BS: A Declaration of Impeachment

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:47 AM

Gee, I feel so ashamed for pointing out to Amos that he is wasting his time. Something only a friend would do. An enemy would simply let him continue to make a fool of himself.

"The Democratic Party leadership has indicated that they have no intention of resolving to impeach him."

What was that about insanity is repeating the same thing hoping for different results.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 02:07 AM

The person criticizing others for making too many posts will, if they continue their current posting rate, have approximately 14,153 posts by the time they've been posting here for eight years.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 02:03 AM

18769 posts in more than eight years.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 01:39 AM

Don't be an ass, Sawz.

When people speak out suggesting impeachment, I report it here. If you don't like it, shove off, but don't sit around mischaracterizing the thread or my intent in starting it.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Sawzaw
Date: 18 Oct 08 - 01:03 AM

CC=18769
Amos=46784
Sawzaw=513

Impeachment=0

I think it is Amos who is obsessed with something he admits will not happen. Perpetual motion and cold fusion may yet prove to be possible.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 08:11 PM

I find it amusing when I see people spending a lot of time on the internet telling others they spend too much time on the internet.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Barry Finn
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 01:02 PM

Amos, pay no attention to the man in the "silly suit", you're doing a fine job updating the rest of US. It is a shame that Miss Nancy "it's off the table" P won't do want we elected her & the others to do but in time she'll pay along with Bush & Co. I do hope this comes back to bite her on the ass as much as I hope to eventually see Bush & Co imprisoned for a long time. I do hope that when Obama takes office that his administration will pursue these political criminals as well as a good few deserving others. A "Chinese Purge" would be very appopriate, put them all in "Chop, Chop Square"

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 12:28 PM

K.C. Cody, writing in the California Aggie, skips the foreplay:

"The Democrats have royally fucked us (I swear in this column, by the way). Why? Because they don't understand accountability. They're like the Arthur Anderson of American politics. That they haven't brought Bush to his knees for some sweet, impeachment-style justice is beyond shameful; Johnson replaced his secretary of war, Nixon spied and Clinton fibbed about a BJ. But Bush? Nah, the Democrats are just fine to let bygones be bygones and take impeachment off the table.

Do me a favor and look at the articles of impeachment submitted to the House by Dennis Kucinich, the only Democrat with the balls to do so (besides Hillary). Really, look at 'em (the articles, not the balls). And when you do, realize that these are just the things Bush should be impeached for that we know about, because the Democrats won't launch any prying Congressional investigations.

According to them, it doesn't matter how we got here. They'll just plug the hull of the Titanic with chewing gum and worry about accountability and prevention later. Much later. As in never.

Just look at what we've experienced over the past month. After The Great Depression, Sweden and S&L, this was not unexpected. It was inevitable. It was inevitable because of the failure to respond with accountability, prevention and vigilance to yesteryear's orgies of greed. And once those past shocks and others like them abated, so did the opportunity to respond.

But Republicans make their careers on shocks. Take the U.S.A. PATRIOT Act. The speed at which it passed was baffling; portions were even submitted only one working day after 9/11. The final bill is a 342-page wish list of prepackaged pipe dreams accumulated since Reagan meant to turn the executive branch into a Herculean phallus of ruination. Nine-eleven was their shock, and their wishes were granted.
..."

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 10:16 AM

I am sorry you are so obsessed with me, man, but I am sure you will get over it.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Sawzaw
Date: 17 Oct 08 - 08:40 AM

Some people measure the quality of life by how many six packs of Bud they consume each weekend.

Amos measures the quality of life by how many postings he can make on Mudcat.

46784 posts so far which would be around 3000 hours invested so far while Bush was elected twice and impeached 0.

Try Bud Amos. It is much more satisfying and less stressful. ;-D

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 01:20 AM

I'll take that as a compliment, Sawz, Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Sawzaw
Date: 16 Oct 08 - 12:09 AM

There is a rumor that Sears and Roebuck has decided that their private brand of batteries was getting rather stale.

After much think tanking and casting about on the net they finally decided on a new name that surpasses even the Energizer Bunny.

Sears has decided to rename their Diehard Batteries, to Amos Batteries.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 15 Oct 08 - 03:37 PM

Trump: I wanted Bush impeached
Posted: 01:45 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney


Trump says that Bush got the US into a war with Iraq using lies.
(CNN) – Business mogul Donald Trump told CNN Wednesday House Speaker Nancy Pelosi should have sought to impeach President Bush when she had the chance.

In an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Trump said the president and his administration deliberately lied about the Iraq war, and congressional Democrats missed an opportunity to impeach him when the party took control of Congress in 2006.

"I was surprised that she didn't do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush," Trump said. "It was almost — it just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which personally I think would have been a wonderful thing."

Pressed why he feels Bush deserved the punishment faced by only two other commanders-in-chief, Trump said the president misled the country in the run-up to the Iraq war, and that his actions were considerably more objectionable than those which led to the impeachment of former President Bill Clinton.

"He lied. He got us into the war with lies," Trump said. And I mean — look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. And yet Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true."

In the wide-ranging interview set to air on CNN's The Situation Room at 4, 5, and 6 p.m. Wednesday, Trump also praised John McCain and said the Arizona senator still has a chance to win the White House despite recent polls showing he is substantially trailing Barack Obama.

"He's a very smart guy, he's a tough guy," he said. "I think he'd be a great president. But, he has to be John McCain and he could still probably pull it out. But, it's going to be tough."

...

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 07:57 PM

Another review article on the Impeachment book , this one from New Zealand.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 07:04 PM

Headlined on 10/13/08:
New Book: The 35 Articles of Impeachment and the Case for Prosecuting George W. Bush

by David Swanson    Page 1 of 2 page(s)

www.opednews.com


By Congressman Dennis Kucinich

With Additional Material by David Swanson and Elizabeth de la Vega
trade paperback edition • 156 pages • 5.5 x 8.5 • ISBN: 978-1-932595-42-0 • $12


Feral House offers this important and urgent publication of Dennis Kucinich's Articles of Impeachment this election season in two formats: an offset-printed paperback book available for the cost of $12 and a free downloadable PDF available below.


David Swanson's additional article explains how the Impeachment process is possible and necessary even after the guilty perp leaves office, and how they can be used for prosecution of crimes. Those wishing to purchase over ten copies of the printed book can obtain them at discount from Feral House directly. Please contact [e-mail] for costs.

"More than two centuries ago, the Founders of this country set forth a procedure for Congress to follow in the event of grave abuse of power by the Chief Executive. That process is impeachment. In the face of the monumental deceit and disregard for the Constitution that we have witnessed on the part of the President over the past seven years, Congressman Kucinich's initiation of this process is neither fanciful nor futile, neither vengeful nor vindictive; it is the sober fulfillment of his sworn duty as a Congressman to follow the law without regard to personal consequence and misguided political stratagem. It is, quite simply, an act of patriotism."
—Elizabeth de la Vega, Former Federal Prosecutor
and author of United States v. George W. Bush et. al.

"This collection of impeachable offenses should be viewed as a sampling of the crimes and abuses of President George W. Bush and his subordinates. Bush has had many accomplices — first and foremost Vice President Cheney. But our Founders created a single executive precisely so that we could hold that one person accountable for the actions of the executive branch. It is high time we did so, and millions of Americans will be urging their representatives to support the effort being led by Congressman Kucinich.

"These articles establish, and hearings would establish further, that President Bush was 'the decider' behind countless abuses of power. And, of course, his public comments have time and again advertised his indifference to the laws he is violating. Not only does overwhelming evidence show us that Bush knew his claims about WMDs to be false, but the president has shown us that he considers the question of truth or falsehood to be laughably irrelevant. When Diane Sawyer asked Bush why he had claimed with such certainty that there were so many weapons in Iraq, he replied: 'What's the difference? The possibility that [Saddam] could acquire weapons, If he were to acquire weapons, he would be the danger.'

"What's the difference? Hundreds of thousands of corpses and a fatal blow to the rule of law among nations. That's the difference. Unless we remove impeachment from the Constitution by failing to exercise it, in which case truth will no longer matter any more than justice or peace."
— David Swanson, creator of ImpeachCheney.org, Washington Director of Democrats.com and co-founder of the AfterDowningStreet.org

"Overload is the main problem—I call it outrage fatigue. The sheer multitude, not to mention magnitude, of impeachable offenses tends to dull the senses. The opportunity to dig into just one or two provided some space and focused the mind.

"At the same time, the deeper one digs, the more unimaginable the dirt that comes up. Earlier, I had not taken the time to sift through the abundant evidence of the unconscionable ways in which George Bush and George Tenet teamed up—including, in Tenet's case, lying under oath—to stave off charges of misfeasance/ malfeasance before the attacks on 9/11.

"The Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to create a system in which we could protect ourselves from unbridled power. Today, we cannot let a 21st Century string of abuses and usurpations stand without challenge.

"But the experience of the past several years shows that there is a very high hurdle in our way: no Common Sense. I refer, of course, to the courageous independent journalism of the likes of Tom Paine who stirred the innate dignity of Americans toward sacrifice for independence and freedom. Tom Paine would be horrified to see what has become of his profession today—with browbeaten journalists and former general officers doing the bidding of the corporations that own/pay them.

"In my view, impeachment proceedings are essential to:

* Reestablish the separation of powers in our Constitution as a check on the so-called unitary executive
* Prevent a budding—and catastrophic—US attack on Iran by exposing it as yet another war of aggression against a country posing no threat to the US;
* Call attention to the blood already drained from our civil liberties and staunch the bleeding.

"Impeachment proceedings may be the only way to force the captive media to inform normal citizens about what has been going on in our country. Thomas Jefferson underscored the importance of this when he said: 'Whenever the people are well informed, they can be trusted with their own government.'"
—Ray McGovern; former Army officer and CIA analyst;
co-founder, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

"President Bush, Cheney and other US officials have violated numerous domestic and international laws governing crime of aggression, war crime, torture, etc., and they should be not only impeached by the US Congress but also be prosecuted by a special prosecutor, to the full extent of the law before or after impeachment. That is the best way to uphold the US Constitution and the rule of law at home and abroad."
—John Kim, Esq., Attorney; author of The Crime
of Aggression Against Iraq

"The breadth of impeachable offenses committed by the Bush/Cheney administration is likely unparalleled in our nation's history. Equally unparalleled, and in many cases even more alarming and outrageous, is the lack of accountability brought to the perpetrators of these High Crimes and Misdemeanors. It is the Constitutional duty of members of Congress—members from any political party—to bring such accountability, particularly when the list of crimes began with the very acts that brought this administration into office during their elections, and right up through today when the same sort of crimes continue, and are in place to try and affect our next Presidential Election.

More on site here

A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 07:07 AM

Amos:

"Why do you think it is okay to spew these unfounded generalities and pretend they are facts? Don't you think this is a disservice to the democratic process. spreading false impressions? Why aren't you more responsible for your own communications?"


Or do you still insist YOU have some special rights that the rest of us do not have?

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Sawzaw
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 12:16 AM

posted by Dee G on Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:21 AM

Bush is old news. It makes more sense to start impeachment hearings now on President obama. Impeachment takes time, and we'll need to get obama out before he really messes things up. (Helping Iran nuke Israel, giving a weapons grade reactor to N Korea, giving CA and AZ to Mexico, "redeploying" troops from Middle East to N Central Africa, banning petroleum-based transportation, etc)

obama is guilty of all the same things as Bush.

IMPEACH obama NOW !!

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 01:41 PM

"Your esteemed hero has done more harm to this nation under law than anyone ever entrusted with such influence before him." - Amos

Now Amos, you see that is the sort of remark that quite frankly mystifies me.

You, like Bobert and few others on this forum, seem to hold the avowed belief that just because someone does not dutifully fall in "line-astern" and fawningly agree with every ill-constructed fantasty, myth, misrepresentation and down-right lie regarding George W. Bush that that someone must regard GWB as an "esteemed hero", must be a "neo-con Bushite". You and those who think like you are wrong, completely wrong, but there is no way that I could ever persuade you, or the others of that so I am simply not going to attempt it. At least with George W. Bush what America got when it needed it was leadership - he unlike his predecessor was capable of taking tough decisions. Come November 4th the USA gets to chose again - In Obama you get an empty suit who can and will deliver nothing.


I do not like it when people spout complete and utter rot, based not on any actual evidence, but on a politically bias and expect that rot to be taken as gospel. I dislike it when that rot is exposed for what it is by others, that that person is then personally attacked and perfectly reasonably formed questions and substantiated facts are totally ignored.

So it is your opinion that George W. Bush, "has done more harm to this nation under law than anyone ever entrusted with such influence before him"? Well that at least is progress, if you think that all has been done "under law" then there is no question of "impeachment".

But on that premise outlined in your stated opinion - that George W. Bush, "has done more harm to this nation under law than anyone ever entrusted with such influence before him." - I would like to make this observation:

If George W. Bush's immediate predecessor had spent more time concentrating on looking after his country's interests instead of attempting to win popularity contests and continually taking the easy options matters would never have advanced to the head that they did.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 12:52 PM

The only person I expect to consider my viewpoint sacred, Bruce, is me. For everyone else, it's a sovereign choice. I do not object to people who disagree with me. I would appreciate their trying to communicate by exchanging ideas instead of murky clouds of armwaving innuendo, or jejeune rhetorical mockery, neither of which is very becoming.

A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 10:55 AM

Heez, Amos, *** I *** look forward to the day that you apply the same standards to others that you insist on for your own comments.



When you stop demanding that your viewpoint be given "sacred" status, and allow others the same rights that you demand for yourself, the threads will be a far more balanced, and fairer place.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 10:22 AM

Geeze, Bruce, I look forward to the day when you quit being a Mirror Mocker. It's just puerile.

Teribus, spout what you will mate. Your esteemed hero has done more harm to this nation under law than anyone ever entrusted with such influence before him.

A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Oct 08 - 10:16 AM

Another month gone, welcome to October Amos.

While moves seem definitely underway to impeach Robert Mugabe, impeachment proceedings against either President George W. Bush or Vicve-President Dick Cheney are no more likely now as when this thread was launched all those years ago.

In just over 32 days you lot will have elected yourselves a new President. Hopefully he and his Vice President will concern themselves with matters in hand and all this nonsense will be forgotten.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 02:59 PM

Move to impeach Mugabe delayed

"Moves by opposition MPs in Zimbabwe to impeach President Robert Mugabe have been delayed.

A Movement for Democratic Change (MDC) official said the party was unable to speak to the parliamentary speaker to table the impeachment motion, but would carry on trying to do so.

The attempt to impeach Mr Mugabe comes at a time of growing unrest over surging food prices.

Robert Mugabe
Mugabe: Certain to survive impeachment attempt
The MDC holds 57 of the country's 150 parliamentary seats - enough to start proceedings but short of the two-thirds majority needed to impeach Mr Mugabe.

Although it is unlikely to get an impeachment, the MDC hopes the move will increase pressure on Mr Mugabe to resign.

MDC officials say they have not been able to pin down the speaker of parliament, Emmerson Mnangagwa, a close friend and advisor to Mr Mugabe.

"We have prepared our impeachment papers and they are ready, but we will not be able to table our motion today seeking to impeach the President of the Republic of Zimbabwe because we have not been able so far to secure an appointment with the speaker," Gibson Sibanda, leader of the MDC in parliament.

"We'll be trying to meet him tonight and we are going to table the motion tomorrow."

AMOS:

"TI find it poignant, somehow, that in a single day's headlines three disparate voices agree on a single theme. One is Elliot Adams, a United States veteran and a direct descendant of Samuel Adams, the Founding Father.   The second is Robert Mugabe, the president of Zimbabwe, a descendant of the ancient forefathers of Africa. The third is Mahmoud Ahmadinajad, the President of Iran, perhaps a descendant of ancient Darius or the founders of Mespotamian civilization.

All three of these men believe George Bush should be tried or impeached for his offenses.
"

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 01:25 PM

And my comment is that many of YOUR postings are just attempts to use a bad cloud of disreputable press about someone else, to discolor the Bush administration by implied association and innuendo.


"I object to it, on the basis that there is no factual support offered for the implication. Call me sleazy if you like, pal, but in my book this sort of innuendo-mongering, trying to stir up hate without factual bases, is sleazy. "

Thus my choice of words- glad that you agree with it.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 01:11 PM

I'm sleazy, then, Bruce. If you don't see the differences, you're going to end up thinking that. This is just an attempt to use a bad cloud of disreputable press about someone else, to discolor the Obama campaign by implied association and innuendo. I object to it, on the basis that there is no factual support offered for the implication. Call me sleazy if you like, pal, but in my book this sort of innuendo-mongering, trying to stir up hate wioothout factual bases, is sleazy.

A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: beardedbruce
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 12:55 PM

Amos,

It is somewhat.... sleazy to use "rumor-mongering and innuendo " throughout this thread, and refuse to supply specific facts when requested, and then demand that others do so when you do not like the points that they have brought up.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 12:17 PM

PRetty sweeping generalities, there Sawz. Maybe you don't like dealing in specifics, and think that rumor-mongering and innuendo is the proper way to communicate. If so, you need to rethink this.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Sawzaw
Date: 01 Oct 08 - 11:45 AM

Indict or impeach?
September 29, 2008

After what has happened in the last few days, it's more likely that Gov. Rod Blagojevich (Democrat) will be indicted or impeached or both.

• The Tribune reported on Sunday that convicted political fixer Tony Rezko (Obama's buddy) has talked to federal prosecutors and may cooperate in their investigation of the governor's administration. At closing arguments in Rezko's trial, a federal prosecutor told jurors that his crimes involved "the highest levels of power in Illinois." Rezko has refused to help investigators—until, apparently, now.

• The Illinois appellate court on Friday issued a ruling that could provide reason for the legislature to remove Blagojevich. He decided to spend tens of millions of dollars to expand a state health care insurance program even though the legislature wouldn't approve it. The court told Blagojevich to stop the program—and said his administration can't even identify how many people have enrolled in it.

Federal prosecutors will pursue their investigation of the Blagojevich administration's notorious pay-to-play politics. Having the cooperation of Rezko, once one of Blagojevich's closest confidants, would greatly help to determine if the governor was involved in criminal wrongdoing. All the rest of us—lawmakers, political leaders, citizens—can do is wait for the prosecutors to complete their investigation.....

Change we can believe in, brought to you by the Chicago Political Machine.

Clout Street
Blagojevich ticked off a list of elected officials who also have ties to the indicted developer. While not naming them, he made reference to everyone from Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama to House Speaker Michael Madigan, his political nemesis, and Madigan's daughter, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 11:39 AM

THanks, as usual, for a sturdy rebuttal, Mister T.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Teribus
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 11:35 AM

OK then Amos let's give Charles Bellizzi of Streamwood, Illinois his lead shall we and see how far he gets with his, "one bit of proof: How about when asked if he was still in the hunt for Bin Ladin? His response was and "I don't give it much thought anymore." That, my friend, is reason enough for me."

Does Mr. Bellizzi of Streamwood honestly believe, or expect that, the President of the United States of America should be "in the hunt for Bin Laden"?? From this, I take it that Mr. Bellizzi, like yourself Amos, when it comes to matters relating to George W. Bush as President of the United States just cannot put aside absolutley damn silly questions. As far as I am aware there have been thousands of US troops actively engaged in hunting down Osama Bin Laden and the rest of the leadership of Al-Qaeda and the Taleban in Afghanistan and along the Afghan-Pakistan Border for seven years now, they have never stopped, or tired in their efforts to capture or kill those men, in fact they've come damn close on occasion. Now can Chuck, detail the many and varied successful Al-Qaeda attacks that have resulted from lack of concentration on the part of the Chief Executive - I somehow think that he'd be pushed to do that don't you? So I think Chuck of Streamwood wouldn't get very far in the prosecution of his case.

Now the second part where Mr Bellizzi plaintively remarks:

"One of the things he is sworn to do is protect America from its enemies and he doesn't think about it much anymore. Are you kidding me?"

Oh no Mr. Bellizzi, I am not kidding you, the current holder of the Office of President of the United States of America has a far better track record with regard to protecting America than his predecessor - Now that could be easily demonstrated in any court Mr. Bellizzi wants to prosecute his case.

Once again Amos present evidence, not opinion that you think is evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 29 Sep 08 - 09:28 AM

"I just couldn't let this get by: a recent call to stop calls for impeachment of Bush by Joe of Elk Grove Village.

He states that there is no indisputable proof to impeach Bush. Well, I have one bit of proof: How about when asked if he was still in the hunt for Bin Ladin? His response was and "I don't give it much thought anymore." That, my friend, is reason enough for me.

One of the things he is sworn to do is protect America from its enemies and he doesn't think about it much anymore. Are you kidding me?

Or maybe lying to America about weapons of mass destruction and taking us into a war we should not be in. It has cost some 4,200 fine military soldiers their lives and some 28,000 to be very seriously injured and who knows to what extent it has cost the Iraqi people, That's just for starters.

I'm sure though if he were brought before Congress or a court, he would follow the steps of all the rest who have come and gone in this administration. He would simply say "I don't remember" or "I don't recall" or what seems to be the new strategy, blame the Democrats."

Charles Bellizzi

Streamwood, Ill.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 11:46 AM

Which again amounts to nothing. Amos is only capable of repeating things like a parrot and blurting out statements like "this thread is horseshit" and "shut the fuck up".

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 09:51 AM

I've told you what I know.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 08:17 AM

When you say Bush should be impeached and Mugabe and Ahmadinajad say the csame, what are you implying?

Don't keep is in suspense Amos. Do you think we should take "Mugabe's advice, generally, or Ahmadinajad's" or not?

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: beardedbruce
Date: 26 Sep 08 - 07:18 AM

Amos,


"Go wash your mouth out with soap and write 100 times "I will not conflate things that are different"."

I will be reminding you of this, in comments on the "Popular opinion " threads.



" As far as I know they are both untrustworthy, but to be honest, I only have second-hand reports to go on, never having corresponded with or met either of them."

ANd I can say the same of Obama, and many of those you have quoted on this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:14 PM

I accept your offer of buddy-hood, Sawz. Your a fun sparring partner even if you are a boneheaded mammlucca.

The conflation was between my pointing out that these three guys said similar things at the same time, and your adding incorrectly the idea that that means I say we should listen to Mugabe's advice, generally, or Ahmadinajad's. As far as I know they are both untrustworthy, but to be honest, I only have second-hand reports to go on, never having corresponded with or met either of them.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 09:49 PM

"a descendant of the ancient forefathers of Africa"

Late breaking news Amos. We are all a descendant of the ancient forefathers of Africa. Even Bush.

And exactly what was conflated? You need to wash the "this thread is horseshit" or "shut the fuck up" statement of your out of your mouth.

When did I call you an asshole like you called me? When did I accuse you of being a burger flipper and car parker like you called me?

But anyway you're still my buddy and I would flip a burger for you or park your car without hesitation even if you do post crap here and pretend it is the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 07:00 PM

Nastier still Sawzhole.

I remarked on a coincidence of viewpoints and you and Brucie have to go put words in my mouth, try to find some grounds for slander and defamation.

Go wash your mouth out with soap and write 100 times "I will not conflate things that are different".


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 06:54 PM

Amos: Are you serious when you say we should listen to the advice of Robert Mugabe and Mahmoud Ahmadinajad?

I think you need a rest. Take a vacation in Iran and / or Zimbabwe.

If you make it back alive you can tell us how much better the are presidents there than the president here. Venesuela and North Korea too.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:43 AM

BB:

Oooh, nasty.

I didn't say anything about the merits of these people.

I simply remarked that all three of them made the same assertion on the same day, and that they have very contrasting backgrounds and heritages.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:28 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: beardedbruce
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:17 AM

" The second is Robert Mugabe, the president of Zimbabwe, a descendant of the ancient forefathers of Africa. The third is Mahmoud Ahmadinajad, the President of Iran, perhaps a descendant of ancient Darius or the founders of Mespotamian civilization.

All three of these men believe George Bush should be tried or impeached for his offenses."

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You are in such good company. Going to dig up Stalin and Hitler to support your opinions, as well?

Do you even look at what you are posting???

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 11:08 AM

I find it poignant, somehow, that in a single day's headlines three disparate voices agree on a single theme. One is Elliot Adams, a United States veteran and a direct descendant of Samuel Adams, the Founding Father.   The second is Robert Mugabe, the president of Zimbabwe, a descendant of the ancient forefathers of Africa. The third is Mahmoud Ahmadinajad, the President of Iran, perhaps a descendant of ancient Darius or the founders of Mespotamian civilization.

All three of these men believe George Bush should be tried or impeached for his offenses.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 25 Sep 08 - 10:00 AM

"we are today. Bankrupt & Broke, dispised, shunned by our allies, dumbed down in disgrace, weak & sickly, uninsured & unhealthy"

You are certainly in bad shape. Do you speak for everyone. I consider my self lucky to be living in the country with the best standard of living and the most opportunities in the entire Galaxy.

If you are skeptical, ask those people floating through shark infested waters on leaky inner tubes and those people trekking through the desert with no food or water, why they should want to come to such a hell hole as the US.

Tell them truth about America and tell them to turn around and go back before they end up like you.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 07:53 AM

Fear not Barry, the USA, the free democracies of the West and the economic system that drive them have weathered far worse storms in the past and survivied. My prediction is that they will survive this one as well, despite all the doom amd gloom spread about by the chattering left on this forum.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Barry Finn
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 02:07 AM

Had we impeached when we first had the chance we would not be where we are today. Bankrupt & Broke, dispised, shunned by our allies, dumbed down in disgrace, weak & sickly, uninsured & unhealthy & going down for a third term, opps, sorry 3rd time!

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 01:41 AM

Standby for the rest of Dennis's Articles of Impeachment, most of which are too ridiculous for words.

"It does not address the intentional falsification."

What "intentional falsification" Amos? And on the part of whom? Just because you and a smattering of others believe that to have been the case doesn't make it so. You have levelled the accusation that there was "intentional falsification", all I want to know is on what grounds? Where is your evidence? Or are you merely content with a justice system based upon smear, rumour and lies? I would imagine that if you were subject to proceedings based upon such a system you would be screaming like a stuck pig at the iniquity of it.

You may well have heard all these arguements before Amos - But you have never addressed them, or countered them.

All of which Amos leads me to believe that there will be no "Impeachment" proceedings against either George W Bush or Dick Cheney.

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 24 Sep 08 - 12:02 AM

TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE
U.S. House of Representatives
Washington, D.C. 20515
THE IRAQI WMD CHALLENGE -- Myths and Reality
February 10, 1998

Nobody likes the idea of Saddam Hussein having weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and missiles capable of delivering their lethal warheads. The ramifications of their potential use in anger -- the numbers of fatalities and injured they might inflict -- are horrendous. However, as the US is getting ready to bomb in Iraq in order to address the challenge of that country's remaining WMD arsenal, one should examine dispassionately what might be conceivably accomplished, and what would be the ramifications of the massive bombing campaign the Clinton Administration is advocating.

Despite Baghdad's protestations, Iraq does have a small but very lethal operational arsenal of WMD and platforms capable of delivering them throughout the Middle East and even beyond. Although Iraq has been subjected to an unprecedented regimen of UN inspection and destruction of strategic military programs since the end of the Gulf War in the Spring of 1991, the international community has proven incapable of learning the entire scope of the Iraqi programs for fielding weapons of mass destruction, let alone eliminate these programs as mandated by the Security Council.....

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 11:40 PM

"Cheney's "one percent doctrine"marginalized the CIA, whose inconvenient facts (there was no al Qaeda-Iraq connection"

ABC News 1999

Subject: RE: BS: A Declaration of Impeachment
From: Amos
Date: 23 Sep 08 - 11:15 PM

Oh, by all means. Be sure, too, to mishmash the context, alter the sequence and change the meaning of everything you read opbsessively so you can maintain a good argument.

Teribus: Thanks for your "case for the defense" postings. Nothing that I haven't seen before. It does not address the intentional falsification.

A