BS: Britain tops the yobs league

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 01:19 PM

Shields folk Soccer was the termed used in Ireland to distinguish Association football from Gaelic football,and this goes back a very long way, well before the Yanks used it, no one here seems to be annoyed about it`s use.
Gaelic games can have the odd fight but mostly between the teams on the field, I have taken English relations to our Gaelic games at Croke Park and they too remarked at the non-segregation of the rival fans.
Rugby League games in England have never had any trouble with rival fans fighting after games, as the two teams go at it hammer and tongs, likewise with our Gaelic game, not to mention Rugby Union again no crowd trouble.
Like England, Soccer here seems to draw the yob element, but thankfully the Clifonville yobs rioting on Saturday is rare enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 01:02 PM

Ah, so the hooligan element isn't confined to any certain nationality only to soccer (god I hate using that word) fans.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 12:42 PM

And Shields Folk , yes we are talking about soccer scum , all 200 of them who support Cliftonville, our Gaelic games supporters all 80,000 of them at Croke Park are not segregated as are all your soccer fans, and there is never any crowd trouble.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 12:37 PM

The garden ornament is hard to get through to, it didn`t happen Spot, well not according to DTG, the problem is not your ankle, being dropped too often on your head causes cracks in any ornament.
All your yobs DTG are likely behaving like angels in some Spanish holiday resort.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 04 Dec 06 - 12:25 PM

We need capital pinishment for anyone under 18......On the grounds that if they are under 18 they will be guilty of something.

My Mrs had her car nicked and torched (2.5 miles from D t G's area). A local vicar has just had his face disfigured and robbed of £4.59. My local newspaper is full of muggings, thefts etc by far the most done by under 18's. DtG is a close friend of mine but he is far too reasonable and far too intelligent for me to cross swords with, but we really must bring back Capital punishment for the under 18's. There are far too many of them so a cull of the bad ones would be a benefit to us all.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Dec 06 - 05:36 PM

Well, I'm back. No music tonight, just a few friends I wanted to see. Had a few beers though so excuse me for any slurred typing...

Must admit why I am back early first. can't stand being in Manchester after 10pm - Usualy set off back by 9 but was a bit later today. The reason is that it gets far too rowdy. Too many young blokes wanting to prove that they can piss £100 up a wall in a single night. Too many ladettes trying to copy them. It was a bit cold for them tonight so I olnly say a few dozen staggering up Peter Street on my way back. Didn't notce any pissing up the wall. Perhaps teh cold helps. Anyway - Back to the festivities.

I didn't walk all the way in - I sprained my ankle yesterday, in Manchester again. I got the bus to the Crescent in Salford and had a drink in there first. Walked the last mile and half to Deansgate though. After having two pints of something a bit stronger than I usualy have the ankle felt fine. Arrived at the Knott fringe on Deansgate about 40 minutes later and found I had just missed the people I was after but stopped for a pint of Ginger Marble anyway.

Caught up with them at bar 38 on Peter Street and had a half (it was crap) before leaving for Mr Thomas's chop house where they stayed and I left to walk to Picadilly for the bis home. Decided to stay on the bus all the way home insted of getting off at the Crescent again. Sense prevailed:-)

Apart from said pillocks on Peter Street didn't see any trouble. Bit early probably. But - Two bus rides and a long walk around the city centre did not result in my murder, rape or sale into slavery. Not what people want to hear i guess. I suppose i will neve rbe a journalist...

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 02 Dec 06 - 04:08 PM

..and dont get me started on football Hooligans

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 02 Dec 06 - 03:30 PM

Is your information anecdotal or was it based on actual research ard?

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST,Bullring Bill
Date: 02 Dec 06 - 03:22 PM

Dave Careful I wouldn`t take the chance and I am no dwarf.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Den
Date: 02 Dec 06 - 02:50 PM

Stay safe Dave and don't accept any sweets from strangers.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST,Barnacle Bill the Sailor
Date: 02 Dec 06 - 12:12 PM

We interrupt this programme to announce that Tamworth have reached the 3rd round of the FA Cup, look out the big boys, and a happy old Blues fan says we are on our way to the Premier, now back to the studio.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Dec 06 - 11:35 AM

Funny that nothing from Britain is to be trusted apart from the BBC news isn't it?

Look, will people just accept that there IS a problem with street crime and anti-social behaviour in the UK (The WHOLE of the UK that is). Can no-one see that the press will always make it seem worse than it is because that is what sells papers and TV.

If we believe nothing we hear and only half of what we see we may start to make some headway. Oh yes, and accept that nothing on an internet forum should be taken at face value.

Now, excuse me while I walk into town and take a bus back later. I don't expect you will see me again...

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 02 Dec 06 - 05:52 AM

Just had another look at the BBC news 24 hours report on inner city crime, all of the people interviewed said they would not walk home, taxi was the preferred transport, don`t believe me have a look.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: ard mhacha
Date: 02 Dec 06 - 05:46 AM

Anyone seen todays BBC news now it is not safe to travel by bus,drivers are asking for help from the polyce. street crime up by 85%,

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 08:56 PM

Jesus Christ mate, Ard finds something that we're good at - something at which we excel....and this is the thanks he gets.

I don't feel you have the right to reject the trophy without consulting the rest of the team.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Teribus
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 06:08 PM

Sorry, not from Birmingham, or anywhere close. Not from Balham, I couldn't even tell you where that is, although someone does fervently belive that I once wrote something derrogatory about the place with some connection to a builders yard. When asked to cut and paste what I had supposedly written he/she declined to do so and another 'catter pointed out a search of my postings revealed no such reference to Balham. Still inspite of the most compelling evidence people will believe whatever it is they want to believe, with particular reference to this thread

Ard Mhacha - There is no such thing as a Yobs League Table
Ard Mhacha - Even if there were Britains youth would not top that table.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 05:09 PM

My wife used to teach at Manor park School in Aston. A fine semi rural location, near to spaghetti junction for a quick getaway.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST,Bullring Bill
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 04:47 PM

Drummer boy you know your `Brum, and not forgetting Aston it is close by my home, hells half acre.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 04:11 PM

You could take him to 11 route bus stop in Erdington. Get him to take the circular tour, and say - anywhere in that circle - keep out of, to be on the safe side.   Although it would leave out the strife torn Erdington High Street, and the bomb cratered byways of West Brom - the living hell that is Stourbridge, and Morrisons car park in Redditch.

Go safe out there, Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST,Balham the builder.
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 07:38 AM

He's from Balham, not Birmingham Bill. Mentioned in another thread here. South London.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 07:09 AM

Me, Guest?

Well, I have been called both.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST,Bullring Bill
Date: 01 Dec 06 - 05:37 AM

You are right about the company I keep in `Brum, I do my best to avoid them, but when they mugged some friends I NOW know to stay well clear. Who is Teribus and where does he live, he seems to know a lot about Birmingham.
The Brummies on this Site could inform him of the weekend no go areas, in our dear old town

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 07:45 PM

Was that a pig or a bore who wrote that reply ?

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 07:29 PM

Meant to post that myself Teribus!

Isnt it "You can tell a man who boozes by the company he chooses, etc" though? I suppose yours works just as well though...perhaps we are both right?

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 07:22 PM

"You can always judge a man by the company he keeps
And the Pig got up and slowly walked away."

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST,Bullring Bill
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 04:54 PM

No, I don`t come from Tamworth and there is nothing wrong with Tamworth, manys the good hamshank came from the home of the Tamworth pig, a much more respectable animal than some of the young holligans now stalking our streets.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 03:20 PM

If you live in Tamworth, take cyanide. It's the ONLY way! LOL!

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 04:42 AM

If you live in Tamworth, take a taxi. Its a long way.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST,Bull Ring Bill
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 04:00 AM

Teribus I am unaware of where you live but take my advice if you are ever in the area of `Brum and find yourself slighty tipsy, please do what me and my mate does and ring for a taxi.
It is a few years now, from I walked home from my local, the streets around my area of`Brum are definitely no go after dark, and more so at the weekend, there must be the odd person on this site who is familiar with Birmingham,tell me if I am wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Nov 06 - 03:52 AM

Calm down Teribus. When you're as old as us, you will start enjoying your paranoid delusions and bleating on about sod all, like we do.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 09:12 PM

Hell's teeth weelittledrummer - 29 Nov 06 - 10:02 AM

"Still a lot of pissheads though...."

With regard to drink, compared to what the UK was like in Georgian and Victorian times we could be compared to Puritan/Calvinists.

Oh and GUEST,Bull Ring Bill - 29 Nov 06 - 10:04 AM

"I see the our teenagers are mugging people not for their property alone but for the thrill they get from mugging, two boys were sentenced to 21 years and 17 for stabbing to death a man who was foolish enough to fight back."

"I see our teenagers are mugging people not for their property alone but just for the thrill of it". Really? How many teenagers are there in Birmingham Guest Bull Ring Bill? The abhorent actions of two of them seems to sufficient justification for you to tar them all with the same brush. Absolute crap and you damn well know it. A little piece of advice, inject a bit of realism into your life. If you wish to surrender your freedom of life and movement to the irrational fears you describe here then by all means go ahead, but please don't attribute that loss to anyone else apart from yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST,Bull Ring Bill
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 10:04 AM

I see the our teenagers are mugging people not for their property alone but for the thrill they get from mugging, two boys were sentenced to 21 years and 17 for stabbing to death a man who was foolish enough to fight back.
The fact that someone will have the nerve to fight back is part of the thrill, they then proceed to kick the shit out of them, now it is definitely not safe to walk the streets, `Brum at night is out for me, no more walking, it`s the taxi now.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 10:02 AM

Still a lot of pissheads though....

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Nov 06 - 05:50 AM

So the upshot of all this is as follows:

- No mention of yobs in the report refered to
- No league or tables actually exist
- That if such tables did exist Britain would not top any of them

What a glorious waste of time and energy.

Thanks to Shields Folk for at least exposing the original post as being the utter rubbish it was.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 10:21 AM

I remember this last point struck me very forcefully that week that they published the forged Hitler diaries. Pages and pages about the Hitler Diaries.

John Keats's diary was published in the same issue of the Sunday papers, it got less than a hundred words. Years of genuine scholarship brushed aside as unimportant to make way for - the vague chance of publishing the memoirs of a mass murderer.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Den
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 07:42 AM

It has always a sad reflection on our media that bad news equals big news. I remember once talking to a journalist friend who pretty well summed it up. He had been working for a small local paper on a story about a pensioner who at the age of 89 was still living independently, volunteering in her community and generally making a difference in the lives of the people around her. Space was tight for the particular issue and someone brought in a story about joy-riders who had crashed a stolen car. The editor immediately asked if either of the joyriders had been killed in the crash. When he was told no he reluctantly agreed to, "run the old lady story."

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 07:16 AM

Well said Dave. The truth will out (but it won't make the papers!).
S:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 07:16 AM

Is this the report - "Freedom's Orphans:
Raising youth in a changing world"? There's a summary of it on the IPPR site, though not the full report.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Mick
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 07:11 AM

I agree with the last part of the post. These discussions always cause folks to paint with too broad a brush, and the perception is always worse than the fact. An analogy is the Catholic Priest abuse scandal here in the States. As bad as that scandal has rocked the Church, the worst detractors admit that the number of Priests engaged in such activity is something less than 2%. While the scope of the problem for Great Britain is certainly serious, I would be interested in knowing what percentage of British youth engage in these activities.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 05:30 AM

I'm going to duck out here. I agree with Ard Mhacha completely. We do need to address these issues. I agree with Shields Folk that the thread title is wrong. I don't however see what one has to do with the other. It could have been an interesting excercise, maybe even bringing a greater awareness of the issue and possibly even helping but it has been sidelined. Would one of you please give a little? Either -

1. Ard Mhacha requests a title change or

2. Shields Folk starts a seperate thread about journalistic license in thread titles.

Before I go I would point out one thing before everyone else thinks that the UK is bathed in blood, urine and vomit every weekend. It isn't. The vast majority of youngsters are good, law abiding, pleasant people who are fun to be around. The large city centres realy suffer from the effects of the idiots but it is probably a few late hours a week in a small percentage of the land mass. Most times and places are safe to go and fun to be in.

Why do you think the yobs make the papers so often? Because they are news. No-one ever reports that a crowd of young men and women go out to enjoy themselves, have a few beers, enjoy a dance and some music, then go home happy and without having caused any trouble. Lets hope that whatever we have to do about it the majority win out in the end.

BTW - This has happened since the 50's at least. Who remembers the lawless days of the Ted's ripping up cinemas? Move on to the 60's - Mods and Rockers battling it out at the seaside? Don't think we had anything similar in the last 30 years so they have just re-packaged yesterdays news.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Nov 06 - 04:17 AM

Ta an SF, [not Sein Fein], is beyond logical thought, Big Mick I have been following this discussion with interest and was amazed to find so many people ignoring the main purpose, which was sidelined in the interest of nationality.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 06 - 10:12 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 11:39 AM

What about reading the report?

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 11:39 AM

What about "British mudcatter is screwing the Irish".

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 10:27 AM

The thing is my argument is based on the inaccuracy of the thread title. I think it was meant to be inflamatory, if it wasn't ok but it would be more accurate to change it. May I suggest "British society is screwing up our youth"

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 09:14 AM

bush league debaters trick, SF. Now that you have been called on an inaccuracy, you attempt to shift the premise off you to me. Won't work. You took a thread that was intended to address an ill in your society and hijacked it to a discussion of the initiator of the thread. I am not going to discuss it with you, as you are not interested in discussion. But yes, I did look it over.

le gach dea-mhéin,      

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 09:10 AM

You have read the report haven't you Mick?
Tell me what did you think of it?

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 09:07 AM

Actually, I was not addressing you in that language. I was addressing ard. Then you responded in a way that seemed to indicate that you understood it, so I addressed you in it. Details certainly are a pain in the old arse, are they not?

le gach dea-mhéin,      

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Shields Folk
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 09:05 AM

And you were very gracious trying to insult(perhaps too strong a word)me in a language I do not understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Britain tops the yobs league
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Nov 06 - 09:01 AM

I find it interesting that it seems to be fine to discuss the social ills in the North of Ireland, but a thread that reports on what is a grave problem in Great Britain draws a whole discussion of motives. Parenthetically, I chuckle at the irony of the complainers often being folks that are all too quick to criticize US society.

I thought ard was quite gracious in being very clear in the opening post with the following: "I can tell them that the condemnation in that report also applies to Ireland, all 32 counties".

Mick