BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: artbrooks
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 02:00 PM

I would like to apologize for the tone of my last post. I especially regret offending anyone who has also had family members stricken with these diseases, as I have.

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 01:57 PM

Ya...

Guns don't kill people...

PEOPLE with guns kill people...

So there are 2 sides of the equation we can work with...

Remove all the guns, or remove all the people...

I'm all for the latter!

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 01:55 PM

In that connection, let us turn back the clock a bit. In the year 1369, Edward III, one of England's truly great monarchs, issued the following order:
"Cause public proclamation to be made, that everyone strong in body at leisure time on holidays use in his recreation the bow and arrow and learn and exercise the art of shooting - forbidding all and singular on our behalf that they do not after any manner apply themselves to the throwing of stones, wood, iron, handball, football, bandyball, cambuck, or cock fighting; nor to other such like vain plays which have no profit in them, under pain of imprisonment."

Edward Rex, Westminster, 12th day of June 1369

Edward was not frightened of his people, or of law abiding citizens being armed with the deadliest instrument of battle in his arsenal. The Longbow being the equivalent of a personal firearm in 1369.

The NRA promote safety training and the enforcement of laws. Charleton Heston has been the target of biased liberal hatred, and personal slight for years. The nature of this thread disgusts me, I lost my father to this disease. (he refused treatment for cancer while still capable of understanding his predicament) I have admired Mr Heston as an accomplished actor, and a man of great oratory skill. You should be ashamed of this thread, he cannot defend himself; and you have no reason to continue such infantile rhetoric.

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: DonMeixner
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 01:54 PM

Art,

No, it doesn't.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: artbrooks
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 01:06 PM

Charleton Heston...Altzeimers and Dementia...NRA. All hangs together, doesn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 12:34 PM

I wonder what St. Peter will say when ol' Chalatan Heston hauls his arsenal up to the Pearly Gates?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 12:32 PM

In NYC, theoretically only the police and the bad guys have guns. I have always found it amazing when a criminal is shot while commiting a crime, sues, and WINS sometimes millions. The process takes years so that his original victim, who usually has not filed a civil suit because the criminal is penniless, can not turn around and claim a share of the booty. So the low life lives on millions, though he is crippled, and the upstanding citizen, also crippled, lives on disability insurance.

I now live in Maine and still don't own a gun. But the bad guys don't know that...

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: Metchosin
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 12:04 PM

Gee Neighmond, so sorry to hear that times are so tough for you at this moment, despite two jobs. Perhaps if you hocked your gun and computer you could buy some food and medicine with the money to help keep your family through this tough time.

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: DonMeixner
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 09:23 AM

""No firearm from the dawn of gunpowder to this date has ever (EVER)loaded itself, leveled itself, taken its own aim, cocked back its own hammer, and discharged a load of shot into some hapless victem. It takes the malice in the brain, the wickedness in the heart, the complacent hand and the seeing eye to set into motion the event of death by acute lead poisoning.""

Nicely said.

Gun ownership in the states is a right. But rights also require responsibility. It should be incumbent on all gun owners to learn how to use and store them safely.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: kendall
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 09:13 AM

Right on, Chaz, we must changed our mind set and deal with the CAUSES of gun violence.
There have been, and always will be guns. They will be in the hands of nuts, and, I see gun ownership as levelling the playing field.
Florida used to be an unsafe place to be, but, after they passed a "right to carry" law, violent crime went way down. It doesn't take a huge brain to figure out why.

In my own state, we have 1 million total population; there are 10,000 concealed weapon permits out there, Vermont has no law on concealed weapons, yet, we are two of the safest states in the union. Why? I'll bet that our collective mind set is the reason. It's also possible that we are not crowded into too small a space like NY city dwellers. They have their "Sullivan Law" but it is next to useless. As stated before, you can not legislate common sense, and, in my opinion, living in a big city is an un natural act.

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: gnu
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 07:23 AM

I live in Canada, where gun laws introduced over the last fifteen years for the exact same reasoning above have contributed to the crime of "home invasion", most victims being the elderly and women. The occurance of this crime is becoming more frequent every day in my area. I just hope it's anti-gun lobby people who get robbed and beaten in their own homes because I am sure they will cope with the trauma better than those who still own a gun but, by law, can't use it to defend themselves IN their own home.

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: Leo Condie
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 06:53 AM

dear neighmond

it doesn't eradicate gun use completely, but the harder guns are to get hold of, the less psychos get hold of them :) your argument seems to be "Well criminals are crazy so we should be allowed guns because we're not!"

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 06:38 AM

What has always puzzled me has been that the "cold dead hands" quote is apparently supposed to evince a supportive response.

Rather than one of "That's fine by me, if that's how you want it".

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: Neighmond
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 06:12 AM

Davebhoy,
with all respect due in this case, I feel a responce is in order.

"That's scary. Makes be glad to be in the UK where we are clamping down on gun posession and use."

Perhaps if we as parents spent less time working two jobs so a benevolant government can send our hard-earned pay to distant fields while our own elders die in their chairs and beds for lack of medicine, and our babies cry from the misery of their little empty bellies, and spend more time bringing up our children right, we wouldn't have this problem. Dicipline begins at home with parental guidance, and supervision. Parents are NOT there to be "friends"! Sad but true. You cannot dump your babies on an outside party and expect them to turn out right. Furthermore, it is high damnded time that people begin taking responsibility for their own actions and shortcomings. If you fail in your job as a parent and your child thinks they have to use a firearm to attain some unspeakably evil end, don't cry to the many ears about the BIG BAD TEWWABLE GUN BOOGIE MEN. Look in the mirror. Look right into the eyes of the face in that mirror and begin addressing the real culprit.

I am a citizen of the United States. As such I am a vassel to no man. I will bow to no ruler and I damnded sure won't allow some tinhorn four-flushing wanna-be grand hi-pubah in a city that remains perpetually out of touch with those who support its very existance steal my birthright.

"After Dunblane (16 five year old kids and their Teacher killed in a gym) we had to do something."

One thing that the gun-snatchers and their hangers-on politely leave out of their hype-rallies:

You cannot legeslate common sence.

No firearm from the dawn of gunpowder to this date has ever (EVER)loaded itself, leveled itself, taken its own aim, cocked back its own hammer, and discharged a load of shot into some hapless victem. It takes the malice in the brain, the wickedness in the heart, the complacent hand and the seeing eye to set into motion the event of death by acute lead poisoning.

"In a current amnesty however an AK47 assualt rifle was handed in to Police. I dread to think what is still out there and who may be holding it."

Do you really think the criminals will sit up in their nasty dens of misdoing, and hearing anouncement of further legeslation, say "Well, Louie, that does it for us! The law says we can't have a gun along when we take off convenience stores!"

Not very likely, is it?

Louis L'Amour had it pegged: "When bureaucrats outlaw guns, only outlows will have them."

Offered with the utmost respect.

Chaz

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: Hillheader
Date: 27 Apr 03 - 03:08 AM

That's scary. Makes be glad to be in the UK where we are clamping down on gun posession and use. After Dunblane (16 five year old kids and their Teacher killed in a gym) we had to do something. In a current amnesty however an AK47 assualt rifle was handed in to Police. I dread to think what is still out there and who may be holding it.

Davebhoy.

Subject: RE: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: kendall
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:38 PM

Cold dead HEAD, is more like it.

Mr. LaPierre never did answer my letter in which I pointed out when he lied. Big surprise, eh?

Subject: BS: 'From my cold, dead hands' farewell
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Apr 03 - 09:44 PM

Seems that Michael Moore & his 'Bowling for Columbine' brought old Chuck down after all. Heston made his 'farewell' speech to the NRA convention today:

Charlton Heston's Farewell to the NRA

Remember, Heston's Alzheimer's announcement was made just after the debut of 'Bowling for Columbine' which obviously made him look too frighteningly real even for the NRA. And get a load of the war mongering and warrior rhetoric in his taped farewell speech!

No surprise about his replacement, though. Another Republican party hack.

"Heston will be succeeded by Kayne Robinson, former chairman of the Iowa State Republican Party.

After the tape, Heston moved to the podium, where he repeated his trademark "cold dead hands" phrase and made a few remarks of thanks."