BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 May 05 - 09:31 AM

If you can't find "nerchandise", you may have to be contented with "merchandise".

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 15 May 05 - 08:35 AM

Well, well, Walmart earnings are out and the Street did not like them (source--MSN Money 13 May 2005).

Walmart took a hit, both on Thursday and Friday--still dragging along the bottom of its 52-week range--in fact, as I pointed out earlier, anybody who bought Walmart in January 2000 is still considerably below water.

Interestingly enough, however, Target did fine, and Costco is still in the middle of its 52-week range. Aside from Walmart, the retail sector appears in good shape.

Certainly hope Doug R and "Martin" followed their own advice and rushed out to buy Walmart stock when they were urging everybody else to do so. I'm sure they did buy it then, since they certainly wouldn't want to be considered hypocrites.

The word is that Walmart is feeling the effects of its wretched policies towards its own employees, resulting in an amazing cornucopia of legal problems (perhaps they should change their name to "Lawsuits R Us"). The suits include gender discrimination and wage and hour violations, among many, many others.

But not just that--Walmart is "struggling with same-store execution".

Translation: Walmart is rotting.

Come on now, Doug R and "Martin"--get out there and buy that wonderful Walmart nerchandise you crave so much. Don't let the team down.

With "Martin" 's wonderful instincts, its no wonder he's such a successful businessman.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: harpgirl
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 11:12 PM

Martin Gibson is really lepus rex.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 11:08 PM

Congratulations, "Martin" (or is it Bozo?). You've actually emerged from the gutter, Why don't you stay out of it, though it's been your home for so long? You'll find the air up here is actually a lot better.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: dianavan
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 10:00 PM

Reputable?

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Apr 05 - 09:14 PM

Mark, "Martin", Bozo, or whatever you're going under these days--



Still waiting for your proof of our mocking religion.



Also, re: fat bearded balding guys (21 Apr 2005 10:23 PM)

You've been looking in the mirror too much lately.


As anyone who's met me can tell you--wrong on all 3 counts.

Try slim, cleanshaven, with lots of blond hair (on my head, even).

And taller than you.

Of course, that's no real challenge--I suspect half the women on Mudcat are taller than you--one of the myriad (look it up) sources of your insecurity and resentment of the world at large.

So you're 0 for 3 (or 0 for 4 if you count "Socialist".)

Of course, you're the one who brought up appearances. Most of us realize how important they are--not.

Why don't you go back to guitars?-- (as I said earlier, the one topic you may possibly know something about).

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Big Mick
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 11:15 PM

Actually I am just ignoring you, except when I want to make you dance. It is easy to do, rosenmutter putz in drecht. But I will let you in on a little secret. I have a rule that I haven't broken in a long time. I never delete anything you say about me. Whenever that has happened it has been others, and they make the decision on their own without any input from me. It is a little concept that you are not familiar with. It is called ethics. Read up on it, but it can get deep so read slow and for comprehension.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 10:51 PM

In plain English, which there is a chance you might understand:

Stop whining.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Apr 05 - 10:50 PM

"Martin" Mark, or whatever the ineffable name happens to be (look it up, o nameless one)--

You have given more than ample reason to be bleeped by anybody just stumbling on this thread for the first time, as on virtually any other thread on which you have graced us with your presence. Except possibly guitar threads.

And this is no mystery to you.

You know what the rules are.

If you can't stand the heat....

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 08:51 PM

"Socialist"?   Try Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: GUEST,Noah Webster
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 07:29 PM

Martin Gibson, it took me awhile to figure out what you've been trying to say with this "SOO-DOH" thing. Then it occured to my that since you are only semi-literate, you didn't know how to spell it.

It's "P-S-E-U-D-O." Pseudo-.

Just so you don't make the mistake of mispronouncing it, the "P" is silent (you know, as in swimming).

Call on me amytime.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 03:44 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]Dick Gozinia Davies, I don't have to prove anything. You prove it all of the time yourself.

Put up or shut up? Your socialist and arrogant attitude speaks volumes on what kind of POMPOUS AND ELITIST moron you and Big Mick both are.

Deal with it. I think you both really suck. Others here do, also.


jpk, you are at this point, unintelligable and just mumbling. Go drink some chocolate milk or something.

Jesus, the SOO-DOH intellectuals here just take this forum so seriously.

Oh well, just another day of mocking the mockers, who just can't stand it when it's dished back at them.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: jpk
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 03:25 PM

also re 18 apr ,gripping about someone sitting at a computer allday,seems to me m.g. sure has a lot of postings floating around.could there be more than one,lord,lord isure hope not!

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: jpk
Date: 23 Apr 05 - 03:09 PM

well m.g. re 18 apr you whine about poor then brag about walmart stock which is it you rich or poor.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 10:45 PM

"Intellectual heft of a flea"--what a felicitous turn of phrase, Mick. And so apt.



Mark "Martin"----

Still waiting for just one quote, by either Mick or me, which mocks religion, as per your post of 20 Apr 2005 9:19 PM.


We're coming to the put up or shut up stage--sorry I have to be blunt, but it appears that anything more subtle is lost on you.


By the way, why do I think you and Doug in fact have not bought any Walmart lately, even though this puts you both in grave danger of hypocrisy? Let's just call it ESP.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 06:41 PM

Ron, isn't it funny that when called on facts, this puppy just goes to name calling? Still has the intellectual heft of a flea.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 05:46 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]jpk, about as clever as could be imagined from an idiot as yourself.
About as effective as going na, na, nan, na na.


Ron Dick Gozinia Davies. You and Mick are mockeries of just about everything that is what's good about America. along with your seething arrogance, of course. bitch, whine, and complain must be such a tiresome lifestyle.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: jpk
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 05:14 PM

hi M>G> well mine might have been a barn,but it was ours.now how about that outhouse you came from.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 07:11 AM

Hubby--

Indeed, excellent suggesstion---why don't you and Mr Rosenmutter ("Martin") rush out and buy Walmart while it's down?--I'm sure you wouldn't want to to be thought hypocrites for not doing what you urge others to do.

Walmart at this point is what is known as a "mature" stock---read "rotting".

Enjoy!


Mr. Rosenmutter ("Martin")--

Please be so good as to quote at least one instance in which either Mick or I have mocked religion.

Thank you so much.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: dianavan
Date: 22 Apr 05 - 02:15 AM

Actually the whole market does not suck. My ethical growth funds are up again.

People are starting to pay attention.

Shareholder action is a powerful tool for corporate change.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 10:23 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]Ron Davies, OK if you want to call me by some goofy name Rosenmucker, I will take the pleasure of always referring to you as Ron "douche bag" Davies. Doesn't matter to me. Rosenfucker is not my real name and either is Martin Gibson.

But Ron "Douche Bag" Davies is most certainly yours and you are a better bag of chemicals for it.

Yeah, Wal-Mart is at a good price now. The whole market sucks. Actually it went up today about a half a point. You guys should have bought, but the fact of the matter is, the majority of you fat, bearded, balding guys know nothing about business. Most socialists don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 10:05 PM

Dave - You are probably right.

I'm glad someone is making them accountable for their share of the responsibility. 'Its pretty easy to say, I didn't know anything about it...' but not so easy to find labour that cheap anywhere else.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 03:24 PM

Oh, good. They weren't actually SELLING slaves, just using slave labor.

That sure makes 'em moral & upstanding & engaging in fair competition in the marketplace.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 01:17 PM

Way back up the thread somewhere, Dianavan said:

There's also a story circulating that WalMart was busted for transporting illegal alien to clean their stores. Any truth to it?

You got a wrong handle on the story, Dianavan.   Close, but no cigar.

Wal-Mart was having outside contractors come in to clean the stores. The INS jumped the contractors for using illegal aliens. There were charges against Wal-Mart (as I recall) for not supervising the contractors who were being brought in to clean, to make sure they were using only legals.

No-one (at least to my knowledge) claimed that Wal-Mart was "transporting illegal alien(s) to clean their stores", but only that, in the never-ending search for the lowest-priced vendor, they were turning a blind eye toward the vendor's practices. The idea was, "They must have known," or maybe "They should have known."

If I'm mistaken in the above, I'm absolutely sure someone will correct me.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 08:59 AM

Right, but don't answer the point made.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 07:38 AM

Wow...WM stock @ $47?


Sounds like a bargain to me.
Buy it while it's down.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Apr 05 - 07:13 AM

Mr. Rosenmutter (AKA "Martin"):

Don't bother to tell us you had the vision to get in at the start of Walmart. Your credibility in this, as on virtually everything else ---(please, "Martin"--talk to us about guitars--it's the only thing you may know something about)---is somewhat below zero.

As one of my most admired stock analysts on this forum (recognize anybody, "Martin"?) said "This just in":

Walmart hit another 12-month low yesterday.

January 2000 to January 2005 Walmart has been worse than stagnant. Hit about 68 in January 2000. Never even has hit 65 since then. Yesterday's close was about 47.

In that time (Jan 2000 to Jan 2005) Costco almost doubled.

Yes, with your superior knowledge, I'm sure you're a giant in the business world.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 10:04 PM

Hubby--

"This thread is doomed" 7:35 AM 20 Apr 2005----if you think about it a bit, you may just possibly figure out that every thread is doomed. Duh.

But it can always be resurrected. So, in common with most of what you've said, that statement is meaningless.

2 nephews of yours refused to join the union, so you're not a big fan of unions. OK, fine.
As Dianavan has pointed out, however, that was their choice--you make your choice and you live with the consequences. And pointing this out is by no means a personal attack--unless you're so sensitive as to perceive it that way.

If you can't stand the heat....


It's also clear from what you've said about workers that you would be the "boss from Hell"--well, I sure can't think of anybody who would voluntarily work for you.

I'm sure that your attitude toward workers had absolutely nothing to do with the failure of your businesses. On the other hand ,as I pointed out, Bobert, with his far more generous attitude toward employees (and people in general), started a successful business. I'm sure it's just total coincidence.

Also, still waiting for your comments on the Maryland legislation--I wonder why they would think Walmart should be contributing more toward medical care for the poor--unless it's for the reason I cited--Walmart systematically underpays its lower-paid workers, and provides such abysmal health care coverage that it has to be forced to do what it should already be doing.

Yes, I know you think companies have no obligation beyond paying minimum wage--certainly none on health care.

Ah, for the good old days before the labor movement. Sorry--they're gone--you lose.

As for the "wisdom" of the US electorate now voting conservative--actually it's pretty clear that the result this time was primarily due to the successfully hate- and fearmongering campaign of our illustrious "leader". Demogoguery works--that's been obvious long before Germany in the 1930's.

Always glad to hear your response.

But--just think-- if you want the thread to die, all you have to do is not respond.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:51 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]Hey Mick. Wal-Mart will get you a good price on those size 50 waist boxer shorts you need.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:49 PM

[bleep - for antisocial behavior]Ooooooooooooooohhh it was Big Mick who was the Guest.

Fat Old Big Mick lecturing us when he can't even seem to manage his own life and family.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:46 PM

OK, let's try this again. Hubby, like Martin, you are full of shit. When facts fail you, you fall back on tired old cliche's that simply aren't true. Historically, it wasn't the unions who started the violence. It wasn't the unions that had the National Guard, Pinkerton's and assorted other thugs killing it's members, their spouses and their children. Read about Ludlow sometime.

If you were half the patriot you seem to think you are, you would understand that your nephews tried to gain employment at a shop that had a union agreement. The law says that they must become members. Would you like to know why? It's because the union was formed when the folks that worked there chose to create a bargaining unit in a government supervised, democratic election. This is not a radical concept. There are many things in a society such as ours that we must comply with, even if we are opposed. Like taxes. If I had my way, I wouldn't pay one cent to support this stupid war we are in. If I had my way, not one cent of my property/income taxes would be used to give Walmart tax breaks when they don't need them. But I live in a democratic republic, believe in it, fought to defend it, shed blood for it, so I live with the rules. It is a great concept, and you really ought to look into it.

Doug, you are normally pretty intelligent, but when you have nothing better to say, you resort to the cheap shot. The evidence is pretty conclusive. The destruction of peoples collective bargaining rights have many reasons, not the least of which is a concerted effort by business interests, and their lobbyists, and their shills in the Republican party, to weaken the laws which protect workers who simply want a voice in their workplace.

And hubby, one more thing. Walmart, if they are following the law (which they generally don't), doesn't get to choose if they have a union. But they violate the law wholesale, intimidate the workers, and that is how they remain union free.

Which brings me full circle to the question that all you right wing wacko's refuse to answer. How is it that decent, upstanding, respect-the-laws, let kids die to defend us, conservatives such as yourselves don't seem to have values when someone continually break the law? This company has a record that is a mile long, but that doesn't seem to bother you. Why? Because you are hypocrites, that's why.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:19 PM

DougR, Hubby, etc,

These moron libs can dish it out but sure get bent out of shape when you give it back to them.

All liberals do is mock, laugh at, and criticize. Mock the government, mock religion, mock big business. They are the ones who should be mocked. Much of the entertainment value I find out of this place below the line is to mock the mockers.

The howling that results is what kind of keeps me coming back.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:13 PM

jpk you haven't got a clue.

Cheap goods? What, like name brand items like perhaps Tide Laundry detergent or Tylenol, or maybe the bottles of Coca-Cola or perhaps the Crayola crayons for the kids at school.

And don't give me that idiotic crap that they make them cheaper for Wal-Mart. Name brand companies are not going to jeopardize their reputations.

You obviously were educated in a heavily populated barn.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 09:01 PM

If only The Douggie would take his own Texican-style advice...

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: DougR
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 06:32 PM

Yep, Hubby, you got that right. They are masters at personal attack. Your comment to Greg F. reminds me of an old Texas saying: Sometimes it is better to remain silent and be thought ignorant, than it is to speak and remove all doubt. :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: jpk
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 06:28 PM

to all of you die hard union bashers(unions can do some good as well as bad)look up the employment practices of the duponts,rockafellers,westinghouses,vanderbilts,and all the rest of the old name,turn of the last century money families, i think that you will find that they were not very saintly. in fact mister M.G. sounds to me that like[cheap goods] of all kinds.does that include peoples labor as well as maybe there lives,just so you can buy your cheap walmart (china made?)crap!

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 07:35 AM

This thread is doomed........once again the libs are caught with the "deer in the headlights" look and know that they can make no viable argument so resorting to changing the subject and personal attacks are coming to light. You guys never change.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Apr 05 - 12:13 AM

A
He had choice between joining the union or joining the Army.

He joined the Army.

He had a choice between joining the union or joining the Navy.

He joined the Navy.

I'd say they weren't very good choices. Maybe they need more education to help them make good decisions. Sounds like a lack of critical consciousness to me. Maybe a better education would have helped them to consider their choices more carefully.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: GUEST,Bobby George
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 06:30 PM

123
... never won a game

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:49 PM

Nothing could embarrass you Greg F. Except if someone saw your schmuck and how little it is.

What you guys don't get is how funny it is that you hate Wal-Mart and all things corporate and such and how you have absolutely no effect on them. You just like to posture and act like radical leftists and therefore you justify your failures in being a part of society.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:20 PM

Lo siento mucho, Bubby- but your lack of knowledge & understanding and your fallacious reasoning don't embarrass me in the least.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 04:04 PM

Thank you Greg for your insightful views.

and to you I say you're right. It was his choice on whether or not to take those jobs. He chose not to.....


Just like it's WM's CHOICE to not let unions come in and decide for everybody what's best for their company.

If you would just think before you speak you would really save a lot of embarrassment.



Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 03:44 PM

He refused to join the union and he couldn't get a job

Hey, Bubby, tough shit. Its his own fault- his choice. All choices have consequences & he'll just have to learn to live with his, like a grown-up. Something you might try, as well.

Your complete ignorance of the history of labor in the U.S. (or possibly simply your complete ignorance-vide below- is glaring. You've got the leg-breaking, bat-toting thugs on the wrong side of the equation.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 03:26 PM

Good post, Hubby. Too bad it's like talking to a bottle of laxatives.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 01:44 PM

Mick and Ron,


Although I appreciate your critiquing of my business experience, both of you have no clue nor would even attempt at guessing the true reasons why I have closed the businesses that I have had. Stop trying to turn this dialogue into a demon hunt because you can't support your own ideas. It just shows how desperate the union mentality is to be back to your glory days before the American electorate got smart and started voing more conservative.
The days of the UAW, Teamsters, AFL-CIO, and whatever other leg-breaking, bat-toting, thug organizations you guys belong to are long over. Reagan was right whenever he fired the ATC's for their illegal strike. I just wish that some of the companies in the US would have the guts to do that instead of moving out of the country because of the extortion tactics that you guys seem to hold dear to your hearts. It's true....you guys cost more jobs than you create.
Face the facts. You bitch about wages and benefits but you still manage to collect those union dues each and every month come hell or high water. I've got a nephew who tried and tried to become a steel worker and finally had to join the NAVY to become one. Why, do you ask? Because nobody would hire him due to the stranglehold that the United Steel Workers union have on all the big construction companies and telling them that they can't hire non-union steel workers. He refused to join the union and he couldn't get a job. How's that for putting people to work? I've got another nephew that wanted to work on a loading dock for a trucking company but didn't want to join the Teamsters. He was fired because of the stranglehold that the Teamsters have on the trucking companies which dictate to them that they can't use casuals who don't belong to the union. What did he do? He joined the Army.
You know......on second thought.....maybe unions are a good thing. There's two shining examples of how unions have caused two very fine upstanding young men to join the military to fight for your freedom of telling people why they can't have the high paying jobs that your forever complaining about. I owe you thanks. Keep up the good work....pretty soon we'll have all the good ones and you'll be stuck with the WM rejects.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 12:50 PM

Actually they both are just rank.

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: DougR
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 12:43 PM

Thank you, Ron Davies and Greg F (good old greggie) for the insults. You both rank pretty high in my book too!

:>)
DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 09:57 AM

New year low is irrelevant when one had the vision to get in at the beginning, Ron Davies

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 08:35 AM

So, the question now becomes--are they ignorant or hypocritical?

"All of the above" is the correct answer.

Of course, they could simply be complete assholes.

(like the soon-to-be-confirmed U.S. ambassador to the UN)

Subject: RE: BS: Walmart: Union-Busting SOP
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 05 - 06:38 AM

Pay peanuts and you'll get monkeys.