BS: electing a new labour leader

Subject: RE: BS: electing a new labour leader
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 02:33 AM

nothing wrong with having an intellect, Mike.

i think we all basically want a middle way. somehow we've got into this mess where no one wants to invest in England in anything except real estate in London.

the reason that real estate is so desirable is that we have a largely stable, law abiding liberal society. God knows how long that will continue to be the case at this rate.

its going to take a genuinely radical set of ideas to break this Satan's spell. I'm not sure left wing doctrinaire thinking holds the key. But what is certain is that we've got to stop throwing industries away, because Mrs Thatcher and her shopping basket says they've made a loss this week.

we need some of this country's wealth circulating in this country rather than flitting off to exotic climes. Or being sat on by stately aristocrats who've been rich for no reason since the 11th century.
When Iworked at British Leyland - I saw men working with 60 year old track. no wonder the the business failed.
of course the tories blamed it on the unions - but I didn't see any trouble making in my division - Aveling Barford in Grantham. We made dumper trucks.

I don't see why Riley and Morris couldn't have been revived like Skoda was, The answer is responsible investment in our own country.

I don't see any party advocating it.

Subject: RE: BS: electing a new labour leader
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 01:41 AM

All except for the mighty-intellected Bridge.

Patronising booby...

Subject: RE: BS: electing a new labour leader
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 01:33 AM

The "demos", the participants in a democracy, can only meaningfully do so if they form an informed electorate. Thanks to the activities of our media, controlled by the rich for the benefit of the rich, at present we suffer a determinedly misinformed electorate.

Subject: RE: BS: electing a new labour leader
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 01:06 AM

I reel with astonishment yet again at the contempt all you lefty ideologues have for the obvious, frequently professed, preferences of the vast majority of your fellow-countrymen. Can't you bloody-well see that they have not the least desire for your doctrinaire socialism? How many more times do they have to demonstrate that, most manifestly, they don't like it - they don't trust it - they don't want it? But is the day ever going to dawn when all you intolerant know-what's-best-for-the-rest-of-us would-be autocrats who imagine yourselves to believe in 'democracy' are going to take a blind bit of notice of what the people, the δεμος, actually say they want? In our dreams!

Oh wotz da use!

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: electing a new labour leader
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 06:15 PM

As I understand what JC has said previously, his first act is to disappoint his followers as he will become a member of the. Privy council.

Subject: RE: BS: electing a new labour leader
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 05:54 PM

It is worth noting David Miliband's stance in a letter today: . "The participation of 600,000 people in the leadership election is a significant mobilisation. But the task for the Labour party is to reflect the hopes and win the trust of 60 million people". That's true, of course, but it also seems to be preparing the ground for minimising the attention paid to the 600,000

Subject: RE: BS: electing a new labour leader
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 04:56 PM

backwoodsman - of course, i should have prefaced that comment with ' maybe even sometime tory voters and floaters will wake up and think '......'

or just - surely we can do better than this

Subject: RE: BS: electing a new labour leader
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 04:48 PM

Agreed with the above.

Subject: RE: BS: electing a new labour leader
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 04:45 PM

And let's have less of the "We" - I, for one, didn't vote for those greedy, arrogant fuckers.

Subject: RE: BS: electing a new labour leader
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 04:43 PM

That's the problem, Ach - most of the ordinary (I.e. Non-millionaire) people who voted for the Self-Servatives weren't thinking. They allowed themselves to be brainwashed by The Daily Liar.

Subject: BS: electing a new labour leader
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 04:34 PM

we can take it as read that whoever is elected as next labour leader is going to get loads of abuse and dirty tactics from the press and those with a vested interest in the system (even chukka umunna gave up in anticipation of this and he is probably the most capitalist-friendly of all of them)

but, were jeremy corbyn to succeeed there would be a major difference - he would have the whole-hearted support of many thousands (millions?) of previously disillusioned lefties who have never really got behind their leader in recent years.

and he may get a huge amount of credit from everyone for being the one who noticed that the emperor (free market capitalism) is naked.

cameron? osborne? IDS? bankers' bonuses and bedroom tax? selling off the country's assets?' - what the fuck were we thinking?