Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: keberoxu Date: 02 Jan 21 - 11:07 PM Hardly new, but still quotable, is a Tweet from Dan Rather, December 2020. So, let me get this right. The criticism of Dr. Jill Biden is that she's not a "medical doctor"? Says a bunch of people who have been ignoring medical doctors about a pandemic that has killed over 300,000 Americans? Can someone invent a hypocrisy mute button? 17 December 2020 |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Jan 21 - 07:57 PM Great start to what is supposed to be a better New Year, eh! The motor homes are still around, the lights are on in the second homes, saw a bunch of eight people having a huddled picnic on the sea front here in tier 3... It was so bloody cold that I was tempted to go up to 'em and tell 'em that they'd catch pneumonia out in this weather... |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Jan 21 - 04:35 PM My wife is still under orders to return to front line infant school teaching on Monday. With no enhanced PPE provided, or priority for a vaccine... |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 01 Jan 21 - 04:33 PM A further 20 patients being transferred from Kent hospitals https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/kent-is-completely-overwhelmed-240101/ I cannot manage a blue click easily on this smartphone Added for you. ---mudelf |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 01 Jan 21 - 04:31 PM The family of 5 who live next door to us all have covid. Two are teachers, one primary and the other secondary. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Jan 21 - 04:20 PM Close members of my wife's family in Wales have covid.. Apparently one of their student kids brought it into the house. Parents are in their 50s, and so far seem to be recovering ok from a very unpleasant illness... |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Jan 21 - 03:49 PM It used to be rare, when one heard about someone who thought they had COVID. A friend got tested back in April for something that was so rare it was almost impossible to find a test. This week I learned of a friend whose husband brought it home from work to her; they are recuperating. My next door neighbor [foolishly] went to church on xmas eve and learned a couple of days later that the pastor had COVID, so they're laying low. No symptoms, and they're an older couple so it needs to stay that way. I've seen her twice briefly on the porch to hand over something (a gift, and later baked goods). Such a brief encounter and only one time on the porch neither of us had a mask. She has several relatives who have reported it, one was on a ventilator. This news is going to continue to be grim as we wait out the 14 days period after New Year's Eve when people still foolishly got together indoors for extended periods of time. Texas hospitals are full and patients with other problems are being sent out of state to hospitals with room for them. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Jan 21 - 03:36 PM Next lever tier will be 'Variant of oh fuck !!!!!!!'... |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 01 Jan 21 - 03:18 PM Posted this in the wrong thread earlier. 'I see that the new 'new variant' has been designated 'Variant of Concern'by Public Health England.' |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 01 Jan 21 - 06:51 AM Well one bit of good news is that rates have started to fall, albeit slowly, here in Dover. Remains to be seen if they will increase again after the Christmas and New Year holidays. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Jan 21 - 06:41 AM Usual tory divide and rule, and distract, tactics.. In the summer it was cities versus country & coast; now also pitting south east versus south west... |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 01 Jan 21 - 06:36 AM Hospital provision between Taunton and Bristol has been severely reduced in the recent few years. Tories were already dismantling capacity at Weston super Mare hospital before it was stricken with emergency covid deaths and temporarily closed earlier in the summer when lockdown was eased. North Somerset locals were attacked by Bristol newspapers for justifiably protesting about that inevitable result of summer tourists flooding back... Do not resuscitate now applies to elderly patients hospitalized for chest pains and other common potentially serious ailments.. The hospital is now already that desperate for available beds... |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Jan 21 - 04:50 AM Well here in the Westcountry the ethos has been to be very compliant with the rules and the infection rates have been lower than in most other places. Yet for months we've been tearing our hair out as we've seen masses of tourists pouring in untrammelled since the summer right to the end of October, the vast majority from urban areas with far higher rates than ours. I can go out now and see camper vans, motor homes, cars with roof boxes and occupied second homes in blatant contravention of the rules. We are all being told not to travel and major hospitals are few and far between (one in Cornwall for half a million people). So the resentment at the idea that sick people from all over the place may be wheeled in because of the running down of the NHS and the gross mishandling of this pandemic is perfectly understandable. Innit. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Allan Conn Date: 01 Jan 21 - 03:41 AM I kind of agree with Rain Dog on that. If people need treated then they need treated. Folk in rural areas shouldn't be too complacent. We often have lower rates - but also tend to have less capacity - so could well also find ourselves being treated outside our regions. Just several weeks ago here in the Scottish Borders we were like our neighbours in Dumfries & Galloway and had very low rates at about 30+ per 100,000 - but it has since rocketed to about 170 per 100,000. We could well find ourselves taken up to Edinburgh for treatment when just really days ago we thought we didn't have a problem and the local hospital was under no pressure. It is about pulling together when too often folks look for others to blame. You even heard the suggestion here among some that the fault for the increase was the doctors and health workers from the Lothians coming to help at the Borders Hospital. Gratitude eh??? |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 01 Jan 21 - 03:01 AM Tut tut tut pfr. It is the National Health Service. Local hospital beds for local people? Local comedians for local people? No more hospital care for drinkers, smokers, drug users and mushroom users? Pfr.When did that change to parochial folk rocker. Happy New Year to you and the rest of the mudcatters. Stay safe and beware the new 'new variant' heading your way. Tier 5 anyone? |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 31 Dec 20 - 01:46 PM So.. this evening's news.. South East England increasing covid crisis, Hospitals at bursting point and overflowing.. South East covid patients being transported cross country to South West England intensive care beds.. That's nice for us innit...!!! Exporting their new variant risk to our Hospitals and medical workers; and filling up our intensive care beds so there's no more space for us when we get infected by them... Nice to think how many of 'em were brave bold anti mask covid deniers...??? |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 30 Dec 20 - 03:40 PM One step forward and two steps back. Tories have always been 2 bit hacks. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 30 Dec 20 - 03:11 PM wot a surprise.. tory govt insist on reopening primary schools on Monday, but will not prioritise front line school staff over age of 50 for protective vaccines... .. making the most of their last chance to kill off expensive higher salaried older unionised anti tory voting teachers...!!! |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 30 Dec 20 - 03:01 PM Aw. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Dec 20 - 02:56 PM Dawn Wells (Mary Ann on Gilligan's Island) died of COVID-19.
Wells, who was Miss Nevada in the 1959 Miss America pageant, beat out 350 actresses for the role of Mary Ann Summers. She also appeared in more 150 series and several movies during her career as well as on Broadway. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Allan Conn Date: 30 Dec 20 - 02:13 AM Oxford vaccine given approval today and seemingly supplies for up to 4 million shots ready to be rolled out and of course because just needs to be kept in fridge it can be distributed from GP surgeries and straight to care homes. Or I suppose maybe like the flu vaccine which here in Kelso was also done in a local concert hall. Two shots. Possibly up to 12 weeks apart as decision is to get at least one shot to as many folk's as possible. In the trials no-one who received at least one shot contracted severe symptoms or was hospitalised. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Dec 20 - 01:15 AM This faster spreading COVID-19 virus has been discovered in Colorado in a young man with no history of travel. Not surprising. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: mg Date: 29 Dec 20 - 10:18 PM interesting reports on nasal vaccines..that would be great..potential bottlenecks for vial, needles etc. removed. people hate getting shots..more would probably take nasal. not sure of refrigeration requirements.. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 28 Dec 20 - 08:30 AM COVID https://www.politico.com/cartoons/2020/03/26/cartoonists-around-the-world-take-on-a-global-pandemic-000141?slide=10 https://www.politico.com/cartoons/2020/03/26/cartoonists-around-the-world-take-on-a-global-pandemic-000141?slide=10 |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Donuel Date: 28 Dec 20 - 05:15 AM That was good news. US hospitals are now running out of Covid treatment supplies. The sick are on their own. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mr Red Date: 27 Dec 20 - 06:56 PM I saw a YouTube video from a Doctor (he has several on COVID) where he was saying the Astra-Zeneca/Oxford vaccine would turn out to be the most effective. Because: 1) Old technology. 2) Claimed efficacy would probably improve with larger data, whereas the others may well fall due to distribution logistics with storage temperature needed. 3) $3/4 a shot means the take-up world wide will be greater. And it has to be a world solution, we are a flat earth (commercially speaking). & I would add that the Serum Institute in India (the biggest make of vaccines) turned over all their production to the A-Z/O vaccine long ago. A gamble now paying off. India is a big market. I see several of this parish have had the call to arm. Things is moving fast. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Coronavirus Songs (COVID-19; Pandemic) From: Donuel Date: 26 Dec 20 - 01:02 PM prediction |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 25 Dec 20 - 11:28 AM Apparently it may be the nanoparticles that are giving some people the allergic reactions. Also, people who already have facial cosmetic implants, apparently, are more likely to so react. I am not including blickies for these as the findings are easy to research. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Dec 20 - 08:31 PM Just like with Donuel, scaremongering is in your blood, isn't it? Just knock it off, will you. We know you're special without your having to prove it to us every other day. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 23 Dec 20 - 07:50 PM Ooh better one sorry rushing How nanotechnology helps mRNA Covid-19 vaccines work. Link added by mudelf |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 23 Dec 20 - 07:46 PM Yeah, glad info is getting to readers of Salon, though. This is pop sci too but it is more sci. My question, though, was about what the nanites do that makes the vaccine work, not what might be wrong with having them there, but this was all that popped up. Thanks. I know we have real scientists here who can explain without drowning out info with jargon. Maybe one of them would chime in... And nanites is a Star Trek reference, but it is shorter than nanoparticles. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Dec 20 - 05:51 PM "mRNA being short for 'synthetic messenger RNA."' No it isn't. mRNA stands for messenger RNA. Your article tries hard, but at the end of the day it's a popular science piece, and it contains a fair number of daft analogies. At least, it avoids scaremongering, unlike a couple of our correspondents here. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: robomatic Date: 23 Dec 20 - 04:59 PM This article in Salon magazine talks about the background to the new mRNA vaccine and mentions nanoparticles. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Mrrzy Date: 23 Dec 20 - 04:49 PM Does anybody know anything about the nanoparticles in the vaccines? |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 23 Dec 20 - 04:46 PM Damn. There I was thinking I was doing well by not mentioning the new 'new variant ' |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: punkfolkrocker Date: 23 Dec 20 - 03:06 PM But there is no tier 10... gotcha.. you made a mistake...!!! Nigel - haha.. beat you to it... Thankfully, pedantry is not quite as virulent as covid.. yet... |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 23 Dec 20 - 02:38 PM Well let's hope it is no higher than 5. Back in those dim and distant days when Kent was in tier 3 and some innocent souls had not dreamt of tier 4,I said to my sister that I expected Kent to go into tier 10. Way to go yet. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 23 Dec 20 - 02:29 PM Here in Dover they have not put us into tier 5 yet, suggests that there is a tier 5 that you could be put into. "They haven't created a tier 5 for us yet, but I'm sure they will" would have been a clearer message. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 23 Dec 20 - 02:25 PM There is no tier 5 yet Nigel. If you care to remember, there was no tier 4 until the day they announced it. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 23 Dec 20 - 02:13 PM Further English counties / regions put into tier 4. Have to ask why the whole of Sussex was not tier 4 earlier. Further areas (mainly in S.E. England) will be put into Tier 4 from 26 December Here in Dover they have not put us into tier 5 yet,we just have to put up with a large part of the town gridlocked. Any resident needing an ambulance will have a long wait. There is no Tier 5. Even Scotland with 5 tiers only goes up to Tier 4. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Rain Dog Date: 23 Dec 20 - 12:57 PM Further English counties / regions put into tier 4. Have to ask why the whole of Sussex was not tier 4 earlier. Here in Dover they have not put us into tier 5 yet,we just have to put up with a large part of the town gridlocked. Any resident needing an ambulance will have a long wait. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Dec 20 - 09:11 AM That's only as maybe. It's known that immune response memory is not the same for every infection. We haven't had the long time period as yet to know how long immunity lasts for coronavirus. An optimist might say for life, a pessimist might say for just a few months. Testing recovered people for antibodies would be a great way of finding out if only the antibody level in the blood stayed high, but it doesn't seem to, but that doesn't necessarily mean that immunity has been lost. The science is on a steep learning curve. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Jos Date: 23 Dec 20 - 08:16 AM That suggests that people who have had the virus, and recovered, don't need the vaccine. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Manitas_at_home Date: 23 Dec 20 - 08:04 AM Just found this https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=742521735347&set=pcb.742521830157 |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Dec 20 - 06:02 AM No vaccine can stop you from getting infected, if by that you mean stopping the germs getting into you (vaccines don't create a magic bubble round you). The virus may still get into your cells, but your immune system will prevent it from getting a foothold. The question that remains to be answered is whether there's a phase in which your antibodies are protecting you whilst at the same time you can still transmit viruses to other people. It's a question that must arise with all vaccines I should imagine. But, generally, vaccines work well, so let's be optimistic, eh? . |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Manitas_at_home Date: 23 Dec 20 - 04:11 AM A normal vaccine works by 'priming' your immune system. If I have this right the vaccine is a small dose of 'dead' virus and the immune system reacts to this by producing antibodies so that the body is ready for the 'live' virus. The new forms of vaccine work by introducing only part of the RNA of the virus. It's still your immune system that does the work. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: Allan Conn Date: 23 Dec 20 - 03:06 AM The Pfizer vaccine seems to stop up to about 95% of people from becoming ill with the disease. They still don't really know if it stops you actually being infected or stops you being able to transmit the disease. That is seemingly because the trials were designed to look for symptomatic covid-19 and confirmed infection. I think likewise with the Oxford trials which seemed to show a bit less efficacy however no-one on the Oxford trials group of people became seriously ill or needed hospitalisation. So how good they are at stopping infection - or if they even do stop infection - will be known in time. |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: The Sandman Date: 23 Dec 20 - 02:18 AM that should have read please note these are questions |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: The Sandman Date: 23 Dec 20 - 02:15 AM is it correct that the vaccine does not prevent the spread of the virus or stop you from getting it , but boosts the immune system to fight against it, if this is the case it is useless other than for people who have a weak immune system. so effectively it is not a proper vaccine? please not these are questions. vaccines as i understood the meaning of the word such as polio and tb prevented you getting the disease is this more newspeak |
Subject: RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 From: robomatic Date: 23 Dec 20 - 01:53 AM So, in this part of Alaska, which is north and west of Ebbie, We've been delivered Moderna doses in addition to the Pfizer (I almost wrote it as "Pixar"). Vaccines are being administered to medical personnel and sent to the bush to take care of elements of our native population. And for the latest two days, numbers of brand new cases have gone down. So, as well as can be expected. |