Civil War Ballads

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 07 Apr 01 - 05:04 PM

Rosin the Beau and Lincoln and Liberty too share the tune (almost) with Acres of Clams, too.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 07 Apr 01 - 04:20 PM

Rincon Roy: You are correct that the San Patricios fought for the Mexican army. To clarify, they were Irishmen who initially joined the American Army and deserted to join the Mexican army. (Which is why Gen. Winfield Scott had a fair portion of them executed.) The song Lincoln and Liberty, written by Jesse Hutchinson borrowed the tune of Rosin the Beau. I'm not familiar with the song The Men of the West. Do the three songs share the same tune? In addition to the famed Irish Brigade of the Civil War, there was a unit know as the Clinch Rifles, raised in Georgia who fought for the Confederate cause. One of the best general in the CSA was Patrick Cleburne who had fought with the British Army in Crimea. He was killed at the battle of Franklin Tennesee. And by the way, The Streets of Laredo derives from The Bard of Armagh. Kindest reguards, NEil

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: GUEST,TheGreatBear
Date: 07 Apr 01 - 10:10 AM

I'd recommend David Kincaid's "The Irish Volunteer." It's my favorite CD for Irish Civil War songs.

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: Rincon Roy
Date: 04 Nov 98 - 04:37 AM

I also understand that a group of Irishmen crossed over from the yankee army in the Mexican War preceding the American CW and fought valiantly for the Mexican defending forces who nicknamed them the "San Patricios" (the Saint Patricks).

another surprising detail: Tucson Arizona was founded around 1775? by Col. Hugo Oconor, an Irishman in the service of the king of Spain.

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: Dave White
Date: 04 Nov 98 - 12:46 AM

Anne Hills does a wonderful Civil War ballad (she duets this song w/various artists) called "Richmond on the James" I found it on "Never Grow Old" Flying Fish Records

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: Martin Ryan
Date: 16 Oct 98 - 06:29 AM

A follow up to the article mentioned at the top of this thread:

http://www.irish-times.com/irish%2Dtimes/paper/1998/1013/south2.html

BTW Dan: [e-mail] should reach me now! Have you a new address?

Regards

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From:
Date: 02 Oct 98 - 01:50 PM

A very Good set of albums was made by a group called the Cumberland three, featuring John Stuart. The Albums were called Civil War Songs of The South and ..obviously..Civil War etc. Ernie Ford also did albums of civil war songs. Both of these have been released as cds. The Cumberland Three Album has some excellent things on it.

Aldus

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: Alice
Date: 01 Oct 98 - 02:06 PM

Hi, I have refreshed a thread related to this thread that I started in May.

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Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: BSeed
Date: 01 Oct 98 - 12:19 AM

Among the Confederate songs is the comical but historically meaningful "Goober Peas." It's on the DT, as is another goofy Rebel song, "Mister, Here's Your Mule."

--seed

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: Barry Finn
Date: 30 Sep 98 - 05:04 PM

Thanks for the kind offer Dan but the tape, as far as I'm concerned, by far exceeds what I paid for. I picked it up because of "Billy O'Shea", so what a trill when I heard the rest, another trill was to find that Shea was the one you first heard it from, talk about a great circle route, we see each other every Tues. By the time your CD is out, at the rate I'm going, I'll have worn out the tape anyway so it'll have gone far past & beyond it's expected life, I've probably put over 75,000 miles on it, my CD's don't last that long in the truck, maybe I get 25,000 out of them (I don't have a fancy CD player in the truck, I think I need to up grade the truck before the CD's, it's got over 1/4 million miles on it). The great thing for me with LPs, I couldn't take the best out on the road with me & ruin them. Give Bonnie a hello from me. Thanks Barry

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: Bob Schwarer
Date: 30 Sep 98 - 04:36 PM

If you want a great catalog that has a fine selection of CDs tapes, and books on civil war music spend 5 bucks for the "Dixie Gun Works" catalog.

Dixie Gun Works, Inc
Box 130 Gunpowder Lane
Union City, TN 38281
Their phone is [phone] & no I don't have a financial interest in it.(But I wish I did).

Bob S.

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 30 Sep 98 - 03:51 PM

Hi Barry!

Thanks for the kind words. I'll start a new thread on "Irish Ballads & Songs of the Sea" when I when it's a CD reality and I get some copies here. I'll give you a full $ credit for your tape if you want to "upgrade" to a CD. Ok, pal? There are a number of retakes and a few additional songs on the CD. The sound should be excellent too.

But back to the U.S. Civil War... there are some Confederate songs too...

All the best, Dan Milner

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: Barry Finn
Date: 30 Sep 98 - 02:52 PM

Well Golly Dan, I must say what I've got is a tape of great stuff by you, it must be the preCDrelease tape that was selling at this past Mystic, funny I had to start a long drive this morning at 5am & I brought you along for company, again, you seem to travel well. Great job, very rare & very well done. Barry

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: Kathleen
Date: 30 Sep 98 - 01:12 PM

Has anyone heard the music for the PBS Civil War special by Ken Burns? I have the tape of it, but not with me unfortunately. Anyways, it's a good example of the different sounds and perspectives of the war: slave songs, rebel songs, yankee songs, women's songs, etc. There's a song on it called "Lincoln and Liberty Too" which is actually "The Men of the West." Now that I think about it, I don't know if that's the correct title for the Irish version: I give you the galant of Wexford/Where rally the bravest and best/When Ireland was broken and bleeding/ Hurrah for the men of the west! Another misplaced Irish tune on the tape is "When Johnny Comes Marching Home Again" aka "Johnny I Hardly Knew Ye." If you like Civil War music, I strongly recommend looking for it. It's simply called "Songs of the Civil War." I'll have to look for more info on it

Subject: RE: Civil War Ballads
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 30 Sep 98 - 12:41 PM

Hi Martin!

Very interesting. Thanks for letting us know. This is a fascinating area of folk music.

Happy to tell you that I am anxiously awaiting the CD test pressing of "Irish Ballads and Songs of the Sea". "Billy O'Shea," sung by myself and Lou Killen is on it. There are 15 songs altogether. The other performers are Mick Moloney, The Irish Tradition, Brian Conroy and a group of guys I've sung with, off and on, at South Street Seaport here in NYC since 1972 (including, my brother, Liam). The CD should be on Folk-Legacy but I'll try to work out something so that it's readily available in Ireland too. At the least, I'll bring some to Ballyliffin in case anyone is interested.

Getting back to the thread, Dave Kincaid is singing in NYC tonight. Bonnie and I are going. I have heard the CD once and it's very well done though quite "produced." He has a good voice but, and the only negative, is that he uses it a lot like a rock'n'roll singer.

Bonnie and I sang "Pat Murphy of the Irish Brigade" up in Ballyliffin. We had a couple of other Irish-American songs from the Civil War to do in keeping with the theme of the seminar but didn't get around to them.

Bob Conroy, whom you met in Ballyliffin, and I are in the middle of recording a "theme" CD that will include at least 3 U.S. Civil War songs of the Irish. Will keep you posted.

Hope your computer troubles are diminishing.

All the best, Dan Milner

Subject: Civil War Ballads
From: Martin Ryan
Date: 30 Sep 98 - 06:46 AM

The Irish Times newspaper had an article on Irish ballads from the American Civil War, yesterday, which might be of interest. It's in the on-line edition at:

http://www.irish-times.com/irish-times/paper/1998/0929/south2.html

Regards