BS: Wahts a creed?

Subject: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 08:28 PM

Heloo,
Wahts a creed?
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recently i been for a job at hull city council,
and on form is saying=
"if you any good for that job=, we then we give job, even if you are a coulored or a gay , or a disabled, or wahtever you creed?


i thgink its something to do whith religon, but not sure really.

but i havent got a creed yet, [if they sat wajts you creed, i will say 2 church of englund],

is that a creed or not?

not sure reaklly.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 08:45 PM

thats increedible

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 08:49 PM

The Church of England's creed is the Nicene Creed.

A creed is a statement summarizing one's beliefs.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 08:52 PM

What's a waht?

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: frogprince
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 08:53 PM

Without looking in the dictionary, john, in that context it just means whatever your religion is. More specifically, it's any historic summary of beliefs that any church or religion has put together; the most widely known for Christians would probably be the "Apostles Creed" that you could look up for an example.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 08:55 PM

They meant 'breed,' they are planning on kidnapping you and cloning you.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 09:06 PM

A 'waht' is a northern dialect variation of 'wart'.

You catch 'em from toads & when on your hands, they're 'wahts' or 'warts' (Ir. 'Wharts', Ger. 'Vhartz'] & wehn on your feet they're called 'Veruccas' (Ar. 'Farrukhas')

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 12:39 AM

John:

In general English your creed is your belief system; it comes from the Latin verb "credo, credere" meaning to believe. Normally it refers to your beliefs about th Univere, or perhaps God, or things of that scale. So saying "C of E" will do fine if anyone asks.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 04:33 AM

Here's one. It's got a nice tune, it's the nice ne creed:

CREDO IN unum Deum, Patrem omnipotentem, factorem coeli et terrae, visibilium omnium, et invisibilium. Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum, Filium Dei unigenitum. Et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula. Deum de Deo, lumen de lumine, Deum verum de Deo vero. Genitum, non factum, consubstantialem Patri: per quem omnia facta sunt. Qui propter nos homines, et propter nostram salutem descendit de coelis. Et incarnatus est de spiritu sancto ex Maria Virgine: et homo factus est. Crucifixus etiam pro nobis, sub Pontio Pilato passus, et sepultus est. Et resurrexit tertia die, secundum Scripturas. Et ascendit in coelum: sedet ad dexteram Patris. Et iterum venturus est cum gloria, judicare vivos et mortuos: cujus regni non erit finis. Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem: qui ex Patre Filioque procedit. Qui cum Patre et Filio simul adoratur et conglorificatur: qui locutus est per prophetas. Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam. Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum. + Et vitam venturi saeculi. Amen.

I always though that unam, sanctam, bit meant St. Luke's.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 05:07 AM

Illegitimus non tatum carborundum.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: John O'L
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 06:22 AM

...or the Apostles' Creed -

I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.

And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; he descended into hell; the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Ghost; the holy catholic Church; the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting. Amen.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 06:28 AM

Hey JO'L where's the filioque bit? Did you ditch the Orthodox mob for nothing?

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 08:35 AM

Ah, jOhn, we connect at every level, one minute discussing how many social diseases might be exchanged at the Adelphi, the next discussing your creed. As Susan correctly points out, Anglicans subscribe to the Nicene Creed, but this is the basic precept of the Roman Catholic church, as the doctrine contained therein was agreed at the Council of Nicea in 323AD, long before any schism, popes in Avignon, orthodoxy or Martin Luther.

Nicea was an interesting political fix. Emperor Constantine had just seized power, and being the first Christian emperor of Rome, ended nearly three centuries of official Christian persecution. The wording of the Nicene Creed teaches that the Son is of one with the Father, which put paid to the 'heretical' doctrine of a priest in Alexandria called Arius, who maintained that the Father begat the Son, therefore the Son had a beginning, and had not existed with the Father for all time.

This may seem a small doctrinal difference, but these issues were very much a matter of life and death throughout the history of organised religion, and have fuelled the mockery by those that wish to pull down the Church of Christ, whatever its hue.

Just put down C of E, mate.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Amos
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 08:59 AM

Amazing that people have been put to the sword because of the genetic structure of their imaginary playmates, I think.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Mooh
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:12 AM

Anglicans use both the Apostle's and Nicene Creeds. Don't think I've heard it said in church, but I've read it, is the Creed of Saint Athanasius. It's in the old Book of Common Prayer, not sure about the Book of Alternative Services.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:34 AM

Yep, that's right, Mooh. And the filioque is in the Nicene, at least in the US BCP, at least for now.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Mooh
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:39 AM

Was interupted...

Usually, the Apostle's Creed at Morning Prayer and other non-communion services, and the Nicene Creed at Holy Communion and festivals generally. At least that's how I remember things; unclear, in spite of weekly recitation. There is also, and I can't remember the name of it unless it's simply Affirmation Of Faith which has the two commandments of "love the lord thy God" and "love thy neighbour as thyself", which are the cornerstones of Anglicanism as I was taught it. The Affirmation and the Creed are both often used in the same service.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Mooh
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:53 AM

The whole filioque question is not so big a deal to many modern Christians it would seem. Believing in the Trinity pretty much includes it anyway, so that's easy for me. But, it's not essential to faith, and it's an area of thought and theology which is still (or again) evolving. Some questions are unanswerable in this world, and others will be revealed.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 11:35 AM

At one time jOhn believed that someone has been trashing bikes in his garden (I read this a long time ago, so I'm not up to date, jOhn9) but this isn't the same as what jOhn believes about the state of being (current) or afterlives of the scumbags who abuse bicycles out there. "Creed" applies to the second instance of "believe", not the first.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Grab
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 11:47 AM

We could of course just refer jOhn to a dictionary, but that would be blatantly foolish...

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 12:03 PM

It's far more entertaining to see what he comes up with.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 12:08 PM

"refer jOhn to a dictionary"

He'd have to be able to read first....

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Charmion
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 12:31 PM

Contrary to most of us who focus on impertinent questions, jOhn9's are usually much to the point -- of something.

Actually, jOhn, unless Britain has changed a whole hell of a lot since Tony Bliar took over, the gummint has no damned business asking about your creed, or anybody else's for that matter.

That's what disestablishmentarianism was all about! Now run to your dictionaries, fellow 'Cats ...

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 01:33 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. I would have thought creed was connected to ethnicity/tribe more than a belief system.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Cobble
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 01:54 PM

The creed Indians thats the answer. THey wanted to know if jOhn was an Indian.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 03:33 PM

"love the lord thy God" and "love thy neighbour as thyself"

Mooh, that's (our Lord's) Summary of the Law you're recalling, from the 1928 BCP and Rite I 1979 BCP, ECUSA. I forget where it is in the Bible.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Mooh
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 05:22 PM

Yeah, that's what we call it! Weird how I could recite the thing but couldn't recall its name, as obvious as it is.

(An aside...many words and expressions that we use in everyday life, like "summary" and "law" were first learned as from the BCP, and maybe they have greater value or meaning to me because of it.)

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 05:37 PM

Then there was Apollo Creed who had several memorable bouts with Rocky. Rocky won in the end.

Perhaps they think you are a relation and look a bit like him.

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Elmer Fudd
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 05:39 PM

jOhn, "creed" is an abbreviation for "Creedence Clearwater Revival." It's such a common question on government forms that they assume that everyone knows what they are talking about. All you have to do is write in the first two bars of "Bad Moon Rising," or the code words, "Proud Mary keeps on boyning" and you are sure to get the job.

Mr. Happy, thanks for your erudite explanation of the meaning of "waht." I endeavor to improve myself by learning a new word every day. You have expanded my vocabulary and thus enhanced my quality of life.

Elmer

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 06:01 PM

(Me too Mooh)

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 05:29 AM

That's a-creed then?

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: GUEST,jOhn
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 01:22 PM

Paul Burk-Waht you talking in foreign for then?

Subject: RE: BS: Wahts a creed?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 07:05 PM

I liked Apollo Creed. Didn't Mr T play him and Sylvester Stalone knocked seven shades of shit out of him? Or was he the Russian bloke? Whoever it was I liked him. He's the Creed for me...

:D (tG)