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Lyr Req: Fate o' Charlie & My Bonny Hieland Laddie

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Subject: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- John M.'s 2 songs?
From: GUEST,SBFlyFan
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 02:55 PM

Hi, I have a CD called "The Fate O' Charlie" by Archie Fisher, Barbara Dickson and John Mackinnon.

Barbara Dickson's website has most of the lyrics of this CD here http://www.barbaradickson.net/lyrics_the_fate_o_charlie_offici.html but it doesn't list the lyrics to the two John Mackinnon songs.

I'm looking for the lyrics of "My Bonny Hieland Laddie" and "The Fate O' Charlie." Can anyone assist me? Thanks! --Joe :)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: pavane
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 05:54 PM

Brilliant album.
I do have it, but may have a problem transcribing the Scots
Will give it a try, anyway


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: pavane
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 06:29 PM

My Bonnie Heiland Laddie

When first he landed on our shore, the graceful looks o' that brave laddie
Made every heiland heart ?to warm? & lang to wear the tartan Plaidie
When Geordie heard the news ?belie, that he had come before his Daddy
He 30 thousand pounds would give, to catch him in his tartan plaidie

He sent John Cope unto the nortn, wi' a' his men for battle ready
But Charlie boldly sallied forth, with bonnet blue and belted plaidie
Cope ?raid a race tae Inverness, and found the Prince gane sooth (South) already
Like lion bold ?and uncontrolled, wi' belt and brand and tartan plaidie

Cope turned the chase and left the place, the Lothians was the next land ready
And then he swore at Prestonpans he would disgrace the heiland laddie
Oh my bonny heiland lad, my handsome charming heiland laddie
May Heaven guard and him reward wi' bonnet blue and tartan plaidie


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Subject: Lyr Add: MY BONNY HIELAND LADDIE
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Apr 04 - 11:26 PM

Pavane - I have the same problem transcribing the Scottish dialect and it's even worse since I'm American!

Thanks SO much for the lyrics of "My Bonny Hieland Laddie. I did make a few corrections...

MY BONNY HIELAND LADDIE

When first he landed on our strand, the graceful looks o' that brave laddie
Made every heiland heart tae warm & lang tae wear the tartan Plaidie
When Geordie heard the news belief, that he was come before his Daddy
He 30 thousand pounds would give, to catch him in his tartan plaidie

He sent John Cope unto the north, wi' a' his men for battle ready
But Charlie boldly sallied forth, wi' bonnet blue and belted plaidie
Cope raid a race tae Inverness, and found the Prince gane sooth (South) already
Like lion bold and uncontrolled, wi' belt and brand and tartan plaidie

Cope turned the chase and left the place, the Lothians was the next land ready
And then he swore at Prestonpans he would disgrace the heiland laddie
Oh my bonny heiland lad, my handsome charming heiland laddie
May Heaven guard and him reward wi' bonnet blue and tartan plaidie.

-------------
Here's my attempt at "The Fate O' Charlie." As you can see, I'm missing quite alot.. LOL.

"The Fate O' Charlie"
? , ?
My brave, ?
Beware of Cumberland my dearie!
Culloden's field this day will seal
the fate o' Scotland's own Prince Charlie.

The highland clans nae more are seen
tae fight for him for ne'er was eerie.
They for'er are on yon red field
and trampled in for followin' Charlie.

He was her prince named a'er Saint ?
That ? thus we all ? ?
And ? ? ?
Joined hand in hand
Tae ? ? ?
To reign Prince Charlie

? bride stood at the ?
Her lover's steed arrived right early
His rider's gane, his bridle's wet
wi' blood o' him wha' fell for Charlie.

Oh, weep fair maids of Scotland's isle;
me blood for lady oh sweet early.
Culloden reeks wi' ? ? ?
o' those who are bled for Scotland's Charlie.

Thanks Again! --Joe :)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 05:33 AM

The Fate o' Charlie - first line -
Lochiel, Lochiel, my brave Lochiel
Donald Cameron of Lochiel was the first important recruit to the cause after Charlie landed in Scotland.
The Duke of Cumberland, son of King George II was known as 'The Butcher'
I can't find my words for it but I think the missing bits are mainly names. Last verse, line 2: Lady o' sweet Airly
I'll keep looking.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: SBFlyFan
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 05:55 PM

Now I'm a member.. yay...

I've listened to the song again and using Little Robyn's corrections I've tried to come up with some more of the missing lyrics... I inserted what I heard 'phonetically' in the blank spots (marked with **), maybe someone will recognize the spelling errors and can correct me?

Thanks.--Joe

"The Fate O' Charlie"
Lochiel, Lochiel, my brave Lochiel:
beware of Cumberland, my dearie!
Culloden's field this day will seal
the fate o' Scotland's ain Prince Charlie.

The highland clans nae more are seen
tae fight for him for ne'er was eerie.
They for'er are on yon red field
and trampled doon for followin' Charlie.

He was her prince named a'er Sain' **Nole**
That ? thus we all **camed fairly**
Then **wha' would know **
Joined hand in hand
Tae **kep' frae scaith**
Who reigned Prince Charlie

**Glenooland's** bride stood at the **yed**
Her lover's steed arrived recht early
His rider's gane, his bridle's wet
wi' blood o' him wha' fell for Charlie.

Oh, weep fair maids of Scotland's isle;
me blood for Lady o' sweet Airly.
Culloden reeks wi' **? (I don't know but it sounds something like "patpol gore" - is it some sort of liquid?)**
o' those who are bled for Scotland's Charlie.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 06:14 AM

After listening to the record about 10 times we've almost got it.

The Fate O' Charlie
Lochiel, Lochiel, my brave Lochiel,
Beware of Cumberland, my dearie.
Culloden's field this day will seal
The fate o' Scotland's ain Prince Charlie.

The Highland clans nae more are seen
Tae fight for him for ne'er was **eerie.**
They fallen are on yon red field
And trampled doon for following Charlie.

He was a prince, nane dare say no.
The truth o' this we a' ken'd fairly.
Then wha would no' join hand in hand
Tae keep frae **scaith** oor ain Prince Charlie.

Glen**Erland's** bride stood at the yett (gate)
Her lover's steed arrived recht early
His rider's gane, his bridle's wet
Wi' blood o' him wha fell for Charlie.

Oh, weep fair maids o' Scotland's isle;
Weep loud fair Lady o' sweet Airly.
Culloden reeks wi' purple gore
O' those who bled for Scotland's Charlie.

Maybe now some experts on the doric will finish this for us???
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 06:50 AM

I've just checked the Scots glossary up the top (Quick links box) and scaith or skaith means harm - to keep from harm our own Prince Charlie. Makes sense.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 04:05 PM

Still looking for it. Apparently the words are in a songbook called 'A Jacobite Legacy' by Peter Kay. Does anyone have a copy of that they could check? The record doesn't have any info on specific songs, only a brief history of the uprisings and no authors are given. It might be Lady Nairn, it doesn't seem to be Robbie Burns or Sir Walter Scott or Lady John Scott or......
So who wrote it then? Is it a recent one?
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: SBFlyFan
Date: 13 Apr 04 - 06:23 PM

Thanks so much, Little Robyn! I finally understand what's going on in the song (and I don't have to hum along with the wrong lyrics anymore!) Is there anyway to submit these two songs to the folksong database?

--Joe :)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 02:45 AM

Woa there - it may be full of Mondegreens. I'm hoping there's someone with the book who could check it first. For example, line 1 in verse 3 might be 'He was oor prince.... ' and 2nd to last line in verse 5 might be 'Culloden's rigs...' It doesn't seem to make sense yet.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: SBFlyFan
Date: 14 Apr 04 - 03:29 PM

Okay.. sorry, didn't realize there was still some checking left on it.

I'll join in the request as well.. does anyone have the songbook who could check the lyrics for us? Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 04:09 PM

Is Malcolm Douglas back from Norfolk yet? He usually has the right answers.
Robyn


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Subject: Lyr Add: THE FATE OF CHARLIE (from James Hogg)
From: Dita
Date: 17 Apr 04 - 12:57 PM

From Hogg's Jacobite Relics,
published 1845, Second Series, Appendix Part 1

Song XX.
The Fate of Charlie
Modern

Lochiel, Lochiel, my brave Lochiel,
Beware o' Cumberland, my dearie!
Culloden field this day will seal
The fate o' Scotland's ain Prince Charlie.

The Highland clans nae mair are seen,
To fight for him wha ne'er was eerie,
They fallen are on yon red field,
An' trampled down for liking Charlie.

He was our Prince—nane dare say no,
The truth o' this we a' ken fairly;
Then wha would no joined hand in hand,
To've kept frae skaith our ain Prince Charlie?

Glenullen's bride stood at the yett,
Her lover's steed arrived right early;
His rider's gane, his bridle's wet,
Wi' blude o' him wha fell for Charlie!

O weep, fair maids o' Scotia's isle,
Weep loud, fair lady o' sweet Airlie;
Culloden reeks wi' purple gore,
O' those wha bled for Scotia's Charlie.

Repent, repent black Murray's race,
Ye were the cause o' this foul ferlie,
An shaw to George wha fills his shoon,
That ye'll no sell him like puir Charlie.


I imagine James Hogg's book would have been the source of the version in Peter Kay's book (which I'm not familiar with).

So as you can see you got the transcription pretty well spot on.
The last verse was not used in the recording.

Little Robyn - Culloden reeks wi' purple gore - Culloden field is stained/tainted/smells/ with/of blood and guts.

If any other lines don't make sense I'll try to translate if you flag them up.

Cheers John


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 17 Apr 04 - 04:47 PM

Thank you John, that's exactly what I was hoping for.
Do you know who Glenullan was? I couldn't find mention of him in any of my books on the uprisings.
Joe - now it's ready for the DT.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 17 Apr 04 - 06:30 PM

It needs a tune first.

I had put together a fair bit of material relating to the other song, but a link in another thread crashed my entire blasted computer and all was lost; I don't have time at the moment to do it all again. If you look around, you'll find a different version in the DT and other related stuff, plus broadside editions at the Bodleian. Your My Bonnie Hieland Laddie appears to have been cut down from the set in Hogg (II, 115-117), with the chorus removed and a few alterations made from the broadside form. It appears as O My Bonny Highland Laddie; it's quite hazardous to "Scotticise" spellings on the basis of somebody's pronounciation on a record unless you're pretty familiar with the idiom, as there isn't a fully standardised system. It isn't Doric, incidentally; that's specifically a North Eastern dialect.

I'll get back to it in time, probably; but perhaps Dita would be kind enough to produce it? I don't have a copy of Hogg; though the text is reprinted in MacQuoid's Jacobite Songs and Ballads, I don't know how accurately.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Fate O' Charlie LP- help with lyrics?
From: SBFlyFan
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 04:03 PM

Wow! This is great - thanks alot! :) Joe


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Subject: Lyr Add: O MY BONNY HIGHLAND LADDIE (from J Hogg)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 23 Nov 07 - 12:01 AM

From The Jacobite Relics of Scotland by James Hogg, 1821:

O MY BONNY HIGHLAND LADDIE

Our gallant prince is now come hame
To Scotland, to proclaim his daddie:
May Heav'n protect the royal name
Of Stuart, and the tartan plaidie!

CHORUS: O my bonny Highland laddie,
My handsome charming Highland laddie!
May Heav'n still guard, and him reward,
Wi's bonnet blue, and tartan plaidie!

When first he landed on our strand,
the gracefu' looks o' that brave laddie
Made every Highland heart to warm
And lang to wear the tartan plaidie.

When Geordie heard the news belyve,
that he was come before his daddie,
He thirty thousand pounds would give,
to catch him in his tartan plaidie.

But Geordie kend the better way,
To stay at hame wi' his braw lady.
Wha canna fight, he needs must pay,
To ward the glent o' Highland plaidie.

He sent John Cope unto the north,
wi' a' his men for battle ready;
But Charlie bauldly sallied forth,
wi' bonnet blue and belted plaidie.

Cope rade a race to Inverness,
and fand the prince gane south already,
Like lion bold, all uncontrolled'd,
wi' belt, and brand, and tartan plaidie.

Cope turn'd the chase and left the place;
the Lothians was the next land ready;
And then he swore that at Gladsmuir
he wad disgrace the Highland plaidie.

Says he, "My lads, I tell you true,
I'm sorry that they're sae unready.
Small is the task we have to do,
To catch this rebel in his plaidie."


The prince he rose by break of day,
And blythely was he buskit ready.
"Let's march," said he; "Cope langs to see
The bonnet blue, and belted plaidie."

They were nae slack, nae flinching back;
In rank and file they marched steady;
For they were bent, with one consent,
To fight for him that wore the plaidie.

But soon John Cope cried to his men,
"For gudesake turn, ye dogs, and speed ye,
And let each man 'scape as he can.
The deil confound the tartan plaidie!"

Some rade on horse, some ran on foot;
Their heels were light, their heads were giddy:
But, late or air, they'll lang nae mair
To meet the lad wi' the Highland plaidie.

Now, where is Cope, wi' a' his brag?
Say, is the craven gane already?
O leeze me on my bonny lad,
His bonnet blue and belted plaidie!


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