BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?

Subject: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 05:26 PM

Will she run ? And do you think she has a chance to win ?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Cats
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 05:29 PM

As long as she doesn't put back the cause of Women in Politics 50 years like a certain M Thatcher did here. My grandmother , who was a suffragette and spent time in prison for it, was spinning in her grave!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Once Famous
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 05:37 PM

Sure, why not?

Of course she looked the other way when her husband was using a cigar to play with Monica's snatch.

what else will she look away at?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: SINSULL
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 05:46 PM

Looked away? My feminine instincts tell me she was in full support possibly even promoted his wanderings. Their business...but her "wounded wife" routine made me physically ill. That and her half-assed health reform package. She won't get my vote.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Once Famous
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 05:52 PM

Why would you think she would promote that Sinsull. I do have femine side of me, but alas, no femine instincts.

Do you think she is bad in bed and knows it?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 05:58 PM

Martin - That's spelled "feminine".

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: skipy
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 06:05 PM

Thatcher, the true path!
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: bbc
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 06:10 PM

If she does, God help us all!

bbc

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST,Sleepless Dad
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 06:58 PM

My guess is that - yes - she'll run. And I think she has the best chance to win of any of the women politicians out there. Whether she can beat the men in the field is another question alltogether.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: mg
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:00 PM

I think she was part of the plan to defeat Kerry. I think she is sinister and I hope to heavens she does not run. Maria Cantwell, yes. Condaleeza Rice, yes. Other women, yes. Do not rule out Maria Shriver and her husband who can not run. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:04 PM

Actually, I think she'd probably make a good president.

On the other hand, I doubt strenuously that we'll ever know. She is freighted down with way too much ill will to be nominated, much less elected. Now, conceivably as vice-president, but I doubt it.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:05 PM

"part of the plan to defeat Kerry"

Was that the right wing conspiracy Hillary talked about ?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:13 PM

Hillary is a very smart lady. She did not want to run now, because it is always difficult to defeat an incumbent President during war time. She bet on Kerry losing now so she could run in 2008. She is now the most popular figure in the Democratic Party. I predict that she will run and win in 2008. Her running mate will probably be Dick Gephart. The GOP on the other hand will run Jeb Bush (Governor of Florida), who will attempt to extend the family dynasty another 8 years, with Rudy Guiliani as his running mate. SOL ZELLER

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:18 PM

Rudy does not have a prayer. The mafia rumors will start floating. Middle America won't stand for it.

I would hope Hillary runs, but it is obviously too early to figure out what the climate will be in 2008.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Cllr
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:18 PM

cats MT did not pur back politics for women back I will debate it with over a large drink next time I see you Cllr (thatcherite revolutionary)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:42 PM

Hilary, Gephardt, Daschle, Kerry, Edwards, Lieberman, Gore--all represent the Dem Leadership Council that has seriously lost the Democrats power BIG TIME. The party is now in free floating anxiety, having lost both long time leaders of the House and Senate in the past year.

That group of conservative Dems holds no political credibility anymore in the party. I really can't see anyone from that group waging a successful campaign in 2008. The party is desperate for a thousand Obamas.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 07:50 PM

I would love to see Hillary run. It would guarantee an additional 4 more years of GOP rule.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 08:09 PM

Damn---sounds like the dead are not buried and we are speaking of the the will already.

I happen to like Hillary and think she could make a great ---how about this--Pres. not a decorative 1st lady.    But, sadly, she is too divisive in the nation's perception of her.

Frankly, Kerry should have another run---he would win hands down. And Hillary for a running mate---ideal, but problematical.

That said---why are we rushing time so much===there are 4 long years of banality to live through---if we do.

As to dear Rudy---spare the world of his egomania and lack of a world view. The former hounding DA had a really bad reputation in this area until he grandstanded after the 9/11 tragedy. I add to that list the egomaniacal Ed Koch (how am I doin'---great for your ego as always) Grandstanding.   I might add that the Republicans used it in this election---and it never got them one state in the area that is most prone to attack---only in those that listen to the "cowboy's" one liners. But, the Dakotas are safe now.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 08:22 PM

Hard to say, but there's a lot you can speculate about, that's for sure. I think it would be extremely hard to get the American population to vote in a female president, besides which, Hillary is too unpopular already with a very significant segment of the US public. Political parties tend to pick people who are as uncontroversial as possible to present as candidates (unless, of course, they are incumbents...in which case they ARE controversial by definition). They do this in their craven search for votes and are always looking for a candidate that no one could possibly dislike. It's an impossible concept to satisfy, given the vicious nature of partisan politics, but it does often result in the nomination of remarkably colorless and uninspiring candidates whom people only vote for because they bitterly hate the incumbent.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST,Ragnar
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 09:17 PM

I agree, Hillary is the best candidate for '08
R

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:02 PM

Obama is a good man. He is the man of the future; the next decade that is. Hillary however is the choice for 2008. SOL ZELLER

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Nov 04 - 10:15 PM

Well, it would be something to see the expression on Republicans' faces if she ever got elected...! :-) And I suppose she could IF Bush completely destroyed his own party's reputation in the next 4 years. I think he may very well do that. In that case, Hillary could cruise to a victory in 2008. I don't trust her as far as I could throw a refrigerator.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:32 AM

Nope. Russ Feingold, just re-elected in Wisconsin by a landslide, and the only US Senator to vote against the Patriot Act. He's the party's man for 2008. New blood. A backbone. Works well with others (McCain Feingold campaign finance reform--hell, at least they TRIED to clean up some graft) the other side of the aisle...

And Very Handsome. Not of the Northeast Liberal stock, but is a not-quite Debs sort of Dem. He could put a Western/Southen state politician like Bill Richardson of New Mexico on the ticket, and the Dems could in like flint in 2008. Richardson was ambassador to the UN, former House Rep from NM, former Cabinet secretary for energy, has a lot of solid experience--including being nominated for the Nobel, though I don't know what for, and he was a Clintonian, so it would keep that wing of the party under lock and key where they belong. Feingold or Tom Harkin of Iowa. Either one of them, from the Democratic wing of the party, would bring the left back into the equation.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Peace
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:40 AM

I have a great mistrust of everyone who has political ambitions. Everyone!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:42 AM

That's intersesting about feingold. I'll have to take a closer look at him. I like the idea of Richardson.

I'd love to see Hilary run and win, but I don't think the way the country is right now, that she'd get elected.

Sol...I TOTALLY agree with you on Obama. I WISH he'd be ready by 2008, who knows? That young man is exciting!!

We have a lot of work to do before 2008 to make sure this kind of bs which happened this time doesn't stand a chance in hell next time.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:12 AM

Jeeeeeeeezus Christ! Get a life you sad lot!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Alice
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:24 AM

Spare us from Hillary. Even Democrats didn't like her as the first lady, she would never get through primaries as a presidential candidate.
Give us John Edwards in '08.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:32 AM

Give us an effin' break in 2004 :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 09:35 AM

Hillary Clinton has been firmly predicted as candidate for the 2004 election in Mudcat by troll in 2000. But troll was never good in predictions.

I'll refresh this thread in 2008.

By the way, it has been fun to read some post-election threads from 2000. Many names have been mentioned (Gore in four, to name but one), but Kerry was not among them. What does that tell us about the relevance of this thread?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:11 AM

Who cares? You may be confusing me with someone who gives a fuck! Not only that whoever it may be, and I think you deserve Arnie for Prez, they will refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:17 AM

Arnie's not eligible. Sorry.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:20 AM

no...she would never be nominated, and if nominated, never elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:33 AM

Not eligible now Uncle DaveO, but I'll have a 5 dollar bet with you that the law will be changed by then.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 10:52 AM

Wolfgang, the relevance to me of this thread is how little the people who supported Kerry actually know about other potential Democratic party candidates. The only folks they can usually name, are the ones whose names have most recently been in the press. So it shows how short the American attention span is, doesn't it? ;-)

Really, folks have to start thinking outside the box. I would support another run by Bill Bradley too, although another Northeastern liberal won't fly for 2008. This power vacuum for the Democratic party is really A Very Good Thing only if it results in the current leadership being thrown out on their ears--the Democratic Leadership Council, and the party leadership, beginning with McAuliffe. Both groups have been the leadership that has overseen the Democrats being very decisively swept out of power. They, and the Clintons along with them, have to go. They've destroyed the Democratic party.

But I think the Democratic party has to be reformed at the grassroots level too. I can tell you the main reason why I won't rejoin the MN DFL anytime soon: local control of the party has been in the hands of local corporations, and we have a lot of them, including Fortune 500s, here in our state. The local Dems have become as overly cautious and conservative as their national leadership has in most cases. And they, of course, control the pursestrings, and decide who they will "endorse" at the state level and give funding support to. We keep being admonished to run for offices ourselves, but I know of virtually no one willing to risk personal bankruptcy, etc. to run for public office. You usually can't be employed when you are running a campaign...so, where does your financial support come from to get into the political game?

Answer: only the well off can afford to be involved in politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 11:01 AM

Hillary is the democratic front runner for 2008.   I don't see how she will do any different from Kerry on the electoral map.   The only democrats to win the presidency in the past 20 years were from the south.    (Carter and Clinton)   The south is now solidly republican. (4 more senate seats won in the south)   How is Hillary going to get southern votes?   Or midwestern/southwestern votes? I see her with the Northeast and West Coast.   That won't win the election.    I am not sure Hillary will play in Minnesota or Wisconsin either.   Ther isn't a southern democrat to run as a VP that will change that- note success of Edwards in south.

If see Jeb and Rudy as the front runners for republicans.   I think Rudy can beat Hillary in NY and NJ.   He is god like there.   That alone would make Rudy attractive.   Democrats can't win without carrying NY.

PS: dont' count out 2006 senate race.   Democrats have 18 seats to defend- republicans only 15.   Possible retirements for Byrd, Kennedy, Feinstein and Liebeman?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: MarkS
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 11:47 AM

Goik

It's more that a law change - to get Arnold eligible would require a constitutional amendment. Can't see that happening in less than 4 years.

Although - with the repubs in control of both house and senate, they could pass the enabling legislation to send an amendment proposal to the states. And with all those red states, local sentiment may treat it favorably.

Who knows = we won't just defeat our enemies, we'll terminate them!

Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:32 PM

Please, please, please, please ple-e-e-e-e-e-e-ase, somebody tell me we're not going to have four sodding years of this crap! You've just had your nauseating show-biz party masquerading as an election, now think about something else for a while for gawd's sake. Sport, music, sex with your neighbour, snail-breeding, watching paint dry, nose-picking, anything but another election. Talk about one-track minds! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Nerd
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:55 PM

I'd support Feingold/Richardson in 08. I think Bradley just won't run.   

I'm not sure Rudy would win in NY, by the way. The marist Poll done a month ago suggests that 47% of New York voters think he should run, but that doesn't translate into votes, and it especially won't translate into votes in 2008. Black people don't much like him, nor does the left, nor do latinos, etc.

In the rest of the country, Rudy would play even worse. His first marriage was to his second cousin, and was annulled because it was incestuous according to his own religion (you need a special dispensation to marry a relative that close, and he did not get one). Then he had a tumultuous second marriage. He had a very public relationship with (current wife) Judith Nathan while he was still married to Donna Hanover, and he is known to have far more of a temper than, say, Howard Dean. So as a Presidential candidate he would not attract the kind of Christian coalition voters who can be relied upon to vote for Jeb.

Time magazine described Rudy's reputation prior to 9/11:

After two terms, his place in history seemed secure: great mayor, not-so-great guy. The first Republican to run the town in a generation, he had restored New York's spirit, cutting crime by two-thirds, moving 691,000 people off the welfare rolls, boosting property values and incomes in neighborhoods rich and poor, redeveloping great swaths of the city. But great swaths of the city were sick of him. People were tired of his Vesuvian temper and constant battles--against his political enemies, against some of his own appointees, against the media and city-funded museums, against black leaders and street vendors and jaywalkers and finally even against his own wife. His marriage to television personality Donna Hanover was a war: ugly headlines, dueling press conferences. Giuliani's girlfriend, a pharmaceutical-sales manager named Judith Nathan, had helped him get through a battle against prostate cancer, and his struggle touched off a wave of concern and appreciation for him. But most New Yorkers seemed ready for Rudy and Judi to leave the stage together and melt into the crowd.

I'm impatient for the Obama administration!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Nerd
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 12:57 PM

Can it, Strollin' Johnny. Obviously if you read this thread you will think the people on it are only talking about this topic. We have full lives when we're not on Mudcat, believe me. And if political prating bothers you, why, oh why are you bothering to read this thread? YOU are the one who needs to get a life if you have nothing better to do than lurk on threads you find boring!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:16 PM

I hope not.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:18 PM

Jeez, I guess I'm really surprised that the Democrat leaning Mudcatters seem so insecure at the idea of a midwest/west ticket at the top!

A little too entrenched in the Democratic party's Northeast liberal establishment mindset the boob tube keeps beaming at you?

Maybe it's time to cancel your subscriptions to The Nation, and start reading High Country News. If you still need the east coast viewpoint, I'd suggest Earth Island Journal too.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:39 PM

Strolling Johnny, you poor lad, you obviously do not grasp the simple truth that life begins and ends with the Democratic and Republican parties and that great "renewal of democracy" that pits them mindlessly and viciously against each other every four years in a superbowl extravaganza that is the Mother of All Elections, punctuated by a halftime playoff 2 years in between for Congress. If you had been born in the USA and indocrinated from toddlerhood in the incomparable truths enshrined in such prestigious documents as the Declaration of Dependence and the Constitution of the U-B-knighted States of Fecking America...if you had been lined up at 8 AM every weekday from the age of 6 to put your hand on your trembling heart and recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the Fecking Flag of the aforementioned U-B-knighted etc...THEN maybe you would get it.

Count your blessings, mate.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Wesley S
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 01:59 PM

Well - Little Hawk - If that's your view of America what are YOU doing in this thread ? My goodness - having a bad day ?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Nerd
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 02:15 PM

Uh, GUEST, the only person to comment on your suggestion of a midwest/southwest ticket (Feingold/Richardson) was me, and I supported it. Where do you see all this supposed resistance to it? Also, your other suggestion was Bill Bradley, a classic Northeastern Liberal type.   

I agree, by the way, that Northeastern liberals aren't such a good idea, since the Northeast will likely vote for the Dem anyway. A western, midwestern or southern candidate is almost always preferable, since he may be able to win his own state and neighboring states. Traditionally, the Dems have focused on the South, but already in this cycle people were saying the Dems should concede the south and try for the southwest... hence, Kerry's early overtures to McCain for a cross-party ticket, and all the buzz about Richardson for VP before Edwards was selected.

Richardson is also a good choice because he is Latino, and that will be a more powerful community in 2008, and more powerful still in the years to follow. He has had a wide range of domestic experience (as a congressman and governor) and foreign policy experience (as ambassador to the UN), and specific expertise in Energy (where he had a cabinet post under Clinton). He has been in an extremely stable, 30 year marriage, which means a lot to some voters.

The only minus to Bill R for Prez is he doesn't have the good looks or the personal magnetism. People like Martin Gibson will find some unflattering pop culture comparison (Fred Flintstone?) and beat us over the head with it for a year!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 02:19 PM

Wesley - Oh, I'm here because it amuses and interests me. I'm a Canadian. What the USA does is of great concern to us, I can assure you.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 02:21 PM

I'd take Hill over George... haha!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 03:43 PM

Bill Richardson would be an outstanding choice for the Democrats. (I am being serious- no sarcasm intended)   I think he would give the demoncrats a good chance of carrying the southwest which could tip the election.

He is fairly solid-liberal but not too radical.   Negatives are looks, charisma, and a small state that no one cares about.   Would democrats select an Hispanic?

I had some major disagreements with Richardson on energy policy when he was in charge.    As the energy expert for my company I found a number of mistatements and misleading comments.   On the whole however, I don't find him objectionable.   If a democrat has to win, he is on my short list with Joe Liebeman, Zell Miller, and John Breaux.   I think Richardson would have a far better chance than Hillary which is why I think Hillary will get the bid.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Nerd
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 04:28 PM

Wow, I agree with Larry K! (Just about Bill Richardson, though!)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 06:23 PM

Post on here long enough, and you end up agreeing with everyone about something. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 07:56 PM

I agree with Little Hawk!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:02 PM

Unelectable........

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Nov 04 - 08:17 PM

I agree with Bobert!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 08:26 AM

Nerd - eat my shorts.

LH - I do mate, I do! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Susan A-R
Date: 05 Nov 04 - 09:46 PM

Oh RATS! when will the dems ever learn, a Northeast woman with mone'n a little baggage. I would go for Edwards first, but would rather see someone new, exciting, like Dean, but not from the northeast, then I'd like to see the DNC not try to crucify em cause they are too liberal, then I'd like to see Democrats actually talking with folks about what the religious right is doing to christianity, then I'd like to see 'em talking to folks about jobs and health care with something kinda concrete in mind, but I have my doubts about the dems, which is why I don't say we I vote for 'em in a pinch, but they seem to try to out-republican the rupublicans a lot and I'm left of the republicans by a wee mite, so I'm not too pleased with this.

Please not Hilary, she's a lightning rod, and even if her policies were golden, it wouldn't work, and we need to win folks, we really truly do.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: gnu
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 11:09 AM

Senator Joe Biden thinks so. Just hit the press a few hours ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 11:48 AM

it is funny--she has never said she WANTS to run, but undercurrents of gossip seem to indicate that IF she wants it, she will be hard to beat. I suppose the Republicans are hoping she does get it, as they figger she'd be easy to beat.

I really dunno...I said last year I doubted she'd be electable, and I STILL wonder if that isn't true, but she is smart, has some time in the senate to get more issues sorted out and build her resumé, and she is a very good interview---seldome says anything really dumb, like lots of them do.

I think she could BE a decent president, I just wonder if she could have any chance of getting there. Would I vote for her against whatever the Republicians are likely to offer? Sure, I would.....but I won't hold my breath...3½ years is forever in politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Kim C
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 01:03 PM

She might well run, and if she does, I will seriously consider her views on things. If I agree, I'll vote for her; if I don't, I'll vote for someone else. Pretty simple.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST,marks
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 03:03 PM

Thank you, Kim, for offering a voice of reason.

But, I just have this feeling that the candidates offered by both parties next go around will be people none of us have ever heard of so far.

Remember "Jimmy Who?"

Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: DougR
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 03:31 PM

Not to worry, bbc, I think she will run for the nomination, but doubt she will get it. I think Lieberman would have the best chance of siphoning off Republican votes, but doubt the Party would give him the nomination.

I think John Edwards might be the dark horse in the Democratic race myself.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 03:57 PM

I really wish that Hillary would get nominated and would become president...

not because I think she'd make a good one.

Naw...

I would just enjoy seeing the look on DougR's face when it happened!   :-)

(I have a sadistic sense of humour sometimes, I'm afraid...)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: John Hardly
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 04:22 PM

Evan Bayh would be a guy who could actually win.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST,cautious
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 04:39 PM

Be careful what ypu look for, Little Hawk; if she is elected, Martin Gibson would move to Canada!!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Mar 05 - 04:41 PM

LOL! Well, I have been hoping to meet Martin, actually. I figure his bark is worse than his bite.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST,Auggie
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 12:32 AM

Just once before I die, it would be nice if either of the two parties would nominate someone I could get truly excited about supporting. Last time I felt that way about any (even a prospective) candidate, it was 1968 and things ended rather badly at Los Angeles' Ambassador Hotel.

Since then it seems I have seen signifigantly more energy spent trying to defeat the opposition than to promote any candidate. Maybe it's always been like this and when you are young, you're too naive to notice. So a sign of age perhaps, and nothing more, but I have grown decidedly weary of it all. Regardless of who wins, things only seem to get worse in this country, and we grow more divisive among ourselves.

Just once I'd like to see a candidate who could unite the Red and Blue states, bridge the cultural divide between urban and rural America, find a common ground between the religious right and the freedom from religion people, protect our security without needlessly killing innocents abroad or the brave young people we send over there to wage war in our name.

One who can focus our vision on a common good that will benefit all of us and not antagonize half the world in the process, who will not tax the hell out of the working class to support those who won't work or have squandered their opportunities in life, yet not allow the Enrons and Exxons and Haliburtons of the world to belly up to the trough at the expense of the less fortunate, one who remembers that it is government that exists for the benefit of the people, not the other way around. Someone who understands our health is OUR responsibility, not the government's, but that financing it is not a license for insurance companies and hospitals to commit larceny. Somebody who actually has ideals and values that are not subject to the whim of the latest opinion polls nor to the vagaries of what is politically expedient. Someone who actually lets you see what they stand for rather than trying to be politically amorphous.

Hillary Rodham Clinton? What? Would I like fries with that?
Somehow it's not what I was thinking of ordering, but thanks anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 06:14 AM

If Bubbles the Chimpanzee can be called to testify for a certain M Jackson, complete with Gorilla translator, then why not let him run for office?

After all.... could he be any worse?

If he were in the UK, I think I'd probably vote for him... despite my Labour upbringing and my socialist tendencies, even Maggie Thatcher Milk Snatcher is looking good compared with what we have now!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: John Hardly
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 09:13 AM

Just once I'd like to see a candidate who could unite the Red and Blue states

Evan Bayh won his House seat multiple times and his Senate seat twice with better than 60% vote in a red State.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 09:26 AM

Bubbles the Chimp is already in the White House.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 03:34 PM

but I never HEAR about Evan Bayh...he nees more recognition. John Edwards just 'might' be a possibility..and Joseph Biden of Delaware is seriously considering it....he speaks well, is a thinking man and has experience. The problem is, Biden says Hillary would be hard to beat.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: mg
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 03:46 PM

How about Maria Cantwell? I like her...Hillary scares the daylights out of me. I think we would be sold down the river if it was to her advantage. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: kendall
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 05:07 PM

We could do worse. In fact, we just did.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Once Famous
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 05:51 PM

Hillary vs. Condy Rice

Hair pulling, biting, and both of them in a loin cloth.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: John Hardly
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 05:56 PM

"but I never HEAR about Evan Bayh...he needs more recognition"

Who heard of Howard Dean in 2000?
Who heard of John Edwards in 2000? (besides guys who liked the song "Sunshine")

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 06:40 PM

I'm for that too, Martin. :-) What a brilliant marketing notion with which to sell an election to a jaded and cynical public!

It would be fair, because both parties would face the disadvantage of running a woman in a country that's never had a female chief executive. It would make the Republicans and the Democrats BOTH look "liberated and progressive" at the same time, FOR running a woman. It would give fits to men who can't imagine having a woman president. And it would be a truly UGLY spectacle! What more could one ask for? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 07:55 PM

The thought of another President Clinton made me go the phone tonight and have a long talk with my buddy, Ralph, who assured me he's done carrying the staff and so now I'd like to announce my candidacy for president in '08.

And though I ain't asked I figgured that I'd see if bearded bruce wanted to be my running mate. Yeah, he's a knothead, but with him as VP I wouldn't have to worry about some other knothead shotin' my butt. Plus, I'd know where the boy was at all times, of course unless he pulls a Cheney on me...

And Frank Zappa left me rights to his campaign slogan, "A troubled Man for Troubled Times" in his will so that's gonna be my slogan. Thanks, Frank, you were/are da man...

Candidate Bobert
"A Troubled Man for Troubled Times"

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 08:11 PM

so...Cheney is Bush's insurance policy?...I can see the logic in that.

(remember how VERY close we came to having Spiro Agnew as president, though...you gotta be careful)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 08:18 PM

Not to fear, Bill. I got good reflexes plus if I get real sick 'er somethin' I can send VP-bb off to do some PR work (?) in a housing project in South Richmond...

Ahhhh, like who's next after bb?

Prez-2-Be Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 09:34 PM

Martin Gibson for Secretary of Defence! That would keep both you and the rest of the World on their toes, Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 05 - 10:11 PM

I had Marty penciled in for a new department I was gonna propose, LH. The Department of Juvinile Posts... But, hey, it is a cabinet position so I guess we're gonna have to get used to Martin's flare fir bathroom humor... Awwww, what the heck. What we all nedd is more bathroom humor to get us over the Bush hump... Bush hump? Hmmmmm? Martin? Mr. Secretary? You there?

Nevermind. The boy done fell asleep unner the table... Guess he's been workin' too hard over in Mudville... Now if I could just get that danged Secretary of Spirituality, Little Hawk, workin' half as hard as poor ol' Martin...

(Sigh...)

Prez-to-Be

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST,DaveB
Date: 29 May 05 - 04:20 AM

I hope she runs, I don't know if I could handle another republican moron in office. I mean c'mon lets face it G.W.bush is the biggest idiot we've ever elected president. I blame the bible belt states it seems to me stupid people stick together

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary Clinton for President in 2008 ?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 05 - 07:41 PM

MICHAEL MOORE USED A FICUS TREE SO ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE