BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Grab
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 07:36 AM

I guess I must have been. Good job it was a chippy with 24-hour access to the news then, so I could find out what was going on outside...

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 07:32 AM

Well I'm a Tory, as far as I'm aware not a bastard, and my landowning is limited to some houseplants. Sorry to dissapoint.

Re Eating what you kill, and vice versa, I don't as I'm not a good enough shot, and a flat isn't the best place to butcher something. I have been helping with the livestock on my uncles farm, and eaten plenty of that though, which is closer than most people get to their food.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: The Shambles
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 07:31 AM

It's no good Grab, his record is well and truly stuck. No point in trying reason, irony, sarcasm or thermite - the man's just about impregnable to anything but one of Spaw's more personal insultments, and I'm not going to stoop that low.

Gervase there is nothing personal in this for me. I have not called you any names. You have a view and I have a view. Nothing that you have said has suceeded in changing my view (very much anyway).

But I do think that it should be possible for anyone with a view to be able to argue and fight for their view without involving others or needing to appeal for any like-minded to gang-up and shout-down any opposing view.

It is that aspect of this argument that has been so devisive for our country and there is no need to continue that approach on this discussion forum.

That the poster you refer to by name and who is seen and currently encouraged to name-call on our forum - is sad - but this is perhaps not an example that others should feel they should follow (or even refer to)?

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 03:19 AM

Which Tory bastards is wee chippie referring to? He says 'you' so I assume he's talking about some here? Anyone care to 'fess up, because it's not me. I was Labour, and am now Plaid.
And how long before what - the Tory bastards start displaying their wealth and power somewhere other than the towns? No thanks, you can keep 'em. There are no Tory bastards within many a mile of where I live, and long may that remain!

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Teribus
Date: 06 Oct 06 - 03:05 AM

weelittledrummer is the most perfectly balanced person on Mudcat - displaying, as he does, "chips" the size of oak trees, one wedged firmly on each shoulder.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 07:47 PM

Farmer, small holders, dirt farmers - I have a lot of time for. I was born in Lincolnshire - I understand all that. I was born understanding it.

Thats why I hate you tory bastards so much. You are so exploitative of these people. The towns are your playground where you display all your wealth, political power, etc.

how long lordy, how long!

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 06:46 PM

It's no good Grab, his record is well and truly stuck. No point in trying reason, irony, sarcasm or thermite - the man's just about impregnable to anything but one of Spaw's more personal insultments, and I'm not going to stoop that low.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: The Shambles
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 02:01 PM

just happened to be the tip of a rather large iceberg of farmers being crapped on from a great height.

Graham - You must have been stuck in that 'chippie' with Gervase.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Grab
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 12:59 PM

Once again, is there a chance we can isolate discussion of shooting game animals from a discussion of the UK class system?

All aristos are *not* into game shooting. All people into game shooting are *not* aristos.

It'd also be nice if people didn't confuse fox-hunting and game shooting. Yes, some of the same people do both. Big deal - the BNP apparently are dead keen on folk music too, but that doesn't make us all neo-Nazis, does it? :-/ FWIW, all Countryside Alliance supporters are not in favour of fox-hunting - as I'm sure you know, Shambles, fox-hunting just happened to be the tip of a rather large iceberg of farmers being crapped on from a great height.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: The Shambles
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 11:29 AM

There are REAL problems with living a rural life - the very worst thing those who kill foxes for fun have done - is to encourage those people (some who cannot even afford to live or buy property in the areas they were born in) - is to pretend they give a f*** about these people and their REAL problems.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 10:46 AM

that's the real problem with you country types. you just don't understand our way of life.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 10:43 AM

At last .....fted, got it! I knew that expensive education would come in one day.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 10:03 AM

Give up Gervase! Some of this lot see anything to do with country pursuits as some sort of ongoing Class struggle dating back to The Enclosure Act, and it's all MY fault for shooting!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:42 AM

Most of the people I know who are really pissed off by this are ordinary rural working class people. Next time you see a pick-up with a 'Bollocks to Blair' CA sticker, take a good look at who's driving. It won't be Arabella Strangely-Browne or Tarquin ffuchs-Tightly, I can promise you.
And I'm certainly not upper class - I'm a builder and smallholder for heaven's sake. You're probably posher than me!

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:22 AM

Theres too much weird shit going on in Britain, when it comes to this subject. Nobody is really unbiassed.

About forty years ago I took some kids for a stroll in the country just outside Peebles. there were foxes crucified on every gate I took the children past. I wonder what that was all about. Like something out of An American Werewolf.

However as it seems to cause genuine pain to a class that has pissed us all off. I can't help thinking - maybe we're onto someting that will set the country right.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Leadfingers
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:16 AM

100 this time ?

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 09:11 AM

If the people actually got what they wanted, then fox hunting may well have been banned, but laywer hunting would be more popular than football, and we wouldn't have overcrowded prisions, as the mob would have lynched a fair number of people....

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 08:21 AM

Ah, the same 'democratic will of the people' that got us into the Iraq War Mk2 and gave us the three-in-a-bar fiasco? Come to think of it, I do remember the referendum on all of those.
So I suppsoe that's all OK then.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: The Shambles
Date: 05 Oct 06 - 04:54 AM

Sorry, who was it who was bellowing indignantly? I must've had my head in a chip wrapper at the time, 'cos I missed it.

Were were you in the chippie all the time The Cuntryside Are Liars were marching and appearing all over our TV screens - inciting everyone with any greviance (real or imagined) about rural life to follow them.

And all because the democratic will of the people (i.e. the law) was threatening to spoil their fun by stopping them chasing terrified foxes around the countryside before eventually tearing them apart with packs of dogs.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 06:21 PM

search me guv. will me lordship be requiring anal cleansing after his exertions in the toilet?

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 05:24 PM

Sorry, who was it who was bellowing indignantly? I must've had my head in a chip wrapper at the time, 'cos I missed it.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 12:40 PM

yes indeed the louder the bellows, the happier we are. and we think David Cameron's a wanker.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 12:23 PM

So Shambles, your justification for telling other people what to do is "well they did the same to our class for years"? If I'm reminded of anything with that statement, it's the "Bold gendarmes".

Not sure that I was justifying anything.

Just offering an explaination for why those loud bellows of indignation were not taken very seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Grab
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 12:18 PM

So Shambles, your justification for telling other people what to do is "well they did the same to our class for years"? If I'm reminded of anything with that statement, it's the "Bold gendarmes".

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 12:00 PM

*snort* ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 10:45 AM

yeh yeh yeh, and your whipper in lives in a council house.......where of a winters night you often share a dish of tripe with the homely couple, sat by a coal fire and listening to tales of his favourite dogs, with the fire twinkling on his wise old face.

Gervase, I'd rather drink soya milk with me ginseng biscuits.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 09:22 AM

A bit chippy there, weelittledrummer? No exactly the milkman of human kindness today - maybe it's time to think again about that vegan diet!
To be honest I don't mind mixing with anyone, and some of the best singing I've heard has been in the pub after a day's hunting.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 08:54 AM

Only you have to kill animals, mix with the upper classes, live a long way from a folk club.....

If it were any more perfect, I'd get the job applicants certified.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 07:09 AM

Take a look at the websites for the Deer Commission/Forestry Commission/National Heritage Site/Gamekeepers Association and read about what training and level of expertise that must be attained before you can qualify to shoot large game in the UK. The sites will also give information on the rather stringent rules that must be followed with regard to the carcass of the animal once shot.

So restrictive is shooting in the UK that the species of deer that is represents our largest game animal (Red Deer) is on the verge of being classified as vermin because of the damage it is doing to the countryside - all because populations are running out of control. Two to three mile sections of the main roads in the Highlands and north-east of Scotland have recently been closed off by the Police for short periods to allow marksmen to cull deer close to roads in locations where deer have caused accidents in crossing the roads.

Fishing - only ever fished for Brown Trout, Sea Trout or Salmon - anything caught was eaten. I have never seen the attraction in coarse fishing, sitting by a body of water watching a float, waiting for it to bob up and down, then take the fish, that you can't eat, and put it in a keep-net only to be released at the end of the day.

Shooting - Elg, Deer and Wild Boar - again anything shot is eaten. I do not believe in shooting trophies. The training for this was very comprehensive, where I hunt everybody has to qualify each year before the start of the hunting season. You do not aim at anything unless you are certain of a safe, clear shot (i.e. clear sighting of the animal with a solid back-drop behind it), you do not fire unless you are certain of killing it cleanly. The place we hunt is a wild-life centre, the owner and the locals normally hunt it but allow two "Guest" hunting parties in each season. The landowner cares for the place through-out the year, all food served to the people that visit the centre comes from his land (grown or shot). On arrival the landowner briefs the hunters precisely on what animals they may shoot (Mature Bull/Buck; Juveniles (up to 2 year olds); Cows/Does; Calves) all other animals are left alone. He husbands the land and has detailed knowledge of what is ranging on it, he ensures the survival of the animals in winter by growing forage for them and by putting out salt licks for them in summer, this provides sustainability of his business. Whereas before when he ran his land as a farm it employed him and members of his family, now run as a wild-life centre it employs him, members of his family and about ten other employees. Having seen the place it seems a terrific way to make a living.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 04:56 AM

Of course this is one of the myriad debates that, for us English, is inevitably class based. I remember a thread about hunting a couple of years ago and the poor old Yanks were breathless at how we neatly divided along class lines on this one. Apparently hunting is a blue collar thing over there.

The hunting fraternity assured me that THEIR local hunt was packed out with miners, factory workers, unemployed, single parents, etc. Must be like a cross between the TUC and the green room on Coronation street, where RADA types concentrate on the getting the right timbre into enunciating 'ey oop!, 'ecky thump!, and willie 'eckerslke!

I can't really understand why we haven't banned hunting completely. As soon as the tories get in, despite all this crap about Ian Duncan Smith loving us us all, and caring terribly about us, and all his best friends manning call centres (the mind really works overtime on that one? - maybe the I 'm wearing little white panties one!) - as soon as they're in they're going to start shafting us.

So I think we should kick them up the arse with this one, and bloody hard! A pre-emptive strike - they've obviously got weapons of mass destruction in there somewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 04:36 AM

(And it's odd that only in England (and not Wales or Scotland or Italy or FRance or...) is the hunting and shooting issue so polarised along class lines. It really is terribly sad and horribly antiquated.

Some may argue (many Scotish persons in particular) that in fact most of Scotland has been owned by this class and set aside for their pusuits? And that it still is.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Paul Burke
Date: 04 Oct 06 - 03:55 AM

Obvious, Gervaise. Bear and bull baiting and dog fighting were banned in the first third of the nineteenth century, they were the violent fun of the lower orders. Football (Ashbourne style) was for rough'yeds and banned almost everywhere. Cockfighting and fistfighting crossed class boundaries, but the powerful and respectable were against gambling. Fox hunting and shooting were the pastimes of the 'Arry Stockrats, and remained untouched. Cockfighting and fistfighting crossed class boundaries, but the powerful and respectable were against gambling. The game laws- for offences against which thousands of ordinary folks were fined and imprisoned, hundreds hanged or transported- were enacted to protect their sport. Class definitely is right there at the basis of both sides of the bloodsports debate.

How did you get from Marxism to the Countryside Alliance? I know it's said that he who isn't a radical when young lacks soul, he who isn't a conservative when old lacks brain, but that just means I'm still young.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: GUEST,Gervase
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 04:34 PM

(sans biscuit using the memsahib's laptop)
Sorry Shambles,you've done it again. I confess - I'm lost. What in the name of the pope's underpants prompts the death-defying leap from killing chickens to the class struggle?
As a quondam marxist, I have to admire your chutzpah, but even I'm a little bit puzzled.
Do tell...
(And it's odd that only in England (and not Wales or Scotland or Italy or FRance or...) is the hunting and shooting issue so polarised along class lines. It really is terribly sad and horribly antiquated.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: The Shambles
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 03:31 PM

If you choose not to kill anything, including your chickens, then that's fine, Shambles. But other people's choice to kill things (even if it's for a lousy reason, like "just because they can") is not imposing on you in any way whatsoever, except in the obvious way that if they kill too many then they'll eventually deprive the whole world of them.

Graham - I have watched with some ammusment as the class in our country that have been traditionally associated with hunting and shooting and who have always felt they have a God-given right to judge interfere, prevent and comment on every aspect of what others choose do for their pleasure - have nearly exploded with indignation at the thought of the great-unwashed having the audacity to judge, interfere, prevent and comment on their pleasures..... How dare they?

I am reminded of Dad's Army's Corporal Jones phrase: - 'They don't like it up-em sah! Indeed they don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Grab
Date: 03 Oct 06 - 11:30 AM

Think about it, you stand there and watch the habits of these beauties, doing no one any harm, how could you lift a gun and kill them?

Or all those clucking chickens and swimming fish and skipping lambs and calves? How could you lift a ... knife and fork and eat big fat slices of their flesh every day of the week, Divis?

Ibo, you're right - killing just for killing's sake is disgusting. But killing what you're going to eat is just fine by me, and I don't see a problem in taking pleasure in doing that job well. Nor killing of vermin which would otherwise damage property and spread disease. Nor culling for the purpose of keeping the main population healthier.

and to be free from the same judgement that they had always felt they had the right to impose on others.

If you choose not to kill anything, including your chickens, then that's fine, Shambles. But other people's choice to kill things (even if it's for a lousy reason, like "just because they can") is not imposing on you in any way whatsoever, except in the obvious way that if they kill too many then they'll eventually deprive the whole world of them.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 04:06 PM

Cameras are ideal for shooting animals,i agree totally.Perhaps you may even get a photo of those evil gits who celebrate killing with the family,fancy horses and a bottle of best vintage bubbly.CHEERS,ENJOY.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: redsnapper
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 11:54 AM

I love shooting wild animals....



...but only with my cameras

RS

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 10:21 AM

Already stated i'm a hunter. At least if i'm going to eat animals I have no hesitation on being able to kill one; unlike people like you who believe that they are so "superior" just because they unwrap meat from a butcher.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 09:23 AM

Thanks Gervase,my sentiments exactly,you are obviously a decent bloke,unlike those blood sucking vermin who appear to dislike me.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 09:18 AM

Do you kill for fun mr mariner,are you a dipstick?

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 09:17 AM

Perhaps the butcher has a magic fridge which fills with prime cuts of meat that never were part of a living animal - or if they were, they were from animals that queued up meekly for humane rendering at the hands of gentle nuns armed with nothing nastier than bowls of hemlock. And I take it your butcher would never dream of selling pheasant or venison either.

To be honest, though, I'm with you on mindless yobs who kill for the pleasure of it. People who do that are yobs and have no place in a civilised society.
If, however, they kill to put food on the table or to sell to the butcher or to control pests, then fair play, that's part of life. You may not like it - just as some people don't like morris dancers, anglers or folk who play cricket - but that's your problem, not theirs.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 08:53 AM

Guest ibo, Would you rather live free as a wild animal, or couped up in a pen until slaughtered? Either way you still eat meat and are a bigoted hypocrite.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 08:23 AM

I actually live in the countryside and drink with yokels who brag about their kills.They definately dont kill for food,and believe me a lot of the fat gormless gits could do with skipping a few meals.Yes, i eat meat,but i prefer mine prepared by the local butchers and not from these mindless yobs who kill for the pleasure of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: ard mhacha
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 07:00 AM

Shambles I seen Gervase on TV doing a re-hab job on his country mansioN.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 06:19 AM

Sorry Shambles, not a wind-up. A living, breathing person who posts here under his own name (were you really called 'Shambles' by your parents? If so, you have my sympathy). Anyway, I'm afraid you lost me there somewhere round the back of the sofa. I was following your arguments until you started jumping around the house; what exactly is the point you're trying to make?

Aside from that, it would have been nice to have had some proper argument about the ethics of shooting and food production in general, but that seems as unlikely as ever, reading the threads here.

I can sympathise with Ard Macha because he seems to be speaking from experience (you should take down the registration numbers of any vehicles belonging to people who do that and report them to the police or the RSPCA - as I said, that sort of behaviour is appalling), but for the rest, it seems that the arguments are based on a level of ignorance, blind prejudice and kneejerk anthropomorphism that one would expect to see in young teenagers.

So, how about some sensible debate on the issue? Please. Or are we always going to resort to 'yah-boo' name calling and personal attacks? And does the abuse actually make the abuser feel better? To use terms like 'inbred idiot', 'twisted', 'moronic', and 'liar' is hardly going to make an opponent sit up and take stock and think: 'Gosh, this person really does have the answers. I can see the error of my ways and will become a vegan forthwith!'. Or is the abuse in some way cathartic? Or, dare I say it, 'fun' - a little thrill at an anonymous insult delivered to someone you've never met. A bit like sticking out your tongue behind the teacher's back in ther maturity stakes, perhaps?

So, to get back to the issue in hand, could someone please tell me why it is wrong to shoot animals for food in the wild when we electrocute them, slit their throats or shoot them in slaughterhouses? And why it is wrong to shoot pests but not to poison them?

And, when replying, if your first temptation is to unleash a torrent of abuse, just pause for a second, take a deep breath and do something more constructive (like clicking on the Hunger Site or something). You're not going to change anyone's mind with vitriol.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: The Shambles
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 04:54 AM

Alright Gervase you have convinced me.

In order to free our house of all possible vermin - I will open the front door and let loose a pack of dogs. Mrs Shambles and I will then don hunting pinks, saddle up our trusty hunters, invite the local worthies to do the same and will charge around from room to room leaping the furniture and have jolly good time.

If any living thing should survive this - we will then don green wellies and blast every room with double-barreled shotguns, along with our double-barreled neighbours.

It would be nice to think that the poster known as 'Gervase' is a complete 'wind-up'. Sadly I fear that he is the real thing.

Probably the worst diservice the 'Cuntryside Are Liars' ever attempted was to split us neatly into 'townies' and 'us that know what the really countyside needs even through we only visit every other weekend'. [Sorry if the spelling isn't quite right - it was the way many of its supporter seemed to pronouce it.]

Thankfully this attempt was seen for the sham it always was - designed only to enable small groups of selfish people to carry on doing exactly as they wished and to be free from the same judgement that they had always felt they had the right to impose on others.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: GUEST,Ard Mhacha
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 03:39 AM

Sorry Gervase to disagree, living close to the countryside I come into contact with many wildfowlers [killers] and it is sad to say that they glory in their deeds, how can anyone look with pride at a dead bird full of shotgun pellets.
Living a long time among my fellow humans I despair at their cruelty, is it any wonder that I prefer my dog when compared to some of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: Gervase
Date: 02 Oct 06 - 03:22 AM

Should I assume from the tenor of your post, GUEST,ibo, that you live in a town?

Whatever. If I were to fence all of my land with 'foxproof' fencing it would mean pulling out the old hedgerows that act as a haven for wildlife and which are several hundred years old (and which, belatedly, are being protected). Do you think I should do this to stop the foxes killing the lambs? (and, on a philosophical note, I would assume that a heathen would not have the concept of hell, so your imprecation is a little assumptive).

I have to say, if the spelling, punctuation and syntax is any guide, the "ignorant, barbaric rabble" seems to be made up of those opposed to hunting, or shooting, or eating meat, or indeed daring to live anywhere that doesn't have a McDonalds and street lighting!

And, Ard Macha, I completely agree - anyone that behaves like that is a disgrace and should be reported to the police and other relevant authorities, and should not be licensed to use firearms. That sort of behaviour is sickening and only serves to tarnish everyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: GUEST,ibo
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 07:38 PM

People who just kill for fun are complete and utter bastards,and there are plenty of them out there in the country.They hide under the disguise of caring farmer,but you are evil bloodthirsty heathens and i hope you rot in hell.Keep your poultry in adequate modern coops and the fox will not harm them,spend some money you ignorant barbaric rabble.You disgust all true animal lovers,and lovers of a harmonic natural countryside.

Subject: RE: BS: Shooting (hunting) and jobs in the UK
From: The Shambles
Date: 01 Oct 06 - 03:41 PM

Shambles, you still haven't answered the rodent question. Is Chez Shambles an open house for rats and mice? Or would a slow death from Rentokil-administered poison be preferable to a lead pellet or a terrier?

Not sure that our dog and cats are very effective at actually killing anything - but they do seem to act as enough of a deterrent to keep the house free from the obvious signs of rats and mice.

Just as we found that adequate fencing of our poultry was enough of a deterrent to avoid predators.