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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Shanghaiceltic Date: 07 Nov 05 - 06:47 PM The Guinness in the Blarney Stone was imported from Malaysia but they had a lot of complaints so changed to the original stuff from St. James's Gate, much better. I prefer Beamish if I can get it. There are a few pubs here that stock it. |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Cluin Date: 07 Nov 05 - 06:29 PM They pee in the stuff exported. Sorry, but that's tradition. Can't mess with it. |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Peace Date: 07 Nov 05 - 06:21 PM "Watered-down weasel-piss Martin, as is all American so-called 'beer'. Complete, utter, frozen-water, tasteless shite." I agree. But then, the first dozen always tastes that way. |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Clinton Hammond Date: 07 Nov 05 - 01:28 PM The best pint of Guinness I've had was from my keg in my basement.... |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Raggytash Date: 07 Nov 05 - 01:17 PM Wolfgang, I don't know where your Guinness come from now, but it is not London, the Park Royal Brewery there closed in the summer http://www.ivo.se/guinness/faq.html Stigweird You may find something on this to answer your original question |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: GUEST,cookieless Folkiedave Date: 07 Nov 05 - 01:16 PM Wolfgang, I note you say the ingredients COULD be different. Any evidence that they are? I am not convinced. I believe it is the same stuff and it still tastes equally "whatever" wherever it is drunk. (And I do not include the bottled stuff and certainly not the stuff brewed in Nigeria. As for American beer - I subscribe normally to the above prejudices. I used to believe "Why is American beer served so cold? To distinguish it from Gnat´s piss!" Having said that - I visited Oregon and was pleasantly surprised by the range and quality of the craft brewers there. Wolfgang makes a suggestion that the ingredients are different for the UK and Ireland. Does anyone know that this is so? And then people will say the Guinness at (e.g. Fagan´s/Dog and Partridge in Sheffield) is better than anywhere else. Likewise the Irish will make a name for particular bars having better Guinness than others. If so why? Personally I can´t see it. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Don Firth Date: 07 Nov 05 - 01:16 PM From "The Red Green Show" (originates in Toronto): The Word Game. Red was giving the clues as usual, and I can't remember now who was trying to guess the secret word, but I think it was Harold. The secret word was "water." Red: This is something you drink.Most American mass-produced beer should be poured back into the horse. But some of the micro-breweries are turning out some really good stuff. Red Hook brewery in Seattle is pretty good. My current favorite is Moose Drool (I'm not kidding! That's what's on the label!), put out by a micro-brewery in Montana. A good, robust, dark beer. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 07 Nov 05 - 12:15 PM Watered-down weasel-piss Martin, as is all American so-called 'beer'. Complete, utter, frozen-water, tasteless shite. S:0) |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 07 Nov 05 - 12:05 PM Drink American beer like Old Style. right out of the Midwest. |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Wolfgang Date: 07 Nov 05 - 10:56 AM Even if the Guinness served in Britain is brewed in Dublin, the ingredients could be different (for instance for legal reasons). Last time I tried (about a year ago) the Guinness in Britain still was undrinkable. The Guinness in Ireland, however, I like. With rare exceptions, the Guinness we get over here is the British Guinness. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: GUEST Date: 07 Nov 05 - 10:39 AM So far it seems that the answer to my original question is the landlord can do nothing much to alter the taste of a pint of Draught Guinness. I am a great fan of bottled stout and so on and of course other breweries make excellent draught stouts and porters. I refer to the exquisitely named "Dorothy Goodbody´s" for one!! And whilst I am happy to defend real ale etc. that wasn´t really the reason for this post and deserves a different thread if there has not already been one. It is simply this genuflection (almost) to Draught Guinness, and this idea that there are fine nuances between the various pubs that serve and sell it. Especially since it is all brewed in the same place and is designed (presumably) to travel. Dave |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Dave Hanson Date: 07 Nov 05 - 10:25 AM I like it but it's still nitrokeg, just got more flavour than the rest. eric |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Peace Date: 07 Nov 05 - 09:39 AM Draught Guinness, not Soldiers! |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: mooman Date: 07 Nov 05 - 09:38 AM That's changed then since I last had a Guinness in the UK. I must try another next time I'm over to see if it's improved. Peace moo |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: JennyO Date: 07 Nov 05 - 09:07 AM I had a Smithwicks thrust upon me in a pub in Dublin 10 years ago - nasty stuff. As quick as I could, I ordered a Guinness, which was what I had really wanted in the first place. It was the best Guinness I had ever had. I don't know if they still sell Smithwicks, but if they don't, it will be no great loss. |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Stu Date: 07 Nov 05 - 08:47 AM Thanks for the heads up on the fact all UK Guinness is now brewed in Dublin. I stopped drinking the stuff ages ago as I moved onto real ale, but may try a pint in the session on Friday night and see how it is. Smooth flow bitters are indeed to be avoided at all costs - they are insipid imitations of the real thing. The Salopian brewing Company also do a superb 5% porter called 'Entire' that is excellent, all though too strong for a session beer for me. I was in South-West Ireland once when we went into a bar in Kenmare where there was a Murphy's promotional night going on, and they were giving the beer away free. Suffice to say it doesn't get much better than that. |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 07 Nov 05 - 08:33 AM I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly I must learn to spell disillusion correctly |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 07 Nov 05 - 08:29 AM Sorry to disillsion you lad's but all Guinnes sold in the UK is now brewed in Dublin and has been for some months |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Leadfingers Date: 07 Nov 05 - 08:04 AM Point of interest - ALL Guiness sold in UK is now brewed in Dublin so its only the way its served (and the cleanliness of the pipes) that will make any difference ! I am also a 'Real Ale' man , but will cheerfully drink Guiness instead of any of the (usually) revolting 'smooth flow' bitters that are currently so popular in some pubs ! |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: mooman Date: 07 Nov 05 - 07:56 AM Interestingly, I prefer Murphy's myself although the company of musos I play with consider this to be a sacrilege ("Guinness Light" being one of the kinder terms!) Peace moo |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Paul Burke Date: 07 Nov 05 - 07:52 AM It's been served far too cold for over 30 years now, but, seriously, in Ireland they'll drink almost anything. Do they still serve that horrible Smithwick's that was passed off as bitter back then? Or the "Bass" that tasted like soap and vinegar? I used to reckon Murphy's to be kinder on the palate, and Beamish as rather thin and acidic. I think a century of clever advertising has made Guinness and Irish culture almost synonymous, even in their own eyes, but I haven't drunk the stuff myself for years, at least when an alternative is available. |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: mooman Date: 07 Nov 05 - 07:43 AM The UK Guinness bears no comparison to the real thing. However, it does seem that some pubs serve a "better" pint of it. I think someone at Edinburgh University published some research on this! Peace moo |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Stu Date: 07 Nov 05 - 07:38 AM Good point Folkiedave, although I count myself as a real ale man but never considered Guinness as being keg. In reality it is difficult to get a decent pint of Guinness outside Ireland. All the other stuff is brewed under licence and this makes a difference to the flavour of the beer. There are plenty of stouts, porters or entires that are brewed by small breweries that are a much better pint than Guinness. Try Titanic Stout - deep roasted malt flavours with a bitter hoppy taste in the mouth and a deep, dark complex finish that reminded me of coffee and plain chocolate. |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: MartinRyan Date: 07 Nov 05 - 07:28 AM Defintely too cold in most places. Some pubs still keep a "soft" tap with a slightly higher temp. This improves things - but not an awful lot, I'm afraid. It takes longer to settle so the barman's default position is to ignore it! Regards |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 07 Nov 05 - 07:24 AM The way the Guinness is served does I believe have a bearing on the final product, if (as often happens in England) the glass is stuck under the tap and the Guinness poured from a height until the glass is full the pint you get does not seem to be as good as when the glass is filled properly as per the Guinness method, tilt glass hold up to tap 3/4 fill glass allow the settle top up by pushing the tap away from the bar staff, allow to settle before consuming. Having drunk more than one pint of Guinness on both sides of the Irish sea, there is definitely a difference even now it is all brewed in Dublin. It may be the pressure in the barrels differ from one county to another, a rumour I had heard before today. |
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Subject: RE: Draught Guinness From: Paco Rabanne Date: 07 Nov 05 - 06:43 AM I prefer a 1997 Rioja myself. |
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Subject: Draught Guinness- Just another Keg Beer? From: GUEST,Folkiedave (still cookieless) Date: 07 Nov 05 - 06:36 AM In another thread, Magician has written "best Guinness outside of......." etc. I was going to question this anyway but decided to start another thread. I know some folkies rave over Draught Guinness but how can a landlord make a difference to a pint of Guinness if they keep it at the correct temperature and keep the pipes clean? Surely it comes in sealed metal bins? No need to store it correctly for example. No need to tap and spile it. No need to do anything really. My position is that so-called Draught Guinness is really a (mostly overpriced) keg beer, (generally) served far too cold which all self-respecting people would treat with contempt. It would not sell if it were called Keg Guinness. And of course it is one of the most heavily advertised products I know. |
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