BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)

Subject: BS: He's gone
From: muppett
Date: 27 May 04 - 11:57 AM

Just on the BBC sports web page that Nasser Hussain has packed it in, i.e. playing for Essex & England as from immediate effect.
Wow a bit of a bomb shell I thought he might have had one more shot at the Windies before he packed it in. Has he jumped before he got pushed.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: Bill D
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:00 PM

this REALLY needs a more informative title, don't you think? Why expect EVERYONE to open it for a bit on a local sports story?

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: el ted
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:01 PM

An true Englishman knew EXACTLY what the title meant Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: Bill D
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:04 PM

**I** am not a true Englishman...**I** thought it might be of wider significance

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: Wolfgang
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:06 PM

'I'm back'
'I dare you not to laugh'
'It's a long shot'

are other informative titles of today.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:06 PM

I must be Chinese then.

I had hoped it was many other people.......

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: muppett
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:06 PM

OD on Bill, it is of wide significance to some of us, aye you might call us sad uns but at least it keeps us off the streets.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: el ted
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:10 PM

Could be an opening here for Boycott's return eh what?

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: Jeanie
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:11 PM

I suppose you're right, Bill D - but as soon as I saw Muppett's title, I knew it must be about Nasser Hussain. It *is* "local" to me and indirectly personal too (through knowing his mum), but you don't have to come from Essex or live in Brentwood or even understand cricket to find it newsworthy. This is national and international, not just "local".

Muppett: I heard Graham Gooch interviewed just now on BBC Essex, and he thought it was a timely moment to quit. What will Nasser do now, do you think ?

- jeanie (not a cricket fan, just from Essex)

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: Amos
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:45 PM

The problem is that these parochial, highly local issues are taking up bandwidth when they have nothing to do with the intended uses of the 'Cat -- which are folk music and common BS. This microclimate stuff is meaningless to the majority of people on this forum. And the provincialism is such that they are impossible to understand if you ar enot one of the priveleged and happy few who speak the provincial language. So I fail to see why they should constantly be added to the Mudcat's storage. 'Course, I am just being as counter-provincial, here! :>)

A

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: Morticia
Date: 27 May 04 - 12:53 PM

Could you not say the same about the seemingly endless discussions on American Politics,Bill? They are pretty meaningless to an awful lot of the other countries represented on the Cat.

What you have to understand is that, to many an Englishman (and I am neither english nor male, therefore have no axe to grind here)their national Cricket Team is way more important than politics.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: ard mhacha
Date: 27 May 04 - 01:01 PM

Strange name for an English hero, and I remember once an English politician [Norman Tebbitt?] questioning the loyalty of those members of the England cricket team, who were black and of Indian or Paskistan origin.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: Amos
Date: 27 May 04 - 01:06 PM

Sure, Morty!! I said I was being counter-provincial. I just like my province better!! :>))

I do think the American elections have an international impact and might be of concern to a lot wider audience than just Yanks.

A

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 01:06 PM

seemingly endless discussions on American Politics,Bill? They are pretty meaningless to an awful lot of the other countries represented on the Cat.

You mean except for Afghanistan, Iraq, Canada, Mexico, Israel, Turkey, Greece, the U.K., France, Germany, Australia, Spain, Russia, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Thailand, India, Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait?

Certainly you could care nothing for the discussions - but to say that American politics are meaningless to the rest of the world it a bit naive.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: Morticia
Date: 27 May 04 - 01:14 PM

I didn't say that, BC.....but since so very much of the Cat appears to be given over to discussions on each and every personal foible of each and every candidate, I do think a little space for other things is not unreasonable.That it affects other countries is undeniable, that we in other countries can do nothing to affect the outcome is also undeniable.

As a matter of fact,I could just have easily said threads on people called Bill or Henry or whatever the hell it is, or the ubiquitous MOAB thread, or half a dozen others......live and let live, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: Amos
Date: 27 May 04 - 01:16 PM

Morty, you're absolutely right.

Thanks!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone
From: Bill D
Date: 27 May 04 - 01:24 PM

I am not arguing what can or should be discussed....I am MERELY pleading for obviously provincial thread to be identified in the title!

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 01:31 PM

Poof - it is done.

Mortica - I know what you were saying, but the threads are started by people here - if that are so many U.S. politic treads it's becuase people start them and read them.

As glorius as Brit football ans cricket might be - just how many people here care?

Notice that there aren't even a lot of threads for U.S. sports. I love baseball and my favoirite team is leading the majors, but I haven't bothered starting a thread, because it seems few around here would care. I also do get into most of the politic threads.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 27 May 04 - 02:07 PM

One thing to bear in mind is that when it comes to sport, even cricket is rather more international than American Football or Baseball. Read this

The retirement of a former England captain could well be of interest to people in Aus and NZ for example. I don't think we are being as insular as is suggested.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Bill D
Date: 27 May 04 - 02:27 PM

it is not a matter of insular or not, folks....even if cricket bacame the most played sport on the planet (and it AINT!), "He's gone" is not a reasonable way to refer to it.

I do not comprehend why it is thought cute and/or clever to use such an oblique reference in forum like this where it 'could' mean anything to those who are NOT cricket fans.

(opinionated?? me?...nawwwwww....)

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 27 May 04 - 02:35 PM

Agreed Bill.

I was responding to

"Notice that there aren't even a lot of threads for U.S. sports."

and a couple of other comments I read, not your views on thread titles.

Sorry I failed to make that clear.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Bill D
Date: 27 May 04 - 02:49 PM

ok...*smile*

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 27 May 04 - 02:56 PM

Anyway back to the (now better titled) topic...

I'm sorry to see him retire and I felt he had still had a lot to offer at the highest level in cricket but I've no doubt Nasser knows what's best for himself.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 04:27 PM

Jon - all I'm saying is that the Brits around here (and ok all those around the world who follow Criket and British football) are really the only ones who spend much time talking about sports on Mudcat.

Nothing wrong with that, but I was responding to someone complaining that there's too much U.S. Politics - The Mudcat is what we make it. It is as about as democratic as possible - Ther are more Americans on the site because we have a population of 300 million - more than the rest of native speaking English people around the world combined. It's only natural that we would have more people here.

It'sd funny - we get complaints from the U.K. that theres too much American politics and complaints from the U.S. that there's too much British music and sports being discussed.

Imagine how Skarpi in Iceland feels!

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 27 May 04 - 04:49 PM

OK Blackcatter, we are all responding to other's responses... sort of a chain reaction! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 27 May 04 - 04:51 PM

(sorry if that isn't clear BTW - I was trying to make a joke and indicate I understood what you were saying and your point)

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Shlio
Date: 27 May 04 - 05:28 PM

I didn't realise he'd quit county playing as well...
Big bombshell

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 27 May 04 - 09:08 PM

I think it's a terrible shame. I'm Australian.
Cricket is the loser.

On a totally unrelated subject, perhaps the whingers should open a whingers' thread so as not to bother everybody else with their inanities.

Or perhaps Joe could be prevailed upon to provide a third section for whinging, since it seems to have become such a popular activity of late.

John

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 27 May 04 - 09:59 PM

I posted to the last cricket thread, and then wished I hadn't as soon as I'd hit "submit". For even without Bill D's intervention I'd belatedly realised that many American catters might reasonably be irritated by cricket threads.

I don't think the fact that a sport may be "international" is really the point. Formula 1 motor-racing is probably more truly international than cricket - or at least it is not confined to Britain and its former colonies and dominions - but it would equally isolate a large proportion of catters. Just as a proliferation of threads about baseball would isolate many outside the US. The comparison with American politics is facile: one of the great values of Mudcat, in my reckoning, is the forum it provides for discussing politics from a wide range of perspectives. And American politics, in particular, affect all of us.

Overdoing topics that isolate significant chunks of the membership, as we are in danger of doing with cricket, is potentially divisive and simply not necessary. To do it under a thread title of "He's gone" as Muppett did was thoughtless and indulgent. I'm surprised that no apology was forthcoming when Bill D pointed out the effect of it, just as I was surprised by the crass contribution from El Ted.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 May 04 - 11:37 PM

Jon - no problem. I like to drop into the threads that I wouldn't typically be interested in every once in awhile just to see what people are talking about. When I do this with British sports, I haven't a clue what being discussed, which I've alway though was odd, because I enjoy both football and rugby and sort of understand cricket.


whingers John - may I ask what this is?


And all - don't worry about anyone having a problem with a thread - fuck'em - jsut title it appropriately and go for it. I checked out this thread initially because I couldn't think for the life of me who would be that big (outside of music, since it was a BS thread) that didn't need a name.

Oh - and what the hell - Go Angels! Win the pennant!

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 May 04 - 01:23 AM

Even Aussies (after the addition to the thread title) would mostly figure who the thread was about...

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 May 04 - 01:25 AM

BTW, Cricket IS played in the USA - just doesn't make it onto the news media. (And they're not very good at it yet!) :-)

Robin (from Australia!)

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Blackcatter
Date: 28 May 04 - 01:40 AM

I'd have to tell you Robin American's have been playing Cricket longer that Australians.

We aren't great at it, but that's because we've invented other games We learned to not copy the U.K after we beat them in two wars.

It is odd that Cricket never became a serious sport in the U.S., but hey - it's not even that big in Canada.

And as for football (soccer) we're very proud at how good our women are!

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: el ted
Date: 28 May 04 - 04:03 AM

Oh....... Sorry...........wrong thread........ I thought this one was about Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: muppett
Date: 28 May 04 - 04:12 AM

Come on you lot whats up with youu stop taking things so seriously, I asked the question in all innocence, to folk out there in mudcat land, who are cricket fans, yep I made the mistake of not indicating that it was to do with cricket, but it only takes a press of a key pad to relise that oh blo**y H*ll, it's Cricket. Come on there's engouch in this world to worry about, CHILL OUT & DON'T GET YER KNICKERS (or any other under garment) IN A TWIST (OOPS hope I didn't offend anyone with that comment)

PS. to answer Jeanie's question about what will Nasser do now, could he possibly join other former England captains like Tony Greg,Geoff Boycott,David Gower and Michael Atherton into broadcasting.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: muppett
Date: 28 May 04 - 04:18 AM

The USA could be Co hosting the 2007 cricket world cup along with the West Indies (hoping to host some early round matches in Florida) and they are playing in this year's ICC Champions Trophey, in the same group as Australia and New Zealand.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 28 May 04 - 05:36 AM

What will Nasser do now, do you think ?

He'll do what most cricketers do when they retire, become a commentator - in his case with Sky Television.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Ooh- Aah
Date: 28 May 04 - 06:35 AM

Beat us in two wars my arse! The Canadians and ourselves caned you in 1812!

Cricket is very very relevant to, eg: the people of India (where Nasser Hussain was born) - population 1 BILLION plus - put that in your pipe and smoke it!

If you don't like cricket you (1) don't know it - fair enough
                              (2) don't understand it
                              (3) have a very short concentration span
If (2) AND (3) coincide you may well be an American - poor sausage; go away.
                              
I agree it's a great shame he's retiring - he certainly passed the Tebbit Test (who cares) - a great sportsman and a great English player. The game is poorer for his departure.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Jeanie
Date: 28 May 04 - 06:58 AM

He still has a reasonable head of hair, but later can also follow the example of his predecessor, Gooch
I always find it interesting to see what these people do on retirement - the footballers always seem to have already set up a business unrelated to football, boxers do panto, and they *all* earn loads with after dinner speaking. There's a rather nice-looking ex-cricketer called Phil someone (I think) who I confess I had never heard of until he retired, but is on TV quiz and chat shows nearly every week now. Sometimes they do even better and become more well-known in 'retirement' than before.

- jeanie (who lives in the Bruno, Gooch, Hussain, Davis, Brooking- and-other-West Ham-ancients' ghetto, also favoured by past and present Eastenders folk and Busted)

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Jeanie
Date: 28 May 04 - 07:00 AM

Sorry about the above mass of blue clicky. Forgive me. I'm from Essex.

- jeanie

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: muppett
Date: 28 May 04 - 09:38 AM

Will he come back in years to come as an Umpire?

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Hrothgar
Date: 28 May 04 - 09:46 AM

About 1300 million people in countries where cricket is important.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 28 May 04 - 10:28 AM

It is odd that Cricket never became a serious sport in the U.S.,...

Not really. Cricket, at least at test level is a long affair, these days lasting 5 days. It is great for those who understand it but in fairness would never suit the US mass marketing trends. Cricket vs Baseball is a bit like having a decent meal vs going to McDonalds.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Les from Hull
Date: 28 May 04 - 11:13 AM

I understand that Nas already had a commentator job lined up (that's sportscaster for our US friends we haven't already pissed off - and that's upset in your language). Anyway it allows an easier choice for the next Test, the captain will play if he's fit (he's actually turning out for Yorkshire's next one-day match). We couldn't drop the new lad after his performance.

Nas is 36 years old remember, but after his performance in the last match who would have thought it? At least he goes out on a high, with a fine match-winning performance.

Let's celebrate a fine sportman here and stop wingeing about whether it's important enough to get a discussion on Mudcat.

Les

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: muppett
Date: 28 May 04 - 11:23 AM

Well Said Les

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 May 04 - 11:24 AM

crazy stuff if you ask me, he just scored a century and quick too, not like Boycott - heroically defending the crease - albeit against better bowlers

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 28 May 04 - 10:04 PM

Blackcatter -
Sorry I'm late. Been having power problems here.
A whinger is someone who complains a lot. I didn't realize it wasn't in universal use.

John

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Blackcatter
Date: 28 May 04 - 10:22 PM

Cricket vs Baseball is a bit like having a decent meal vs going to McDonalds.

So what your saying is that Cricket became popular everywhere else in the 1950s? Because Baseball was well established by the 1880s and predates that by at least 50 years. I've never said there's anything wrong with Cricket I was just questioning why it wasn't ever popular in the U.S., and all I get in response is a slam on the short attention span of the U.S. Just how many things do you do that take up to 5 days? The rest of your popular sports last only a few hours. And as for food - are you aware that Britain continues to be the butt of jokes when it comes to quality?

As for the War of 1812 - What was Britain's goal in that war? To kill a few Americans and burn the White House? If that was all (and not to try to gain a lot of land and/or make our government fail), no wonder we've also had to bail you out of 2 world wars, gave you the Bomb and your government is silly enough to be the only serious ally with the U.S. in the current pointless war.


And as for Florida hosting some matches in 2007, welcome to my state - at least we won't have to put many of your fans in jail like we would if we were hosting your football team and fans.

Thanks John for your answer - I'd never heard the word before.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: S O P
Date: 29 May 04 - 11:33 AM

Black:

'Whinger' actually sounds like 'windge' when it's spoken aloud.

As in: What's all the windging about

You bring up a possibly sore point when you blithely assert US 'gave' British the A-Bomb. The British played major role in A-bomb theory (including the discovery of the neutron from which dates nuclear physics). The British also had technical expertise if not decisive edge in: Allied development of jet propulsion, practical application of radar, electronic computer development.

I would welcome expansion of this thread to some references in figuring out how the hell the game of cricket is played, and why.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 29 May 04 - 12:04 PM

No Blackcatter, just that I don't feel a 5 day test series would suit the American market (which like it or not I do belive is further down the line of mass marketing than we are). There is of course some truth in other comments regarding attention spans which does even apply to our contry and we of course have one day, limited overs versions of cricket which are perhaps more appealing to more even over here than the test match.

As for food, sadly I can believe that but I think it is a shame. IMO, the traditional British roast for example with fresh vegatables etc. is an excellent meal. I did not mean to imply that all US food was "McDonalds" (or even that I would never eat at such a place) in case you read it that way - we've had many good food threads on the Annexe with some wonderful contributions from Americans!

As for our football supporters (and I am one, supporting Norwich City). It seems they are taking strong action now with reports of 2000+ known thugs being stopped from getting out of the country for our next match. It's a small minority but over the years, they have got us a reputation that I for one do not want...

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Blackcatter
Date: 29 May 04 - 12:42 PM

Good responses Jon,

Of course cricket does have a following here in the U.S. - there's a cricket league even here in Orlando, FL. I know several of the teams are sponsored by local pubs. I inhabit one of the Irish pubs, and we don't happen to have a cricket team, but I've been on its dart and pool league teams which play the Engish pubs.

I believe the cricket players are mostly non-U.S. born and made up of the dozens of countries that play the sport - especially the West Indies, I believe.


I love a British Roast - and remember there's something called Yankee Pot Roast that's quite good as well. Britain is making strides in cuisine improvement, although I have to say the could times I've been to the U.K., I've eaten mostly in "forgeign" establishements (but I do that here too -my last birthday the owner of my favorite Vietnamese restaurant was an invited guest.

As for football supporters, it's a long haul to get the community away from those idiots. I wonder what American fans would be like if we were invested in football(soccer) like much of the world.

By the way - you may have noticed that I try to refer to it as football, unless I am refering to it in connection with the U.S. - I prefer the name football for soccer vbecause it makes sense, especially when American football only occasionally kicks the ball. Unfortunately, there's no other term for Am. football.

I'm a baseball fan, anyhow.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Les from Hull
Date: 29 May 04 - 05:51 PM

Blackcatter - It's called American Football (I think I've heard the term 'gridiron' also) just as soccer is called Association Football and rugger is Rugby Football. Of course there's also Gaelic Football and Australian Rules...

I think that cricket is something you have to be brought up with. It's quite complicated and it's not really easy for a newcomer to understand. Even understanding the rules is child's play compared with understanding the skills and tactics involved. I'm not saying that this is a good thing or a bad thing, certainly both baseball and American Football take some understanding and call for considerable skills. All this is probably why people who have grown up with cricket want to continue playing and/or watching it. Also we who enjoy the game like to share our enjoyment of it with others, so we're sometimes a bit scary. I don't think it's to do with attention span or national characteristics or anything else like that

Hooligan support for soccer has little to do with the sport, it's more about tribalism. Real soccer fans, who vastly outnumber the idiot fringe, look on them the same way that you do.

I must take issue you with you on the history stuff, though. OK you won the first war, you and your French, Spanish and Dutch friends that is. But your country declared war on us in 1812, in an attempt to steal Canada. The excuse was 'Free Trade and Sailors' Rights' and the opportunity was our involvement in a war with Napoleon's France. After that war was over both countries were happy to have peace with no territorial changes on either side. And Japan and Germany declared war on the USA in 1941. But you are right about our food, mate!

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 29 May 04 - 07:37 PM

Cricket:
Eleven players per side
Two sides
First one side bats while the other side bowls.
Batting involves protecting three sticks making up the wicket...

Nah, Les is right.
Sorry S O P, I thought he was sidestepping the issue, but I see now that it's too big a job for a forum like this.
I think the whingers (soft g) would probably be right.
The wicket is a very minor object in the whole package, yet plays a major role, and there are many other wicketish concepts.

I think the best way to understand cticket is to commit five days of your time to watching a game.
It sounds like a big ask, but if you're fair dinkum about it, it will be rewarding.

John

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Blackcatter
Date: 29 May 04 - 07:49 PM

Well I played it one evening in York. I was walking past a park after dinner and stopped to watch a "pick-up" game (Do y'all have that term too?) I got to talking with one of the ladies who was watching and she got me in the game. Certainly didn't know all the rules, but I can swing a bat, run and catch a ball. It was difficult to swing such a light bat in an odd manner to hit to ball. The 5 pints of Newcastle didn't help either. I mean, I'm used to drinking, but not while playing baseball (which I played through my second year of college when I switched to crew).

Oh yeah - just remembered - I was part of a crew/rowing team that beat Oxford back in 1989 . . .)

We'll probably never agree on the war thing.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 06:02 AM

What was America's motivation in the war of 1812? (1)to take Canada (2)to increase America's trade at Britain's expense. End of the war: Canada still Canada, and US trade reduced to nearly zero by British Naval blockade. Nuff said.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: Les from Hull
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 11:07 AM

I notice that there's a new professional cricket league starting up in the USA using international players from various countries. One of the teams is based in Florida, so now's your chance, Blackcatter!

They're only doing 20-over matches though, the shortest type of game all over in about 3 hours.

(Latest news Yorkshire 256 for 4, versus Essex - day 1 of 4 about 4pm)

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 03:26 PM

Les -

I'll look into it. It's porbably in Miami though. Can anyone suggest a website that has a concise description of the game?


Ooh-Aah,

If you say so - but why are the British still paying attention to the war? Most Americans don't even remember it happened.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Blackcatter
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 03:27 PM

Sorry, that last GUEST post was from me.

Blackcatter

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: muppett
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 06:34 AM

So he's taken the media option up then (Nasir) and sign up to Sky Sports.

Subject: RE: BS: He's gone (English cricket topic!)
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 07:43 AM

Blackcatter, start here.

Jon