BS: Iceland and whale hunting

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Peace
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 10:16 AM

Yeah. When species are hunted to extinction or beyond their ability to reproduce it tends to bother some people. We are stewards here, not owners.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: GUEST,Icelander
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 09:17 AM

Hi again, I'm not monitoring the web, I just googled "iceland whale hunting" as I was curious to what I would find.

The 60% and 40% is from ruv.is a survey made by Gallup.
http://www.ruv.is/heim/frettir/frett/store64/item87160/

It's here in icelandic
Gallup: Flestir hlynntir hvalveiðum

Rúmlega 73% Íslendinga eru fylgjandi hvalveiðum í atvinnuskyni en 11,5% eru mótfallin þeim. Þetta kemur fram í nýrri könnun Gallups, sem unnin var fyrir LÍU. Þá sýnir könnunin að tæp 73% þeirra sem farið hafa í hvalaskoðun, eru fylgjandi hvalveiðum.

Jón Gunnarsson, formaður Sjávarnytja, kallar á málefnalega umræðu um staðreyndir við Samtök ferðaþjónustunnar, sem lengi hafa barist gegn hvalveiðum.
« Til baka

It pretty much reads:
Over 73% of Icelandic people follow hunting whales, but 11,5% opose.
The survey also shows that 73% of those who have gone whale looking, support hunting whales.

Skarpi wrote that the whale was narrow, beause of food in the ocean not being enough. Whales eat by swimming with their mouth open, filling it with sea and then pushing the, water out leaving the food left inside to swallow. Icelandic fishermen have said for some years that whales are eating themselves off. Icelandic sea birds have for that last years not been able to feed themselves and their young, this is believed to be beacause the lack of food for them. They feed on the same food as whales.

I was not expecting this interest in my writing, but I just wanted to add another point of view, the whale debate has a tendance to be a bit to one side.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Fiolar
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 08:45 AM

Perhaps some radio station should beam that marvellous, great and terribly sad song "I am the Last of the Great Whales" sung by Sean Cannon at Iceland. It always brings tears to my eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 02:46 AM

and I forgot, 60% of the Icelanders support whaleing ? havent seen that
it may be right /or wrong I have to look for it , in any cany case
this is wrong we should stopp this kiling . The whale that came on land
yesterday is so narrow that we cant even eat the meat? why narrow
must means that the food in the ocean is not enough?

All the best SkarpiIceland.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Oct 06 - 02:27 AM

Peace If we are gonna" Stop ruining the world my kids have to live in."
well then no computer cames , no tv , and start with stopping the US
and armed forces in Iraq and around the world Killing humans .

All the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 11:43 PM

"...but the US has hunted whales for many years in the pacific, they still hunt them." Guest/Icelander

Truthfully, although the US doesn't hunt whale - to my knowledge - they do allow the Inuit to take a certain number each year. I think it is three whales for their villages, although there are years that they don't 'collect' that many.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Barry Finn
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 05:29 PM

Well it seems as if there adifferent opinions from one Icelander to another from what I'm reading on this thread. Skarpi's already laid out a pretty fair view of how people view whale hunting in Iceland & it sounds logical to me, it's usually the case of governments doing as they please without the will of the people behind them. If GuestIcelander would like to show something that backs up his/her claim I'd like to see it. But I'm already thrown off by one statement that "the US has hunted whales for many years in the pacific". I can find fault with plenty that my country does but it does not suffer whale hunting in any waters. Unless GuestIcelander is going back the 1850's? Also the statement that "these (Fin) whales are not endangered, according to research", they are on the endangered list & research or no research, nothing changes that. They are an endangered species. When I lived in Hawaii I'd see plenty of Sperm & Humpback whales that doesn't give evidence that they're endangered or not nor does seeing herds in the North Alantic, science has comme a long way from using that kind of logic, thank heavens.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Peace
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 05:05 PM

I hear THAT, Mick.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 05:02 PM

I quite agree, but I am a bit more cynical than you. I suspect that post came from someone with an agenda who is monitoring the web for this stuff. We will see if s/he comes back.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Peace
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 04:51 PM

Gratuitous or not (and I suspect that those figures may not be totally accurate), I do not give a rat's ass who on this planet thinks he or she has a right to hunt creatures whose very existence is precarious. We do NOT have that right. That post by the guy rings of, "I can do whatever I want to this planet and fuck the consequences." Well, NO you CAN'T. Get civilized fer krissake. Stop ruining the world my kids have to live in.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 04:47 PM

I would like a source on the contention that 60% of Icelanders support whaling. Otherwise it is simply a gratuitous assertion.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 04:34 PM

" hoped it would be an intelligent discussion"
On Mudcat?? HA!

There is ZERO good reason to hunt whale...

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Sorcha
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 04:30 PM

A beautiful SENTIENT creature with language!

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Peace
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 04:24 PM

I haven't heard anything in response to either e-mail.

"Fact: 60% of Icelandic people support whaling. 40% do not."

That don't matter shit. What matters is that you are helping to kill off a beautiful creature. Put something else on your bloody barbeque.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 04:14 PM

Well they caught their first one today.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: GUEST,Icelander
Date: 22 Oct 06 - 04:09 PM

Hi, I have been reading this thread, and it's most interesting. However I would like to add a few things. To start with the meat from the whales that were hunted last year, there is nothing left of it.

Fact: 60% of Icelandic people support whaling. 40% do not.

The Fin whales and their endangerment. There are many "groups" of them in the sea, in the northen atlandic ocean, in the pacific, india ocean, and more. These whales are not endangered, according to research. If we believed them to be endangered we wouldn't hunt them. (Try coming here and see the whales for yourself, there is plenty of them)

It's also weird that the US gov. doesn't like Icelandic whaling, but the US has hunted whales for many years in the pacific, they still hunt them.   I find this a little sarcastic.

I live in the north part of Iceland, in akureyri, I have eaten whale, it was barbequed and tasted ok. We don't eat it everyday.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: skarpi
Date: 21 Oct 06 - 04:30 AM

Hallo all , No Sorcha 9 whales , and this does not make economic sense
I agree with that I will tell you along agreeing supporting the war
in Iraq and starting whale hunting has been the biggest mistake
this Coverment has ever done .

Thank you Ebbie and Peace I was gonna do that you did for me

this is a sad week for the Icelandic people.

I WISH ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW ALL CRAZY ABOUT THIS WHALE HUNTING
NOW GO CRAZY ABOUT THE KILLING IN IRAQ BECOUSE DONT FORGET THAT
COALITION ARMYS HAVE LIECENCE TO KILL HUMANS, ALL THOUSE WHO ARE DIEING
IN AFRICA BECOUSE OF WAR AND HUNGER ??WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THIS ??
NOTHING OR A LITTLE , WE SHOULD ALL BE A SHAMED

now may god bless you all as I think he will do to me
All the best Skarpi Icealnd

Ps : the whale has not get any whales yet , so I think they are all gone to the south ,

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Sorcha
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 10:31 PM

Skarpi told me today that the boat has gone out with permission to kill 7 whales, but the whales seem to have moved south out of the area. Smart or what? So far, no dead whales from Iceland.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Peace
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 10:20 PM

Some addresses

[e-mail]

Also

Tourist Board

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Peace
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 09:34 PM

So, how many people have sent letters to the Icelandic government regarding the renewal of the hunt?

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 07:22 PM

If Skarpi - and everybody else who despises what the US and the "Coalition" is doing in Iraq - called us 'bastards' and the 'bloody US', I suspect we too would take exception to it. Even when we understand and agree with the sentiment.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Alan Day
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 06:12 PM

What I cannot understand Skarpi is why your goverment would give permission to commence hunting again, as it just does not make economic sense .The Holiday trade consists of people who love Whales so much so they go all the way to Iceland to see them, if they hear that your countrymen are killing them they will keep away.It is crazy.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: skarpi
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 04:38 PM

Dear Paul , this is a independence act of a nation who have through
the centurys got food from the sea , a long long time ago we fished whales
when had feed the nation from hunger along with another food .

We do not get any thing from Japan instead and to think that
the Japan is going to get this meat from 9 whales hahahah its a joke
its a one rich man dream witch is coming through and its strange
there are an election coming up in next may , its also strange
that the whale boat was already gone out before the coverment
told the Icelandic people about this ? is this man putting money in the elecions ? I wonder .. we are not trying to Express the world
we dont need to , and I am against this whale hunting there is no need
for Iceland to do this we will not die from hunger and we dont need
to feed the Japan people do we ?? what we Icelanders do need is
getting this Coverment away in the next election those people
are a bad choice for Iceland. I agree with the statement from Ausralia
about this matter .

Many Icelanders are against this but as always this coverment dont listen to the people . Like the war in Iraq only three man In Iceland
agreed to support the US to go along with it , NOT the Icelandic
nation . As I said WE DONT NEED TO DO THIS AT ALL .

We have a great country , clear and good air many people
from the world coming here and we dont need to make that go away.
For a crazy act small croup of people here in Iceland.

All the best Skarpi ICeland.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Keef
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 05:27 AM

Whale meat again
Don't know where
Don't know when
But I know
Whale meat again
Some sunny day

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Paul Burke
Date: 20 Oct 06 - 03:30 AM

I was hoping that Skarpi could enlighten us about what is the political background to this within Iceland. Why do they WANT to do this? Is it some macho statement, are they trying to express a nationalistic point about traditional culture, have they some trade- off in mind (ok, we'll stop catching whales, what will you give us, like Libya giving up its non-existent nuclear program), are they getting subsidies or trade agreements from Japan in return? Or something else entirely?

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: skarpi
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 04:05 PM

I will Mr ibo ,have a good day as always god be with you
All thebest Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: skarpi
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 03:58 PM

no ibo , I eat whale meat I just dont see the need right
now to fish the whale ? sorry and so you know mr,ibo :>) I am not angry
farawy I can write down what I think but it dos not mean that I am
angry , so I am going to play some music and have some good time .

all the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: skarpi
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 03:42 PM

you will MMario , but I have to say this

I am against the coverments of both UK And USA not the people
of those nations.

All the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: MMario
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 03:40 PM

skarpi - no, I don't think you went over the line - nor really overreacted. You did have a personal reaction to something that offended you - perfectly natural.

Hoping to see you at some future mudgather.

MMario

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: skarpi
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 03:35 PM

I was not gonna come here again , but here I am .
First of all calling us BASTARDS and BLOODY ICELAND did not go well in me

we have nothing do to with whale hunting in Iceland and I am against it
if we had a hunger in Iceland then maybe I would agree but we are not
and they say that they will sell the meat to Japan ??? they fish whales
we dont need to feet them ? I was watching the news just few min ago
and I think everything is going crazy becouse of this and thats good .

Like the guest said we have alot of people coming to Iceland to whalewatching and thats good and I hope they will keep coming
and Icelandic Coverment will stop this , if they dont then there are
an election next may so we can movie this coverment away in that
election.

But I have to say this: both UK and US have a liesence to kill ...
in Iraq humans and what do we do ?? nothing or little and we start killing whales everthing goes crazy .....??????

I am against UK AND USA for being in Iraq and they think they are the world police and I am against
whalehunting but I support whalewatching its great to see this big
whales in the oceans.........:<)

hmmm maybe I have gone over the line ....
then if so then Sorry folks

All the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 03:35 PM

i agreed with you,and then i remambered king kong and changed my mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 01:44 PM

Ironic, isn't it, that the largest creatures on earth are also the gentlest?

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 01:04 PM

And as to the economic tourism question, it is a very good one. In Iceland, the whale watching industry contributes more to the national economy than commercial whaling did before Iceland joined the moratorium in the 1980s.

The Icelandic Fisheries Ministry is also lying about their commercial exploitation intentions by saying they will only do "sustainable harvests" of whale species. Of the 39 permits issued for the hunt, nine of them are for endangered fin whales - proving claims that the hunt is sustainable are not true.

Also, people should realize Iceland has been whale hunting since 2003, under the same ruse the Japanese are using: "scientific" whaling.

There is an excess of unwanted meat in Iceland, Norway and Japan. In Iceland, they haven't even sold the meat from earlier "scientific" hunts. 82.4 percent of Iceland's 16 to 24-year-olds say they never eat whale meat. Not only is there not much of a market for the meat today, but the future for the whale meat market is non-existent both in Iceland and globally.

By catering to this very small, pro-hunt faction in Iceland, the government is risking the wrath of a globally organized tourism boycott of the country.

So why do they bother? Easy: greed. A very small group of men will make a tidy sum, while most Icelanders will be left to suffer the consequences. Just like in the rest of the global capitalist republics in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: ard mhacha
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 12:59 PM

Fair play to you Skarpi.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 11:55 AM

Never a good idea to ask a single person to speak for a nation, regardless of the subject matter. Tokenism doesn't offer much in the way true education or enlightment on a subject.

As to Iceland's decision: I believe we have seen the end of the moratorium on whale hunting. There is a lot of whale hunting starting up again, based upon all that "our father's father's tradition" crap.

It has everything to do with capitalist exploitation of any animal product that can be sold to any idiot on the planet looking to escape their personal lived reality (getting a hard on, having youthful skin, curing cancer, etc etc).

The reality is, there is no need for animal products in consumer goods. None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. The end of the moratorium on whale hunting by ancient whale hunting societies now seeking to exploit the world's capitalist lust and greed for animal products has nothing to do with "tradition" or a chemical requirement for consumer goods that only animal products can supply. It is about greed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: ard mhacha
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 07:39 AM

Fair play to you Skarpi, I hope you are successful in letting your whale hunting countrymen know what the vast majority of Europe thinks of this crime against these beautiful creatures.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Alan Day
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 03:39 AM

Skarpi you are taking this as a personal attack on you ,it is not.If you are also against whaling then you are with us.These postings are aimed at your Goverment for agreeing to such action and unless people raise objections to what they dislike, as you have just done on other things,all of our Goverments ride over us as if we do not exist.By voicing opinions we are a voice for the good and you are included in that voice.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Paul Burke
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 03:32 AM

Yes, I did start this thread, and hoped it would be an intelligent discussion of the issues, not a name calling exercise.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: skarpi
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 02:51 AM

hmmmmm BASTARDS? Bloody Iceland ?? I am hurt thanks Giok and Marks, and by the way its okei for UK to have the sellafield open for nuclear stuff and but out to sea ??and I did not say Bloddy England ? and its okei for US and Canada to fish whales along with
Japan and Norway ........ Just so you know : MOST OFF THE ICELANDIC PEOPLEARE AGAINST WHALE HUNTING,ITS ONLY THE COVERMENT AND SMALL CROUP
OF PEOPLE WHO WILL HAVE A LITTLE WORK FROM THIS FISHING WHO ARE DOING THIS A, and they have the power .........

I AM AGAINST THIS becouse we do not need to fish whales for food
we have enough of other food for the nation .

what ever you think of action of a nation you people in the big world always blame everthing on all the nation , like Icelandic coverment
support war In Iraq? but NOT the Nation not people of Iceland.
And do the Islamic world care about that ?

So if you wanna help us send e-mails to the Icelandics empassy.
There are many angry people here in Iceland now and there are election coming up next year so I will do my best to keep this people away.

I have alway tryed to come and what I feel about thinks
with respect to other people and I always try to think before I speak

You say what will and what you think who cares

I will not come in here again .


all the best Skarpi Icealnd.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: John O'L
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 12:23 AM

Oops. 12.02 was me.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 06 - 12:02 AM

Currently Iceland hunts minkes for "scientific research". The Japanese are great whale scientists too.

I hope that between them both they are able to develop some effective aphrodesiacs. Getting the rhino-horn stuff is almost impossible now.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: GUEST,Marks
Date: 18 Oct 06 - 10:18 PM

What else can you do when you live in bloody Iceland? Its not like they have anything interesting to hunt, like Morris Dancers or Banjo players.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Oct 06 - 09:32 PM

Did you hear about the castaway's diet?

Oh no, it's....

WHale meat again, don't know how, don't know when....

(Ducks)

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Oct 06 - 07:01 PM

If someone discovered a cure for acne that was made of the fins of whales, the ocean would be full of idiots in boats, looking for the last one!
The Japanese will NOT back down...they **want** whales...they think it's their right to **have** whales, even if there is only one left!

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 18 Oct 06 - 06:41 PM

ive never seen whale meat in our local iceland,maybe its all in safeways

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Oct 06 - 06:23 PM

Apparently the only place it can be exported TO is the Faroe Islands.

Not much of a market....

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: Alan Day
Date: 18 Oct 06 - 05:58 PM

It is terrible that these wonderful graceful creatures of this Earth who are so trusting they follow boats ,should be slaughtered.I just cannot watch when the harpoon enters and the sea is turned red.
We move Heaven and Earth if these poor whales enter our rivers to try and save them.
Unite against this killing ,there is no need for it.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Oct 06 - 05:04 PM

Um, guys, our Skarpi hasn't posted to this thread. It was Paul Burke who started it. I will be interested to see how Skarpi feels about it, though. I can't stomach the thought of it, at all, so I hope it is stopped.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 18 Oct 06 - 04:41 PM

I only joke,i love everybody,even people with silly names.

Subject: RE: BS: Iceland and whale hunting
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 18 Oct 06 - 04:39 PM

Well it's a bit juvenile to mock someone when their name has unlooked for associations.