BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?

Subject: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,Cold S
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 05:21 PM

(C)hurch (O)f the (L)atter (D)ay (S)aints = Cold S..great Nic hey.
Why do the Mormon Temples have freemasons symbols on their silk baptism trunks???? Who is running who here please?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 07:25 PM

Both controlled in secret by the Illuminati, just as Bush and Kerry are.

Next question!

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 11:46 PM

Gnomes of Zurich

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 11:52 PM

heloo, waht all this is about?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 02:02 AM

I dunno, but it sounds like another case of bigotry. We've had quite a spell of that lately. I'm getting sick of it.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 02:57 AM

Dan Brown, in "Angels and Demons" suggests that the Freemasons have been infiltrated by a less desirable incarnation of the Illuminati after the Masons gave them refuge from Vatican persecution (as scientists) hundreds of years ago.

His contention is that the Illuminati have powerful men situated in all levels of government and in all major financial institutions worldwide.

Joss Weddon has a similar group which he calls The Circle of Thorns, but they don't seem to have been powerful enough to save themselves form the Network's sponsors, who are probably Illuminati members.

I don't know where the Mormons come in, but the suggestion that Bush is Illuminati is a scarey one, and feasable.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 04:36 AM

It's all secret jOhn, masons and morons= secret society.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: el ted
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 05:23 AM

Some masons are masons, and some mormons are mormons.... errrh... I'll get my coat!

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 10:20 AM

gee - ever think it is possible for more then one tradition to use the same symbols?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 01:07 PM

Ya mean like the swastika?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 02:19 PM

The swastika, with different meanings and history, was commonly used by the Navajo and other groups until it became identified with the Nazis.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 06:19 PM

Tha Nazis, Adolf in particular, were also responsible for the ruination of that cool facial feature, the square mustache.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,marks
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 09:32 PM

They are all controlled by space aliens from the Greater Magellenic Cloud - and they are so far ahead of us technically that we might as well go with the flow and not worry about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 11:36 PM

the Greater Magellenic Cloud is just a front.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 08:26 AM

...and swastikas feature in some masonic ritual (as well as Roman mosaics and Indian texts) as do pentagrams.
That's the trouble with having a few thousand years of history to draw form. Those guys were lucky!

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 09:29 AM

Freemason and Mormons? I think they're both in league with Great Cthulhu, the Mafia, the Fungi from Yuggoth, the Bavarian Illuminati, the Boy Scouts of America, the Arms Industry, Folk Singers, Lepidopterists, Taxi Drivers, Stoats and Weasels...

There's a lot more to add, but I've got to go and pick up my prescription.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: el ted
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 09:52 AM

Don't forget cough medicine Les. The forecast ain't too good for tomorrow night. Oh, and get some garlic to keep the beast of Farlington at bay.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: beadie
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 10:11 AM

Les:

Be careful with whom you associate the "stoats and weasels." As a ferret owner, a lover of mustelidae of all sorts and (some would say) a weasel myself, I believe that using this family's name as an analogy for any religious or fraternal organization such as the Mormons or Masons is an offense to the animals.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 11:10 AM

I was always getting mixed up between the two, then someone told me that weasels are weaselly recognised and stoats are stoatally different. But you've got to admit they're sneaky little devils, these mustalids. There's obviously something going on there.

I like a ferret, me. Who can ever forget John 'Otto' Cleese's plainive rendition of 'I've got a ferret sticking up my nose'? That's what music's all about, mate.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 11:18 AM

Millard Fillmore

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They've changed the voting! We can no longer vote for presidents who's dolls the company already makes. They haven't changed the results to George Washington is effectively on top of Reagan forever. I wish I could have gotten Lincoln over Nixon though.

Keep voting for Fillmore though. It's just gotten a bit easier sicne Clinton, Reagan and Washington cannot be added to.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,reality
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 08:28 PM

Some masons are masons.


Some masons are just a jar.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Jul 04 - 10:10 PM

Ah, ya know, the fact that symbols used by Freemasonry are also used on the "Temple Garments" (which are themselves derived from the long underwear worn by 19th C. farmers) of Mormons is not exactly news.

The official name is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" or, unofficially, the LDS Church or Mormon Church. It's somehow more polite to refer to members of that church as being "LDS" rather than "Mormons" but either is acceptable.

There is also the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, which was founded by Emma and Joseph Smith Jr. when Brigham Young grabbed the reins after the "Saints" (as they call themselves) fled Nauvoo. Still a third group split off and settled on Beaver Island, Michigan; the founder of this group grabbed dictatorial power and was finally gunned down by his followers.

The LDS Church is a direct descendant of (and subservient to) the Discalced Knights Templars, which survived by fleeing to North America and are now working hand in glove with the Tri-Lateral Commission and the Moloch Worshippers at the Bohemian Club in San Francisco.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: A Wandering Minstrel
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 08:14 AM

It should be noted that Dan Brown is an excellent writer of FICTION!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 09:32 AM

Minstrel -

That's true, but good fiction is always surrounded by and based on fact, and Brown is renowned for the exhaustive research behind his novels.

I'm not saying that everything he writes is necessarily true, but given the political state of the world at present, one can be forgiven for wondering.

There are all sorts of theories about Mormons, Masons, Knights Templar and Illuminati, and most of it is fairly obviously malicious bigotry as Joe said earlier, but this should not prevent us from asking questions about the true reasons our national leaders do what they do. Especially when what they do is otherwise so mystifying.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 09:42 AM

Mystifying? The word should be "mistifying" because they're wandering around in a fog.

Don't discount blind ignorance, fanaticism, and congenital stupidity.

As for the Illuminati, etc. etc. running things -- former male bovine nutriment! Give the human race some credit for being able to screw things up without guidance, will ya?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,crazy little woman
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 02:49 PM

Re "There is also the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, which was founded by Emma and Joseph Smith Jr. when Brigham Young grabbed the reins after the "Saints" (as they call themselves) fled Nauvoo."

This church has had the name "Community of Christ" since April, 2001.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 02:51 PM

To quote: "Why do the Mormon Temples have freemasons symbols on their silk baptism trunks????"

I never both with people who pepper their correspondence with repeated question marks or exclamation points. Such marks look SO juvenile.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: darkriver
Date: 16 Jul 04 - 04:40 PM

Let's not forget W.A.S.T.E. either.
The biggest, the baddest....

Doug

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 03:43 PM

Crazy li'l woman -- I didn't know that. Thank you! Last I knew, they owned the Temple at Kirtland, OH.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 03:50 PM

Nothing to do with Gnomes BC. Stop putting these ugly rumours about;-)

I think evrything is run by the people that run everything...

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 10:32 PM

I've just read the first 118 pages of "Deception Point" and I retract everything I said earlier in support of Dan Brown.

It's a crappy book.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 17 Jul 04 - 10:33 PM

So far.

Still reading.

(Sigh)

John

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: C-flat
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 02:47 PM

I'm in the middle of the same book myself.
I really enjoyed the "Davinci Code" and "Angels and Demons" but I find myself skipping through this one without being properly engaged in it.
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 05:12 PM

It should be 'whom'.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 08:33 PM

C flat -

I loved "Angels & Demons" and "Digital Fortress" is just as good, but this one seems to use the same formula without enough substance to justify it.
Still reading, but only just.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 08:39 PM

For you Da Vinci cryptographers -- the book is a novel. Fiction. Untruth. Made up. A lie written for profit.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: C-flat
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 03:22 AM

Most fictional books are written for profit. What I like (usually) about Dan Brown is the way he works in a lot of factual information around his story to give it more credibility. He certainly does his research.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 12:36 PM

My opinion is, it's the morons who are in the ascendancy at the moment. In Washington, I mean.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 12:45 PM

DtG,

Of course you're going to deny that.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 12:57 PM

Last I heard Jackie Mason was not in charge of the Osmond family.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 08:56 PM

Rapaire -

You say that with such conviction.
Certainty of that calibre always makes me uneasy.

Is it so unbelievable that a handful of the obscenely wealthy might club together in order to further their own aims covertly?

That's all it would need.
Oh, and for most of us to dismiss such notions as impossible fantasy.
It would need that too.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,John O'Lennaine
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 09:03 PM

Sorry.
8.56 pm was me.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:03 PM

Ah the DaVinci Code. What a winner he had with that one.   

I must admit ---without giving away the twist ending---I did like his interpretation of symbols---from the crucifix, the even sided (Swiss/Templar) cross and the star of David.   Loved the symbolism he created there---or as the Ronnie Gilbert/Holly Near song says---and I love it---There is Something About The Women.


Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Rapparee
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 10:13 PM

What I find unbelievable is that humans beings could keep secrets like that needed for hundreds of years, not that some might club together for power.

Not even the Catholic Church has been able to do that, and it's had a pretty long run.

It's just not human nature, and the Second Law of Thermodynamics holds for human institutions are well as in physics.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,Pakise
Date: 21 Jul 04 - 01:12 AM

Re "There is also the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, which was founded by Emma and Joseph Smith Jr. when Brigham Young grabbed the reins after the "Saints" (as they call themselves) fled Nauvoo."
FYI-
The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints came into being in the 1850s. The "Reorganization" believed that Joseph Smith Jr. had designated his eldest son, Joseph III, to be his successor as president of the church. The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was organized on April 6, 1860, at Amboy, Illinois, under the leadership of Joseph Smith III.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Jul 04 - 11:52 AM

Sorry about the confusion; there's enough without me added to it.

From an article on Emma Hale Smith:

"The suspension of the Relief Society in 1844, only two years after its organization, was later attributed by John Taylor to Emma's opposition to plural marriage or polygyny (more commonly, polygamy) and concern over her use of the society to preach against it ("Minutes of the General Meeting," [of the Retrenchment Association], July 17, 1880, reported in the Woman's Exponent 9 [Sept. 1, 1880]:53-54). The practice had been privately disclosed as a Church principle in 1840, and Emma's ambivalence enabled her husband to act on her brief acceptance of the doctrine long enough to take additional wives. But her rejection of the principle soon became paramount. Loyal to her husband for seventeen years through all the vicissitudes that his mission had entailed, Emma Smith was unable, at the end, to make the sacrifice that the doctrine of plural marriage required. She struggled between her faith in her husband's prophetic role and her aversion to a principle that he, as Prophet, had been instructed to institute.

After Joseph's martyrdom in June 1844, Emma unfortunately became a symbol of the dissension within the Church. Unable to condone continuation of the practice of plural marriage or the leadership of Brigham Young, who supported it, and ambivalent about the proper line of succession to her husband, Emma made her first priority after her husband's death the preservation of an inheritance for her five living children. Distinguishing Joseph's personal property from that of the Church defied easy solution, however, and involved Brigham Young and Emma Smith in a series of complex and often bitter legal entanglements. Brigham Young, as president of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and steward of the Church, claimed all that he felt rightfully belonged to its members. Emma Smith, as guardian of Joseph's children, just as vigorously claimed their share, to which she had contributed throughout her marriage to Joseph. Unable to reach an amicable solution and unwilling to accept plural marriage even in principle, Emma elected to remain in Nauvoo with her family while Brigham Young led the majority of Church members to the Rocky Mountains in 1846. On December 23, 1847, Emma Smith married Lewis Bidamon, a non-Mormon, further estranging her from the Church, to which she had once been known as the Elect Lady. Bidamon assisted Emma in raising her five children and remained her companion until her death in 1879 in Nauvoo.

In 1860, Emma's eldest son, Joseph Smith III, after four years of refusal, accepted the invitation to serve as prophet and first president of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It was offered by a group of men who formerly had been members of the Church, many of whom had left to follow James J. Strang for a time. As a group they chose not to go west with the body of the Church. Emma, who had heretofore rejected connection with any of the splinter Mormon groups, was admitted into membership in 1860. In his acceptance speech, Joseph III firmly rejected polygamy as a practice of the new church, and Emma denied that her husband had participated in the practice."

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,The Insider
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 04:49 PM

The Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints, or LDS, is a quasi-Masonic secret society. LDS shares its roots, and hence certain characteristics, with many secret societies, including the Knights Templar, the Freemasons, and the Illuminati.

Like the mythical hydra, many secret societies are in fact different heads of the same Beast.

"And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads." (Revelations 13:1).

Vigliantabus.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,The Insider
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 04:58 PM

The Beast is an allegory for those with eyes to see, and ears to hear.

"If thou understandeth this, thou knowest enough."

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 06:47 PM

Oh, it's certainly an allegory all right. It probably refers to an alliance of nations and national leaders. The only question is: which alliance and when? There have been many theories about that over the last 2,000 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Pogo
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 08:00 PM

*coughs gently*

Perhaps...yawl should just ask a Mormon instead of going on assumptions, rumors and " well I've heard..."?

BTW I must confess we have lizard overlords living in the vaults underneath the Temple as well. My lizard-master's name is Zortarf and he's always taken very good care of me I must say as long as I cook his shoo-fly pie just right.

And just for the record Mormons and Masons are two different things by the way...that I am quite certain of but you know...I'm just LDS I don't know that I'd make a good authority on the subject of Mormons.

;O) Any other questions my dears?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,buddy "mormon"
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 10:53 PM

the so called mormons and freemasons do have quite a bit in common.
the only difernce between the two is that the fremasons have their traditions which have been handed down for generations up even until solomans temple. now the mormons have revelation. that is "communication" we could say like the prophets of old. just in our days.
so the freemasons almost had it right.
the mormons... well they got it perfect. helps when god himself is helping right?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,franko
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:48 AM

The first five presidents of the morman church were freemaons. this does include joseph smith. (master mason 1842)

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:33 PM

I read Digital Fortress a few years ago. Aside from a rather shaggy dog plot, Mr. Brown after whatever great research chose to change the laws of physics as a plot device. Nice going.

I did not read Da Vinci Code so much as listen to a books on tape version of it while I was driving across the country in late '04 and camping in campgrounds left empty by the cold. It was a nice diversion, but a crappy book. Also a shaggy dog's tale ;-).

I do own a "Da Vinci Cod" T-Shirt by Alaskan artist Ray Troll. It rocks.

I don't know much about 'masons and mormons but I own a Congress Of Wonders album featuring The Stoned Ranger where he saves a wagon train of folks of the Mammon Sect led by Gettum Young.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 03:51 PM

So far as we know, no American president has ever been a leprechaun.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,Seamus Beag O' Wunshoe
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:05 PM

Ah, but one day, me boyo, one day...

T'be shure, t'be shure, t'be shure.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:25 PM

I think that Reagan had certain leprechaunish qualities, not to say that he was one. He was too tall to be a leprechaun.

Well, I think it's time to let the cat out of the bag and come clean.

Ahem!









I run both the Freemasons AND the Mormons. Yes I do. The reason you have not heard about it before was that it was a matter of top, TOP security, as you can imagine.

However, I am now revealing all. I am the Big Cheese, the Head Honcho, the Man In Charge.

But all that is about to end. Why? Because I'm bored with the whole thing, frankly. What is it good for having Ultimate Power, if I still can't get a date with Winona Ryder?

Ultmate power is a crock, believe me. It's just not worth the trouble.

Accordingly, I am about to hand in my resignation and hand over the job to someone else. Interested parties should come to Salt Lake City on August 15th. Bring your photo I.D., your resume, and a small graven image of either Jesus, Elvis, or William Shatner.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:33 PM

But when are you going to step down as President of the Wm. Shatner Fan Club?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:35 PM

There are some things that are just too precious to ever give up. Only death will remove me from that position.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:36 PM

Because, frankly, who care about that other religious quasi-political esoteric stuff you get up to?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: 3refs
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:38 PM

Little Hawke
Yes, you've let the cat out of the bag!
When the rain started pouring during Gordon Lightfoot's performance at the Mariposa Folk Fest there was one guy who seemed to be impervious to the rain. I just knew it was you!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Peace
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:43 PM

To throw away the research of people like Michael Baigent, Henry Lincoln and Richard Leigh is foolish. History should have to account for the 'facts' of what happened. Of course, as so many people have alluded to or stated, history is also open to various interpretations.

I spent over ten years of my life (at three or four hours a day) doing secondary research--that is, researching the words and work of the people who themselves had done both primary and secondary research--and the conclusion I arrived at is that most of us don't know what the hell we're talking about when it comes to Masons, Christ, Merovingians, etc. It is clear to me that the Catholic Church has played an important role in various obfuscations to do with the life and death of he who is called Christ. The selections of literature, art, archaeological evidence to support certain positions which by themselves support dogmas is key to the real story, but how it is key may never be understood because the Church controls most of the evidence.

I have lost the need to argue because I've found most people who engage in the argument do so not because they want truth but rather because they want argument to keep or firm up their presently-held beliefs.

That there were many Presidents who were Masons is fact. The degree to which their Masonic beliefs influenced decisions as Chief Executives is the rub.

I noticed that someone above mentioned the Illuminati in a way that suggested they are a non-existent organization and if you think they are real you are some sort of tinfoil hat kinda guy. Well, they DO exist. The term New World Order has been used for over one hundred years, or at least so says the research of Harvard University professor. A few Presidents have mentioned 'a power so pervasive that even the naming of it is not a good idea'. Eisenhower was kind enough to warn of the military/industrial complex in his farewell speech to the American people (and the rest of the world).

The Priory of Sion exists. It is real.

Evil walks this planet. It is real.

I see so many smart and clever, intelligent and bright people who fall into the trap of thinking it's all bullshit. So, to them I leave the following thought. It is generally accepted that humans use 10% of their brain. What the hell is the other 90% of the brain doing? Indeed there are more things in heaven and earth . . . .

As to the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS), they are little different than any other Church. Look at the two-fold function of religion and the way it works regardless of which religion or where in the world: it provides for its members a method of gaining, keeping and maintaining belief. It also provides a mechanism for social control. They are no better or worse than any other group.

Now I will go. Have a good day all.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:46 PM

If they ever did free mason, do you think he'd ever top "Classical Gas"? ...or was that his pinnacle, free or not?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:47 PM

So right, 3refs. My powers are extraordinary. I not only was there listening to Mr. Lightfoot, but I was also several miles away at Casino Rama, listening to Bob Dylan...at the very same moment.

Cluin - You can't be serious! I thought a lot of people hung on my every word when it came to that esoteric stuff.

Well, damn...

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:56 PM

LH, they just told Overkill Bill about your vow and got his reaction

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 04:58 PM

Just what I would have expected.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: 3refs
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:13 PM

If an Electron Can Be in Two Places at Once, Why Can't You?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:15 PM

Excellent point.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Peace
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:15 PM

There's only one electron.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:17 PM

Yes, but it's in two places at once...

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Peace
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:18 PM

There's the rub. It seems to be, but it's in only one place at a time.

And the key is time.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:26 PM

So...maybe I was flickering back and forth between the Dylan concert and the Lightfoot concert like a strobe light?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:28 PM

It was like that old TV show -- "Fractured Flickers".

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:34 PM

Or "The Patty Duke Show".

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Peace
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:36 PM

Annette Funicello

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:41 PM

Try taking a look at Tells of the Illuminati/Mormons/Presidents etc
Enjoy....also take a look at the videos/CDs of Barry Smith who used to be a travelling evangelist.....what he didn't know about those things aint worth knowing.
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:45 PM

That's what your eyes were doing, right Peace?

left, right, left, right...

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Peace
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:48 PM

Yeah. She was the heart throb (well, not only the heart) of tens of thousands of guys who were 8 years old when she was on TV. Those magazines that showed women in three parts were as nothing compared to Annette. Trust me. She was IT.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:55 PM

I have always considered myself as one of the most illuminated of the Illuminati. All it takes is a plentiful supply of single malt.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Peace
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:58 PM

And a punster of note you are, good sir.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 06:05 PM

Sailors = The Illumiknotty.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Peace
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 06:06 PM

John, you have NO mercy.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 06:33 PM

I'm surprised no-one here has noted that Freemasons, the llluminati, the guys from Bohemian Grove and the purple lizards were responsible for 9/11.
On the subject of conspiracy theories, mass marketing and the gullible, I thought the IP action between Dan Browne and the authors of The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail was a hoot - neither side not wanting to admit that it was actually responsible for a work of complete fiction, yet sparring with each other over rights to intellectual property. Much like two bald men fighting over a comb!

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 06:40 PM

The Quilter's Guild runs everything.

All those old ladies have computers, fax machines and Blackberries.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: John Hardly
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 06:55 PM

wouldn't blackberries run the risk of staining their quilts?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Cluin
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 07:59 PM

I'm tellin' ya...

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:06 PM

Scary, man. Really scary.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:36 AM

My wife is a quilter. Believe Cluin. Believe, for it is The Truth. And there is NOTHING that can be done, for they are EVERYWHERE.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: 3refs
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 01:01 PM

"There's the rub. It seems to be, but it's in only one place at a time.

And the key is time."

Not true! Not true! Not true!

One electron. Two places. Simultaneously.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,Non Fallor
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 01:08 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Peace
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 03:12 PM

"One electron. Two places. Simultaneously."

Hence, time!

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,Bardan
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:36 PM

Personally I'd be much more worried about the big lobby groups (guns, oil, pharmaceutical etc) than free masons. At least the masons are meant to have some kind of moral code other than profit maximisation.    Personally I can see how these secret societies would help people to get on in life because they meet a lot of like-minded people and get to know each other, offer each other jobs etc but the same could be said of most golf clubs couldn't it? I mean anywhere people meet up you're going to end up doing some networking even if its subconscious.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,Bardan
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:39 PM

Of course the buy one get one free masons are an even more powerful group having single handedly built the original bargain basement. Wow, imagine if the illuminati changed their name to the free electricians, it'd make sense but it just wouldn't have the same ring to it would it?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:56 PM

they meet a lot of like-minded people and get to know each other, offer each other jobs etc but the same could be said of most golf clubs couldn't it?

Hmmmm....sounds like Congress!

In all of my life I have never met a Mormon who was also a Mason. As I was growing up and connected with Masons through Job's Daughters, the two, Mormons and Masons, were anathema to one another.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 03:22 AM

The Illuminati are everywhere, all-knowing, all-powerful, and they chose Bush??

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 05:38 AM

sometimies just running s hot tap water around the lid will set free mason jars.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 06:34 AM

All Hail The Great Spaghetti Monster!

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: John Hardly
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 06:37 AM

Are they fabricated from Illuminatium?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 07:02 AM

The Flying Spaghetti Monster (also known as the Spaghedeity) is the deity of a parody religion called The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The religion was founded in 2005 by Oregon State University physics graduate Bobby Henderson to protest against the decision by the Kansas State Board of Education to require the teaching of intelligent design as an alternative to biological evolution. In an open letter sent to the education board, Henderson professes belief in a supernatural Creator called the Flying Spaghetti Monster which resembles spaghetti and meatballs. He furthermore calls for the "Pastafarian" (a portmanteau of pasta and Rastafarian) theory of creation to be taught in science classrooms.

This man NEEDS your help.... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: 3refs
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 03:12 PM

Quantum Physics!

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 04:37 PM

The Great Pumpkin's Coming will be soon! Prepare!

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,more mon
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 01:28 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitoba_Legislative_Building

The Masons run Manitoba, it seems. Look at the architecture of the Legislative building.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST,more mon
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 01:30 PM

A very popular book was published in 2007 entitled The Hermetic Code, by Frank Albo[8], which uncovers a lot of the Masonic and classical history incorporated into the building.

From the same link, bottom of the page.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 02:00 PM

(There is a nice fiddle tune that we play, called 'Manitoba Golden Boy'.)

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: rehab11
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 03:26 PM

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH RELIGION LET IT BE LET IT BE BUT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR A LONG TIME. WHEN THE BOYS GOT TOGETHER TO PUT THE $$$ UP FOR A BOOK CALLED THE BIBLE   DO YOU THINK JUST MAYBE THEY THOUGHT WELL AND HARD ABOUT WHAT TO KEEP IN WHAT TO KEEP OUT GEE MAYBE THEY WERE ALOT LIKE BUSH AND CHAINY.....MAYBE BELIEF IN       RECARNATION WOULD MAKE PEOPLE THINK TWICE BEFORE DOING TO OTHERS    IF THEY THOUGHT THEY MAY HAVE TO GO THRU WHAT THEY PUT OTHERS THRU WHAT DOES MY FATHER HAS MANY MANISONS MEAN. MANSIONS DOES THAT MEAN OTHER TANGIBLE WORLDS,OR HUMANS/NONHUMANS LIVING ON ANOTHER LEVEL OF CONCIOUSNESS   GOD FORBID ALITTLE MORE ADVANCED   IS THERE 7 LEVELS OF CONCIOUSNESS ON THIS PLANE ARE SOMEPEOPLE WORKING WITH MORE THAN 10% DOWN HERE RIGHT NOW OH MAYBE THE HARMONIC CONVERSION ON AUG 17 1987 DID DO SOMETHING MAYBE ENERGIES ARE CHANGING BUT I BET IF YOU TOLD SOMEONE THAT...TANTRIC EXPERIENCES ARE BLISSFUL ENERGIES ARE OF KUNDLINI STYLE MAYBE THERE IS MORE TO SEX THAT JUST sex THEY WOULD TAKE THE POSITON THAT IT WAS A LIE....BUT STING SAID HE GOES FOR HOURS AND HOURS   PEOPLE DO NOT DO FOR NO CHEESE LIKE THE RAT IN THE MASS CREATIVE PEOPLE IN HOLLYWOOD MOVIES PUT OUT MATRIX , THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, YODA IN STAR WARS   I SAY MAY THE FORCE BE WITH US    MAY WE KICK THE LADDER OF THINKING THAT GOT US HERE LETS PRAY FOR DIVINE INTELLIGENCE THINK MORE GURDJIEFF SAID MAN ONLY THINKS 5 MINS A YEAR THAT WE ARE LIKE MACHINES 1900 NOW WOULD SAY ROBOTS MAY THIS MACHINE HELPS US OUT.    BIBLE OUT OF WATER WAS THAT LIKE WATER CARL JUNG MEANT   COLLECTIVE CONCIOUSNESS   HMM SHIFT ON AUG 17 I HOPE, I AM TRYING TO GET TO %11 ALL MY LIFE. BOB DYLAN WAS STUDING THE ART OF LOVE I WAS STUDING SOMETHING ELSE. LIKE GIRL ON CBC FUNNY SHOW I AM JUST FOOLING AROUND, LIKE THE FOOL IN TAROT I GUESS SOME SAY LOVE IS LIKE A ROSE JEFFERSON STARSHIP SANG IF ONLY BELIEVED IN MIRACLES LIKE THEY DO.   THEY SAY SMART MANS SEES DIFFERENCE WISE MAN SEES SIMILIARITIES.
DEEDEE

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 03:41 PM

DeeDee, why the caps? When you do this, you just look like some poor soul crying out for attention. Do all our eyes a favor and quit using all caps.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: rehab11
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 08:02 PM

Sorry deQuervain's tendinitis was talking on line with friends then got on the mud it will not happen again.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 08:10 PM

Ebbie, does it sound like "The Manitoban's Apron"?

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 10:48 PM

lol No, Cluin, that one talks about bricks.

Subject: RE: BS: Freemasons/mormons,who runs who?
From: Ebbie
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 11:33 PM

Or was that Ricardo?