BS: Congress Celebrate's Iraq's 2nd Victory

Subject: BS: Congress Celebrate's Iraq's 2nd Victory
From: Barry Finn
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 01:08 AM

Seems that the news is just in this evening that a republican buffoon, a Congressman I think he's from Kentucky, put a bill through that sets aside 20 million for a Victory Iraq & Afghanistan celebration to be held in Washington DC in the hopes that this will soon be a reality & if not soon enough the bill provides the money to be rolled over into 2007.

"WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING"

It's gotta be some kind of joke right? Nope, no joke. I can't believe this. Are the republicans trying to sink their own ship or did they think no one would take notice until after the elections. Are they choking on the whole process, they're falling apart at the seams, it's a good thing but what gives.
The Iraqi police are now helping the insurgency, the heroin trade in a blooming business in Afghanistan, terrorist camps are the field crop in the mid east & they're growing rapidly, Iraq is on the brink of civil war & in both places they're kicking our asses.

"IT COULDN"T BE WORST"

So who's the idiot's in the houses that past this? Did they not read the whole page before passing it, was it hidden in the small print,
was it a late nite session after all he dems went home or were they steam rolled over & the next day just kept their mouths shut? Did the news media decide this bill wasn't a newsworthy item, was it done by secret ballot only a select few knew about it? What the hell happened & who did they think they're kidding?

I'm at a loss to try & comprehend the logic of what our political reprehensive representatives are doing & thinking. Even when one cannot think or act & just go into a coma for 7 to 500,000 minutes they can't just make a mistake like this, it's just not possible. Sure, start an illegal war, take basic human & civil rights away even tell the UN to bugger off & ask them to clean up our mess & then to even go as far to shout from the deck of an aircraft carrier "Mission Ass." even Condi's Madonna tour to the mid-east but this, tell me it's a national fool's day celebration, please!!

OK, it's true I don't like Bush & his Rummy Cartel but can you blame me.

Bewilder Barry

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2006/10/04/a2.nat.warparade.1004.p1.php?section=nation_world

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/04/congress.iraq.ap/

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/287510_accounted.html

Subject: RE: BS: Congress Celebrate's Iraq's 2nd Victory
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 10:55 AM

Barry, Barry, you're allowing fact and logic to interfere with your thought processes. You have to let go of all that.

The BuShites never let it influence them.

Subject: RE: BS: Congress Celebrate's Iraq's 2nd Victory
From: Peace
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 11:02 AM

The US Congress: A benevolent old asylum for the helpless.

Mark Twain saw it over 100 years ago. DING DING DING.

You have the opportunity to get rid of the bastards and replace them with new bastards. Good luck!

Subject: RE: BS: Congress Celebrate's Iraq's 2nd Victory
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 07:33 PM

While the new Iraqi Army has been developing nicely, the national police remain mired in corruption, brutality, and sectarianism. These are traditional ills in Iraq, and most of the Middle East for that matter. But they are also major obstacles to suppressing the terrorist organizations, since effective police work is at least as important as capable military operations. Efforts are underway to improve training, pay, and leadership. Some police units are being disbanded, when the leadership of the unit has been found totally inadequate. This is all a result of the Sunni Arab monopoly on military and police commands when Saddam was in power. Saddam only trusted Sunni Arabs, and few Kurds or Shia Arabs got senior police posts. Because of this, the new government had to start from scratch in building new leadership for the new army and police. This effort was more successful with the army. Many of the new police commanders were more loyal to their tribes, or their own financial success, than to their police responsibilities.

Anbar and the Wild West. The recent pact between the government and local leaders that established "Anbar Tribal Sheiks Council" (ATSC) is beginning to pay off. A number of tribal leaders have agreed to initiate routine patrols of roads in the province, to supplement government military and police patrols. The patrols will help reduce insurgent attacks on road traffic, which will lead to an improved economic situation in the province. In addition, by increasing the number of security personnel, and the number of check points, the tribal patrols will impede terrorist movements. Since the terrorism activity in Anbar is not almost completely dominated by Al Qaeda (viewed as "foreigners" by the locals), this will have a serious impact on the security situation there. Naturally, al Qaeda action against the ATSC is expected. It will probably come in the form of assassination attempts against prominent sheiks or members of their families. This may turn out to be counter-productive, since vengeance is an ancient tribal tradition. In the past, al Qaeda has been driven from many areas in central Iraq, when the terrorists sought to terrorize tribes with the assassination of tribal leaders. There are over a hundred functioning tribal organizations in Iraq, and al Qaeda now has the support of less than a dozen.

Why is there peace and prosperity in the north, and why doesn't anyone talk about it? Actually, the economy is booming in the Shia Arab south as well, but there is also some violence down there. But nearly all the violence you hear about in Iraq is in Sunni Arab areas of central Iraq. Meanwhile, the north is so peaceful that Western journalists, and just about anyone else, can move about freely, without fear of attack. How can this be? Well, for one thing, the Kurds have tight controls on their borders, and any Arabs entering are checked carefully. Arab Iraqis are welcome to visit, and many do, for vacations from the violence in the south. When asked, Kurds attribute their peaceful neighborhood to the fact that Kurds are not Arabs. But this is not the main reason, for the Kurds have, in the past, been as factious and violent as the Iraqi Arabs are now. But during the 1990s, when the U.S. and Britain agreed to keep Saddam's forces out of the north (to prevent another large scale massacre of Kurds), the Kurds sorted out their differences and learned the benefits of cooperation and law and order. In effect, the Kurds had a ten year head start on the rest of Iraq, in the "how to create peace and democracy" department. The Iraqi Arabs, Sunni and Shia, who come north on business, or for a vacation, note this. The Arabs believe they are superior to the Kurds ("a bunch of hillbillies," to most Arabs), and find it irritating that the Kurds have made things work, while down south, especially in central Iraq, things are still a mess. Given another seven years, the Iraqi Arabs will probably catch up. But this is not a popular solution to the "Iraq problem," and no career-conscious journalist is going to talk about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Congress Celebrate's Iraq's 2nd Victory
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 07:44 PM

Two words: tax aviodance... I'm gettin' a little tired of workin' heard for these crooks to use my dough for their little circle-jerks...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Congress Celebrate's Iraq's 2nd Victory
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 07:58 PM

"While the new Iraqi Army has been developing nicely..." And where does this 'fact' come from? It ain't so, according to a newly state-side wounded soldier I know. He says that when they and the Americans are out on patrol, entering homes and questioning families, the Iraqi Army stands back- they say, hey, we ain't going in there.

Subject: RE: BS: Congress Celebrate's Iraq's 2nd Victory
From: GUEST,282RA
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 08:16 PM

I say the pubs be forced to use that money to finance a party after Nov 7, if they lose. There will be party centers set up in every major city and people can go in and get free beer, pizza, one of those gigantic Italian subs, dogs with chili or relish, pop, chips, sliders, champagne and a big fucking frosted, multicolored, utterly festive-looking 6-layer cake. Hell, we'll have a hot stripper in a g-string jump out of it.

The leading pubs of that state will have to show up in shifts to lead rousing choruses of "Happy Days Are Here Again" while wearing stupid-looking "KICK ME!" signs on their fat arses. And then stick their mugs through holes in a wooden partition where patrons may line up and throw water balloons filled with ugly hair dye and whatever else you can sneak in to hurl.

After this, they pass out the checks--all your tax money returned since this war started along with deepest apologies for having misspent it.

Then they clean it up when the party's over and send each of a thank you note for the wonderful they had.

That's the smartest $20 million this administration will have ever spent.

Subject: RE: BS: Congress Celebrate's Iraq's 2nd Victory
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:16 PM

Kurds' success is not quite that simple, Dave. Since the first Gulf war, the US has been supplying them with virtually anything they desire--and guaranteeing their security against Saddam. Not entirely for altruistic reasons--"Kurdistan", amply supplied with oil, is the the US fall-back position for oil if the rest of Iraq turns completely hostile.

However there's also a sizable downside now to "Kurdistan"'s" de facto independence. It's gone so far now that the Iraqi flag is banned there--only the Kurdish flag. And they threaten de jure independence if the Baghdad government tries to revoke the oil deals they have made-- made without the approval of that government.

So basically "Kurdistan" is no longer part of Iraq--it was actually added in the 20's artificially anyway--to try to balance the Shiite majority.

And the question becomes: how far will the Shiite south seek to emulate this?

Subject: RE: BS: Congress Celebrate's Iraq's 2nd Victory
From: Ron Davies
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:23 PM

And, as I've said before, if the Shiite south does push to do this, look for a dramatic worsening of the civil war--the Sunnis (and mixed-group Baghdad)--know that their region has far less oil than the other 2--and need more of an oil allocation than their own resources would give them.