BS: Britain tops the yobs league

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 08:34 AM

this thread is about young people from the most deprived, crime ridden and yob infested parts of Britain.
The ones that joined the army.
It shows that these lads have a much, much, MUCH lower rate of crime than the population of, errr, Northern Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 11:29 AM

It's what I keep saying, Charlotte, but what do I know? I'm just a lying bastard brit that lives here;-)

Oh - and a belated welcome btw - Should have said earlier. Keep treating the posts as a bit of light entertainment and you will soon get the measure of most of the madhouse.

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 11:11 AM

*LOL* Dave....nor me...

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Black Beauty
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 09:23 AM

Very funny D(tG) I had to read all through these to understand what you meant.
I honestly don't think the problems are as bad nationwide as the media makes out.
Their film crews seem to go the worst areas.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 07:27 AM

Oh, and sorry, Charlotte. You can't have had such a night out. Ard Mhacha will call you a liar if you say otherwise. You probably got murdered, raped and sold into slavery. You just didn't notice it.

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 07:25 AM

Nothing pretty or slim about me, mate:-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 03:37 AM

When I was a lad we had Ready Steady Go on the telly every Friday. It put us in a good mood for the weekend. Complete shite nowadays....how many fucking episodes of Murder She Wrote do we have to turn off before they stop putting bollocks like that on the telly. That and Hetty Waithrop disintegrates..... they're ought to be a law against it. I reckon they're all on drugs - these tv producers.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 09:09 PM

Yes Dave, & 2 more Fridays before Christmas, so it looks like the chances of both you & I making it through to the Festive season are pretty slim, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Black Beauty
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 09:02 PM

Murder is a terrible crime. Destruction of peoples property is also a terrible crime. A well maintained fence or treasured statue in a garden may mean as much as an expensive car to someone else. All cause misery when vandalised.

I may not know a lot about the subject here in question.
What I do know is the subject of the debate is a distressing reflection on our society wherever it occurs.

Please stop fighting with each other and set an example that we as responsible adults see our own faults first before we judge others.

I am 26 years old and just in from a wonderful night out with friends and we came home peacefully.

Thank you
Charlotte

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 05:41 PM

There are indeed murders in every city every week in the UK. Last year there were over 850. I am realy surprised that they are all on a Friday night. But it must be true because a Henley shopkeeper said so in a newspaper. You learn something new every day...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 05:00 PM

A 17 years old youth was arrested today after a man in his 40s was kicked to death by a gang in Henley on Thames, a shopkeeper said that there was a CCTV trained on the spot were the murder took place, he also added that this sort of thing happens in every town on a Friday night, Henley is no different.

The man is talking rubbish, well according to some of our contributors on this Thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Black Beauty
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 10:34 AM

Yes we girls are worse when we're on the lash. You guys just love it though.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 06:04 PM

And heading back, new round of holidays starting again !

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 03:31 PM

Sunhouse? In England? You've been in Spain too long Divis!

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 02:24 PM

Changed times from afternoon tea and crumpets in the sunhouse ard.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 01:44 PM

I seen that BBC News item it was called "on the lash" demure English ladies fighting like wildcats.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 01:32 PM

Nothing new there then - Men have been terrified of women for years!

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 01:29 PM

Ah thought some of you would have recognised my cynicism in the above. Did you watch last nights television news on the subject ? Read the B.B.C. on line news story "the lash" about women drinkers in England. Barmen are terrified of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 06:45 PM

Very good Divis.
The message of your piece is that England is too generous to the unemployed, too welcoming to assylum seekers, and too considerate to refugees and ethnic minorities.
Is that the source of our problems divis?

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 05:54 PM

Well, in that case, Good man yerself, Divis:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 05:48 PM

Thanks Dave it was mine, thought my name went in with it. Sorry cookie needed reset.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 04:29 PM

Absolutely brilliant, Guest:-) As well as being funny it also places the blame fair and square where it belongs - Interfering social workers, the press and the government. All the ones that are 'helping' the yobs now;-)
DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 03:03 PM

>>>The squirrel works hard in the withering heat all summer long,
>>>Building and improving his house and laying up supplies for the
>>>winter.
>>>
>>>The Grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and
>>>plays the summer away.
>>>
>>>Come winter, the squirrel is warm and well fed.
>>>
>>>The shivering grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out
>>>in the cold.
>>>
>>>THE BRITISH VERSION:
>>>
>>>The squirrel works hard in the withering heat all summer long,
>>>building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
>>>
>>>The grasshopper thinks he's a fool, and laughs and dances and
>>>plays the summer away.
>>>
>>>Come winter, the squirrel is warm and well fed.
>>>
>>>A social worker finds the shivering grasshopper, calls a press
>>>conference and demands to know why the squirrel should be allowed
>>>to be warm and well fed while others less fortunate, like the
>>>grasshopper, are cold and starving.
>>>
>>>The BBC shows up to provide live coverage of the shivering
>>>grasshopper; with cuts to a video of the squirrel in his
>>>comfortable warm home with a table laden with food.
>>>
>>>The British press informs people that they should be ashamed that
>>>in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to
>>>suffer so while others have plenty.
>>>
>>>The Labour Party, Greenpeace, Animal Rights and The Grasshopper
>>>Council of GB demonstrate in front of the squirrel's house.
>>>
>>>The BBC, interrupting a cultural festival special from Notting
>>>Hill with breaking news, broadcasts a multi cultural choir singing
>>>"We Shall Overcome".
>>>
>>>Ken Livingstone rants in an interview with Trevor McDonald that
>>>the squirrel has gotten rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and
>>>calls for an immediate tax hike on the squirrel to make him pay his
>>>"fair share" and increases the charge for squirrels to enter Inner
>>>London.
>>>
>>>In response to pressure from the media, the Government drafts the
>>>Economic Equity and Grasshopper Anti Discrimination Act,
>>>retroactive to the beginning of the summer.
>>>
>>>The squirrel's taxes are reassessed.
>>>
>>>He is taken to court and fined for failing to hire grasshoppers
>>>as builders for the work he was doing on his home and an additional
>>>fine for contempt when he told the court the grasshopper did not
>>>want to work.
>>>
>>>The grasshopper is provided with a council house, financial aid
>>>to furnish it and an account with a local taxi firm to ensure he
>>>can be socially mobile.
>>>
>>>The squirrel's food is seized and re distributed to the more
>>>needy members of society, in this case the grasshopper.
>>>
>>>Without enough money to buy more food, to pay the fine and his
>>>newly imposed retroactive taxes, the squirrel has to downsize and
>>>start building a new home.
>>>
>>>The local authority takes over his old home and utilises it as a
>>>temporary home for asylum seeking cats who had hijacked a plane to
>>>get to Britain as they had to share their country of origin with
>>>mice. On arrival they tried to blow up the airport because of
>>>Britain's apparent love of dogs.
>>>
>>>The cats had been arrested for the international offence of
>>>hijacking and attempted bombing but were immediately released
>>>because the police fed them pilchards instead of salmon whilst in
>>>custody.
>>>
>>>Initial moves to then return them to their own country were
>>>abandoned because it was feared they would face death by the mice.
>>>
>>>The cats devise and start a scam to obtain money from peoples
>>>credit cards. >
>>>
>>>A Panorama special shows the grasshopper finishing up the last of
>>>the squirrel's food, though spring is still months away, while the
>>>council house he is in crumbles around him because he hasn't
>>>bothered to maintain the house.
>>>
>>>He is shown to be taking drugs.
>>>
>>>Inadequate government funding is blamed for the grasshopper's
>>>drug 'illness'.
>>>
>>>The cats seek recompense in the British courts for their
>>>treatment since arrival in the UK.
>>>
>>>The grasshopper gets arrested for stabbing an old dog during a
>>>burglary to get money for his drugs habit.
>>>
>>>He is imprisoned but released immediately because he has been in
>>>custody for a few weeks.
>>>
>>>He is placed in the care of the probation service to monitor and
>>>supervise him.
>>>
>>>Within a few weeks he has killed a guinea pig in a botched
>>>robbery.
>>>
>>>A commission of enquiry, that will eventually cost 10,000,000
>>>and state the obvious, is set up
>>>
>>>Additional money is put into funding a drug rehabilitation scheme
>>>for grasshoppers and legal aid for lawyers representing asylum
>>>seekers is increased.
>>>
>>>The asylum seeking cats are praised by the government for
>>>enriching Britain's multicultural diversity and dogs are criticised
>>>by the government for failing to befriend the cats.
>>>
>>>The grasshopper dies of a drug overdose.
>>>
>>>The usual sections of the press blame it on the obvious failure
>>>of government to address the root causes of despair arising from
>>>social inequity and his traumatic experience of prison.
>>>
>>>They call for the resignation of a minister.
>>>
>>>The cats are paid a million pounds each because their rights were
>>>infringed when the government failed to inform them there were mice
>>>in the United Kingdom.
>>>
>>>The squirrel, the dogs and the victims of the hijacking, the
>>>bombing, the burglaries and robberies have to pay an additional
>>>percentage on their credit cards to cover losses, their taxes are
>>>increased to pay for law and order and they are told that they will
>>>have to work beyond 65 because of a shortfall in government funds.
>>>

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 04:01 AM

I assumed it was a private joke between the 2 of you.
Sand and the lady??
Help us thick brits out please Ard.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 03:44 AM

I like the expression, Ard:-) What does it mean? You any nearer addressing the issues I have raised or is it just more smoke and mirrors?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 09:15 PM

a bloke called Mike gregory (Derby)wrote this one

http://www.bigalwhittle.co.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/christmasontheestate.mp3

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 05:39 PM

DTG, You shouldn`t talk with your mouth full of sand, you know the lady makes sense.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 04:29 PM

Let's try again then. Remember all the Northern Ireland threads in which many people from that region, including yourself Ard, said that people on mainland Britain could not comment because you had to live there to see what was realy happening? Can you not see parallels here? You are repeatedly quoting the press as if what they say is the truth. It isn't. It is only part of it. Would you be happy if I was to post all the articles I ould find about crime and violence in Northern Ireland? Believe me, for every article you have posted I have refrained from posting a similar one about Northern Ireland.

Yes, we all have our problems. No, it's no good turning a blind eye to it. But can you see not see what is happening here? You are suggesting the UK, or Britain as you so blatantly put in the title is a cesspool of violence and iniquity. No where has anyone suggested it is perfect. The truth is that it is somewhere in between. All societies have their problems. Some are worse than others. Some have different issues.

Remember the man-eating virus of a couple of years back? Remember last years bird-flu? Remember the English press having a field day with Irish 'terrorists'? It's what sells papers. The yobs have always been there, I wish that they would go away but they won't leave overnight and just quoting the press over and over does absolutely nothing to further your argument. Unless of course your argument is that the press know better than us? In which case I might as well just go away.

Before I do though I would suggest you take a poll amongst Mudcatters that have visited the UK in recent times. See how much violence and thuggery they have seen. Just check out whether they will be coming back. I won't start it myself but leave it to you to find out the truth for yourself.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 02:00 PM

See what I mean? :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 01:55 PM

Adele Eastman the fiancee of murdered lawyer Tom ap Rhys Pryce, moved the nation when she described her sadness in a statement to the Judge who sentenced two young killers to jail.
Donnel Carty 19, sentenced to 21 years, is said to have smirked, and 18 year old Delano Brown, jailed for 17 years, rolled his eyes on apparent boredom as Adele`s words were read to the Old Bailey by a barrister.

Anew report suggests street robbers often catty out their vicious crimes to boost their street cred or motivated by a sheer desire to fight.

The study, includes interviews with 120 offenders- a third of whom have been arrested more than 50 times- and found street culture can be a far more important factor in such crimes that financial gain.

The reports authors -one of whom is Professor Trevor Bennett director of the University of Glamorgan`s centre for criminology- discovered that one element in the excitement felt by the violent offenders comes from overpowering the victim and obtaining dominance.

"It`s for the fun, `cos the point of street robbery is to get them to fight back, innit", said one criminal.

Will future generations wonder why our current climate tolerated such a state of affairs? and what reasons will they offer for such acceptance.

Have we become beaten into submission by a political atmosphere which suggests any sort of hard line is a form embarrassingly untrendy discipline which smacks too much of right-wing conservatism?.

How much longer can society ignore what is happening on the streets and those inclined to adopt a "liberal" stance write off as "hysterical" anyone who suggests, we are heading for a more serious breakdown of law and order?

An "I`m all right Jack" attitude fails us all- not least because the tragic death of Tom ap Rhys Pryce has shown now anyone can have, as the Old Bailey judge said "the grave misfortune to be in the wrong place at the wrong time".

The above from Catherine Jones, Western Mail, on the National Website of Wales.

She is not my sister.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 12:38 PM

"hiding behind nationalism won`t cure this disease."

Ditto

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 12:30 PM

Supporters of the Baggies and Villa arranged to meet outside the Uplands Pub on the afternoon of the game, the thugs used pool balls, bricks, bottles and glasses, the violence overspilled into peoples gardens women and young children in their gardens had to flee terrified into their home, This is part of a Birmingham Post report on the row.

On todays Radio 5 live the night editor of the Daily Express giving his opinion on street violence used the word yobs twice, according to him street violence is in urgent need of government action, note this was the editor of the Daily Express not the Guardian, get your heads out of the sand and look around, hiding behind nationalism won`t cure this disease.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 06:56 PM

Do you know perhaps we should study the press in other countries for football hooligans, Holland, Germany, Italy perhaps Spain, this is not an English problem, it was once but like most other 'sports' we aren't as good as we used to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 06:52 PM

Sorry - I retract something instantly having re-read it. Most things British ARE bad. I intended to say that not everything ENGLISH is bad.

Mea Culpa.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 06:50 PM

Ard, I don't know how else to say it. I have supported your views almost from the start. See my post at 09 Nov 06 - 05:19 AM to confirm what I suspect you already know. It was only when I found out that there was no league table and that Britain would not have been top anyway that I disputed your thread title. Even then I said the two issues were not related. One was undeniable, there is a problem with yobs in the UK. The other, your thread title, is a complete falsehood.

I intensely dislike sensationalist headlines, including this thread title, but I accept your right to use them. Hopefuly you accept everyones elses right to treat them with the pinch of salt they deserve. I and a number of other people know that there is a problem. We also know that the streets of Britain are not as bad as you or the press paint them. Can you not just take that chip of your shoulder and accept that not everything British is bad?

And, no, I was not having a drink in The Uplands. I guess your knowledge of UK towns is not as good as you tell us if you think that someone from Salford would go to Birmingham for a quiet pint. Harmondsworth was also noteable for it's riots in 2005 where gang warfare between Asian and Afro-Carribean youths broke out. I guess that's the fault of us Bastard Brits as well is it?

Anecdotelay the only time I have been intimidated in pub by football yobs was when I was in Listowel and the local branch of the Chelsea supporters club came in drowning their sorrows after having lost to Manchester United. It was the only time I have ever had to say I live in Bolton. Not an admission anyone would make without good reason...

I see I am still right about you not being able to address a point that makes some of your claims look false though. Is that why you just keep quoting the press? Do you not think that wild claims detract from our central proposition that there is a problem with yobs? Just think about it.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 06:01 PM

oh, and weren't those the days when they sent little boys up chimneys?

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 05:59 PM

as I said I haven't seen (what do you call it, football hooligans?) for a very very long time.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 05:23 PM

Ard, do you consider Dave is LYING when he says he went about unmolested the other night? Or do you consider he is accusing you of LYING about these facts, which he has said he accepts, by telling us of an instance in which these dire circumstances didnt ensue?

If this isnt so, then it seems to me you are pushing needlessly hard on this matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 05:06 PM

From todays Birmingham Post, At Birmingham Crown Court 60 football thugs were sentenced after a mass brawl between the fans of Aston Villa and West Brom, reports of running fights outside the Uplands Pub in Harmondsworth with as many as 80 or more involved.
Sentenced to 18 months was a millionaire company director and and ex soldier who fought in Iraq.

Did you see todays Post DTG,? or were you having a quite drink in the Uplands.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 01:31 PM

So in what way am I hard to get through to, Ard? I have already agreed that there is a problem with yobs and that something needs to be done about it. All I have pointed out is that it is not as endemic as the press make out. It has already been pointed out that the title you gave the thread is incorrect and misleading but I have also said that that does not matter either. We still need to address the issue of yobs.

Maybe I need to agree more? OK, I'll give it a try.

Us English are a set of scum-sucking, murdering thieves who eat our own children. Every street corner has a mugger on it, unless of course it is taken up with a slave trader. I get raped three times a day by the local convent school girls and I cannot get out of my front gate due to the seven foot drifts of vomit and blood.

All other nations are far better. Their toilets smell of christmas pudding and cinnamon. All the people will give their last penny to you and should you happen to get injured on the incredably safe streets the government will sweep you up in swathes of cotton wool while sweet sixteen year old virgins will kiss the injury better. There is no such thing as punishment beatings, no bombs, no removing of knee-caps with black and decker drills and no drug dealing.

There, I have got it of my chest now and feel so much better for it. Now, just maybe, Ard will accept that I have agreed with him and stop making untrue remarks with no retraction? What is you do for a living btw, Ard? Journalist by any chance? Polititian? I have noticed that whenever a question is asked or a point is raised that will show you may have been a little economical with the truth you do tend to ignore it or change the subject. Any reason for that?

For what it is worth I am an architypical Englisman. My four grandparents were all different nationalities. One of my great-grandparents was even from the green Isle where all is wine and roses.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 10:11 AM

I spent many a Saturday at St James Park, in those days holligans were unheard off, Jackie Milburn, Len White, Frank Brennan, all stars when the Magpies had a team, Roker Park as well Shack and all the rest of the bank of England team, and there was never a word, both sets of supporters mixed and exchanged the banter, imagine that now, there would be murder.
Todays Irish News has a photo of the victorious Derry City team winner of the League of Ireland Cup, and the heading, "Is Derry City the best Soccer Team in Ireland,probably," it was the Carlsberg Cup, geddit.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 05:27 AM

OK, the 'word' is popular in Ireland and the US. But mention football to an Irishman and I'm pretty sure what game he will be thinking of.

So your not coming to watch the toon then?

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 04:54 AM

Google in RTE Shields Folk and you will see the word SOCCER on their sports page, this may enlighten you, I tell you we have used the term for years.
If their is any Irish around your area, just ask.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Dec 06 - 04:49 AM

Shield Folk please go to the Irish Independent newspaper and latch on to Sport and you will see the various sports pages outlined, look out for the Soccer page.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 04:25 PM

What do we need a referee for? meet up before the game, few beers, off to the match, shout at the referee a bit (is that where you come in divis?) stand up if you hate sunderland (play along ard), of to the pub to conglatulate comiserate, mebys of to a folkie pub (might have to walk through Byker though but)

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 04:17 PM

Can I be referee ?

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 03:24 PM

Thanks Mick, now in an act of Mudcat reconciliation I would like to invite ard mhacha to attend a game of association football at St James Park next year. It may not be one of the bigger games or in the best seats but I'll buy the tickets!

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Mick
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 03:16 PM

Just call it football, Shields Folk. That is its proper name, and us colonials will figure it out.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 03:07 PM

Now who can see where I left out the words distinguish it, from the above post?

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 03:05 PM

I always thought that 'Soccer' was a word used by the upper classes in England to from Rugger, I didn't realise it was invented in Ireland.
I don't like using the word because the most popular team sport in the world is known by the world as 'football' and although soccer is an english word it sounds american to me!

By the way when was the last time you went to an English league footy game.
I can't say I have seen any hooliganism for a long long time.