BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 May 09 - 09:09 AM

Yer an ice official!?!?!?!?!? (What league?) Kewl! (No "you-suck-ref" talk HERE please folks.) Can we have a hockey-questions thread after it's all over for the season? if I collect Q's out of some of the older threads?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: 3refs
Date: 07 May 09 - 08:01 AM

ps
Go Vancouver!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: 3refs
Date: 07 May 09 - 08:00 AM

"Well folks, again, it shows how little I know of hockey rules; I mean, if the referee blows his whistle after the puck has already gone over the goal line - why is that not a goal? I don't get it?"

As an on-ice-official, I can answer that question!

First of all, having to make a split-second decision in the fastest game on the planet, is not as easy as it sounds! We don't skate around with our whistles in our mouths(or anywhere else). On any given play, an official must determine whether or not the whistle should be blown. Then they have to put the whistle in their mouth without chipping a tooth(happened to me). Finally blowing the whistle and make the right signal(wave off frantically)!

In this case, the referee has lost sight of the puck and has made the decision to blow his whistle for that reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 May 09 - 12:01 AM

:~)

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 06 May 09 - 04:44 PM

Haven't seen as yet the disputed goal. Don't know if I want to.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Michael Harrison
Date: 06 May 09 - 04:31 PM

Well folks, again, it shows how little I know of hockey rules; I mean, if the referee blows his whistle after the puck has already gone over the goal line - why is that not a goal? I don't get it? On the other hand, the Red Wings are not playing like,...well,...the Red Wings. I am, however, comforted by the notion that you cannot wing the cup every year; but then - why not? Cheers,..........mwh

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 06 May 09 - 08:20 AM

That was great. Thanks for the morning laugh.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Becca72
Date: 06 May 09 - 07:45 AM

LOL! That was great!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: 3refs
Date: 06 May 09 - 07:36 AM

I'm not sure who might have and who might not have, but here's a cute commercial with Ovechkin and......well you'll get it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp1DMQ-x33k

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 06 May 09 - 07:36 AM

Guess I missed a good one. Well not so good that the Wings lost I guess.
I was disappointed in the Chi./Van. game. Not as good as the previous one.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 05 May 09 - 04:46 PM

Lets not discuss Shatner please. I think it is on of the most ...... oh forget it.

Back to hockey.
Great observation by both of you.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 May 09 - 03:34 PM

Yes, yes.

Here is one aspect of how it is so DUMB: that Versus poll, where Crosby/Ovie was said to be the most-wanted matchup? So then they market that MORE, and so of course it polls higher and then they market it some more and then it polls higher-- gimme a break!

I mean, Little Hawk proved THAT strategy with his Shatner threads. Just the constant mention created an "icon" (LH's stated goal) out of someone we mostly don't even actually WATCH.....

So I say make Shatner the poster boy for hockey! :~) Or LH-- serve him right! :~)

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Michael Harrison
Date: 05 May 09 - 03:22 PM

Susan - I think we are much closer to agreement about hockey than we are apart; and, I agree with Beer - Sid should not be the captain, it would've been better to have a solid veteran wear the "C" for several reasons that have been mentioned here.

I blame "hockey" for putting Sid where he is, and by that I mean mostly Bettman. I think he was looking for an NHL version of Kobe, but for me - I don't like it. There are too many excellent players in the NHL and fans, and potential fans, need to know that there are more than one or two teams to watch for excitement.

I'll miss a lot of players here but I'll start with my guys: Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Hossa, Lidstrom; then Campbell and Taews; then Luongo; then Pronger, Getzlaf; then Thornton; then Iginla and CheeChoo, and on, and on, and on. Finally, IMHO, if the league were going to put it's success on the shoulders of one guy, I would rather see them do it with Ovechkin because he's already "out there," and personally, I think he can handle it - probably better than anyone else in the league; but again, the league should be giving away games on television and talking about how great the whole league is and not just one or two players.

Hey - time to get ready for tonight. GO RED WINGS - EAT DUCKS!
Cheers,...........................mwh

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 May 09 - 12:03 PM

Again, I want to emphasize-- I do not blame him for all this, but the coach, GM, and OWNER/landlord for sublimating their own hockey dreams into Sid-worship such that a really good kid is left to carry the weight he cannot, in fact, carry.

It's also not Sid who seeks the NHL-marketing spotlight, the Ovechkin rivalry, etc.

He's like a child movie star who will not quite see how this has hurt him until later.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 05 May 09 - 09:57 AM

I think your assessment is very good Susan. The one thing I cannot understand is why they made him Captain. I think if they had waited a few years first would have made a difference. As you say and others, he is still a kid. He also shows his emotions way to much. In a negative way. Not when he scores but when he is not playing or the team is not playing well. He was very obvious in last years match up with Detroit. If I was Washington I would go after the kid and get him really upset. I think that this would work in the Caps favor.IMHO.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 May 09 - 09:23 AM

1. Away hat tricks are always less hatful, but the record book is the record book.

2. We talk in terms of shoe tricks at our ECHL games-- toss shoes if the trick is an opponent's.

3. The Crosby thing. I have a lot to say there. Work with me here--

What bothers me most about Sid-worship is that it leaves a young kid without proper coaching. You cannot mold what you worship.

Specifically, Sid and his linemates. The established pattern is that potential linemates do great the first week or two, with Sid. Then their scoring drops off sharply and a schneid develops. This morning, I think I know why and how.

When they first arrive they are inspired and Sid is hopeful. They elevate their game without quite knowing how. He simplifies his. They meet in the middle. Magic happens. The coach is thrilled.

Then Sid quite naturally gets itchy to have even more fun, more magic-- he's a kid! He starts to fancy up his game. He has the talent for it, and the youth. They don't. The scoring begins to drop off.

This freaks out everyone. They all TRY HARDER.

The downward spiral accelerates-- everyone tried harder and it works less and less, as confidence plummets. Eventually that affects Sid's playing as well, and his goals vanish, too.


During the whole thing you hear the exact same things from Sid. His comments, while appearing to be reasonable and mature, are less and less accurate and relevant as this spiral descends.


How can you have a kid as the Team Captain if he cannot fathom the world of the skilled journeyman, because he has never been one?

He would need to simplify his own game, and then raise his expectations of the linemates and stop making allowances for what he must logically know is a talent gap.

He needs to be able to assess what they might actually be able to do, and then expect one level above that.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 05 May 09 - 08:11 AM

Easy on the beer tonight if I want to see all of the Wings game.
You got it 3refs, I wouldn't throw my hat if an opposing player got 3 goals against my team.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: gnu
Date: 05 May 09 - 08:04 AM

Well... great time to get hooked on hockey... Wings play at 11:30PM my time. >:-(

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: 3refs
Date: 05 May 09 - 07:41 AM

You don't throw your hat for a "hat-trick" that the opposing team scores. Kind of like a homerun in baseball, if the enemy hits the 4 bagger, you throw the ball back on to the field!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Becca72
Date: 05 May 09 - 07:29 AM

I am a happy happy camper this morning. Let's Go Caps!

Michael, I don't think there were any hats left within throwing distance after Ovi's hat trick...

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Michael Harrison
Date: 05 May 09 - 12:04 AM

Yeah, Susan & Beer, that was as fine a game as it gets; but, I have to ask the question - are Crosby and Ovechkin the only scorers on those teams? Also, when in the third period it was tied at two apice, Ovechkin scored twice on two shots that Fleury had a clear sight line on; Kelly and I just sat there and looked at each other in disbelief. Are we on another planet? Shouldn't Fleury have had one or both of those?

Ovechkin is entertaining to watch as he often gets as excited as a child on Christmas morning. And Crosby, in that third period when he scored his hat-trick goal - his tenacity on that play where he whacked that puppy three, four or five times before it finally went in, was really on the money; great stuff.

Two questions about hat-tricks: is this the first game where two players have scored hat-tricks; and, if so, how common is it? And, I thought that hats were thrown regardless of who scored the trick, your player, or theirs; however, there was only one hat launched in honor of Crosby's third goal. You know, about the time I think that I know a little something about the game, I realize that I do know - a little,...and a little ain't much. Two more tomorrow. Cheers, and,...GO RED WINGS GO!..........................mwh

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 04 May 09 - 11:09 PM

Sure was.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 May 09 - 10:59 PM

:~(

Great game though.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 04 May 09 - 09:42 PM

What a finish and two Hat Tricks as well. Unreal.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 04 May 09 - 06:36 AM

You know Michael it was a a hard one to loose. They had real hot goal tending. The kid was great. But Osgood made me proud as well. He made some fantastic stops and the team as a whole can hold their heads up high. I also think that they have proved that they will not be pushed over. The Avalanche have a good team but we have a great one.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 03 May 09 - 11:26 PM

Waaaah! All THREE games on the DVR we tried to see today, the recordings ended before the GAMES did!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Michael Harrison
Date: 03 May 09 - 10:35 PM

The sun is not shining in Hockeytown South right now, but fortunately it will come up again tomorrow. OT losses on your home ice are hard to swallow, especially when the loss comes so deep in the overtime periods. Damn Ducks! GO RED WINGS - LET'S GET 'EM!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 09 - 07:19 PM

Resurgo or not... that was an amazing game. Real hockey. Nearly no chippy. And, the penalties for chippy were minor and behind the play. Just good skating, hustle, strategy... um, has it been this good so far? I just happened to check it out.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 03 May 09 - 07:00 PM

We will rise again.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 09 - 06:32 PM

The skating, the puck control, the anticipation... gosh! And, Gadzooks! Where did this guy come from? Can he rag a man or what? He's like a shadow!

Yes, Beer... I swore... and I am gonna continue... damn... I am hooked! Gonna have to accept the fact that less work is gonna get done until the Cup. I just hope I can stay away from the other matchups for a while.

And, I see the Canucks are doing okay in the world's.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 03 May 09 - 05:37 PM

I can't believe you swore. No way.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 03 May 09 - 05:36 PM

Great first overtime.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 09 - 05:29 PM

Wow! I swore I would not start watching until the finals, but this is amazing hockey!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 09 - 05:25 PM

??? oops... what a kill.

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 09 - 05:21 PM

A duck winged... big penalty...... I am biting my webs....

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 09 - 05:19 PM

DUCKWING!

What a game!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 09 - 05:19 PM

WING!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: gnu
Date: 03 May 09 - 03:35 PM

DUCK!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Michael Harrison
Date: 03 May 09 - 02:08 AM

Well, the NHL is still a useless enforcer. No suspension for Brown?
Nonsense, simply nonsense. That was a cheap-shot, gutless hit he put on Hudler and the league needs to stop this shit from happening again and again,...and why in the hell is Bertuzzi still playing?
He should have been permanently suspended years ago.

Now I'm going to be a real ass____ and say that someone needs to deck Brown in tomorrows game. What the hell, if the league won't stop it then the players need to take it to the next level to where the suits cannot ignore it any longer. Of course, you could fire Bettman, too, and bring in a real hockey guy to run the league; maybe a guy with a name like Yzerman, or Gretzky, you know, someone who might have PLAYED the game!

I must stop my bitching about Crosby, Crosby, Crosby and Ovechkin.
It seems that the Versus folks ran a poll asking about the second round match-up that will be most appealing - Pens/Caps won out over the Wings/Ducks 41% to 27%, so give the people what they want and I'll find my guys on-line somewhere - or the radio.

The Wings have got their hands full with the Ducks and I don't much care for Rafalski being out - a major player for the Wings. Nick is picking up any slack that appears and continuing to prove his greatness time after time. God, I love this game, and the Red Wings.
GO RED WINGS - KEEP THE CUP - GO RED WINGS - SLAUGHTER THE DUCKS!

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 May 09 - 10:58 PM

Boo, Danguins!

Hawks, wow! GOGOGO!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 02 May 09 - 10:07 PM

I missed this thread. I had the Bruins picked back around mid-November.
The Wings are an obvious choice for the final, and I'd rather they'd
win, but I think the Bruins might be drinking from Lord Stanley's Cup
this time. (I still get a little sour when I remember the last time
the Bruins played my Maple "Laughs". )

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 May 09 - 11:01 PM

I didn't like it. Too choppy. But GO WINGS.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 01 May 09 - 09:45 PM

Great game. Going to get nasty I think.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 May 09 - 07:05 PM

Round Two series start tonight:

Go Wings! Go Canes!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: 3refs
Date: 01 May 09 - 04:51 PM

I should have said "about someone, from somebodies favourite team".

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: 3refs
Date: 01 May 09 - 04:49 PM

A little off the origional posting, but it's still hockey related and about someone's favourite team! A nice little story about Stan!
http://www.1972summitseries.com/mikita.html

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: 3refs
Date: 01 May 09 - 04:38 PM

If one was to look it up, you'd see that most of his minutes spent in the "sin bin" were for retaliatory type penalties. In his early years, he was no Jean Beliveau. Although, once he established what was acceptable to him, he quit carving you up! Remembering that acceptable to him was "Don't touch me, and I won't carve you up!"

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: Beer
Date: 01 May 09 - 04:01 PM

I remember Stan standing up and egging the fans on after he had an altercation. I think it was the following year that he got the Lady Bing.
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Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 May 09 - 03:00 PM

Hardi and grew up as Hawks' fans. They'd be our #1 team if Pittsburgh hadn't come on our cable package the same year Sid showed up.

3refs, thanks for your lovely PM; Hardi and I'd love to see a game witcha.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Hockey: Stanley Cup 2009 (08-09 Season)
From: 3refs
Date: 01 May 09 - 02:03 PM

Of all the sweaters worn in the NHL, my fav is the Hawks. I'm guessing that Stan Makita had something to do with that! Just goes to show you, speak softly and carry a big stick! He went from 146 mins in penelties in one year to 12. Mr Bong to Lady Bing!