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Subject: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Nov 04 - 08:02 PM This is a continuation of an existing thread that was getting a bit long. "My Daughter needs help". A lady called Cindy – Mudcat name sagecw – started it, because someone had suggested that some Mudcatters might be interested in helping with a problem. It's all in the old thread, and also on Cindy's website about it, but I'll summarise it here – "New Readers start here" A longish post, but it's quite complicated: Cindy is an American, living in Pennsylvania, with her daughter Jessica, who was born in the USA. She'd gone out to live in Australia with her husband, Jessica's Dad, Russell, who comes from there – but then it turned out that Jessica has some disabilities, and the Australian immigration authorities decided she couldn't stay there, because that what the Australian immigration rules are like. And the trouble is now Russell isn't being allowed into the States, because a few years ago he was in the States, and overstayed on his visa. Which means Jessica has lost her Dad, just like that, and she can't understand it, and it's liable to have some very serious effects on her ability to cope, and in some ways she's regressing. So Cindy is engaged in a battle with the Immratiin Authorities in The States to get permission for Russell to join them, and she thought a bit of lobbying by Mudcatters might help. And it might too. (And there were some people who had doubts about it all, and even thought the Immigration people might have a point. I suggested that that kind of discussion would be better done in some other thread, leaving this one for people who are open to the idea of seeing if there are ways they can help Cindy and Jessica cope with the situation until the family can be re-united. And that seems a good idea for this continuation thread too – if anybody wante to argue that this is a waste of time or whatever, please do that arguing in some other thread.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 10 Nov 04 - 08:09 PM Sounds a bit likke a band doesn't it? "Jessica and the Bureaucrats" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Shanghaiceltic Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:27 AM Is there no way a special case can be made out of it with the two countries respective Immigration and health departments. Dual mailing of copies of medical docs that relate to Jessica's illness and the effect the separation is having. Plus getting the addresses of the respective department heads and us sending independant appeal letters too. Therefore we would need the addresses for four dept heads, two in Aus and two in the US. The letters should be individually written, not based on a pre decided format as the respective heads then might just treat this as a spamming and ignore it. There are some pretty eloquent people in Mudcat. Surely even an appeal to GW I know it would add to the number of letters needed but it might just get things and departments talking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Peace Date: 11 Nov 04 - 01:35 AM First step is finding the 'catters who are willing to help. This is an issue that is real--away from the typical BS thread stuff, and it involves a fifteen-year old gal who needs help. The mom is at her wit's end, but she won't give up, and neither will the dad. If we're worth half what we think we are, we should help these folks, IMO. Thing is, I admire courage, and this family has that. They need help. It's that simple. Besides, this woman has been going it alone and she ain't quit. I love backing a winner, especially a gutsy one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Kitty Date: 11 Nov 04 - 08:51 PM Don't know if it will help, but I am from Illinois. I wrote Barak Obama, newly elected senator. Will post the results. I checked Joe Pitt's web site. He makes it pretty clear that He doesn't think he can do anything about immigration issues. I guess it is good one knows up front, but that just makes a brick wall... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: GUEST Date: 11 Nov 04 - 09:20 PM So the poor, suffering CHILD thread ran cold? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 11 Nov 04 - 09:39 PM "it turned out jessica has some disabilty, and they won't let her stay there, immigration rules etc" Surely discrimination against the disabled is illegal in civilised countries? has she, [or her freinds/carers etc] contacted any disabled groups? ie disabled charities etc such as Mencap or wahtever its called there etc? could be worth a try. also local MP [member of parliament, or equivalent]. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Peace Date: 11 Nov 04 - 09:40 PM G Go**a*t 6228 EWR L, Calif 9*8**-3**0 5**-42*-14** |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: freda underhill Date: 11 Nov 04 - 09:45 PM I am happy to write letters on Jessica's behalf, once I know who to write to. freda |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Once Famous Date: 11 Nov 04 - 09:55 PM I thought this was about a group like Josie and the Pussycats. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 11 Nov 04 - 10:07 PM DELEATED -
Yes indeedy-doo - There has been another posting to a MAX-Joe-kat blessed-thread that has been deleted....the clones are on troll patrol this morning!!!
Perhaps, a DOT , or an IRS, or INS cross-reference can provide some insight - on this little "problem from down south" trying for "re-unification" to the medical mendicants into the United States of America.
Something is sick here....and it is not me.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Peace Date: 11 Nov 04 - 10:19 PM The word is deleted. Tell me when you want me to fill in the blanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 11 Nov 04 - 10:32 PM DEl Eated, who is Del, and waht did he eat? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: GUEST Date: 11 Nov 04 - 10:38 PM jOhn - you are obviously not from the states.
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 11 Nov 04 - 11:04 PM Mr. John from Hull
To answer on part of the ever elusive riddle:
What did Dela-wear boys,
Sincerely,
Good question John - good question!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 11 Nov 04 - 11:12 PM oh. [johnfrom hull @ kitv.co.uk] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Nov 04 - 11:30 PM Beginning of the old thread. For reference. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: GUEST Date: 11 Nov 04 - 11:34 PM Did you ever tell your students the way you feel about this topic? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Blissfully Ignorant Date: 11 Nov 04 - 11:56 PM Just in cas it might be helpful, here's information on Australian immigration law And American immigration law |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: dianavan Date: 12 Nov 04 - 01:59 AM Basically, most immigration laws are the same in respect to those who need medical care and/or social services. If it can be proved that Jessica will not be a 'burden to the state', an appeal can be made on humanitarian grounds. Presenting a petition is helpful - especially if the people signing know the family, personally or if it is signed by community members. Immigration is used to dealing with these special cases all the time. Ask them what is required to overturn the decision. Go to your local politicians and especially your local newspaper. Go to community, mental health professionals. Ask for help from people who can actually make a difference. Remember, its just a rubber stamp - behind it is the hand of a human being. d |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: GUEST Date: 12 Nov 04 - 08:56 AM Are Australia and the United States the only two countries left in which to live? I can think of a lot of better places to start a life than either of these. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Nov 04 - 11:19 AM Something is sick here....and it is not me. Is there anybody who agrees with him on that last point? Once again, if there are people who feel there is there is something to argue about in respect of all this, please start up another thread, put a link to it in this one, and go off and argue about it there, and go into all the ins and outs and rights and wtongs and paranoid suspicions and bigotry and whatever. I imagine that may be a wasted request in the case of one person, but I don't believe there are many people like that around the Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Nov 04 - 12:14 PM And with a view to being helpful, I've just started up that thread - Immigration and disability, because aside from the griping and the sneering, there are some serious wider issues that could be better explored away from this thread, which should be about helping. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Kitty Date: 12 Nov 04 - 04:09 PM I got a note back from Obama--it was an automated response saying that he will respond to each letter he receives. I imagine he is inundated, so will give him time before a follow up. Just to keep you informed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: sagecw Date: 13 Nov 04 - 06:38 AM kitty....thanks for keeping us up to date...at least you get a *automated response* that is more then I get ..*S*..take care and thanks for everything... cindy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 14 Nov 04 - 12:16 AM This situation has painful overtones to the maiming and blinding and physical disfigurment that parent wrought upon their children (in years past) to be able to gain an extrance near the gate and a higher income for the fully competant adult.
From the "Little Match Girl" "To Alababa" folklore is full of tales with parents using children for personal gain.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: GUEST Date: 14 Nov 04 - 05:06 AM gargoyle, this is a thread for people who want to help. No Cindy has not deliberately damaged her child in order to gain benefit. Comments like yours are ignorant, malicious and slanderous. Parents of children with medical problems usually did not plan for this to happen. and they try their hardest to help their kids. in the opening post of this thread, it was said clearly that this thread is for people who want to help Cindy and Jessica cope with the situation until the family can be re-united. And that if anybody wants to argue that this is a waste of time or whatever, please do that arguing in some other thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: GUEST Date: 14 Nov 04 - 05:11 AM ..And I would also like to make the point, as many people with friends or family members with medical problems or disabilities may know, that a person who is kind and loving is worth much more than a person who is angry or bullying, no matter what the intellectual capacity of either may be. And that many people who are reserved in their communications, may be prompted to be even more reserved when they are exposed to people with violent emotional habits. now, sorry about that, folks, back to Jessica.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Nov 04 - 07:02 AM Here is that alternative thread I suggested, and then set up. One reason being so that stuff that wasn't to do with helping could have a place - though the only place it deserves in the case of one particular post, which I hope won't be with us for too long, is in a shredder. So if anybody has any comments on that post and similar ones, and on the mind of person who could write them, I suggest that they use that thread, rather than here. (Though even doing that is a kind of reward to the very strange person involved. And it makes the job of people tryinhg to clean up that kind of thing harder.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Peace Date: 14 Nov 04 - 10:52 PM Mc G of H: That link seems not to work.
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Peace Date: 15 Nov 04 - 10:28 AM Thanks, Mr Offer. Good on yer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: sagecw Date: 25 Nov 04 - 01:35 PM happy turkey day everyone....cindy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: CarolC Date: 25 Nov 04 - 02:36 PM Have a wonderful Thanksgiving, Cindy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Ellenpoly Date: 26 Nov 04 - 04:46 AM I hope you were able to set aside at least a few of your worries for Thanksgiving, Cindy. You and your family deserve it. Best Wishes.. ..xx..e |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: GUEST Date: 04 Dec 04 - 08:02 AM Here is another case of the Australian Immigration Department rejecting a family because they have an autistic child. In this case, the boy, who is 12 years old and autistic, featured today in a Federal Government calendar celebrating the International Day of People with Disabilities. Despite being, literally, a poster boy for one arm of government, the child has received a colder embrace from another arm of the government – the Department of Immigration. It's turned down an application from him and his parents for permanent residency, on the grounds that he has a disability. Making things tougher still for the family, the parents have been forced to give up any paid employment in this country, while they await an appeal which could still take months. Immigration turns away the family of disabled boy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Peace Date: 04 Dec 04 - 02:20 PM To those who said they would write letters on Jessica and Cindy's behalf: I am presently awaiting some direction form Cindy. I have left a message for her (she has been away from home for the past two weeks and she likely will be back soon). The above so's you know it's still a go. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: Peace Date: 07 Dec 04 - 12:33 PM Have heard from Cindy, and there is some legal stuff in the works. Until her end offers a suggestion as to how we should proceed, maybe it's best we don't at this time. I have the names on file, and when I get some direction I'll pass it along for your attention. Hope this is OK with y'all. Bruce Murdoch |
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Subject: RE: BS: Jessica and the Bureaucrats From: GUEST Date: 14 Feb 11 - 03:14 AM Hey ... I just found this and noticed it all seemed to stop in Nov 04 ... Anyone still around who know what happened? |
