Ake, if I may so address you: If you're argument is that the other side feels they are so close to God that they can pretty much do anything to the West, in the manner of the crude joke: "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out", I'm not there yet. I think most people no matter what their background, are as Carol says, "The majority of people just want to live their lives in peace. " I don't totally agree with that as we know that in times past, people such as the Vikings found that it was easy, fun, and cost-effective to regularly invade their neighbors for slaves and property. The Huns, Goths, Franks, Sioux, Hebrews, Turks, Moors, Slavs, Zulu, Afrikaners, Celts, Aryans, Arabs, etc. etc. have all in their turns behaved as in the Monty Python skit: "People were in and out of 'ouses w' each others' property all the time!"

I hold to the tried and true test of humanity that people will live in peace after trying everything else.

On the other hand, I don't think it will come to apocalypse. I think there will be a morning after.

And now that I've drowned my opinions in pop bathos, I'm gonna suggest that someone find a way to correct the speling in the thread title and wish y'all a happy post Earth Day and may we really be saving some wetlands as the Pres promised.