BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 06:33 AM

"What's your point? "
My point is that this thread has been started because the pro-Zionist apologists on the 'Israeli atrocity' thread were getting the worst of it and have attempted to justify Israeli behaviour with the old "everybody does it" tactic.
Israel is a human rights offender and a recognised belligerant terrorist state, and it is dishonest and illogical to exclude it from any discussion on atrocities. Why exclude Israel; why not Zimbabwe; after all, the attack on the aid covoy is the most recent example we heve of an act of terrorism?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 04:17 AM

Everyone should watch this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsrMzfhdmkU

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jun 10 - 12:18 AM

That would seem like a nice, understandable strategic objective. ;-) Certainly worth one little ship and some South Korean sailors. So, Japan loses, North Korea loses, and South Korea loses, but the USA gets what it desires.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 09:55 PM

Or maybe not. Here's more evidence of a false flag operation. And the motive would be Japan's desire to get the US bases off Okinawa, and the US' intention to keep them there...

http://mostlywater.org/north_korean_ship_sinking_another_false_flag


This page has a link to a pdf of a letter sent to Hilary Clinton by one of the investigators...

http://letsrollforums.com/korean-ship-sinking-definitly-t21375.html?t=21375


The government of North Korea doesn't have anything to gain from an attack on the ship. The government of the US does. The government of North Korea, and the government of China both say that North Korea didn't do it. The government of China has been investigating also, and they say the US sunk the ship. Looks to me like a false flag operation designed to pressure the government of Japan into allowing the US to keep its bases in Japan.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 09:20 PM

I think I'm probably going to have to contact the editor of the site, beardedbruce, to find out where they got their information.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 09:19 PM

I saw a man who had to have at least a 60 inch waist wearing lime green short and a hot yellow "muscle shirt" at the store today. It was an aesthetic atrocity of the first water.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Joe_F
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 08:39 PM

"But unfortunately the truth about atrocities is far worse than that they are lied about and made into propaganda. The truth is that they happen." -- George Orwell, "Looking Back on the Spanish War" (1942)

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 08:25 PM

CarolC,

"The 'overwhelming evidence' is a torpedo propeller that 'had been corroding at least for several months,' reported the Korea Times."


When was this reported, and from what real source ( information, not the article)? Please provide clicky if you can- this is not in accord with the May 20th report.



"In April, the director of South Korea's national intelligence, Won See-hoon, told a parliamentary committee that there was no evidence linking the sinking of the Cheonan to North Korea. The defence minister agreed. The head of South Korea's military marine operations said, 'No North Korean warships have been detected [in] the waters where the accident took place.' The reference to 'accident' suggests the warship struck a reef and broke in two" "

I believe that April is before May 20th. Please correct me if I am wrong. You do not allow that additional information, not previously known, might be found? And that there would not be an interest in playing down speculation without evidence back in April, to cool things off?

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Roberto
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 05:35 PM

Jim Carroll (to me, Roberto): "Do you believe that other countries carrying out atrocities excuses those by Israel - otherwise, what's your point?"

I really can't aunderstand the meaning of your post. This thread's title reads "atrocities (other than Israeli)". I posted a summary of the ideas that Freedom House has about what are the worst statual and regional situations in the world in terms of human rights. I didn't even say if their opinion is mine. Do you mean that when we talk about atrocities we can't mention but Israel? What's your point?

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 04:45 PM

Bloody Sunday Report - AT LAST

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 04:08 PM

Sinking of the Belgrano by that concha madre thatcher.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Emma B
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 03:26 PM

What hope for peace is there when racism and bigotry exists on either side of the Apartheid Wall?

Particularly of concern is that these are the guys with the guns!

We're humans, they're animals

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 03:11 PM

In this video a female, Egyyptian lawyer says that Arab men should sexually harass Israeli women as a form of resistance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDqWGtykYNE&feature=related

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 02:48 PM

That's how they always do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 02:15 PM

Hmmmmm.   Do the words :"Gulf of Tonkin" start a train of thought in anyone's mind?.............

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 01:42 PM

Carol, I thought from the beginning that that alleged North Korean "attack" was very odd, because:

1. What possible gain would North Korea get from sinking one South Korean warship and possibly thereby triggering a war which could devastate both Koreas?

Answer: no possible gain. None whatsoever. Only disaster.

Therefore, why the hell would they do it? One might ask the same question about why the hell the Spanish would have sunk the Maine in Havana Harbour. It seems quite doubtful that they did (it may have blown up by accident...such things did happen with warships now and then...or it may have been a USA-planned "false flag" sabotage operation to provide an excuse for war....or the Cuban revolutionaries might have done it to help get the USA involved in liberating Cuba from Spain...but the LEAST likely possibility of all is that the Spanish would have done it! They could only meet disaster from such a foolish action.) Nevertheless, the American public reacted as if the Spanish had done it, and the American press publicized it as if the Spanish had done it, and PRESTO! They got the desired war with Spain...and the USA cheaply acquired an overseas empire with vital naval bases in Cuba and the Phillipines as a direct result of that.

This sort of shit mysteriously happens a lot when some large country is looking to create an international crisis from which it can gain advantage over some weaker country.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 01:30 PM

I wasn't thinking of you, mousethief, in any of my previous comments.


Here's an atrocity in the making. Yet another false flag operation...


On 20 May, South Korea announced that it had "overwhelming evidence" that one of its warships, the Cheonan, had been sunk by a torpedo fired by a North Korean submarine in March with the loss of 46 sailors. The United States maintains 28,000 troops in South Korea, where popular sentiment has long backed a détente with Pyongyang.

On 26 May, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton flew to Seoul and demanded that the "international community must respond" to "North Korea's outrage". She flew on to Japan, where the new "threat" from North Korea conveniently eclipsed the briefly independent foreign policy of Japanese prime minister Yukio Hatoyama, elected last year with popular opposition to America's permanent military occupation of Japan. The "overwhelming evidence" is a torpedo propeller that "had been corroding at least for several months," reported the Korea Times. In April, the director of South Korea's national intelligence, Won See-hoon, told a parliamentary committee that there was no evidence linking the sinking of the Cheonan to North Korea. The defence minister agreed. The head of South Korea's military marine operations said, "No North Korean warships have been detected [in] the waters where the accident took place." The reference to "accident" suggests the warship struck a reef and broke in two.

http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=578

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 12:42 PM

I included My Lai, and the Trail of Tears, among other US atrocities in my list. We're not all blind to the failings of our own nation.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 12:01 PM

I notice bobad and some others are mostly mentioning atrocities committed by countries with whom Israel is pissed off. That kind of behavior seems to be motivated more by political considerations than any genuine concern for human suffereing. And the chart in bobad's link to the worst atrocities is a joke. It doesn't include any of the atrocities that have been committed by the US, like the illegal and covert bombing of Laos and Cabodia, or even the millions of people killed by the US in the Vietnam war.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 11:58 AM

"Included in this report are nine countries...."
As I said Roberto - the Israelis are doing their best - give them time and they'll get there.
Do you believe that other countries carrying out atrocities excuses those by Israel - otherwise, what's your point?
"but very few posters here seem to address atrocities unless they directly relate to Israel."
The previous thread was concerned directly with Israeli atrocities at sea - the OP chose to deliberately exclude Israeli abuses (wonder why? maybe as a diversion from those atrocities)
I think you'll find that most of us are fairly even-hannded towards all acts of abuse and terrorism (except the OP who doesn't want us to discuss Israel).
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 11:52 AM

And Israel is second because many of the other people who have committed atrocities that people like to point fingers at around the world were armed and/or trained by Israel. And that is, of course on top of all of the atrocities that have been directly committed by Israelis. And that's one of the problems with a thread like this one. Criticism about the atrocities committed by quite a few countries' governments is at bottom, a criticism of Israel, because many of them would not have been able to commit those atrocities without Israel's help. And not infrequently, Israel arms both sides in a conflict. So it's kind of hard to criticize a lot of atrocities committed around the world without criticizing Israel. The government of South Africa under apartheid, for example, was greatly assisted by the government of Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 11:37 AM

CarolC, you share this opinion with Khomeiny (remember, the Big Satan and the Little Satan). Be careful who you sing We Shall Overcome with...

Roberto, the United States is responsible for killing more people and destroying more lives, societies, and countries than Khomeini by many orders of magnitude. Since 1945, the US has murdered, maimed, made homeless, tortured, assassinated, and impoverished the largest number of civilians who were not its own citizens, and has destroyed more countries, societies, and economies than any other country in the world. And it has armed, trained, funded, and installed in power many of the other people who were committing similar atrocities. Khomeini is very small potatoes in the list of people or countries who are responsible for atrocities. My saying so makes me someone who tells the truth, not someone who should be smeared by hypocrites. And just because Khomeini said it doesn't mean it isn't true.

Crow Sister, I don't think any of my links contain any gory images. Even the article about the young man in Egypt doesn't have his picture. I saw that in a different place.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 11:22 AM

More "guilt by innuendo", methinks.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 11:06 AM

CarolC, you share this opinion with Khomeiny (remember, the Big Satan and the Little Satan). Be careful who you sing We Shall Overcome with...

Ah, guilt by association. You're capable of any number of logical fallacies.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Roberto
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 11:00 AM

From Freedom House Report 2010:

"Included in this report are nine countries judged to have the worst human rights conditions: Burma, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Sudan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan. Also included is one territory, Tibet.

The report also includes eight additional countries near the bottom of Freedom House's ratings scale: Belarus, Chad, China, Cuba, Guinea, Laos, Saudi Arabia, and Syria. The two territories
of South Ossetia and Western Sahara are also included in this group."

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Roberto
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 10:55 AM

CarolC writes: I disagree that Israel is the biggest problem. The United States is the biggest problem. Israel is second.

CarolC, you share this opinion with Khomeiny (remember, the Big Satan and the Little Satan). Be careful who you sing We Shall Overcome with...

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 10:20 AM

A year ago the atrocity of the Iranian government's brutal suppression of the election protest was a lively topic of discussion in this forum. The main thread on it recorded 298 posts.


Supporters of political leader Mirhossein Mousavi are dogged by oppression, but time may be running out for the hardline regime, writes MARTIN FLETCHER.

'Government brutality and intimidation can withstand the march of histor y for years, but not indefinitely.' KARIM SADJADPOUR, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

Ayear ago today Bahareh Maghami, 28, a primary school teacher, was arrested at Ghoba mosque, Tehran, during the huge demonstrations that followed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's disputed election victory. She was beaten and raped. She fled to Germany and recently posted an open letter on the Internet because, she said, "there is nothing left of me and no reason to hide my name any more."

Tens of millions of Iranians turned out to vote a year ago today, believing they could put an end to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's repressive regime. One year later, the Green Movement opposition has lost momentum and some supporters bemoan its lack of strategy and leadership.

She recalled: "There were three of them. All were dirty and wore beards. They had a terrible accent and foul mouths. Even though they saw that I was a virgin they accused me of being a whore and forced me to admit I was a prostitute." She still wakes in terror at night, still smells their sweat. She told how her father " shattered into pieces" when he learned her fate, and her mother "aged a hundred years overnight." Because of her shame " relatives, friends, neighbours and everyone cut off relations."

The family was driven from Tehran, and then from Iran. As for herself, it is "as if my whole humanity is taken away from me. My womanhood was destroyed. I will never be able to love a man. I'm like the walking dead."

Tens of millions of Iranians turned out to vote for Mir Hossein Mousavi last June 12, encouraged to believe by the huge and exuberant opposition rallies of the previous week that they really could oust Ahmadinejad's repressive regime.

It was an illusion and their excitement turned to terror. State television pre-emptively declared Ahmadinejad the winner. The Internet and phone systems went down. Security forces beat anyone in sight. Within two days, most foreign journalists had to leave Iran and the regime unleashed a campaign of brutality.

It took eight months but the street demonstrations were eventually snuffed out. More than 100 protesters were killed, including Neda Soltan, the student who became a global symbol of the regime's inhumanity. Others died mysteriously, among them Mousavi's nephew, and a young doctor who witnessed the deaths of inmates in an infamous detention centre.

More than 5,000 demonstrators have been arrested, and that is the off icial f igure. Many more — lawyers, rights activists, academics, students, artists — have been held in an attempt to decapitate the "Green Movement."

Mousavi and his co-leaders, Mehdi Karoubi and Mohammed Khatami, the former president, have escaped arrest only because the regime fears the eruption that would follow. Their aides and advisers were less fortunate. Many detainees have been tortured. Amnesty International reported this week that they have suffered "severe beatings, using hands, feet or cables; electric shocks; hanging upside down by the feet for long periods; rape of both men and women, including with implements; death threats, including mock executions."

More than 100 journalists have been forced to flee the country and 23 newspapers have been shut down. About 170 journalists and bloggers have been arrested; 22 have been sentenced to terms totalling 135 years, while 85 await trial or sentencing.

"An entire profession of journalists, political observers and social activists ... has been eradicated," said Reporters Without Borders. The Committee to Protect Journalists said Iran was the "world's worst jailer of journalists." Thousands more Iranians have fled abroad but the regime's efforts to silence its critics do not stop at Iran's borders. Tehran-based relatives of exiles such as Shirin Ebadi, the Nobel peace laureate, and Arash Hejazi, the doctor who tried to save Neda Soltan's life, have been harassed or arrested.

The regime suppresses any challenge to its own narrative — that the Green Movement is a creature of western powers determined to destroy the Islamic Republic. As a result, the regime blocks websites, monitors e-mails and telephone calls and jams foreign satellite channels.

The families of those killed are denied mourning ceremonies and are offered blood money to drop their complaints. Soccer matches have been broadcast without sound to thwart anti-regime chanting. Ministries and universities have been purged.

In a sense the strategy has worked. The regime has survived, for now, the worst crisis in the Islamic Republic's 31-year history. Some people still shout defiance from Tehran's rooftops at night, daub slogans on walls and deface banknotes, but the capital is so saturated with security forces that opposition leaders called off a rally today in order to " protect people's lives and property."

There is, however, a widespread conviction that the regime has sown the seeds of its own collapse.

A government that claims to champion Islamic values has lost all legitimacy and moral authority, with Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the oncerevered Supreme Leader, now widely reviled. The economy is deteriorating, and the political establishment is divided.

Karim Sadjadpour, of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, said: "Government brutality and intimidation can withstand the march of history for years, but not indefinitely."

Maghami urges other victims to speak out. "They must write so that those who come after us and live in a free Iran know what price was paid for their freedom." Of Ayatollah Khamenei she asks: "You consider yourself the father of this nation? I was a daughter of Iran. Your sons raped me. Who will pay for my lost dignity?"

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 10:19 AM

It may or may not be clutching at straws, but very few posters here seem to address atrocities unless they directly relate to Israel. Y`all might have a good look at that.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 10:06 AM

Isn't it somewhat clutching at straws to attempt to justify Israeli atrocities by giving examples of others?

In a word: yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 07:13 AM

Atrocities, torture, human rights abuses, assassinations, espionage, starving, imprisoning and disposessing civilians, bombing hospitals and schools (with chemical weapons).... all are ways by which strong nations rob, exploit, subjugate, religiously and politically, and generally impose their will on weaker ones.
Israel has relatively recently entered that league table and is climbing rapidly, (though it has been involved in such abuses at least as far back as its involvement in the Shatila and Sabra massacres of refugees) It has some way to go to beat the champions, but it is getting there!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 06:20 AM

Speaking of disproportionate, when I Googled the word atrocities this came up on the bottom of page 2.


Searches related to atrocities

atrocities meaning

war atrocities

dictionary

israeli atrocities

japanese atrocities

atrocities definition

atrocities bible

atrocities music

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: number 6
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 06:17 AM

Somalia

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 06:16 AM

To the various posters here - I don't know about others but I don't particularly like clicking on gory images, so I've tended not to click on unexplained links posted here. That's not to say that gory images are inappropriate on a thread about atrocities of course (unfortunately they are very often a part of the reality of 'atrocities' in general), but for those taking the time to link to stories that genuinely concern them, I personally prefer to know what exactly I'm being invited to look at and why.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: bobad
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 06:00 AM

30 Worst Atrocities of the 20th Century

"I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it." -- Jack Handy

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Emma B
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 05:36 AM

"Canada, addressing one of the darkest chapters in its history, formally apologised on June 12 2008 for forcing 150,000 aboriginal children into grim residential schools, where many say they were sexually and physically abused

Contemporary accounts suggest up to half the children in some institutions died of tuberculosis and other diseases.

Many survivors say they were abused mentally, physically and sexually. Children were beaten for speaking their own languages and told they would be damned unless they converted to Christianity."


Sometimes dreadful things happen close to home or by our close allies - in these instances perhaps all we can do is protest and demand that these things not be done 'in our name'
In fact, I believe that we have a 'duty' to do so


There are many atrocities in the world some committed by individuals, some by whole governments, many in the name of religion or as acts of agression - some as acts of desperation

Yesterdays 'freedom fighters' become tomorrows statesmen and 'terrorism' in one state is financially backed by members of another (even 'allies')

"Anyone who continues to post to this thread should be deeply ashamed of themselves for exploiting the fear and suffering of others to promote their sense of self righteousness."

My apoplogies Lox, but this will probably be my only contribution to this thread which, as mousethief points out, is attempting to use "the sufferings of others to score cheap rhetorical points."

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 04:00 AM

You could easily make the 1000 with examples from Viet Nam, Cambodia, Haiti, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, Chicago, Kent State, Mississippi, Mexico, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ireland (Bloody Sunday report due next week), Chile, Greece, Argentina, Former Yugoslavia, Rwanda...
And going back even further, The Boer War (first use of concentration camps), India (remember Amritsar), The Belgian Congo (good old King Leo)...
Isn't it somewhat clutching at straws to attempt to justify Israeli atrocities by giving examples of others.
JIm Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 02:08 AM

50.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: mousethief
Date: 12 Jun 10 - 02:08 AM

Belgians in the Congo.

Americans propping up the Pinochet regime.

Dutch East Indies Company treatment of East Indies natives.

Early American settlers sending smallpox-infected blankets to Native American tribes.

The Vikings terrorizing the British Isles

The Romans salting the fields outside Carthage.

Various British massacres in India during the Raj.

The burning of the library at Alexandria.

Feeding Christians to the lions in the Roman arenas.

The Shoah.

Masada.

The Israelite conquest of Canaan as portrayed in the Biblical book of Joshua.

The Spanish Inquisition.

The 30 Years' War.

Kit Carson's assault on the Navajo.

The Trail of Tears.

Invasion of Poland, 1939.

The Somme.

Verdun.

The Gulags.

The Russian Revolution.

The French Revolution.

"Decimation" as practiced by the Romans.

The Fourth Crusade.

All the other Crusades.

Expulsion of the Jews from Spain, Gypsies from Britain, etc.

Treatment of native Peruvians by Pizarro.

Treatment of native Alaskans by Russians.

Battle of Kosovo (1448).

Invasion of England , 1066.

Burning of Moscow, 1812.

Attempted destruction of the Nez Pierce.

Kent State.

Sinking of the Lusitania.

The reign of Bloody Mary.

Cambodia's killing fields.

Tienanmen Square.

My Lai massacre.

Boxer Rebellion.

Black Hole of Calcutta.

Cancelling of "Firefly".

Using the sufferings of others to score cheap rhetorical points.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 11:06 PM

Maybe I'd better give it a rest for now. Don't want anyone accusing me of being "obsessed".

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 10:46 PM

I unfortunately saw a picture of this young man's face after it was destroyed. It was staring at me on my Facebook page after one of my of my Facebook friends posted it to his feed. It was very upsetting. I bear some responsibility for this one because my tax dollars are being used to prop up the dictatorial regime of the president of this country...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5im-Kw1VwkViBjtBkORFz0olsP-uAD9G9ACE80

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 10:04 PM

Well, one more for now...

http://www.examiner.com/x-20536-Dallas-Progressive-Examiner~y2010m1d17-More-details-on-Americans-execution-of-handcuffed-Afghan-children

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:59 PM

More later.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:56 PM

I don't know whether or not I bear any personal responsibility for this, but these people deserve a voice...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4tuTFZ3wXQ

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:52 PM

http://economycollapse.blogspot.com/2010/02/haiti-oil-gold-silver-us-occupation.html

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:51 PM

http://chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/1949-an-unaccustomed-truth-american-commander-admits-afghan-atrocities.html

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:49 PM

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/world/8-weeks-on-Nato-admits.6102256.jp

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QolkuDjm8fM&feature=fvw

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:45 PM

I understand what you're saying, Lox, and I notice that you and I tend to confine our criticism to atrocities over which we personally bear some responsibility, while bobad and some others on the thread only want to point fingers at others while ignoring the atrocities over which they bear some responsibility, and I understand the hypocrisy of that. But... this thread gives me an opportunity to post some things that I wanted to post anyway. I think they are things that should be seen. I don't expect any hypocrites to look at them, but other people might.

Subject: RE: BS: Atrocities (Other Than Israeli)
From: Lox
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:44 PM

Here's one


Am I playng the game right?



How about this?



Loads of pics here ... phwoooaaarrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Lets see, Attila the Hun, Caesar, Hitler, ... we could really have an orgy of atrocities her couldn't we ...


Come on Bobad ... Give it to us Baby!