to meet you all!!!

KT

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 01:08 AM

Jeri..if you are talking about the fabric parts of sleeping bags, there IS a special fabric glue that is pretty good...you get it at craft stores & such...(little gold plastic bottle) Super Glue is brittle and scratchy when dry...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: mooman
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 04:31 AM

Mmmm...if I can find a cheap flight to Washington Dulles, Washington-Baltimore or Philadelphia, I might consider trying to make it across the pond with an airline friendly instrument. I would probably need a lift from some kind soul at your end though.

Peace

moo

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 12:09 PM

we haven't run out of kind souls yet... (and Wash-Balt is MUCH closer)

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: KT
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 04:16 PM

Bill, what's the difference in distance between Wash-Balt and Reagan International from the camp? I may need to fly into Reagan. If so, what's the best way to get to Ramblewood from there? Thanks! KT

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 06:23 PM

Reagan is right in DC (well, across the river) Wash-Balt (BWI) is 2 hrs up I-95 and 35 mins. from the camp.

To get to Ramblewood from Reagan, it's a matter of following the interstate over to I-95 and heading north! (passing BWI on the way)

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: kendall
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 08:07 PM

I will never call it Reagan...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Susan A-R
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 09:11 PM

Midchuck, you HAVE to get to this one. I also recommend taking Fri and Mon off to do so. I am beginning to think of a Manchester BWI flight down, as southwestern is pretty inexpensive and it's a darn sight quicker, although riding down with Barry was much of the fun last year. Down with Barry, back with Southwestern???

Also, was there some talk of a concert tour with Alaska Mike to make the trip worthwhile? I know that I have done some concert presenting and have had mixed results, but if you want to take a chance on a house concert (great food, a good place to stay and possibly some $$) I might be able to swing it, although I'd be at the extreme end of the tour (so what else is new)

I can't speak for Vermont drivers now, but I do wonder at the folks who do the Montpelier-Burlington commute at 70 mph in ice and snow, and wear high heels or dress shoes and look so darned startled when they can't even get out of their stuck SUVs on the interstate because of the ice. Must be flatlanders.


I won't miss it.

See you in October, and will come into it less crazed with a few more songs in my head. I'll also bring a flannel lined sleeping bag and won't refuse those ear plugs.

Susan.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Nancy King
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 11:27 AM

I'm with you, Kendall!

Looking forward to seeing all of you next October! Sandy, any chance you and Caroline can make it this year?

Nancy

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Noreen
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 03:25 PM

Why is a shithouse rat particularly crazy? Don't think we have them in England, least I've never seen one.

Jeri my dear, I will only be able to get to the Getaway this year if I win the lottery. And since I can't afford lottery tickets at the moment, I will have to enjoy it vicariously. I will relive it all with your help. What will you do for your party piece this year? Another treestumpstunt might be a bit obvious- leave it a few years.

I would really love to get there again some day before I get old
...plenty of scope there then :0)

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 11:19 AM

Linda (Essex Girl) and I keep thinking about a trip across the atlantic during one autumn, and Micca was trying to persuade us that we ought to go to Getaway. The main problem is the fact that Linda has a 15 year old son (no he most definitely wouldn't want to come to anything folkie). Unfortunately the date doesn't look as though it would fit in with his falf-term holiday at the moment, but we might be able to sort something out.

Can someone give us any idea of how Getaway's organised and what it costs. We both enjoy impromptu song/music sessions and at most UK festivals are much more likely to be found in the "fringe" pub events (often running them ourselves) rather than the big concerts.

How easy is it to get there from the UK ? - Micca reckons that it's easiest to fly to Washington and travel from there.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2004
From: Midchuck
Date: 08 Mar 04 - 11:38 AM

Why is a shithouse rat particularly crazy? Don't think we have them in England, least I've never seen one.

It's a line I got many years ago from an old friend who was a native Vermonter, which only a few of us are, and had lines like that he kept coming up with, and I kept stealing. I suppose the underlying theory is that even a rat has a number of options as to where to live, and must be crazy if he chooses a shithouse.

Did you hear about the folk guitar player who couldn't make enough money to find a place to live and was afraid he'd freeze during the winter? He finally found an old outhouse he could rent, and he could at least sleep there if he sort of curled up. But as work got harder to find, he couldn't even make the rent on that. But he survived the winter by subletting the basement to a banjo player...but I digress.

Peter.