Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)

Subject: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 12:31 PM

From BBC website:

KATHRYN TICKELL ON CHANNEL FIVE [08/03/06]
Channel 5 has commissioned a programme featuring Northumbrian musician Kathryn Tickell, as part of its FiveArts Cities series. Kathryn examines the influences on her music as she travels through her native Northumberland, contrasting the incredible scenery with the grit and urban edge of NewcastleGateshead. Fellow musician and collaborator Sting gives an insight to the influences of the area on the pair's music, which now influences a new generation. Titled 'Kathryn Tickell's Northumbria', the programme will be shown on Tuesday 14th March at 19.15.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 12:50 PM

Thank you, she is very talented and good looking, I'll be in the UK on the 14th so I can watch it.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 01:34 PM

Thanks for the tip off Dazbo
I will make sure I don't miss it.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Shields Folk
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 02:39 PM

If there is one thing that is likely to pee me of it is NewcastleGateshead. Gateshead is the arse end of the earth and exists only because it is opposite Newcastle on the Tyne. The one thing that prevented Newcastle winning the european city of culture bid was attaching Gateshead as an equal partner.

There you go, rant over.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 03:45 PM

I can't help wondering if it will attract a whole new audience to folk music. The sort who would think Kathryn Tickles Northumbria is a sequel to Debby Does Dallas! ;@)
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 09 Mar 06 - 03:49 PM

Geoff go and take a cold shower.NOW!
How dare you insult our queen,you mucky duck.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: shepherdlass
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 04:49 AM

Thanks for letting us know about this.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Northerner
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 04:57 AM

Thank you! I'll try to remember to watch this!

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 06:06 AM

Raa! I am at the Sage (in Gateshead; Shields Folk, note) on Tuesday nights - being tutored in melodeon by her melodeon player at that :-) I shall have to figure out our new video and see if I have a blank video cassette somewhere.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 06:39 AM

Kathryn's well-worth-a-visit homesite:www.kathryntickell.com

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 06:47 AM

Fab. Well spotted!

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Compton
Date: 10 Mar 06 - 08:44 PM

Fingers crossed it willbe a lot better tahan was served up to us in Folk Brittania!

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 02:25 AM

Yes indeed Compton, but how ironic would it be if Channel 5 produced something of greater cultural merit than BBC 4 managed?

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 07:42 AM

And watch out for the excellent guitar player, Ian Stephenson, himself a mudcatter.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 08:27 AM

Shields Folk your loathing of Gateshead couldn't have anything to do with the tangled history of football between South Shields and that town?
Sorry to drift off the topic - it's great news and should be a good programme!

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST,Candide
Date: 11 Mar 06 - 01:59 PM

I'm coming as well as Dave because she is vey vey nice.
Ted do you know a lot about Piping?

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 03:31 AM

Yes I am the acknowledged expert on NSP in East Yorkshire. In fact I give lessons to a young piper in The Woolpack in Beverley every tuesday night.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Shiplap Structure3
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 03:48 AM

Dear Teacher Ted

You really must chastise your Tuesday student for forsaking Nsp in favour of playing those squellian pipes and he can never remember the names of the tunes. A tap on the legs with a ruler in the time honoured way would probably do the trick (and leave no permanent marks)Are you wearing your motar board and gown on Tues?

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Gedpipes
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 06:03 AM

perverted barstands

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: fat B****rd
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 01:58 PM

Thank you. I shall be taping the lady. Sorry, I shall be recording the programme.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Shields Folk
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 03:27 PM

South Shields, SOUTH SHIELDS!

Born and bred in Northumberland me marra!

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Gedpipes
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 05:34 AM

could have been worse you could have been born ......

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Pied Piper
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 05:44 AM

I cani tek all this fooball Bollox, had away and shite man.

PP

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 05:49 AM

Has Kathryn Tickell signed for the Toon ?!?

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 07:37 AM

Well they could certainly do with a decent centre half

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 07:48 AM

Looking forward to tonights programme

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 01:53 PM

Just a reminder this is on shortly.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Rasener
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:34 PM

I am watching it now. For once my daughter actually did something really good. She came running downstairs and said "Dad theres some folk music on. :-)

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Scooby Doo
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:58 PM

What an enjoyable programme.I like Kathryn even more now .
Scooby.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: andrewq
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 03:01 PM

Wonderful stuff. Completely unpretentious and inspiring.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Brakn
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 03:11 PM

Wish I had recorded it!

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 03:22 PM

I loved it. The extraordinary vitality of this amazing woman's music animated me to a degree that televised music very rarely does.
I had to stifle the urge to dance round the room with sheer joy.
The beauty of rural Northumberland was captured perfectly.
The music was joyous,a great deal was said without a word being wasted.
Two minor criticisms - Mr Sting was being very effusive about his pride in the people of the North East, fair enough but on other occassions he has been extremely condemnatory on the same subject.
Secondly I don't think it was strictly necessary to have a Northumbrian poet subtitled.It's not a foreign language.
Those minor quibbles to one side this was a televisual feast.
Hope it's repeated soon!

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 03:25 PM

much better and more enthusiatic contempory presentation
than the lifeless stodge BBC4 is serving up;

compared to this,
the BBC seems to regard its folk programming as a chore
to fulill its 'obligations' to appease,
what some marketing exec. twat would consider to be,
a 'conservative middle-aged/upper-middle class folkie demographic'..

what us ..?!!


so.. channel 5.. the new hope for folk TV ???!!!

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Forsh
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 03:36 PM

Was she around in the 70's? :-)
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Forsh

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 03:41 PM

She wasn't a child of the Seventies but she was a child in the seventies.
Qualifies in my book.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 04:10 PM

Wonderful views of Northumberland, a lot of sense spoken about the music and the music its self was excellent. Well done C5
Sorry (North) Shields Folk my mistake; in which case why do you have an axe to grind against Gateshead?

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Shields Folk
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 04:40 PM

I don't have an axe to grind against Gateshead. What irritated me was the whole NewcastleGateshead city of culture bid. Apart from a couple of new buildings on the quayside there isn't a lot in Gateshead. Certainly not enough to make it a 'city of culture'.
It could of just as well been part of a Newcastle bid . The bid drew on the culture of the whole of North East. Newcastle is the natural cultural hub of the area.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: r.padgett
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 04:52 PM

Loved every minute of it!
and I'm from Yorkshire ~ I applaud the passing on of such musicianship to all

Good luck to Kathryn, Ali, Sting and all for all their efforts which continues to perpetuate traditional music whether it's from Northumberia or England!

Ray

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 05:19 PM

Excellent stuff indeed - And I did record it:-)

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST,Eye Lander
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 05:25 PM

Wow what a lovely programme. The bit I loved best was seeing Kathryn teaching middle school children to play the violin by ear and only giving them 'the dots'to take home as a by the by, saying that it's much better to learn by ear.

Here I am struggling to learn the concertina by reading the dots! I only wish I shared their ability to learn by ear.   Kathryn has a wonderful gift and the fact that she is sharing it with our future is just brilliant.

Jillie

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Compton
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 07:47 PM

Well...good on Channel Five...a sympathetic handling of folk music..with no hint of trendiness that BBC churned out. Hope all input to the broadcaster is positive, and they might put something else like that on....Mind you was it commisioned or was it flogged by the production company to anyone that would pay for it? (or is that being cynical? After all the programme didn't cost too much, figuratively!

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 08:55 PM

Yes I agree with everyone else, Kathryn and Alastair Anderson certainly have the "spirit" in them.
No self promotion, and did anyone notice how their eyes shone when they spoke of their relationship to the music and their desire to instill into young people that folk music is something to be enjoyed..something to bring people together and nothing at all to do with celebrity.
Whaty a refreshed contrast to the exclusive stuff produced in the "Daughter of Albion" cocert.....Ake

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST,melodeonboy
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:02 PM

My one gripe about the programme (and it is a small gripe as he was, thankfully, only on for a short time) is that they found it necessary to include a "celebrity" (i.e. Sting) on the programme.

In general, I have to say that I found the programme uplifting. One very important point that Kathryn made was that the children needed a context in which to play; and as we saw in some of those sessions, young people were being enthused about traditional music by playing it with their contemporaries at week/weekend sessions as well as playing it with their school mates. I thought those group sessions were marvellous. Full marks to Kathryn Tickell and Alistair Anderson.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Flash Company
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 10:23 AM

Great programme! As melodeonboy says, tho, pity about Sting. How can you enthuse about the place you were born from your home in Wiltshire?
Kathryn and the kids were marvelous though. I remember one of my own favorite folk moments was teaching a bunch of Girl Guides that they did know some Folk Music. A receptive group of children are probably the best audience you can get.

FC

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: shepherdlass
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 10:23 AM

Wasn't it fantastic? And how good to see the kids in Rothbury and Folkestra. Tradition in action.

There were a few little bits of commentary that I thought were slightly over-romanticized and a bit heavy on the rural isolation, but, bloody hell, overall this was a really refreshing programme.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: vectis
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 10:29 AM

Fantastic. The first time I've seen her. Maybe we should all write to Channel 5 and say we want more of the same?

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Tootler
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 11:05 AM

Excellent programme. I was surprised how many of the tunes I knew or had heard. I can see my weekly trips to Caedmon Folk at Gateshead have infected me with quite a lot of Northumbrian Repertoire

Vectis, if you want to hear I can recommend her albums. "On Keilder Side" and "Northumbrian Collection" are my personal favourites.

Shields Folk, your last posting illustrates what many from elsewhere in the region resent about some from Newcastle. It's something of a mini Londoncentric mentality - a tendency to forget that there is more than Newcastle to North East England. Your dismissive attitude to Gateshead typifies that outlook.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 11:26 AM

What a refreshing little programme.How different to the stodgy 'old guard' stuff produced by our own dear BBC.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Mo the caller
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 11:57 AM

I remember her being appointed piper to the mayor (sherriff? lord-hi-wotsit?)of Newcastle at a very young age. That was only yesterday (what, 20 years ago, it can't be).
What was the name of that young fiddler who we'll have to look out for next.
Good to see things being passed on.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: shepherdlass
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 01:08 PM

I THINK I caught the young fiddler's first name as Charlotte???.   This programme really showed the generational transmission of this music - from Joe Hutton, Will Taylor and Will Atkinson through Alistair to Kathryn to young Charlotte and the rest - that mostly eluded Folk Britannia.

Vectis - to add to the recommended albums by KT, the first one that gave the band equal billing (the CD is called simply the Kathryn Tickell Band) is full of great playing and sheer verve. The Debateable Lands and Back to the Hills are also really good. And if this show's awakened an interest in the smallpipes, you could also check out recordings by Pauline Cato or Chris Ormston, both of whom have different styles to Kathryn Tickell but are excellent as well.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: BB
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 02:17 PM

Just a delight from start to finish! And Sting's name may have drawn people in to watch it who wouldn't otherwise have done so, so don't knock his inclusion. It was most unexpected to find the whole thing on Channel 5.

I already knew it was on from the thread here, but like Villan, my daughter rang me to let me know it was on - we must have done something right in their upbringing!

Kathryn's comment about being able to do things with traditional music without damaging it is much the same as Carthy has said, but unless you've been steeped in the tradition as she has, and to a lesser 'real' extent Martin has, I'm not sure that it's true.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: bazza
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 02:28 PM

What a good programme whatched it all the way through unlike Folk Brittania I fast forwarded most of that.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: fat B****rd
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 03:43 PM

Loved it, especially the band with the saxophone.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Shields Folk
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 03:50 PM

Tootler, I'm not from Newcastle, and tell me that Gateshead isn't a dump (apart from the little bit conected to Newcastle by 7 bridges, that they have thrown millions at!)
I think the Sage is an excellent facillity that serves the whole of the North East well, I like Katherine Tickell think she is doing an cracking job. But the Sage is not Gateshead and Gateshead is not the Sage.

It isn't LiverpoolBirkinhead, ManchesterSalford and it shouldn't be NewcastleGateshead

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Shields Folk
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 03:57 PM

and Gateshead isnt even a city!

NewcastleDurham would have made more sense and that makes no sense at all

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 04:19 PM

Sorry to see so much negative comment about Sting.

I consider him a writer of folk songs and few could deny that he has been influenced by the music.
He has written some of the most beautiful modern songs and I've heard him sing with great emotion about the lives of the mining community...Ake

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Purple Foxx
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 04:35 PM

True enough Ake (& Fields of Gold is yet another song I wish i'd written ) but I did genuinely get the impression that he was using this as a platform & I did genuinely feel that his sincerity about the North East was questionable.
I was convinced of his respect & admiration for Kathryn though.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST,Hootenanny
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 04:40 PM

Sting is a "writer of folk songs" ???????????????, well only in the Big Bill Broonzy sense that you don't hear horses sing them.

It would also have been nice to hear more of Kathryn without the addition of the percussive guitar and vamping box.
Hoot

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Tootler
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 05:18 PM

Just got back from an evening playing classical music with a small group I play regularly with. They saw the programme and commented very favourably on it. Kathryn, as a person, clearly made a very positive impression on them, so it looks as if the programme is having a positive impact beyond the "folkie" world which can only be a good thing.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 05:22 PM

Hoot... Try listening to his ..."We work the black seam"

The folk influence is pretty obvious in most of his songs, Purple foxx mentions "Fields of Gold", but all his popular stuff with the police is full of Folk imagary. Listen carefully to "Every breath you take" and take another look at one of our best folk writers...Ake

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: shepherdlass
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 06:19 PM

Hootenanny - what was wrong with the band? They're fantastically sympathetic players (and real talents in their own right). One of the things that Kathryn T kept stressing in this programme was the importance in this music of being able to enjoy it with your friends. Probably being about one of the few kids in her age group and area who was playing in the 80s might mean she favours the band format!

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: shepherdlass
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 06:24 PM

PS - re Sting. Got to confess to doing "Work the Black Seam" occasionally myself - it's beautiful and touching (though not necessarily in my hands!). Don't know whether it's a folk song, though. And all that worries me about his comments is, if the NE is so close to his heart, why did he move to Wiltshire?

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: melodeonboy
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 07:29 PM

Tell me ake, are you playing devil's advocate or do you really think that our mid-atlantic popster (and poser supreme) Sting is actually a folkie at heart?

I think Sting belongs to the intelligent/calculating end of celebrity culture, i.e. he knows when it's advantageous to hug trees, write "working class" songs or ally himself to "worthy" causes.

No doubt Carthy, Rusby et al will soon be lining up to do their versions of "Message in a bar-tool (Sting's pronunciation, not mine!)".

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 07:44 PM

.. so start a Sting pros & cons thread somewhere else for folks sake !

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 08:23 PM

Guest...Sting contributed to the programme under discussion, so in my opinion its OK to include our thought on his music.

melodeonboy...Anyone who writes songs of the quality that Sting does, is certainly not doing it for effect...Songwriting is an art form and he is an excellent artist.

Why do you think it would be to Stings advantage to ally himself to the ragged arsed remnants of the "Folk revival"

There are a number of good song writers on this forum...I bet you'd be hard pressed to find one who thinks his writing insincere or shallow....Ake

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:35 AM

I notice that Pauline Cato gets a mention somewhere above. Miss Cato has produced a tunebook and two accompanyingy CD's of traditional NSP music, which can be bought from Dave Mallinson's shop at - www.mally.com. A bloody good starting point for new followers of the NSP true path.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: Andy Jackson
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 05:55 AM

1) Can't we ever ave a thread without slagging someone off because you may not anjoy their music as much as others? And what's all this territorial bollo about?
2) I missed the prog but my Eyelander has it recorded for me and I can't wait.
3) Just reading the comments about KT and AAs joy of the music brought tears to my eyes. That is precisely why I run Miskin at Easter. I don't sing good - don't play good, but by 'eck I love the music and the people it attracts. All power to Kathryn, Ali and the many others with the will and the ability to hand our music down to the next generation.

Andy

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: nutty
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 07:10 AM

I seem to remember hearing Sting being interviewed about his 'Folk' roots.
He explained that he had attended a particular folk club in Newcastle (one thats been going since the 60's) but found it impossible to play contepmorary music in such a traditional setting.

Unlike Jez Lowe, he had to take his music elsewhere to achieve acclaim.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST,DaveS at Work
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 07:37 AM

Shepherdlass, maybe like me he had to move away because of his job.LOL

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: shepherdlass
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 10:16 AM

DaveS - yes, maybe it was in the rock star job description. Just, instead of following Normo Tebbs and getting on his bike he got on his executive jet.

Subject: RE: Kathryn Tickell on Channel 5 (UK)
From: GUEST,Eric
Date: 16 Mar 06 - 04:31 PM

Miskin Man said it well. I often drop in to this list and I often go away as every thread seems to have the "we haven't slagged anyone off for a while so who's next" section.
I taped and watched the programme. Beautiful camera work, good tunes [though my preference is for words] and Kathryn T came across very well though I have to say I thought bits of it a little contrived - but that didn't detract from the enjoyment.

Eric