BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: GUEST,Anti - Im
Date: 22 May 07 - 01:52 PM

Guerra and Gutierrez are Mexican where it matters--in their minds. If they love Mexico so much, let them move there. They won't have the right to free speech in Mexico. And as far as a statement being in the past and no longer applicable, screw you artbrooks. There, that was a couple of seconds in the past, so let's just forget about it. And why isn't the "gringo" talk addressed by any of you brainiacs? That's a derogatory term. What would you do if I were talking about "niggers" or...what's that term arch-racist Jesse Jackson used to use...oh, "Hymie Town." Yeah, what if I were peppering my posts with those words--would that be defended on Mudcat? Below is a link to some other loving statements from hispanic community leaders:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=133597&Disp=8&Trace=on

Man, the easiest people in the world to dupe are the academics and the "liberals." With liberals, you just have to focus their attention on an individual. Show little Juan suffering in the Arizona desert while he invades America for "a better life," but just don't mention the oppressive conditions that drove him out of Mexico. And don't mention that it's understood he'll work to "extend" Mexico because, well, the animals who drove him out of the country still patrol the streets of his family's village with automatic weapons. Just type in 'Oaxaca teachers strike guns' to see how Mexico treats its public servants. Here's a bit about a recent incident:

...Later that day, gunmen ambushed and opened fire on Triqui indigenous members of the APPO near Putla in the Mixteca region of the state, killing three people and wounding two; the Triquis were on their way to an assembly meeting.

Also that day, federal and state agents dressed in civilian clothes and armed with AR-15 assault rifles, beat and detained a leader of one of the largest organizations in the APPO, the Popular Revolutionary Front (FPR), German Mendoza Nube. Nube has been wheel-chair bound since 1987 when he was shot in the lower spine. He also suffers from severe diabetes. Two friends and neighbors were helping Nube get out of a car and into his wheelchair when the armed men pulled up in three cars and immediately beat him and threw him into the back of a pick-up truck...

The next day, Thursday August 10, the APPO convoked a march to demand the liberty of Torres Pereda and Mendoza Nube. Around 12,000 people marched toward the occupied CORTV station when they were ambushed in a narrow stretch of Morelos Avenue around 7:15 at night. Gunmen shot from both sides of the street, wounding three people and killing one. Jose Colmenares, a 50 year-old mechanic, joined the march to support his wife, a junior-high teacher from Ejutla. A gunman who ran out into the street shot Colmenares in the neck and heart. He died minutes later.

Marchers detained at least 8 suspects, and found a pistol, gloves, police boots and jackets in the house and health clinic from which the shots had been fired. Protestors set fire to the house to force hiding gunmen out, but they appeared to have escaped, and within half an hour protestors allowed firefighters access to the house. Firefighters extinguished the flames within minutes.

In the town square, tourists continued to sip coffee and listen to roaming mariachi musicians apparently oblivious to the gunshots and flames only a mile away....

http://www.corrugate.org/granito_de_arena/news/update_on_the_teachers_situation_in_oaxaca_august_14th

At least the thugs who work for the Mexican government aren't nancy-boy bicyclists like they have in Seattle. And you smug Canadians better take note that Seattle is pretty close to you. And those angry Mexican mobs are being held by cops wearing shorts and riding around on bicycles between lattes. Looks like Canada is going to be part of Azlan, too. Get your asses back to Europe, gringos.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 May 07 - 01:39 PM

On the other hand, watching the video of the cop in LA hitting the Hispanic in the park with a night-stick was much the same thing. The cop told the guy to "Move on," the guy refused to obey, so the cop hit him in the legs with the night-stick. The following day, 60 cops got laid off so the mayor could launch an investigation.
               It looks like a one-sided deal to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 May 07 - 01:27 PM

Looking at the video, it was an obvious set-up (otherwise, why was it so carefully filmed?). The "American citizen show(ing) actual defiance" had his arm extended out of his sunroof - middle finger extended - clearly trying to provoke the marchers. An officer told him to lower his arm, and he refused. The officer repeated himself, and he refused again. At which point the officers took him out of the car and cuffed him. Sounds like a valid charge of inciting to riot could be made against him.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 May 07 - 01:18 PM

In the main, the demonstration in Seattle on May 1 st, 2006 was orderly. The idea that "illegals took over the streets" is disingenuous. Estimates of the crowds varied from 20,000 to 65,000, it was essentially orderly, and in most of the city, it was business as usual. The idea that all of the people—or even a large portion of them—were "illegals" is simply untrue. There were, of course, a number of hecklers, but their numbers were minuscule.

And there may be more than meets the eye in that video, Anti-Im. From a KIRO-TV News report for May 1, 2006 about the demonstration in Seattle:

Seattle Police bicycle officers made three arrests during the rally. Officer Debra Brown said that bicycle police responding to reports of a disturbance and found some people brandishing weapons. Police made the three arrests about 5:30 p.m.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 May 07 - 10:26 AM

Still, the Nation of Aztlan is very much alive today, as is the student group MEChA, and they get a lot of their political support and energy from Latinos in academia.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 May 07 - 08:45 AM

Mexicans, huh?...both Prof. Guerra and Prof. Guitierez are US citizens, born in the US. The statements attributed to Prof. Guitierez are apparently paraphrases of statements made in an interview he gave in 1969. Personally, there are a lot of things I said or did 38 years ago that don't have much to do with me today.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 May 07 - 08:39 AM

"No new laws, legislation or fence is needed. Its already a crime to hire an illegal immigrant."

            dianavan--You're right, that's all that needs to be done.

                That's a pretty powerful video, Anti - Im.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: GUEST,Anti - Im
Date: 22 May 07 - 02:42 AM

You "liberals" are told you need to eliminate your genes with one-child policies, abortions, even suicide. Lots of stories on that the past couple of weeks, especially from Britain. White people telling other whites to quit breeding and die. But on the other side of the coin, here's what the hispanic perfessers are saying:

"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population... I love it. They are sh!tting in their pants with fear. I love it.... We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."
~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.

"Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes..." "To the gringos in the audience, I have one final message to convey, 'Up yours, baby. You've had it, from now on.' "
~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.

"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos... non-Latinos aren't watching, they aren't raising questions"
~ Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount

See, Mexican nationals haven't been schooled in the niceties of political correctness. While we Americans impose it on ourselves, and while Al Gore and the others sell us the bullshit that we need to commit suicide to "save the planet," Mexicans are being taught a whole different set of values.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: GUEST,Anti - Im
Date: 22 May 07 - 02:32 AM

Here's a pleasant little bit of video, a little over 3 minutes long.

In the "politically correct" community of Seattle last year, illegals took over the streets in a way that would land citizens in jail. But police all over America are under orders not to touch illegals because, well...they're here doing a job, dammit. They left their own stinking countries so they could destroy ours. So anyway, hundreds of illegals swarming around the streets, blocking traffic and breaking the law, and an American citizen showed actual defiance. So the police had to put the hurt on him. Watch the video...this is how American police treat Americans over the issue of "immigration."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOe5uYFcXzY

Fortunately a lot of communities have their police trained better. This is just how the gutless freaks in Seattle allow their cops to behave.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Dickey
Date: 22 May 07 - 02:17 AM

And Bobert, this Immigration Reform is the perfect wedge issue, even better than Iraq, for splitting off a big hunk of voters.

Then the Politicians will be adding up the possible votes if they are for war in Iraq and against amnesty or against Iraq and for amnesty. Or they are for both or against both.

It's all about votes, not what is best for the country and you/we foot the bill, not Boss Hogg and he is the one that wants the cheap labor.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Dickey
Date: 22 May 07 - 02:10 AM

Bobert:

I can understand when somebody contradicts themselves and tries to backpedal their way out of it. What was in the rest of that post hummm? Not a word about how bad things were getting worse all the time like you claim now.

Yeah, I'm in touch. You keep fading in and out.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 22 May 07 - 12:50 AM

Currently, it's a crime to knowingly hire an illegal immigrant, and the fines range as high as $10,000 per offense. But those laws are rarely enforced, and employers are rarely prosecuted.

No new laws, legislation or fence is needed. Its already a crime to hire an illegal immigrant.

Enforce the law and the problem will be solved.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 May 07 - 12:23 AM

Yes, thanks on HR 333.

"Do you honestly believe that the wife of a candidate can "deliver" an entire ethnic group?"

               And no, I suspect Latinos think for themselves like everybody else, but that's what the journalist from Florida who wrote the book on Jeb Bush said that's what he thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Peace
Date: 21 May 07 - 10:18 PM

Thank you again, Art.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 May 07 - 10:04 PM

Riginslinger, HR 333 is the resolution to impeach Dick Cheney. Peace, I'm pretty sure that the vote to impeach requires only a simple majority. In the US system, the House impeaches (which means about the same as indicting) and the Senate trys and finds the party guilty or innocent. No sitting President or VP has ever been convicted after being impeached.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 May 07 - 09:58 PM

A little realism might possibly be called for here.

Ringenslinger--

Do you honestly believe that the wife of a candidate can "deliver" an entire ethnic group?

I have this bridge I was saving for Teribus but...

Offhand, I'd say that the outcome of this fight on overhaul of immigration laws might just possibly have more of an impact.

And unless Jeb comes out NOW against "touch-back" and the $5,000 fine--and in favor of a bill without either---, he can kiss the Hispanic vote goodbye---since both of these seem to be just fine with GWB. They're not just fine--and anybody named Bush will have to learn this.

It's also not clear that Hispanics and their supporters will sign on to a bill where the emphasis changes from the current family preference to skills desired.

Particularly since all Hispanics have to do is wait a bit--demographics are their friend--and nobody else's. There's no question that both the Democrats and Republicans will need Hispanic votes progressively more--and that won't change any time soon.

Handing the presidency to Jeb Bush is just a bit premature. It may take a while--like forever--unless he makes the changes I've outlined.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 May 07 - 09:07 PM

"THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER to destroy America. "

Nope.

They're not "working at it"

They're all so incompetent (because they can't see beyond the end of their selfish rich noses) that they will just stuff it up .... as usual...

Never ascribe to malice what is more easily explained by mere stupidity...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: GUEST,Anti - Im
Date: 21 May 07 - 08:37 PM

There is no "Democrat" and "Republican" in the Senate or in the Executive Branch. Both parties vote for big government. It's a bureaucracy, and bureaucracies survive by expanding. Why are you folks still working at cross-purposes on this simplest of all issues? Ted Kennedy and GWBush are both FOR legalizing 30 million criminals. That doesn't "benefit" either of the so-called parties in America. But what it does do is kill Social Security, for starters, and then put a permanent drain on the U.S. Treasury. And American taxpayers will be told that the amnesty was a "mistake" later on, and taxes will have to go up, etc., etc., etc... You've heard it all before. Reagan's 1986 amnesty was going to be a "one-time amnesty," and over the past 20 years we've heard what a mistake it was, and NOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT ON A SCALE 20 TIMES LARGER.

The US dollar is now falling in value at about 2 cents per week. A year from now your dollar will buy half a dollar's worth of goods and services. And this is happening because you've put your trust in one of the "parties." THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER to destroy America. America will be reduced to a Mexico-level country in the very near future, and when your "standard of living" means working all day to earn a tamale and a bowl of beans, don't even THINK about going up to the hacienda on the hill to steal a tomato. Blackwater mercs will blow your ass away.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 07 - 08:00 PM

Whoops, sorry.


    "Does anyone know the status of House Resolution 333?"
   "Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary on 4/24/2007, Peace."

            What are we talking about here?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 07 - 07:58 PM

"Does anyone know the status of House Resolution 333?"

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 07 - 07:54 PM

"Even Michael Moore likes them!"

      The Bush twins? That's kind of hard to believe.

      One of them wrote a book, or at least, had somebody write a book for her.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Peace
Date: 21 May 07 - 07:52 PM

"2/3 vote of the Senate to convict"

OH. Then this ain't about to happen. I guess the thread title should then include Republicans, too.

Thanks for your help understanding this thing. In Canada, the government 'falls' when there is a dismal vote on an important bill proposed by the ruling party. If the bill is defeated, it is assumed that there is no-confidence in the ruling party and they have to call a general election. Is it 2/3 in the House or 3/4?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 07 - 07:38 PM

yo Dickey,

Why can't one look at one's standard of living as going down while still no thinking that life is good???... Life and standard of living are not the same...

But you probably wouldn't understand that... Ask you parents of garndparents who came thru the Depression... There is something about having to live a little closer to the land to eat that brings a higher "quality of life" while one's "standard of living" might be going the other way...

Like I said, you prolly don't understnd that...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 May 07 - 07:06 PM

They can act any time, but don't hold your breath. Since it takes a 2/3 vote of the Senate to convict, a vote of the House to impeach would basically be a symbolic waste of everybody's time.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Peace
Date: 21 May 07 - 06:36 PM

How long before they can act on it (if they do) Art? (Thank you, BTW.)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 May 07 - 06:33 PM

Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary on 4/24/2007, Peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Willie-O
Date: 21 May 07 - 06:26 PM

"Many of the supporters of this bill are behind a "draft Jeb Bush for president" movement. "

Except the Democrats, them, not so much for Jeb.

Yeah, whatever. I'm gonna give Americans the benefit of the doubt here. Which I am loath to do since 2004. But things being what they are, unless there's a whole bunch of good news out of Iraq (right!), and the economy that W has wrecked by pretending his world-domination-by-force hobby was more important, I don't think we can anticipate yet another President, or even nominee, named Bush in the next couple of decades. Jeb would need a lot more than a Mexican-born wife to pull that off.

But look out for either of the twins (I'm guessing Barbara, she seems to be able to avoid the trouble light better) around 2030. Even Michael Moore likes them!

W-O

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Peace
Date: 21 May 07 - 05:10 PM

Does anyone know the status of House Resolution 333?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Stringsinger
Date: 21 May 07 - 05:04 PM

bush has already legalized himself. now then how 'bout Lie-berman?

F.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 07 - 04:14 PM

Yeah, as long as he carries the Latino vote, and providing his brother makes them all citizens first.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Peace
Date: 21 May 07 - 03:05 PM

Would he have a chance running against Obama? HC?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Peace
Date: 21 May 07 - 02:39 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 07 - 02:23 PM

If you like George W., you'll love Jeb.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Peace
Date: 21 May 07 - 02:10 PM

What's to say?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 May 07 - 02:05 PM

"...if Jeb Bush were to run as VP in 2008, and then--assuming the Republicans lose--as President in 2012, his Mexican born wife, Columba Bush, would deliver the Latino vote for him."


          Many of the supporters of this bill are behind a "draft Jeb Bush for president" movement.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Dickey
Date: 21 May 07 - 10:28 AM

I am against this immigration bill. We don't need a new set of laws to try to enforce. What we need is enforcement of the ones we have and improvemnets in the immigration process.

Before people here start in calling me a racist, my stance on Immigration is that is a good thing if done legally. America needs the workers and it needs them to follow the laws.

This whole country was built on immigration. Remember the Great American Melting Pot? Instead of a wall on the border, there should be another statue of liberty welcoming Hispanic immigrants.

That said, Illegal Immigrants should not be forgiven for being here illegally. They should be made to go through the legal channelsm that exist. But those channels should be widened and speeded up and quotas raised while businesses that hire illegal aliens should prosecuted for violating the law.

Whatever money that would be spent on more border agents and a multi-billion dollar wall should be spent on speeding up the immigration and naturalization process and screening for criminals.

Last but not least, the minimum wage should be raised to at least $10 per hour for Americans and legal Immigrants. This alone would be an incentive for ilegal immigrats to become legal but the immigration system is a bottleneck that should be streamlined.

Here is an interesting article on the problem

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Dickey
Date: 21 May 07 - 09:44 AM

Bobert March 23 2005: "Life is good and if any Catters ever gonna be in the Shanandoah Valley fir anything, ya' let me know an' we'll hook up"

Bobert May 19 2007: "My standard of living has been going down steadily for the last 6 years"

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Dickey
Date: 21 May 07 - 09:06 AM

Mr. Terrazas, CEO of TerraHealth, Inc., the No. 1 ranked company on the 2006 Hispanic Business 100 Fastest-Growing Companies directory, uses the elk hunting in Montana caveat to demonstrate how important it is to have the knowledge and foresight needed to navigate challenging business terrain.

Much of TerraHealth's 8,338 percent five-year growth rate is due to the specialized knowledge Mr. Terrazas gained while working as a Medical Service Corps officer while on active duty with the U.S. Air Force. His knowledge of the Department of Defense procurement systems and military healthcare missions drove TerraHealth gross sales figures from $180,000 in 2001 to $15.19 million in 2005.

Founded in 2001, TerraHealth provides medical staffing, consulting, and IT support for hospitals and other healthcare providers. A separate division, organized in the company's third year of operations and named Total Warfighting Support, literally bolsters Department of Defense war-fighting missions through IT, engineering, staff augmentation, consulting, and training.

http://dinero.aol.com/especiales/hispanic-heritage-month/hispanicheritagemonth_canvas/_a/terrahealth-no1-on-fastest-growing/20060906182809990001

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 May 07 - 08:56 PM

McGrath-

I've read, however, that though the UK was very open to Polish workers coming into the UK to work--- (in contrast to the attitude of France and Germany)--, it does not plan to be so welcoming for the new members of the EU. Is this so?

(at the risk of egregious thread creep)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 20 May 07 - 06:53 PM

Thanks McG. I'm always learning something on Mudcat!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 May 07 - 06:43 PM

What I greatly fear will happen is that the American car makers will fold and, like so many other companies, leave the taxpayers to pay off the pensions the workers were promised.

Spend the pension fund, close up shop, screw those who worked for you for forty years.

Check out the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation -- like Fanny Mae, a branch of the US gummint.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 May 07 - 05:23 PM

Romania is one of the 27 countries in the European Union. We've all got the right to go and live in each each other's countries any time we want to. Here is a list.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 May 07 - 03:36 PM

So for those of us who might be curious as to why George W. Bush seems to be so concerned about the Mexican immigrants.

There was a guy on "Book TV" this morning who'd written a book on Jeb Bush. He stressed the point that, if Jeb Bush were to run as VP in 2008, and then--assuming the Republicans lose--as President in 2012, his Mexican born wife, Columba Bush, would deliver the Latino vote for him.

That being the case, it's in the Bush's best interest to turn as many illegal immigrants into citizens as quickly as possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 20 May 07 - 02:54 PM

McGrath, I'm actually genuinely curious if Ireland has a special relationship with Romanian immigrants, and why. Does it have to do with a Cold War sanctuary concept?

RE: The health care question. Manufacturing companies in the US have difficulty competing with other nations, and one of the principle reasons is the cost of worker's healthcare. The following from hospitalimpact.org...

"Let's take a look at this car - the good old American Ford Taurus.
What is the single most expensive raw material in this car? It's not metal or computer chips - it's healthcare. In fact, ~$1,800 of healthcare costs goes into each of these cars.
Compare that to a Japanese car, let's say the Toyota Matrix.
For the typical Japanese car, healthcare costs are ~$200."

This model also applies to American Manufacture versus Mexican Manufacture. One of the principle reasons for movement of American manufacturers south of the border is not only cheap labor pay rates, but the fact that manufacturers pay little or nothing for healthcare for workers. As we lose our manufacturing base, and face the accompanying unemployment and loss of tax revenue, isn't it ironic that Mexican workers come to this country to take advantage of availability of free health care, worsening our out-of-control health system costs, putting added pressure on an already unsteady structure, and increasing the manufacturingcost disparity with our competitors?
The healthcare crisis in the US is many-pronged and the repercussions are myriad, and unfortunately, there are many who have a vested interest in keeping it at status quo. Look at the way Republicans shot down the Clinton attempt at restructuring the Healthcare System in the 90s. It's time for a hard look at healthcare in conjunction with a stern approach to immigration reform. These are not Republic/Democrat issues, nor are they Liberal?Conservative issues...they are issues of national survival.

LEJ (stepping down from soapbox)

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: artbrooks
Date: 20 May 07 - 02:41 PM

Reginslinger, I don't think anyone is denying the reality of the distribution of wealth in Mexico. Rather, everyone is basically ignoring that comment as irrelevant to the rest of the discussion. As Peace said, inequities in wealth distribution is a world-wide reality and, even though it is a well known (and well publicized) factoid in the US, it has always been more true in third world and fringe economies than elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 May 07 - 12:49 PM

You brought up the Romanians, Lonesome, so I just put the record straight.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Peace
Date: 20 May 07 - 12:42 PM

"In any event, most of the land and capital is in the hands of a very few people."

That remark doesn't just apply to Mexico. It applies also to the USA, Canada, England--hell, the whole rest of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 May 07 - 12:25 PM

It seems to me that people have been denying the reality of the distribution of wealth in Mexico since I first brought it up.
But that aside, one of the primary reasons there are not better paying jobs in Mexico is because most of the capital is so tightly held, nothing is available for economic development there.

          I agree the comments that employers of illegal aliens ought to be charged, convicted, and jailed.

          Further, I would agree that all people who work should be paid a decent wage. In addition to that, payroll taxes, insurance for industrial accident, unemployment and health should be paid as well. If that were happening, employers would find hiring immigrants over American workers a lot less tempting.
          Add to that, taking away the threat to turn immigrants into the authorities if the don't do things just exactly the way the employer wants--work overtime for nothing and ect.--and the appeal to hire them becomes virtually nonexistent.


         Finally, supply side economists would like to suggest how Mexico could improve its economic situation, but I suspect the Bushites like it just the way it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 May 07 - 10:39 AM

Ringinslinger-

Nobody denies that income in Mexico is not equitably distributed. Tell me, how would you describe the distribution of income in the US?

And why should poor Mexicans not have the opportunity to work for better wages in the US if they cannot get good wages in Mexico?

Or would you like to suggest that the US dictate how Mexico should improve its economic situation? I'm sure many Bushites would agree with you. They were never big on national sovereignty.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush & Democrats to legalize criminals
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 May 07 - 09:36 AM

"'but I've been reading about the "Mexican Billionaires," and while there don't seem to be a lot of them, they have all the resources tied up so the working people don't have a chance.'

Must have been a short read . . . . "


                I'm going to give up on this. I don't seem to be able to make the point. You have posted individuals with billions, but the problem, as I understand it, is families with billions. In any event, most of the land and capital is in the hands of a very few people. It's getting to be that way in the US, and it got to be that way just before the Great Depression struck. One could make the point that Mexico has been in a Great Depression since its inception.