BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!

Subject: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Alba
Date: 16 Jan 05 - 08:23 PM

Yes, this is for Little Hawk.
Mr Shatner has just won a Golden Globe for his role in Boston Legal...winning out over fellow nominees from the Sopranos and Tuff.
:>)
Blessings
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jan 05 - 08:36 PM

It was inevitable of course...

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Jan 05 - 11:46 PM

... don't get too excited. The Golden Globes were once awarded to Pia Zadora, who has as much talent as Shatner. What an awful actor he is! Who did he sleep with to get this award?

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 12:14 AM

MY GOAT--now just let it be, Ron.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 12:17 AM

We saw him this evening on one of the celebrity poker shows on cable/satellite. He's a very funny man, and not a bad poker player. He's very good in the role of Denny Crain (sp?) in Boston Legal, but I think they don't use him nearly enough on that show.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Kaleea
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 03:11 AM

It was a shoe-in. He was typecast in the role. I'm surprised somebody didn't write him the into the Sopranos. He could be their attorney, or hit man-whaddevuh.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: GUEST,Mingulay at work
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 04:04 AM

Surely, Shatner's trouserings already contain sufficient golden globes for an ordinary mortal?

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 05:24 AM

...ordinary mortal?

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Alba
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 05:32 AM

Ammendment: Huff not Tuff!
I actually was putting a DVD on last night and happened to catch the announcement for the Golden Globe Awards by accident just as the nominations were being read for Mr Shatner's Group.
I have no clue what Huff (Tuff) is or Boston Legal for that matter.
I have heard of "the Sopranos" but have never seen it...
I am not a big TV watcher...so for all "Huff" Fans out there please except my apologies...LOL
Huff means Sulking in Scotland..ie: Whit ur yi in the Huff aboot noo!
So you see Tuff made more sense to me now I am here in Maine...
Like you all needed to know this...but hey it's 5.30am here and I have been up since 3am...can't sleep....so......:>)
Blessings
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: GUEST,Leonard Nimoy
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 09:18 AM

Well, if Bill can win an award for his acting then it's time for me to get back in the recording studio and put together a new CD. Wonder if we can get it released in time for this year's Grammy nominations? Surely the world is ready for a new digitally enhanced version of "Bilbo Baggins".

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:01 AM

What the hell are you people smoking? Some of you actually think this clown is an actor????

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Alba
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:10 AM

Oh Ron.....you wait till Little Hawk reads your post.....
Oh Oh your in for an enlightment session:>)
Blessings
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:16 AM

Ron, you are drifting dangerously close to being consigned forever to the legions of the damned, banished to an eternal existence where you are forced to watch "I Love Lucy" reruns...FOREVER!

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:31 AM

Comeon Little Hawk, you can get help... admiting you have a problem is the first step.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:47 AM

Just what I was about to say to you, Ron. Look, we have courses at the WSSBA to help people out with this sort of thing. The fact is, a lot of people are just not subtle enough to grasp the depth of Shatner's acting technique. They are victims of a superficial culture. A 6 month course at the WSSBA can open your eyes to the nuances of the Shatner Technique that will completely revolutionize your view of Life Itself. Don't hesitate! Enroll now.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: alanabit
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:51 AM

Little Hawk - if you can sell the idea that William Shatner is a talented actor, why are you not a very rich man?

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:59 AM

Zing!

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 11:12 AM

"not subtle enough to grasp the depth of Shatner's acting technique"

A corpse has more emotion than Shatner.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Peter T.
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 11:14 AM

He started out as an interesting actor -- The Andersonville Trial was quite good. Then he used the transporter too much. He really does look creepy now.

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 12:46 PM

if you can sell the idea that William Shatner is a talented actor, why are you not a very rich man?

Little Hawk chooses to use his powers for good instead of evil.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Alba
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 01:15 PM

...Now that is a fact Carol:>)
Jude

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Mingulay
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 02:32 PM

Shatner doesn't seem to be quIte the correct spelling somehow.

I'll beam myself up Little Hawk!

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 04:09 PM

LOL! Thanks, Carol. I just love it when Big Bill wins awards. It drives people like Ron Olesko up the wall.

I wonder...who has had a bigger effect on western civilization? Abe Lincoln, Leonardo Da Vinci, Albert Einstein, or William Shatner?

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 04:14 PM

I really could not care, this is just fun. It is a shame that truly talented actors are not recognized but Shatner is simply what he is. Star Trek was a diversion that occupied the attention of many people who needed to escape.   The reality is that he is a lousy actor who makes people happy. There is nothing really wrong with that.

In just a few years Star Trek and Shatner will be all but forgotten. Just like old-time radio, there will always be a few people who look back fondly but it will be largely forgotten.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 05:57 PM

You underestimate Trekkies, Ron. At your peril, too, I believe.

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 06:17 PM

Actually, the thing that made Star Trek so memorable, quite aside from Mr Shatner's idiosyncratic acting style was this: Star Trek was practically the only TV show in history to present a hypothetical future for humanity that was strongly positive and forward-looking in nature. In that sense, Star Trek occupies an enormously important place in popular culture. They presented a drama about a future society NOT run by money, a society NOT dominated by commercial advertising, a society where there was no poverty, where everyone had everything material that they could possibly want, where everyone had free access to an excellent education, where all races and varieties of sentient beings were treated as equals in every way!!!

This was revolutionary stuff. This was a total philosophical departure from the crass materialism and selfishness of our present society.

It was a neo-con's nightmare, and a social idealist's dream...and it IS entirely possible. It could be achieved on a worldwide basis at any time people decided to achieve it.

That is what made Star Trek a brilliant and truly valuable show.

Star Trek was to TV what the Beatles were to pop music...a breath of fresh air, and a message of Love.

If people don't see that, it might be because they just didn't bother to look. Star Trek was one of the most subversive and revolutionary shows that has ever aired on TV, because it dared to hope that the better side of humanity could win out and turn this planet into a single united community, rather than a bunch of feuding, medieval nation-states run by corrupt politicians and greedy robber barons.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 07:14 PM

yawn

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 07:25 PM

LH is right, IMO.

I recall watching it when it first hit the TV screen. Blown away. Here was a world divided along lines of race, creed, colour, religion, etc., and here was a hit show with bloody awful special eefects (by today's standards) that espoused a future (a now) that included people of all descriptions. I met people twenty years later who would sooner dine on deer turds and rabbit fur than miss a Trekkie convention. I think also that Star Trek opened up TV to other possibilities--and it let the Networks know that there was a market available in TV that showed folks in the light of equality--regardless of whatever else they might be or have. Women holding positions of authority on the Enterprise, Spock with his ears and coldly-logical manner (met him while working for McCarthy in 1967 (?) and recall being a bit disappointed that his eras were not pointy), etc.

Star Trek wasn't great theatre, but it captured the imaginations of lotsa people and that's gotta count for something. Hey, would ya rather watch Jerry Springer?

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 07:26 PM

Right on! Little Hawk!

Some of its descendents are stillon thatline too...

Worth a watch are the last few seasons (as played here in Oz - we are often behind the USA) of Stargate...

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 07:28 PM

Also, there was a North Vietnamese military leader (can't remember name) who was told by an American leader at the Peace Talks that the North was losing all the battles. He replied, "You are right. However, it is also immaterial."

I agree that Shatner can't act--but then, he doesn't have to.

BM

PS He's Canadian. Jus' wanna be sure y'all know that.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 07:56 PM

"I met people twenty years later who would sooner dine on deer turds and rabbit fur than miss a Trekkie convention."

You may not have meant to do it, but I think you summarized my feelings about why Star Trek is such an overated show. What an amazing statement and summation about Trekkies.

Sure, the show touched on some themes that weren't being dealt with in general, but to crown the show as the ONLY one doing that is absurd.   Shows like X Minus 1 did it a generation before on radio. Utopian societies, as much of a fairy tale as they are, were also touched on in shows like The Twilight Zone and even Lost in Space.   

It is also interesting that while the show dealt with "a future society NOT run by money" and "a society NOT dominated by commercial advertising", the existence of Trekkies have been certainly dominated by money and advertising. Think those Star Trek conventions are cheap?

When I worked at CNBC a few years ago, Shatner was a guest on one of our talk shows. The producer thought it would be cute to bring in a bunch of memorabila from Star Trek. Before the show, Shatner took one look at it and said something to the effect of "get that crap out of here".   I admire him for that, if not for his acting.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 08:07 PM

LOL

I KNEW you would pick up on that, Ron.

No, it wasn't the only one, but it was an important one, IMO. Whether or not the sceond=generation stuff serves a purpose or not is anyone's guess.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 08:15 PM

It does serve a purpose - it is making some people very rich! Besides the actors and production staff, there is tons of money to be made off of Trekkies.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 08:17 PM

Just to be straightforward - I see nothing wrong with people that enjoy watching Star Trek. I wouldn't want them in my house of course, but as long as they do not take the show too seriously it is harmless.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 01:49 AM

I didn't take the show all that seriously, Ron, nor Shatner...I watched it for fun at the time, and I just play Shatner up on Mudcat for the fun of it. I am not a hardcore Trekkie and I never was. What I AM is a hardcore fan of Bob Dylan, Buffy Sainte-Marie, and Joan Baez. I am a hardcore musician and philosopher and spiritual seeker. I am nowhere near being a hardcore Trekkie, and I agree that they were rather odd people (supernerds, in some cases)...BUT....and this is a big "but"....

I was dead serious in what I said about the alternative social values presented by Star Trek. That was strictly due to the vision of one man, Gene Rodenberry, and it flew directly in the face of the values of the very society that spawned television in the first place. It was a view of a social milieu SO far advanced over either capitalism OR communism as to leave them both gasping in the dust of their obsolescence and brutality.

It was a brilliant show in the social values it presented, and those came to full fruition in the "Next Generation" TV show, which did NOT enlist the services of Mr Shatner or his crew at all.

I repeat, it was the most subversive show ever to air in North America, because it presented a society of sanity, honesty, and equality on the airwaves of a present social order based on insanity, dishonesty, and gross inequality...all prostrate at the feet of the Money God.

The fact that people on the show itself had to deal with our money $ySStem has nothing whatsoever to do with that. Of course they had to deal with it. They actually live in the moral and ethical dungheap that is present society, and must deal with it as we all do.

The point is, the show posited something far better in the future. That is worth remembering and learning something from.

You are confusing the triviality of the fame (deserved or not) of a single actor with far more meaningful matters.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 10:56 AM

No, I am not talking about the triviality of fame and I'm not talking at all about the actors. 99% of the Star Trek fans that I have met over the years could care less about all of the items that you mentioned. Trekkies have wrapped themselves in a very commercial fanaticism around the show that goes against everything you mentioned.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 12:24 PM

That's true, Ron! About 98% of people in North America, I'd say, are pretty superficial thinkers with less than a gram of philosophical bent in their bodies. Star Trek fans included. :-) Nevertheless, the social philosophy presented by Gene Rodenberry was revolutionary for its time and still is now, and THAT's why I admire the show. I couldn't care less if there are very few Star Trek fans who perceive or care about the aspects of the show that I mentioned. Those aspects, nonetheless, were there.

North Americans are, first and foremost, materialists. They are like walking demonstrations of the statement "the unexamined life is not worth living". Gene Rodenberry had a greater vision than his peers in Hollywood OR than his audience, and that's what I find notable and remarkable about the show. I'm not surprised that it went right over the heads of a lot of the fans.

Man, this is a society that fixates on people like Britney Spears and frets about Janet Jackson's breast, fer chrissake! It's the rule of the lowest common denominator out there. Present them with real philosophy about the possibilities of Life, and only one in 1,000 will even notice.

Rodenberry also had to jazz up the show with the usual nonsense: the obligatory fistfights, sexual double entendres, etc, in order to make it "commercial" enough to succeed. And that resulted in some pretty silly episodes. I bet it frustrated him no end, but that's Hollywood.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Kim C
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 12:46 PM

Shatner looks really bloated these days.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 01:00 PM

Yeah. Too many ribeye steaks on the barbecue, I suspect. The poor man seriously needs a stay in a vegetarian health spa. He oughta get in the sauna or the sweat lodge and sweat off those 85 extra pounds.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 01:00 PM

caught 'Boston Legal' for the first time the other night - and *then* saw that BS had gotten a globe for his role. My sister - who normally likes BS - was very disappointed in 'boston Legal' - and was absolutely flabbergasted he recieved an award for it!

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: GUEST,William Shatner
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 01:10 PM

Your sister is probably flabbergasted every time she looks in the mirror too, MMario. Some people flabbergast more easily than others.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 01:15 PM

Littlehawk, I completely respect and admire your position. I am glad you looked beyond the superficial "TV" aspect of the show, and frankly you are the first person that has given me reason to go back and give the show another try. Looking at it from your perspective really turns it around.

I would not give Americans such a bad rap. Materialism is not just a U.S. phenomenon.   Also, if you have not experienced it in the past, check out an old-time radio show called X Minus One.   I found it to present many of the same themes as you have described and it turned science fiction to something beyond the "Flash Gordon" mentality of the day.

Now, about Star Wars......

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 02:55 PM

LH's acute, accurate analysis aside, it pisses me off that people crap on oldies by comparison to the slick stuff we're seeing these days, which will, in time, become crap in comparison to future productions. Ron's mention of Star Wars is the same old same old, and I assume that's what you were alluding to, Ron. It's like taking one of Bill's songs "out of context" and holding it up to srutiny as an example of the body(s) of work. Many have crapped on Bill here in this forum for particular songs but have not listened these songs in concert with the entire work(s). Imagime if all you had to judge The Beatles by was, "We all live in a yellow submarine, a yellow..."

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 03:13 PM

No gnu, I am not comparing it to future productions. I just find that Star Trek and Star Wars are given way too much credit for being revolutionary. I found the acting to be really bad, the dialogue unrealistic, and the stories boring.

Again, I do think Little Hawk made some very valid points and I will look at it again in that context.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 03:34 PM

Well that's good. I too have trouble comparing the present to the future... and, many times, the past.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 04:01 PM

You can't have a legitimate ska band without doing a song titled 'William Shatner' (Doesn't matter what the song's about as long as it's called 'William Shatner'. To date, The Scofflaws have the best one: "Captain of the crew, and he knows kung-fu
And he did Joan Collins in nineteen thirty-two"

And whether or not you call it singing, the album: "Has Been" kinda makes up for those legendarilly awful albums of the sixties.

And his version of "I Am Canadian" rocks.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 05:09 PM

Star Wars? That was different...not a thinking man's show, but just a good old adventure story with a little bit of New Age mysticism thrown in (the Force, and all that). Just sheer fun was Star Wars. Socially speaking, it was rather a throwback to medieval myths of knighthood and chivalry. It had some memorable characters in the first 3 movies. After that, forget it.

Those old radio shows were great, Ron, but I missed most of them, I'm afraid.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Peter T.
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 05:29 PM

Come on,I hardly think Star Trek was that monumental, except in the minds of Trekkies. It was essentially a British warship ("Thank you, Number One"), with a token woman or two (except for those slavering for Captain Kirk, often queens of wherever), and a sprinkling of tokenb foreigners of colour. The equivalent elsewhere was those Superman comics where he addresses the nations of the world at the United Nations all wearing their native costumes and with different coloured faces, but they are really all white underneath. We are talking picaresque travel as a genre, and it was done more radically by Homer in the Odyssey 3000 years earlier -- strange monsters, fascinating women, weird islands. This is not exactly the stuff of which barricades are made.

In fact, you could argue, and I will, that the 50's film versions of the Odyssey and Sinbad were far more radical than Star Trek ever was (not to mention Forbidden Planet). Twilight Zone was far more radical in every way.

I watched the Star Treks when they first came out, and I never for one moment thought of them as anything other than sci-fi. To say they made a great statement is laughable. The "deep messages" were always ridiculously platitudinous; and the sophisticated cultural understanding of other beings and other cultures was always a couple of slinky costumes, a weird vase, and a god that talked out of a concrete pillar.

In fact, if Star Trek is an artefact of anything, it is an artefact of American imperialism at its most egregious: the world will be one under one benign empire, the leaders will all be American, with some amuzing subordinates; and the enemies will be horrible monsters all of whom slather and deserve to die because they are underhanded, unlike our noble side that can do no wrong.

Star Trek: The Next Generation had one or two interesting episodes, but those were mostly the ones that challenged the storytelling form.


yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 05:55 PM

You had a great paragraph there, Peter:

"In fact, if Star Trek is an artefact of anything, it is an artefact of American imperialism at its most egregious: the world will be one under one benign empire, the leaders will all be American, with some amusing subordinates; and the enemies will be horrible monsters all of whom slather and deserve to die because they are underhanded, unlike our noble side that can do no wrong."

I agree enthusiastically with that analysis, Peter. You have hit on the crux of the dark side of the cultural assumptions that underlay Star Trek, specially in its first edition in the 60's. It's basically a view of an Anglo-American dominated Universe, in which other cultures are appended on as amusing or exotic decorations to the Pax Anglo-Americana. That same bizarre set of assumptions lies, not too well hidden, behind George Bush's ridiculous "War on Terrorism".

However, I stand by what I said about the positive social philosophies put forward on the show, regardless of that. The positive aspects were there.

Any show produced in America always views Life as essentially American in nature. Any show produced in Great Britain views Life as essentially British. Their views of the Universe will necessarily carry on under the same bland assumptions as long as they retain national identities, I expect. I imagine the Romans saw the Universe as basically Roman, didn't they? Other cultures were, to them, merely exotic curiosities to be taken over and exploited...or ruthlessly eliminated.

"Resistance is Futile. You will be assimilated." That could easily be the official credo of American civilization at this point in history. That makes them the spiritual counterparts of 2 alien species on the Next Generation show...the Ferengi (the ultimate greedy capitalists) and the Borg (the ultimate military conquerors).

Within its constricting bubble of Anglo-American assumptions, Star Trek did very well at creating a far freer and more equitable view of society than our present competitive, money-driven order.

The only rewards of great accomplishment in their society were: the gaining of greater responsibility, more interesting work, and greater prestige among your peers. They did not have financial or material inducements toward getting ahead in life. They had built a society free from material want and deprivation. That alone is a tremendously more enlightened approach to building a healthy society than what we see around us now. That is social responsibility and social justice. That takes the ideal "All men (humans) are created equal" and actualizes it in a real way that makes sense.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 06:01 PM

some 'reviews'... What I got in the first few hits from typing "Shatner + crap" into Google

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 06:10 PM

Thank you, Bill!!! ROTFLMAO! Those are simply the most spot-on, superb, incredible reviews of Shatner songs I have ever read. This guy understands the unique majesty, the grandeur, and the terrifying awe and wonder that IS Bill Shatner...unleashed!

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 06:20 PM

oh, I'd say he does indeed 'understand'!..*grin*....but I ain't sure I'd use precisely those terms...

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 09:02 PM

The unexpurgated review...an overall look at Shatner's gift to recorded music, taken off the website:

Why I like this album (Shatner's "The Transformed Man" - 1968)

Although he now claims otherwise, I believe the Transformed Man album was released in total po-faced seriousness. Bill really believed he was a true renaissance man at the very height of his powers, that he was creating art. This is what makes the album so delicious - you could just imagine Bill sitting around listening to the finished cut, getting all hyped up while the record company execs who'd commissioned it just tried to keep their jaws off the floor and pander to his massive ego sufficiently in order to get something, anything out that could cash in on the lucrative Star Trek angle. Plus, it was the seventies, and anything went then.
(But really, that must have been a great moment when the powers that be got to hear that record for the first time. The quintessential "What the fuck have we done?" moment. And they go "What will we do with this?" And they release it anyway, because people will buy any old crap!)
But make no mistake about it - it takes talent to be that bad. Shatner was a great Captain Kirk. He looked the part - barking out orders brusquely, not showing much emotion (which was just right for the part - he was captain of a starship and couldn't afford to appear weak in front of his crew - unlike Jean-Luc "More tea vicar?" Freaking Picard!). You could believe he was a captain. Sure he talked in a bizarre random emphasis type way - but hell, he was from the future - people all talk like that in the future. But after he moved onto other parts, it soon transpired that this, in fact, was his only acting style. And, incredibly, his singing style too. You would get booed off the Karaoke stage if you tried to pull a stunt like that, but he somehow pulls it off. It's not bad - it's fucking mega-boss bad. And that's why it's so good.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Cluin
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 09:05 PM

uh huh...

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 09:06 PM

"99% of the Star Trek fans that I have met over the years could care less about all of the items that you mentioned"

Ron, are you aware that 89.6% of people who use statistics in an argument make them up as they go along?

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 09:09 PM

And 92.3% of those people slant the made-up statistics to favour their own prejudices!

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Cluin
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 09:14 PM

Um, I understood there was to be no math involved when I signed up here.....?

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 09:18 PM

And, the remaining 7.7% don't know WHAT they think 96.4% of the time.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 09:26 PM

100% correct, Cluin.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 09:42 PM

Sorry Brucie.. your percentage was proven wrong by 9 out of 10 leading dentists.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Cluin
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 10:30 PM

9 out of 10 dentists think 1 dentist in 10 is an asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 10:32 PM

right they are!

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 10:43 PM

I can't remember the show in which Shatner playe a cop (Hooker, Booker, somethin' like that). Anyway, I saw three episodes or so and decided to call it a night. (It was on when Hil Street Blues was still being shown.) HSB often had the phrase 'scumbag' in it. I guess that Shatner was a fan of HSB, because in one of the episodes of his shows he trampled a line: "Put down the gun you dirty (then a pause for a second while he shook his head and--as far as I could tell-- thought hard about how he was going to convey the 'feeling' of scumbag yet not say it on his 'family' police show: To repeat, "Put down the gun you dirty . . . . . . . . BAG!"

Pure Shatner, and some of you folks think he can't act?

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Cluin
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 10:49 PM

Oh, he can act alright.

My favorite Shatner performance: him taking a hairy in that Twilight Zone episode with the gremlin tearing apart the airplane wing.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 11:02 PM

Saw that one. Great. He was definitely awesome. (Ron's gotta be gettin' near the ledge by now, ya figger?)

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 11:25 PM

yes.. I've been laughing so hard that I need to be careful.

So how is the Kool-aid???

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: GUEST,Shatner-hater
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 12:29 AM

They ought to have given him the SHAFT before he took the Globe. The Globe at least matches his body style.

That fat little round man with the pig eyes and body. Some Hollywood idol! What's with that horrid CD of his? Shivers! Well, I guess if you can get a "Hung for Christmas" album by that American Idle Asian nitwit you can expect to have Shatner hanging around "musically" after the Holidays. What next, Shatner doing Rap in Drag? How about a Bikini Beach Party Movie with Billy in a Speedo with his tummie roll a-hangin over the "wasteband".

Shatner did look drunk or drugged on GG night. At least he got a hair implant or takes Rogaine and got rid of that "tooip toopay harepiece". Did I mention his speech was also slurred on Globe night?

Sorry to beelytle your heelro and idle Lytel Squawk.

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Peace
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 12:37 AM

"Bikini Beach Party: Billy in a Speedo"

Guest,Shatner-hater: YOU ARE A GENIUS. What a title for a record-breaking (not one of Bill's) B movie that doesn't need Elvis (whom rumour has it is either dead and coming back or alive and coming back). The title says it ALL. The Speedo SHOWS it all. What's left? Only the world of xxxxx-rated cinema. To go where no man has gone before (snicker snicker).

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 03:49 AM

69

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 03:14 AM

William Shatner does Elton John's Rocketman.

A classic in classic Shatner style.


(just in case you wondered where Stewie got his rendition)

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Pogo
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 11:38 AM

*thoughtfully*

So what I have gleaned from this thread is...

Shatner has become a Globetrotter.

*nods* Mm-hm. Multi-talented man.

Will he have to get a 'Fro toupee' now?

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 01:14 PM

Shatner has a way of putting a whole new twist on things. He sweeps away the old and brings in the new. I really can't wait till he goes into women's fashion design...

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: jacqui.c
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 02:46 PM

Making them or wearing them?

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 05 - 05:03 PM

Both! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 03:07 AM

SHATNERIXATION

Subject: RE: BS: William Shatner takes the Globe!
From: 42
Date: 27 Mar 05 - 07:37 AM

omigod! There are 10 (count 'em 10) Shatner threads in a row (or a column I guess you'd have to call it).

What is the Cat coming to?

j
ps. now I have to put this on all of them to keep them aligned properly - arrgggghhhh