BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 08:31 AM

Although not mentioned in the interrogation of Craig the written police report stated that Senator Craig DID NOT FLUSH !!!

Did he poop or not! We must get to the bottom of this

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: jacqui.c
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 07:15 AM

IMO this basically comes down to a sex scandal. The question for me is - would there have been the same furore if Craig had been caught propositioning an undercover policewoman acting as a prostitute. This man was being unfaithful to his wife, however you look at it and then lied about the matter as well. As a Republican this puts him beyond the pale.

The Repubs have this 'family values' ticket and would like us to believe that they are the guardians of Christianity and family in this country. From where I'm sitting any party that makes that claim has got to be as squeaky clean as possible - 'do as I say, not as I do' really doesn't wash.

Much as some of their members might want to, they can't have it both ways. If they can't live up to the party line they have the option of leaving the party. Problem there is that they know that will divorce them from the power and the privilege that they need so badly.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Mickey191
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 01:29 AM

Most of us care not about someones sexual preferences-- It is the hypocricy involved, the denial of his true nature,the implicit power play by showing a senatorial ID card, the stupidity signing a guilty plea.

Most of all the fact that his public persona is that gays should not have equal rights under the law. He endorses that with the power of his vote.

Now that we've heard him deny his inentions-we realize he's not too bright either. What fastidious looking man picks up a piece of toilet tissue from the floor of a public toilet? (with his palm up) He can't even cover his ass with a good story.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 11:02 PM

You bet there are, Bobert. But the media a) has an attention span of nano- or even pico- seconds, b) the real problems require real solutions, which c) requires people to actually think and even...(gasp!) work.

But there's more money in sex scandals, at least from the media's point of view.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 07:30 PM

I jus' wish we could get beyond folks sex lives...

Here we have some real serious matters that need tendin' to, and Craig or Clinton's sex lives have nuthin' to do with any of them...

BTW, there was an excellent article in the Style section of the Washington Post today written by Lynne Duke and DeNeen L. Brown entitled "Tapping Into The Secrets Of the Stall" about the kind of behavior that Senator Craig attempted to engage in and it's not all that uncommon... There are ever websites that tell folks where the cops aren't...

No matter... I've had just about enuff' of the story...

I thought it was waste of time with Clinton and haven't changed my opinion with Craig...

Like I said, it is a distraction... There a re real problems that need our attention...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 07:03 PM

If Larry Craig ends up resigning from the Senate, maybe George W. Bush will appoint him to become Attorney General to replace Alberto Gonzales.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: John Hardly
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 04:43 PM

"No.

If a Republican runs on the anti-gay "morals" platform, and then turns out to be doing in secret what he (they) are condeming in public, THAT makes him (them) hypocrite(s)."

I would agree if what Craig was involved in was "gay". But as I said before, to call what Craig was engaged in "gay behavior" is a slap in the face to the gays that I know. Of course, I can't be sure. I don't follow them around. But I don't think that the gays I know are soliciting sex from strangers in public bathrooms. I think better of them than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 04:38 PM

NO political party likes embarrassment, or even the hint of embarrassment. Especially just before a BIG election year.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 04:27 PM

"...if Republicans condemn him in a manner similar to their condemnation of Clinton, they are holier than thou..."

No.

If a Republican runs on the anti-gay "morals" platform, and then turns out to be doing in secret what he (they) are condeming in public, THAT makes him (them) hypocrite(s).

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 04:14 PM

By the way, why are we serving "sauce" to goose and gander? I thought the expression was "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."

You can lead a goose to water but you can't make her gander...

But will that cook that goose?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: John Hardly
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 04:05 PM

"What he does in his sex life is his business. But he is an elected public figure and what he does in public is our business. All I want from the Republicans is to apply the same standard they did to Bill Clinton. Clinton was excoriated (?sp?) for lying about the act. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. One might want to excerpt some of the speeches from the debate on impeachment and send them to the Republican caucus.

Mick "

Just so we're clear on this, though...

according to the participants on this thread, that is not an option. According to them, if Republicans condemn him in a manner similar to their condemnation of Clinton, they are holier than thou. And if they fail to condemn, they are hypocrites.

Just for the record though, it appears as though they will pass your standard, as more of them are condemning than excusing him.   Therefore, they are serving the same sauce to goose and gander.

That said, this was not a private act (as your first sentences would appear to imply). That was at least a large part of the problem. It was in an airport restroom. Very public. Like, for instance, in the White House offices.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 03:55 PM

Mick-

One does wonder if he solicited one of the Congressional pages or interns. What a fine sauce that would make!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Peace
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 03:53 PM

Billie woulda been in the women's room.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 01:24 PM

What he does in his sex life is his business. But he is an elected public figure and what he does in public is our business. All I want from the Republicans is to apply the same standard they did to Bill Clinton. Clinton was excoriated (?sp?) for lying about the act. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. One might want to excerpt some of the speeches from the debate on impeachment and send them to the Republican caucus.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 01:08 PM

There are people who prefer to define themselves as "bisexual" and Sen. Craig might be one of them (and still be in denial).

It's still an illegal act to solicit sex in a public restroom. That's what bars are for, and hotel rooms for those who want privacy and other creature comforts. And to lie about it compounds the error in judgment.

Most Republicans in Congress just want him to resign and limit the damage with regard to the likely outcome of his re-election effort.

I feel no need to "forgive" Sen. Craig but he should apologize to his family, his constituents, and anyone else he has lied to. Whether he goes to Hell or not is not anything that I play a role in.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 09:44 AM

Secret hand and foot signals, code words and toilet police assigned to toilet stalls is the most eye opening new defintion of America in this whole story.

The Republican 'caucus' (wink wink nod nod) is going to have a 'hard time' 'stalling' any 'discipline' of Senator Craig. (secret foot wag)
Still many questions remain unanswered.
Who will he 'hand' the 'job' to? When he says he is not gay, which meaning is he actually referring to? Is anyone 'cock' sure if he is a threat to national security or is he merely a 'sucker' for pleading guilty? Do we need a best selling booklet on the secret code words like "is the circus in town?" and the semifore hand signals using toilet paper? Should Senator Craig be court ordered to only use the women's room from now on? ...

Perhaps everyone should just forgive and forget and have Rev. Ted Haggert, Tom Foley and Senator Craig lead the way in a daisy chain of forgiveness.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 09:09 AM

To a large extent you are how you define yourself. If Craig thinks himself to be straight, even though he has gay sex in addition to straight sex (and he has children), he might be confused, he might be in denial, but in his own mind he's not gay.

In wartime, soldiers have been known to have homosexual encounters, and yet when the war is over they return to strict heterosexuality (see the aforementioned Kinsey report). Are they gay or straight?

(A similar example is someone "born into the wrong body." Chromosonally they might be female, but mentally they define themself as male and consider themself such. Even after surgery and hormonal therapy they would still, chromosonally, be female. But this is an area the courts will have to someday decide, and I'm glad it will be up to someone else.)

Craig is, I'm certain, straight in his own mind. Others, however, view him as a liability.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 08:16 AM

Well, one thing fir sure is there are no shortgae of hypocrits in Washington so, yeah, Ron... The guy is a hypocrit..

But who was hurt???

The dems meanwhile refuse to use the tools that are at their disposal to end the Iraq war but the media ain't sayin' nuthin' about that...

Jus' MO...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Ron Davies
Date: 30 Aug 07 - 12:01 AM

Sen. Craig is either:

1) a hypocrite for coming out against homosexual marriage and other measures in their favor--while being one himself

or

2) a complete idiot for pleading guilty-- to anything--he actually is not guilty of.

In either case he should be bounced out.

Irony is: the Bushites will in fact bounce him out--but not for either of these reasons. They'll do it since they are now determined to try to avoid more scandal--and homosexuality itself is scandal, as far as they--and a lot of their firebreathing partisans--are concerned. When Rove was asked what he did wrong in the 2006 campaign, the answer was not removing all Republicans who had any taint of scandal--long before the election. Many Republicans are convinced that the perception of being a scandal-ridden party was the greatest single factor in their loss of Congress-- even more than the Iraq war.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:44 PM

No, Bobert. I'm not bashing gays. I have and have had too many gay friends for that. Even here in Pocatello, Idaho, one of the reddest states in the US, there's at least one openly gay gay bar. I haven't been there, not because it's gay, but because I don't go to bars anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:40 PM

The arrest documents and the plea are online via the Associated Press. One thing that is mentioned in the police report that I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere is that, according to the arresting officer, Craig peered at him for some time through the crack between the stall door and the stall wall before he went into the stall on the officer's left.

Craig also apparently tried to intimidate the arresting office with his public office.

You can find PDF copies of the documents in a box towards the bottom of this page; the box is labeled "Related Court Documents."

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:39 PM

I think that seeking homosexual sex in a public bathroom is indicative of an intolerant society...

Seems there exhists some insider communication stuff that no one wants to be talk about... The tappin' of the foot...

I mean, here we are judging a man who because of the *limits* we put on personal freedom as to sexuality is kinds forced into a cruddy situation...

This isn't as much about Larry Craig as it is about our society...

We seem to feed on a crimnal code that puts way too much emphasis on heterosexual values and way too much on *victimless* crimes... Had this undercover cop not been an undercover cop who was out there probably engaging in some *trolling* on his own as part of his assignment but been a regular gay guy, who knew what ther foot tappin' meant, and engaged in sex with the Senator like exactly who would have been harmed???

No one!!!

I'm so sick of stings and victimless prosecutions...

This ain't waht freedom is about...

Hey, this guy wasn't stalkin' young men... He was doing something that as foriegn to striaght people as it can be, is part of (not the whole story) but part of being gay and not in a monogomous relationship...

Some of you folks need to guit the gay bashing... Some of you don't even know you are doing it and that is the sad part... You don't have to tie a gay kid behind a pickup truck and drag him thru a Texas town to fall into the "don't-get-it" category...

Lots of yoyu all just don't friggin' get it...

I'd suggest to any of you who think IO'm way off base to run off this thread, take it to anyone you know who is gay, and ask them what I'm desperately trying to tell you here...

And, for the record, the title of this thread is "gay bashing"...

Bobert (straight but with lots of gay freinds)

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: SINSULL
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:26 PM

I agree, JH. Soliciting sex from strangers in a public bathroom is not acceptable. He needs to go.


But it also explains one thing. If this is how you perceive gays behave then indeed you would call it perversion and outlaw it.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:12 PM

Two of my gay friends dropped into say "Hi!" today. They objected to Craig's actions because they considered him to be a hypocrite. Tom said, "Why can't he just come out and admit it and get on with life? Once in a while doesn't make you gay anymore than being married means you're straight."

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:08 PM

I guess I could have said it in a more friendly, more meaningful way...

To accept that Craig's behavior is the behavior of an inhibited gay person is a slap in the face to my gay friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:04 PM

I quite agree, JH.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:00 PM

"Too damned bad neither feels that it can be honest."

You think seeking sex in a public bathroom from a complete stranger is a symptom of feeling as though he can't be honest? I sure don't.

And I'm not really sure anyone is ready for a senator that says, "I will bring home the $$ to build you bridges, I will keep your sons....er....daught....er....family safe, and I will solicit sex from strangers in public bathrooms in my off hours!".

If saying that sticking my dick in a public bathroom stall's knothole to be serviced by some stranger is beneath me, then, yes, I'm holier-than-thou. And I'd hope I wouldn't vote for someone who wasn't similarly holier-than-thou.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 08:52 PM

I'm reminded that some cat once said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Both political parties have their hypocrites, both have skeletons in their closets.

Too damned bad neither feels that it can be honest.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 08:50 PM

he doesn't smoke after sex, but he does light a match or two.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 08:49 PM

Dougie,

The Repubs just missed a golden opportunity to come oiff a regular guys... They blew it...

And why???

Heck if I know??? There really aren't that many Jerry Falwell wingnuts out there, even in the South...

The Repubs are blowin' this one big time by pouncing on this poor feller...

In the words of Jesus: "Let you who has not sinned cast the first stone..."

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 08:46 PM

A "holier than thou" attitude is almost entirely in the eye of the beholder.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: curmudgeon
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 08:38 PM

Doug -   Republicans without "holier than thou" attitudes could also rise above reproach.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: DougR
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 08:29 PM

Yep, Big Mick, the Demos are above reproach.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Barry Finn
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 08:18 PM

Bobert, don't blame a dumbed down citizenery for his stupid behavior, we are dumb enough & on the whole not much better than those we keep voting into office.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 07:30 PM

Well, well, well...

This evening's news was all about the Repubs tryin' to pressure Craig out of the Senate... Normal... When they get caught that's purdy much their M.O these days... No more Foley incidents... Just cut and run....

Too bad they can't apply the same logic to Iraq...

But the larger issue is that I fear this incident is going to bring about yet another round of gay bashing... We don't need any more hate stuff put on us... We haven't digested the last batch...

I wish the guy didn't feel he had to lie about it... It has to be terribly embarassing for him and purdy much ruined his life... If we had a more enlightened citizenery he wouldn't have to lie...

Like I said, this is a sad commentary on our country more than on this one man...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 05:42 PM

There have been rumors about Craig starting with the Congressional interns scandal in (I think) 1982. He was never named; however, the rumors continued. I sincerely doubt that they reached the people of Idaho.

I don't think that he IS gay. I think that he's one of those males who will "make it" with both sexes but define themselves as "straight." This behavior was reported by Kinsey back in what? 1948 or so?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Barry Finn
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 05:00 PM

I feel no pity for him. He's a senator & his life is public. I don't care what he does in private but what he does in public is my concern & tells me what he's about. When Bush opens his mouth to speak he's an embarassment to anyone who speaks the english langauge, well when a senator hangs his dick out in public to be serviced he's much more of an embrassment to the nation. It's not exceptable behavior for a teenager, though could be excused with a talk with an adult, but a senator, NOT! His judgement is flawed, his sense of what's acceptable is flawed, his ability to draw lines with society is flawed & this only shows what he's about. I don't care if he wants to service or get serviced by each passing dog he sees, he can take those dogs home & do what he does in private. If he doesn't have the control nor the brains to do that then he's not fit to be one of our nation's top leader, lawmaker or guiding light. He needs to step down & starting walking the dogs.

It is a shame for his family but what's his wife doing with such an idiot in the 1st place she should dump him too, in which case we'll all be better off without him.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Big Mick
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 04:23 PM

Frank, it is just another case of them denying what research is showing us. I have asked fundies how they explain the fact that God made some folks gay, and God doesn't make mistakes. Their response is that homosexuality is a choice. I then point out that all the research seems to indicate that homosexuality seems to be determined by the size of the hypothalmus, or something such as this, as best as a layman such as meself can understand. The response is that the research is wrong. But these types of fundies are the same ones that set up a museum that shows folks walking with dinosaurs, despite the fact that the fossil record clearly indicates something different.

I can't help but feel pity for Craig. He is in such denial about who and what he is.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 04:13 PM

There is a sad side to this story although it on the surface appears funny. The Republican Authoritarian personality is bound to get caught at something like this. ( Some of you might remember Anita Bryant who spoke so publicly about the "sins" of homosexuality until it was revealed that her husband was gay. ) Instead of compassion for those who seek illicit sexual pleasure on the "Low Down", the authoritarians amoung us like to beat up on homosexuals. This is because they themselves have the urges that lead to social ostracism.

If acceptance of homosexuality as a biological fact instead of a moral issue were in this country, then all of this would just go away. As long as Authoritarian Republicans continue to rail against their own behavior by being little Nazi crusaders about it instead of showing compassion and understanding for the plight of those who have a problem dealing with their sexuality, then more Republicans will be coming out of the closet in droves.

"Methinks thou protesteth too much"...............I think the sad thing is that many Republicans don't get that. It's interesting that those affected are preachers and politicians.

Frank Hamilton

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 03:38 PM

Well, at least Coleman is disproving the general accusation -- that of Republican hypocrisy.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: curmudgeon
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 03:28 PM

Another   Republican speaks out.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 02:20 PM

"I didn't know he was a gay blade until he stabbed me in the back."

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: jacqui.c
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 01:19 PM

"Methinks the lady doth protest too much"

And the Senator.

If he was so sure of his innocence why plead guilty at all? He must have known that, with his profile, this would come out at some point.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Mickey191
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 12:49 PM

FROM GOOGLE:

Allegations that Craig is a homosexual have followed him for at least 25 years. In 1982, CBS News broke stories on the Congressional page sex scandal. In the first story, an unidentified page said he'd been propositioned by male members of Congress. Though the story didn't implicate then-Representative Craig, nor any member of Congress by name, Craig immediately issued angry denials of any involvement… the only member to do so.

Six months after the unfortunate page stories and Craig's response, he got engaged. Today he's married, has three grown children and nine grandkids.
Why has he appeared so horrified for so many years that someone might think he's attracted to men? Part of the answer lies in his constituency. He's been elected to five House terms and three Senate terms by loyal voters in the conservative state of Idaho. His public life and stance is the antithesis of gay. He has often voted against gay rights, and last year supported a state constitutional amendment banning gay marriage in Idaho.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It's the hypocracy and his voting record that should make him ashamed. His constituents may not care-as long as he continues to vote their way.

We know one thing--Mitt does not suffer fools lightly. Here's your hat, Larry--What's your hurry?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 11:49 AM

Either or both; the reader decides.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 10:24 AM

"Oh, I'm sorry. Is that what gays do? I wasn't aware that sticking your dick in the knothole of a public bathroom to be serviced by a stranger was "gay"."


               I suspect it only works this way for "gay" Republicans. A large number of them spend so much time in church, they've been rendered incapable of rational thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:22 AM

When is a hole not a hole? When it's a knothole!

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:15 AM

is "splintery" an adjective or an adverb?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:12 AM

I don't know, JH, but it could be splintery.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 06:53 AM

"What will kill him is the hypocrisy; I don't think most people in Idaho give a rat's ass if he's gay or straight or neither or both."

Sure. It might be that they don't care if he's gay or straight or a rat's ass. But they MIGHT just think twice about a gay or straight guy who wants to represent them but doesn't show the good sense to not stick his dick through a knothole in a public bathroom stall.

Oh, I'm sorry. Is that what gays do? I wasn't aware that sticking your dick in the knothole of a public bathroom to be serviced by a stranger was "gay".