Lyr Add: Dan Malone (correction)

Subject: made up lyrycs
From: GUEST,johnsmith
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 06:58 PM

Where the fuck do you guys get some of these lyrics from????
i.e.the song Dan Malone. one line reads "Now her grave lies UNIDENT outside Killarny" Unident? unifuckingdent? What the fuck does unident mean???It's not english thats for certain!!!It must be yank for havn't
got a fucking clue so make any shite up!!!The line is "now her grave lies on a hill outside Killarny" Also,in the same song,Kitty didn't come from me home,if she had done he'd know who the fuck she was,it would have been his fucking mother or sister or some other fucker he knew!!! She came from Mayo,you know,the county Mayo???
Jesus at least read em before you post em,instead of making a mockery out of em.

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 07:07 PM

Oh, what a nice polite post.....thank you so very much!

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 07:13 PM

Impolite as a bear with a toothache, but he's right...

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: s6k
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 07:48 PM

someones not a happy camper!

Subject: RE: made up lyrics
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 08:16 PM

Mildly amusing profane post from someone who can't spell 'lyrics'...

Well, if we knew just WHAT song he was on about....

It may well be the result of a typo.

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 09:14 PM

Dan Malone: Lyrics posted in the DT, and at www.florilegium.org, have 'Now her grave lies unident. outside Killarny' in verse 3, line 4. No documentation.

Lyrics posted at www.feisanna.com, for the same line, have: 'Now her grave lies on a hillockside Kilarney,' (? hill outside Kilarney). This version, without citation of author or singer, has 'Kitty from Mayo' in the first line.

Cannot find any citation of publication or author, or that the lyrics are by Gemma Hasson (did she just sing it?).

If guest johnsmith wishes to help, he could provide the documentation for the song.

I believe that the tune is among those requested but never posted at Mudcat.

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: GUEST,khandu
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 09:31 PM

Perhaps "unident" somehow meant "unidentified". maybe that was the way the transcriber was trying to say he didn't understand what the phrase was. Maybe.

k

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 09:46 PM

The DT transcription, copied from that SCA site some eight years ago, is pretty poor; though criticism of it is probably most constructively made when sober and in full possession of ones wits. In those days all manner of misheard gibberish was added quite uncritically to the database. More careful and discerning these days, I think, but there's still an awful lot of junk that needs getting rid of if it can't be corrected.

Whoever wrote it (and whether Dan or Kitty was the original) it's obviously modern, and almost certainly set to the tune of By the Hush (Paddy's Lamentation); interestingly, that tune was found in Canada, not Ireland; although it seems to have started life as an American minstrel tune, The Happy Land of Canaan, an Irish antecedent isn't impossible; though I don't know of any evidence of one.

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: michaelr
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 09:48 PM

Fucking Guest, fucking johnsmith -- here at the fucking Mudcat, hundreds of fucking people have fucking posted thousands of fucking lyrics, sometimes fucking copy/pasted from other fucking sites on the fucking internet.

If fucking mistakes creep in from time to fucking time, we fucking apologize. For fuck's sake.

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 10:08 PM

Unident'. is the way I usu. write the word. It fits the rhyme scheme too.
But that don't make no never-'; we still don't have a doc. vers.

(Sorry, Khandu, not poking fun, but c'dn't resist)

Not the same song, but it has the feel of "Paddy's Lamentation" as arr. from "The Irish Imigrant" (I'm Sitting on the Stile, Mary) by Paddy Maloney and Mary Black for "Long Journey Home."

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jun 05 - 11:28 PM

When I was a spy listening to phone calls in Berlin, we used "u/i" for "unidentified"; "B-val" (B-value) for stuff we were pretty sure of, "C-Val" for stuff we were not so sure of.
"Unident" works for me, but u/i is easier. I like the B-val, C-val stuff for classifying guesses. Transcribing folk songs by ear is often like listening to phone calls and trying to make out what people are saying.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 02:52 AM

When I learned abbreviations for taking minutes, rather than shorthand, I was taught to use unident for an unidentified word that I'd misheard or if I was typing up someone elses notes.

johnsmith - it is English, it doesn't include the 'F word' and that long key in the middle of the bottom row of your keyboard is the space bar. It inserts a space between letters and words when you press it. Swap your over use of the 'F word' for your under use of the space bar and your postings might merit a better reception.

LTS

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: GUEST,Matt_R
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 03:28 AM

"someones not a happy camper!"

hahaha one of my favorite catch-phrases!

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: GUEST,johnsmith
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 05:38 AM

Isn't malcolm a clever shite ! ! !

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 05:45 AM

Isn't johnsmith on a first name basis with John Barleycorn ! ! !

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: GUEST,JennyO
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 09:56 AM

(Pedant alert) As far as I can see, nobody here on this thread has spelt "Killarney" right yet - except for me ;-)

As for "unident", apart from the obvious idea that whoever wrote it couldn't work out what the word was, maybe her grave was unmarked - unidentified? No?

Or, maybe she only had one tooth.

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 12:24 PM

would it help if we hold the mayo?
I think unident is okay. well done whoever came up with it.

And Guest John Smith (same initials as George Joseph Smith) in future we're not at home to Mr Angry....!
so go f--k yourself.

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs
From: Les from Hull
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 01:07 PM

Or course if people didn't spend all that extra time typing expletivites they could spend more time doing something more useful.

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs - Dan Malone
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 01:33 PM

Are expletivites otherwise known as Tourettes sufferers, Les?

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs - Dan Malone
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 03:44 PM

johnsmith, I think you should print out your first post, take it to a doctor, and ask "Why am I suffused by such rage?" Do this before somebody gets hurt.

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs - Dan Malone
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 04:27 PM

Apparently not the Dan Malone, outlaw, who was killed by officers in Bandera County, Texas, 1866.

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs - Dan Malone
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 08:09 PM

Has The Breast returned?

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs - Dan Malone
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 08:12 PM

Ooops! Typo!

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs - Dan Malone
From: JennyO
Date: 29 Jun 05 - 11:20 PM

I'll believe that, Robin. Thousands wouldn't :-)

You planning a visit to the Temple of the Golden Globes?

Subject: RE: made up lyrycs - Dan Malone
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Jun 05 - 02:14 AM

Do I have an invite?