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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Amos Date: 20 Apr 04 - 09:43 PM Bill: The key to what LH is saying, I think, is that our notion of spacetime and therefore motion is that space is always contiguous and unlimited (or circular) -- wherever you go in it and look out, there is more! And, you have to go through each part of it to get to the next. This is partly because that is the way space looks to a meat body and always has, we suppose. If you could address space randomly by some definition of where you chose to be, rather than serially (having to go through B, C, and D to get to E) then FTL would no longer be a problem -- kind of like worm-holes at will or somp'n, I guess. There's a technology we cvould really use!! Give it a nine-digit location and it drills a wormhole to it from where it is. Wow! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Apr 04 - 09:30 PM God, that is one FETCHING alpaca all right!!! Woof! If Malcolm Buggeroll gets a look at this one there is going to be hell to pay... - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Peace Date: 20 Apr 04 - 09:02 PM Bill D, Little Hawk and Donuel, My heart was all I had, and now it's gone, I should have left the bloody blinkers on. WOW! Bill, does she have a friend? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Chief Chaos Date: 20 Apr 04 - 08:54 PM I didn't mean to detract from the findings. The only thing that I could find that made me pause was that the rodent found to be responsible doesn't reside throughout the range of mutilation sites. I have seen a lot of animal carcases that have been fed upon by scavengers. I've never seen anyone that I would describe to have been made with surgical precision and there was almost always blood on the ground. Both of these are necessary to the reports that originated this phenomenon. On Blackholes...I did some research, well, a little research anyway, and it seems the current theory is that a black hole is created when a star has burned off it's nuclear fuel and the expansion forces caused by the reactions is no longer able to compete with the terrific gravitational forces and therefore the star collapses in upon itself, the remnaining mass being compacted to the point where it's relative size is negligible (almost not matter). It also is a given that the event horizon of a black hole expands with each bit of matter which enters it. The only question I have is: Will there not come a time when the compaction forces of the gravity at the center of the blackhole growing larger with each bit of mass sucked into the event horizon, cause a complete failure of the forces holding the remaining "debris" together which would then cause a catastrophic explosion thus recreating to a certain degree the star which gave birht to the black hole in the first place? Sort of an Astral Phoenix? My head hurts again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Chief Chaos Date: 20 Apr 04 - 08:40 PM I think the worst assumption to make is that something doesn't or can't exist based on what we presently know, think, or are capable of doing. There was a point in our history wherein they thought that breaking the sound barrier was impossible. They reached what they called the "wall" and couldn't get past it. with some redesign of wings, body and tail and a good rocket, not only was it possible but it was smooth sailing from then on and through 2 to 6 times the speed of sound. The sound barrier on land was just broken a few years ago. One day perhaps we will find throught the manipulation of energies that we can circumvent the critical mass theory and break the speed of light. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Bill D Date: 20 Apr 04 - 07:34 PM no goats for me...not since I discovered alpacas! Little Hawk..that statement is durn close to something I can live with! It says very little that would seem to 'expect' others to make the same assumptions. It states the basics about your experience, and acknowleges that other explanations are indeed possible. In fact, the most difficulty I have with it is understanding what "...a system that isn't defined in terms of speed, but rather in terms of present location" might mean as a practical matter. If you are able to wrap your head around that concept, great! I can't seem to grasp it, and that can either be MY problem, or a linguistic thing used to state something with no direct referent. (I simply do not know which) It would be fun to sit around RT someday and explore this without the time delays and 'flatness' of all text. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Peace Date: 20 Apr 04 - 07:04 PM But, Donuel, NONE of them look like Little Hawk's goat. What we have here is a failure to communicate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Donuel Date: 20 Apr 04 - 06:03 PM Brucie if all you need is a date have you tried the hard up girl's club? http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/3collage2.gif |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Peace Date: 20 Apr 04 - 06:01 PM Whew. That's a relief, LH. Thought Bill had his hands on her. But that Dylan in drag thing WOULD explain the Victoria's Secret thing. Love it when a plan comes together. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Peace Date: 20 Apr 04 - 05:59 PM Hey, full circle. That would explain the VS ad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Apr 04 - 05:59 PM Dang! I mean "Bruce", not Bill. See how upset I am about it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Apr 04 - 05:51 PM That is cruel and heartless of you, Bill, to abandon Susie the Goat just when she is in great peril! (see weiner dog and baptists thread) Donuel - that is a strange looking quartet. Is the one on the extreme right when looking at the picture possibly the young Bob Dylan in drag, circa 1965-66? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Peace Date: 20 Apr 04 - 05:44 PM Hey, Little Hawk, forget the goat. Dounel, you are my new best hope. Did you get phone numbers? I gotta know. Soonest. |
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Subject: one night at the lil Ale Inn From: Donuel Date: 20 Apr 04 - 05:41 PM http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/alongface.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Apr 04 - 05:26 PM Here's what I assume, Bill. I assume there are probably a great many "alien" civilizations out there in the Universe. I assume that a saw a craft from one of those...in all probability. I assume that they have found a faster-than-light method of travel...or a method using a system that isn't defined in terms of speed, but rather in terms of present location. That would be a travel system completely unknown to our present civilization. I assume our governments know about these visitations. I assume they are choosing not to admit to their knowledge of that or publicize it. I assume they are covering up some of the evidence. I assume that the great number of other people who have seen what they deemed to be such alien craft, and those to whom I have spoken about it, are neither crazy nor stupid. Here's what I KNOW. I saw that vehicle, it was a vehicle, and it exhibited abilities of manuever that were most unusual, to say the least. We all do the best we can with the information we have at hand. My assumptions are based on my "best guess", not on total certainty about the matter. That is why they are assumptions, not knowledge. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: GUEST,MMario Date: 20 Apr 04 - 03:15 PM What do you expect of a guy who shares his single functioning brain cell with 17 other people via sub-space hyper-ganglionic connections? |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Amos Date: 20 Apr 04 - 03:06 PM MM: You remind me of a joke in which a redneck learns a little logic, and then goes back and tells his bubba buddy that since his friend owns no weed-whacker, he must be queer, right? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: GUEST,MMario Date: 20 Apr 04 - 02:39 PM AHA! obviously the rats are alien rodents - Which is obvious once you realize there are NO rat-headed gods in the Egyptian pantheon because they were CONCEALING THEIR EXISTANCE!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Escamillo Date: 20 Apr 04 - 02:23 PM This is a link to a 1980 report on the investigation of cattle mutilation in New Mexico USA and other places, with the same conclusion as the University of Buenos Aires and others from Argentina. I couldn't read the entire report, but it seems that they have not provoked the phenomena under control and "at will", like the gaucho University did, but the close examination of the bodies brought them to the same conclusion. It is hard to find two or three official reports among the ocean of UFOlogist's opinions who have never seen a mutilated animal. It seems that the further away they are from the place of the facts, the more entitled they are to form an opinion and publish. :) Operation Animal Mutilation Report Un abrazo, Andrés |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Bill D Date: 20 Apr 04 - 02:04 PM Mario...Once you **understand** how logic works, it is simply one of the things that is understood. It becomes like "if no A, then no B...no A, therefore no B". It is not intended to prove that there IS no B, but only that B requires A. Likewise, logic will not tell you whether or not there are UFOs or whether or not FTL travel is possible, but only that IF you choose a starting assumption that is not in fact true, then ANYTHING you deduce from that MAY not be true, and is not a justifiable conclusion. (Note...you 'may' hold a position that is, in fact, true, but for entirely other reasons than what you claim. If I claim that it does not rain much in Arizona because the Navajos aren't doing the chants correctly, you would find it easy to see the flaw in my argument...which does not alter the fact that it doesn't rain much in Arizona. But you can TEST the Arizona rainfall amounts... The problem lies in making claims which are not easily verifiable, which you defend by premises which are also not easily verifiable. "The 'flying saucers' we see come from an alien civilization". This makes several assumptions. 1)That we do, if fact, see solid, real UFOs, 2)That there are, in fact, alien civilizations, 3) That it is possible to travel FROM other worlds to here. Maybe even a couple of others. Further..*grin*..(you KNEW there'd be a 'further', hmmm?) if a statement like "The 'flying saucers' we see come from an alien civilization" is used AS a premise to explain something else, it has a related logical fallacy in it: assuming the consequent, which means you are assuming there IS at least one alien civilization to justify flying saucers coming from it. Now, all this logic stuff is tedious and mind-numbing until you get used to doing it without memorizing all the details and rules (sort of like you calculate how many portions of food in a pot for the # of guests you expect, without stopping to call up the rules of arithmetic and fractions.) But after you accept that certain rules of logic just 'are', you actually can make decisions better... and see why someone else's claims, that you just 'know' are wrong, are really not well proven. Once again....NONE of this 'proves' that there are no aliens, out-of-body experiences, Gods, psychic phenomena, higher planes of existence, or elves under Ireland...but it |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Amos Date: 20 Apr 04 - 01:44 PM MM: See the posts regarding Argentinian investigations on cattle mutilations from Andres (Escamillo), upthread. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: GUEST,MMario Date: 20 Apr 04 - 01:33 PM Chief - you lost me - What findings of the South American scientific community and how are those findings relavent to mutilation of cattle? (And the Big theory I heard about that is that it was vindictive sheepherders) |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Apr 04 - 01:27 PM Bruce: Bah-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a!!! Mmmm..a-a-a-a-a-a! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Chief Chaos Date: 20 Apr 04 - 01:23 PM Okay I'm back. A little quick search under bovine mutilation turned up many hits with at least four theories being followed. The info given seems to be mostly about incidents occuring in North America. 1. UFO's (go figure!) 2. Mutilation by unknown Gov't agency testing tissues for radiation poisoning from weapons tests. 3. Mutilation for the purpose of taking samples to determine if infectious diseases are among the herds (so as not to alarm the general public about contamination) 4. Mutilation by cultists for religeous rituals Seems they haven't herd (couldn't resist!) about the findings of the South American scientific community. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Apr 04 - 01:22 PM There ARE people who subscribe to that premise, Amos! Here are some other false premises which can distort one's powers of observation: All men are beasts! All women either whores or virgins! You can't trust anybody! Life is hard, then you die. Nothing works out! (a former girlfriend of mine subscribed to that one...and nothing did, for her...or she didn't notice if it did) Making money is all that really matters. Winning is all that really matters. Not getting caught is all that really matters. Looking good is all that matters. Pleasing other people is what really matters. "All women are naturally attracted to ME, because I have a big penis, and that basically makes me pretty irresistible to 'em, know'm'sayin'???" LOL!!! All of the above are horribly false premises, and just look at the various idiotic and destructive behaviours they lead to. Yet they are surprisingly common beliefs in modern society. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Chief Chaos Date: 20 Apr 04 - 12:59 PM And just think of all the sex you missed out on. Please go ahead and adopt that one and then give them my phone number. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Amos Date: 20 Apr 04 - 12:28 PM MM: Observation of the way data works -- which you will have to observe for yourself -- supports the proposition that human minds rapidly trace and predict based on present data and make decisions about their extrapolated futures. One false premise, therefore, can lead to a complex array of decisions. Just for example, suppose for amoment you were to adopt the belief that "women were inherently untrustworthy and treacherous". IMagine how much more careful you would have to be in all your dealings, and how many complicated rules you might adoptas a result of that premise. ALthough I do not have time to re-research it right now, I am sure several wars have been begun on the strength of false data being presented as accurate. How much complexity is that? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: GUEST,MMario Date: 20 Apr 04 - 12:12 PM but what proof do we have that "from false premises, anything follows." is true? this is SO complicated! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Bill D Date: 20 Apr 04 - 12:05 PM well...I think it is important, Amos..but like other 'important' points, it is easy to ignore and flatly refuse to consider. You make the point in your follow-up. "...entities called upon to exist to compensate for the premises" |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Amos Date: 20 Apr 04 - 11:47 AM One neglected, but important rule of logic is "from false premises, anything follows." This may be the most important single post ever made on the Cat. The infinite number of possible ramifications of falsification is mind-boggling and makes it very clear where the seeker of truth has to pay attention: on the premises. Almost any religion you care to name has a few or many false assumptions in it, and as a result they become overblown with bizarre complexities and entities called upon to exist to compensate for the premises, and so on. Many medieval scientific theories are similarly complicated (the subject of alchemy comes to mind) and riddled with complexities that can be rapidly reduced to clarity not by addressing them in themselves (which just multiplies the issues) but by finding the false premises. The weighty importance and value in use of this rule is downright stunning. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Bill D Date: 20 Apr 04 - 11:35 AM but Captain Cook and Lord Nelson could have understood the CONCEPT of an airliner if someone who knew the principles were there: "See, it's like a big bird with a flaming asshole, made out of a funny metal like iron, only lighter."....etc. And we could have made wooden & paper models to demonstrate gliding...etc.. There nothing much about a plane that required concepts alien to the the mind. Faster than light travel is another deal altogether. Sc-Fi writers and theoretical physicists play with concepts that they think might have meaning, but no one is sure yet if is more than clever linguistic creativity. Accelerating a solid body past the speed at which it attains infinite mass, ot bypassing that situation altogether does not necessarily work, just because we can say the words. It IS a fascinating idea, and I HOPE it is someday possible, but it is hardly the basis for serious claims about other experiences. One neglected, but important rule of logic is "from false premises, anything follows." |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 20 Apr 04 - 11:31 AM Gort, Klatu, Barata, Nickto. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Apr 04 - 11:15 AM Don't nitpick, Amos. :-) That's why I said about a century later...I was well aware that I would have to to go to an encyclopedia and check dates to get it exactly right, and I was kind of in a hurry at the time, so I didn't want to do that. I made an approximate statement merely to illustrate a point. The dates aren't of any importance to establishing the point. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Amos Date: 20 Apr 04 - 11:08 AM Captain Cook and Lord Nelson would not have believed the airliner concept to be possible, but we have done it...about a century later. How about that? How about learning to count, LH? For your settlement to be correct we would have had to cross the Atlantic by airliner in about 1905, a century after Nelson's death at Trafalgar. Cook's dates were 1728-1779. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Bill D Date: 20 Apr 04 - 11:01 AM "My father was the keeper of the Asteroid light, And he slept with a Martian one fine night. And from this union, there came three- Two were mustants, and the other was me. Yo,ho, ho- the jets run free. Oh for a life at the speed of c!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Ellenpoly Date: 20 Apr 04 - 08:18 AM So far, I've counted Foolestroupe, and now noddy who have come out of the Alien Cosmic Closet, not to forget kitties. Come on guys, time to come clean. Tell us when and where you arrived, and what you think of this planet..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: GUEST,noddy Date: 20 Apr 04 - 08:08 AM The arrogance of you earthlings! Why do you think you are so important to make any other life form interested in your planet |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Escamillo Date: 20 Apr 04 - 03:02 AM Yes, that's why I said "tremendous challenge it will be" and not "it would be", because I'm confident that some day the human race will find a way to the stars. For a moment, please let's go back to phantasy, which is one of the most productive and fascinating territories of the mind. If there is a hole in the time-space, a worm tunnel through which some energy could travel through transformations, then it is not reasonable to expect solid ships and material creatures to visit us, or to send to the stars. It would be reasonable to find other forms of energy containing a message. Measurable energy, repeatable experiments. Perhaps we are immersed in signals from another civilization, and can't see them because we have not reached the threshold technology, as a primitive Martian who lives in a place bombarded by our radio and TV transmissions and can't notice them because he doesn't know how to build a receiver. The chances of being "focused" by transmissions from outer space are extremely low, because they would need to SPOT us, but the first signal of life that we have sent to space is very weak, responds to relativity laws, and have been travelling only 80 years or so. Did they discover a way to send a wide and strong signal to large areas? May be. Un abrazo, Andrés |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Apr 04 - 01:44 AM I think I'll point out that it was a tremendous challenge for Inuit hunters to travel to the British Isles in their kayaks too. :-) In fact, none ever did! This did not stop the British from travelling to North America in wooden ships, however. We now do it in airplanes. Captain Cook and Lord Nelson would not have believed the airliner concept to be possible, but we have done it...about a century later. How about that? We have this theory that faster-than-light speed is not possible. The theory may be incorrect. There may be a way of travelling that does not even involve "speed" in the sense that we think of it, yet easily allows fast interstellar travel. If so, present day authorities on this planet would not believe in it. Their assumptions in that regard might be incorrect. As for slaughtered cattle's bodies out in the country, I never really had any opinion about what was causing that, though it did occur to me that Earthly cultists or Satanists might be doing it for ritual purposes. Your story is quite interesting, Escamillo. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Escamillo Date: 19 Apr 04 - 11:41 PM ChiefChaos, this is a link to the English translation of the report. Not only the University of Buenos Aires has had intervention, also the Central University based in Tandil, and the SENASA (Animal Health Dept.) : University and SENASA Report I am sure that US and UK scientists have come to similar conclusions, but I still couldn't find a report, probably buried below hundreds of reports and repetitions of reports from UFO researchers who ignore the University's report or try to argue against scientists. It's important to note that in this case, the subject of investigation were animal carcasses and pieces of land which were studied at the laboratory and in the field, as many times as the scientists wanted, and also that the small rodents were photographed, filmed and caught doing their labour, and brought to the laboratories too, and the cuts were compared and found identical to those misterious "too clean" cuts previously reported. Their reasons (the mice's reasons) were reasonable. We are invading their habitats and altering their habits, so they look for .. beef. May I answer some of your other questions? 1) Their is no other side of a black hole in the geometrical sense. Scientists speculate that the center of black holes are a passage to another dimension or to another state of energy. Nothing proved yet. 2) Quarks, atoms and even molecules can't be seen, but its presence and characteristics are being studied from ancient times because they are widely available and can be put under instruments, measured, weighted, destroyed, their radiation detected, their chemical behavior predicted, artificial atoms created, etc.etc, all things that don't happen with UFOs.(Please, radar detection of an object is not proof of an alien vehicle) 3) Until now in this debate I didn't see anybody who denies the existence of extraterrestrial life, only it was said that it was not proved yet, but all we accept that the probabilities are extremely high. But, Alas, we have NOT travelled to the stars, and we know what a tremendous challenge it will be. Un abrazo, Andrés BTW, the "Disclosure Project" is a complete swindle. They only want to invite researchers to license their findings to their company, because they have nothing. See for yourself :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Donuel Date: 19 Apr 04 - 05:34 PM ufo/dimensioanal themes http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/zfzce.jpg http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/abduction1 http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/atower.html http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/alib.html http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/string.html http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/amother.jpg http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/flatv.jpg http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/galaxies-of-life2.jpg http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/Paperlcity6b.jpg http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/starmap4a.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: GUEST Date: 19 Apr 04 - 04:38 PM well - according to some theories it takes so long for the infalling mass to get through the event horizon that none has ever REACHED the center of mass of a black hole. Try THAT one on for size!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Chief Chaos Date: 19 Apr 04 - 04:26 PM Well, since matter can't be created or destroyed, that either means it's going somewhere, or the mass of the interior of the black hole must be growing exponentially which means we should be able to see an expansion of the blackhole as it's density creates larger gravitational forces. Either way I'm way over my head here, and it's starting to hurt. I'm going back to my little world where I don't have to think as much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: GUEST,MMario Date: 19 Apr 04 - 04:05 PM chief - you are assuming there is an "other side" or ejecta. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Chief Chaos Date: 19 Apr 04 - 03:51 PM Escamillo - do you have a link to the report of the rats? I thought that this phenomenon was going on in our country as well so it's kind of a shock to find that it's been rats all this time. Also, I'm curious. Given that nothing with mass exceeds the speed of light, and that light itself can't avoid the extreme forces of a black hole, what happens to the ejecta on the other side of the hole? And for those that don't believe, have you ever seen an atom? Pictures don't count! They could be altered! Have you ever seen a quark? What about those other scientific subdivisions of subparticles that we all accept because of mathematics? Does it not make sense that in a universe with "billions and billions of stars" (Thank you Mr. Sagan)to put a number on the concept, a small percentage of which, like this solar system, contain planets, a small percentage of which have earthlike conditions (M-class - whatever that means), that at least one more out of these billions and billions of stars should by the odds alone have a life form if not an intelligent life form? And since we have "traveled to the stars" in the form of landers, satellites and such that they have or will do the same? My friend here just told me that there's no intelligent life on this planet so I guess it's all a moot point! |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Amos Date: 19 Apr 04 - 03:25 PM City UFO is really fine, Donuel!! A |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Donuel Date: 19 Apr 04 - 03:19 PM Three years ago I did quite a few UFO paintings. Some might get a kick out of some of these... http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/valley3.jpg http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/cityufo.jpg gotta go... |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Peace Date: 19 Apr 04 - 01:43 PM I don't think we can explain away all rainbows in photography as Newton rings. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Chief Chaos Date: 19 Apr 04 - 01:12 PM Was it a light effect? There certainly were quite a few discos around at the time. I know for sure that it wasn't a searchlight. I know now alot of things that i didn't as a child at the age of twelve. But certainly if it were a flasely reported light effect rather than a true UFO I would think they'd at least have the decency to laugh at themselves and put something in the paper to explain it. I realize that whatever proof is brought forth to prove or to disprove will always be looked at with a skeptical eye (yes I'm no longer sceptic! *BG*. The only way we'll ever really prove that their are or there aren't UFOs (meaning intelligent alien life forms) is to be able to make it to the stars ourselves. That's a dream worth realizing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: UFOs do not exist! From: Amos Date: 19 Apr 04 - 11:41 AM Wolfgang: Dankeschoen for the reply. If the photos in that series were genuine (i.e., reproductions of photos that had been taken as reported and not altered) then the commonality of forms in the objects in many (but not all) of them needs some other explanation, and I don't think a tendency of droplets on lenses to dry in similar patterns will really explain the detail in many of them. If they are retouched or doctored phtos, then of course all bets are off. A |
