Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III

Subject: RE: Trump CONVICTED - NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 05:08 PM

The Supremes didn't give Steve Bannon a get out of jail free card.

The Supreme Court on Friday rejected former Trump adviser Steve Bannon’s effort to avoid prison while he appeals his contempt of Congress conviction.

The court dispensed with the case in a brief order. There were no noted dissents.

Bannon, a conservative podcast host and former strategist for Donald Trump, asked the Supreme Court last week to pause his prison sentence. A federal judge ordered Bannon to turn himself in by July 1 to begin serving a four-month sentence.

The order came months after another former Trump adviser, Peter Navarro, similarly failed to receive a break from the conservative high court. In his filings with the Supreme Court, Bannon pointed to the House’s plans – approved on party lines – to weigh in on the merits of his appeal as it proceeds in DC’s federal appeals court.

Now the question is - will the Trump sentencing hearing be broadcast?

Major media outlets push for live coverage of Trump's sentencing in 'hush money' case

To satisfy “unparalleled public interest” and ensure transparency, a coalition of prominent media organizations has petitioned for the upcoming sentencing of Donald Trump in the Manhattan “hush money” case to be televised.

Representatives from major outlets, including the Associated Press, New York Times, and Wall Street Journal, argue that broadcasting the July 11 hearing live would allow the American public to witness the culmination of Trump’s legal saga firsthand.

This move comes in the wake of Trump’s conviction on 34 felony counts related to falsifying business records linked to payments made to silence allegations from adult film actress Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 election.

“Given Mr. Trump’s candidacy in the upcoming presidential election just months away, the historical and political significance of his sentencing cannot be overstated,” attorneys stated in a June 21 filing to Justice Juan Merchan of the Manhattan Supreme Court. . . . Trump faces a potential sentence of up to four years in prison, but alternatives like probation or community service are also on the table. His conviction marks a historic moment as the first former US president found guilty of felony criminal charges.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: robomatic
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 02:20 PM

Sandman you wrote:

"Biden was struggling with his words despite having two breaks."

You may not be aware (as I was not aware until recently) that Biden had speech impediment issues when he was young. They could be re-assertiing now that age is catching up with him.

I agree with your observations. I do not think that in his case they indicate COGNITIVE issues. In other words his verbal slips are more typo issues than intellect issues. His opponent has major issues, moreover, all his people, friends, political supporters, and judicial picks, have or will have major detrimental issues for the United States (although the United States will survive).

Of course, your mileage may vary.

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See the entire essay by historian Heather Cox Richardson for context into what was actually going on. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 02:16 PM

Thankd you Stilly. That makes a lot of sense.

If Biden can address the issues and lies raised by Trump when Biden holds his rallies or in his ad campaigns he might be able to counteract the lies effectively and promote his own strengths and achievements.

I was beginning to believe that Biden was going to concede defeat at the Democratic Convention and allow another candidate to stand but I'm starting to wonder whether he may have been lulling Trump into a false sense of security so that he can expose his vulnerabilities more effectively. From what I have seen so far of Trump's campaign, he has said very little about what he hopes to do if he is re-elected so there is a bit of insight into his plans - allowing for the fact that his brain waves blow about in the wind and whatever he says he will do could be something completely different.

I live in hope. I just wish the court case about storming the Capitol could have been scheduled before the election, and I am waiting and hoping for a useful punishment to be revealed from the Stormy Daniels trial which may put some limits on Trump, in some way. Although I bet it doesn't, considering he is already using campaign funds that he has raised to pay his legal debts already and another financial penalty will mean very little to him.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 12:32 PM

We will resume the discussion of the Trump indictments and trial results. His dirty tricks are legion, and the courts are where he's getting his comeuppance.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 09:45 AM

Trump's folks calculated how to deploy Biden's speech impediment to their advantage - the way Trump rattled off lies gave no chance to respond to each in turn, there were too many. This was a debating technique called the Gish Gallop.

This from historian Heather Cox Richardson:

Trump also directly accused Biden of his own failings and claimed Biden’s own strengths, saying, for example, that Biden, who has enacted the most sweeping legislation of any president since at least Lyndon Johnson, couldn’t get anything done while he, who accomplished only tax cuts, was more effective. He responded to the calling out of his own criminal convictions by saying that Biden “could be a convicted felon,” and falsely stating: “This man is a criminal.” And, repeatedly, Trump called America a “failing nation” and described it as a hellscape.

It went on and on, and that was the point. This was not a debate. It was Trump using a technique that actually has a formal name, the Gish gallop, although I suspect he comes by it naturally. It’s a rhetorical technique in which someone throws out a fast string of lies, non-sequiturs, and specious arguments, so many that it is impossible to fact-check or rebut them in the amount of time it took to say them. Trying to figure out how to respond makes the opponent look confused, because they don’t know where to start grappling with the flood that has just hit them.

It is a form of gaslighting, and it is especially effective on someone with a stutter, as Biden has. It is similar to what Trump did to Biden during a debate in 2020. In that case, though, the lack of muting on the mics left Biden simply saying: “Will you shut up, man?” a comment that resonated with the audience. Giving Biden the enforced space to answer by killing the mic of the person not speaking tonight actually made the technique more effective.

There are ways to combat the Gish gallop—by calling it out for what it is, among other ways—but Biden retreated to trying to give the three pieces of evidence that established his own credentials on the point at hand. His command of those points was notable, but the difference between how he sounded at the debate and how he sounded on stage at a rally in Raleigh, North Carolina, just an hour afterward suggested that the technique worked on him.

It wasn't a real debate, there was no real-time fact checking, they didn't do anything to keep Trump on topic.

Biden doesn't need to ever talk to Trump in person again, and it seems that this gaslighting adventure is another reason why.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 04:15 AM

I am sorry if my opinion upsets democrats, but that was how i saw the debate.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 03:46 AM

Trumps mic was turned off when Biden was speaking.
This particular Presidential debate had 2 commercial breaks during a 90 minute period., which apparently is very unusual.
Biden was struggling with his words despite having two breaks.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: robomatic
Date: 28 Jun 24 - 01:51 PM

I watched the entire debate, but I am a partisan (Democrat). My number one concern was for my guy not to topple over. The politics these days have been full of projection, so I thoight it might be TRMP who'd be drugged up.
I thought Biden appeared a bit weak and hard to untangle early on. He recoveed for the body of the debate, and he was employing somewhat the tactics of the Reps by being aggressive rather than sharp. Which I thought was appropriate given the frame of the debate, his opponent, and the times we are sadly living in. TRMP was handy with lies for all occasions and some whoppers, such as his insistence that the overthrow of Roe V Wade was what everyone wanted.
Biden seemed to derive energy from TRMP in that he responded to most of TRMP's assertions whether or not he could outquote or out-facct him, which is a losing tactic in the environment.
I thought Biden's closing statement was the weakest part of his performance, so I thought it was not a bad thing that Trump got the last word.

I'm hearing a lot of media talk about panicked Democrats, which I hope will settle down. Biden was still standing at the end of the day which was my main requirement. Whether or not the average American understands this, he's a true tough guy, he's kept a relevant working administration together in the wake of some major bad actors at home and abroad.

TRMP was most approximated by Berlusconi, or that was my opinion in 2016. Unfortunately for us, Berlusconi achieved re-election. I'm hoping Americans are a bit better than that. I don't know if U.K. has their own equivalent. I thought Boris might be, but I think he had more neurons firing in synchrony in his skullbox than TRMP.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jun 24 - 08:58 AM

I watched part of it, and left it to an overview for the rest.

The format didn't allow time to get into a lot of detail, and Trump rolled out so many lies - where to begin?

If you look at the substance of what was said, Biden was a clear winner, head cold or not. Trump was a liar as usual.

Trump will want to roll out clips from when Joe's voice was low, Biden will roll out clips of Trump's lies (or of him calling Trump a liar and a felon).

Now put your heads down and get to work, because Trump is just as much a disaster for the US today as he was yesterday.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Jun 24 - 08:23 AM

I didn't watch it either but from this morning's coverage it appears that Trump rolled out a litany of lies and falsehoods,as usual, that Biden didn't challenge. I feel gut-punched this morning. The president is not going to get any younger over the next 4 and a half years and voters are going to be aware of that. Perhaps the DNC can get him to step aside before the convention. Kamala Harris, a former prosecutor, could make life difficult for Trump, the greatest threat to our Democracy during my lifetime, and make the old fraud accountable on coming debate stages.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 24 - 05:16 AM

I didn't see the debate either (I cannot even stand to look at or listen to him) but the BBC reports that Biden did not fare very well.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 28 Jun 24 - 04:58 AM

I didn't watch much of the debate between Biden & Trump but the faces Trump was pulling throughout the debate reminded me very much of this animated character from the TV live action game show called Frogger.

Frogger - Boss Toad looks like Trump

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 22 Jun 24 - 11:43 AM

It might be a good idea to strap Trump into his seat as well or even give him the full Hannibal Lechter rigging. Roll him onto the stage just like his hero.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jun 24 - 11:00 AM

The importance of the new Presidential debate mic cutoff

A five-minute video with the brief remark below it:

"Being able to turn off the mic is a really powerful tool," says John Donvan, Debate Moderator-In-Chief for the group Open To Debate. "Interruptions tend to be not in good faith....given the choice between losing atmospheric buzz and keeping the substance on track...I vote for keeping the substance on track."

John Donvan is a familiar voice to Americans who listen to public radio and television news.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Jun 24 - 11:52 AM

He has openly offered billionaires huge tax benefits if they support his campaign now, and they are lining up to fill his coffers. A big chunk of that cash will go to pay his legal bills (Trump never pays for those things on his own - he stiffs someone else or he simply refuses to pay, telling them they'll get "great exposure" from taking his cases). No musician is ever going to want to perform for him.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 24 - 08:22 AM

He seems to shooting himself in the foot more and more. Long may it continue!

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 24 - 10:11 AM

Wow! - Powerful stuff. Trump's team will spin it of course but, hopefully, the mud will stick.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jun 24 - 04:20 PM

The new Biden presidential ad takes the gloves off, now that Trump has been convicted.

The first debate is coming up next week. There will be no audience and the mics will be turned off for each candidate when it isn't their turn to keep Trump from speaking out the way he has done in the past.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Jun 24 - 04:35 PM

Still waiting for TRMP to float Alex Jones as a potential V.P. candidate.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 24 - 05:57 AM

You missed out the most important

Trump (noun) the noise made by breaking wind from the rear end

and

Trump (verb) the act of breaking wind from the rear end

Sums up the orange one to a tee.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 15 Jun 24 - 03:26 AM

I've been toying with the idea that the word "trump" might aptly describe some of Donald Trump's actions, what he might consider to be his triumphs, e.g. trumping the democratic process, or climate change action, or women's right to decide their best health options in consultation with medical professionals, or the people's right to effective and scientific health care in a pandemic. The list goes on and on.

Looking at the definitions on this page, I think I could come up with some hard hitting policy-based slogans for President Biden's election campaign. :-D

To trump is to outrank or defeat someone or something, often in a highly public way. Safety might trump appearance when you're buying a car, or your desires may trump your brother's when it comes to making weekend plans.

"In the card game bridge, the trump card is the most powerful card in a particular round and defeats all the others — sort of like when your needs or wishes trump someone else's. Originally trump implied a deceptive form of victory involving cheating, but that sense has been largely lost, though it's still around in the term trumped up, meaning something that's been falsely made up. A politician may face trumped up charges that could ruin his career.

Some of the other definitions of trump on that page:

    verb - get the better of. Synonyms: best, outdo, outflank, scoop

    noun - a playing card in the suit that has been declared trumps
    “the ace of trumps is a sure winner” Synonyms: trump card


    noun - (card games) the suit that has been declared to rank above all other suits for the duration of the hand
    “clubs were declared trumps”
    “a trump can take a trick even when a card of a different suit is led”
   
    noun - a final factor or resource that determines an outcome Synonyms: trump card
   
    noun - a brass musical instrument with a brilliant tone; has a narrow tube and a flared bell and is played by means of valves

    synonyms: cornet, horn, trumpet [or in Trump's case, an accordion :-D ]


    verb - proclaim or announce with or as if with a fanfare Synonyms: trump out

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jun 24 - 10:56 PM

It seems that Trump has threatened a lot of the movie distributors when it comes to a release of The Apprentice.

But nearly two weeks after its “bigly” premiere, the film still doesn’t have a U.S. distributor. Despite strong reviews, feverish media attention, a red-hot director in Ali Abbasi and a starry cast that includes Sebastian Stan and Jeremy Strong, “The Apprentice” remains up for grabs.

Sources close to the dealmaking say there are several potential buyers in the mix representing both theatrical distributors and streamers, and new offers continue to trickle in. But one of those sources revealed that none of the major studios are bidding, including their specialty labels like the Disney-owned Searchlight, Sony Pictures Classics or Focus, which is owned by Universal. Even some of the most daring indie distributors like Neon, which released Abbasi’s “Border,” aren’t offering a deal yet.

External reviews from the IMDb site.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jun 24 - 03:23 AM

”He makes it up as he goes.”

He does indeed. Unfortunately, there’s a sizeable number of voters who believe him - exactly how many will be determined in November - and, personally, I find those people even more scary than Agent Orange himself.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jun 24 - 02:59 AM

Seeing as he dismisses previous recordings as fake news, it would not make any difference.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 12 Jun 24 - 06:49 PM

He sure does. He would probably fare a lot better without recordings of his previous contradictory rubbish being thrown back in his face.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jun 24 - 05:43 PM

He makes it up as he goes.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 12 Jun 24 - 03:48 PM

Here it is:

Hunter Biden is now a convicted liar. Donald Trump won't let his father forget it

"Two guilty verdicts ripple through campaign

"Joe Biden's response presents a stark contrast to his likely opponent in the November presidential election, who continues to rail against what he says is a rigged justice system.

"Had Hunter Biden been acquitted, Donald Trump might have suggested it was proof that he, Trump, was being treated unfairly.

"A conviction is in some ways harder for Republicans to spin.

They after all are the party of greater gun rights.

"Some would argue that the right to bear arms is absolute.

"Their line was soon clear from a statement promptly released by the Trump campaign in response to the guilty verdict.

"'This trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the Biden Crime Family, which has raked in tens of millions of dollars from China, Russia and Ukraine.'"

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 12 Jun 24 - 03:36 PM

I saw briefly a mention of a Trump or maybe Trump supporter response to Hunter Biden's guilty verdict. (I'll find the actual quote if I can.) It puts them in an interesting double bind. If they go all high-&-mighty about Biden's son owning a gun then are they being hypocritical about all of those gun owners who did something massively illegal and invaded the Capitol?

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jun 24 - 02:33 PM

This week Hunter Biden was found guilty of lying about drug use on a federal firearms purchase document. It seems the Trump folks are a bit flummoxed by the conviction - they were hoping for an innocent verdict to which they could point and blame Biden for interfering, etc., and by extension, interfering and trying Trump.

Like Trump, H. Biden has the option of an appeal. The GOP prosecutor in the case was a Trump appointee who interfered last year when a plea agreement had been reached (common with truly victimless crimes and first time offenses). The agreement was scrapped and Hunter Biden put on trial. Talking heads are convinced (in general) that this trial happened because Trump wanted it to and the special prosecutor is, like Judge Cannon in Florida, beholden to Trump.

In other news, Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg who put Donald Trump on trial has agreed to testify before the clowns in Congress, on the day after Trump is sentenced. There will be fireworks (if nothing, heads exploding on the GOP side of the room.)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 24 - 02:31 PM

We can't get rid of him sadly. He is like herpes and just as unpleasant. Hopefully when he fails to get elected for the 9th time he will crawl back into the woodwork. I doubt it though. Like Trump and the legendary bad penny, he keeps turning up. The vote for Brexit did f**k up the UK. A vote for Trump will f**k up the world.

I'm not trying to jinx anything though. I sincerely hope you are right but I fear the worst.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jun 24 - 11:23 AM

There was an article in The Atlantic today that reflects your doom and gloom remarks, but I wish you'd all stop doing it. It's like you are wishing it to come true by saying it so often. Don't jinx us.

Here's a clip from that article (in case you hit the paywall).
WHAT EUROPE FEARS
American allies see a second Trump term as all but inevitable. “The anxiety is massive.”

The irony of Europe’s obsession with the upcoming election is that the people who will decide its outcome aren’t thinking about Europe much at all. In part, that’s because many Americans haven’t seen the need for NATO in their lifetime (despite the fact that the September 11 terrorist attacks were the only time Article 5 has been invoked). As one journalist in Brussels put it to me, the alliance has for decades been a “solution in search of a problem.” Now, with Russia waging war dangerously close to NATO territory, there’s a large problem. Throughout my conversations, one word came up again and again when I asked European officials about the stakes of the American election: existential.

“The anxiety is massive,” Victoria Nuland, who served until recently as undersecretary for political affairs at the State Department, told me. Like other diplomats in the Biden administration, she has spent the three-plus years since Trump unwillingly left office working to restabilize America’s relationship with its allies.

“Foreign counterparts would say it to me straight up,” Nuland recalled. “‘The first Trump election—maybe people didn’t understand who he was, or it was an accident. A second election of Trump? We’ll never trust you again.’”

We get it. We're working on it. Stop nagging, please, that makes it worse. Go get rid of Nigel Farage if you want something to do. (That should have happened ages ago, then maybe you'd still be in the EU.)

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 24 - 06:17 AM

Did Trump commemorate D-Day even though his side lost? :-D

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Jun 24 - 01:53 PM

No surprise there Dave. And I, for one, won’t be the least bit surprised when he’s re-elected in November. I fear it happening, but it won’t be any sort of surprise.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jun 24 - 11:11 AM

It's started

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 03:36 PM

No amount of postulating on an obscure folk music forum will stop the arsehole from gaining power though. All indications (not just polls - world opinion) are that he is a serious contender and threat to world peace.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 02:06 PM

Regarding gatherings of MAGAheads : I saw on a factual, analytical Oz TV show called Planet America that Trump held a rally in the last week or so and did his usual stunt of overstating the size of the crowd. I can't remember where the rally was, sorry, but Trump declared that there were (as I recall) 28,000 people there but official figures, including tickets sold, estimated that there were only about 3,500 people.

The numbers of MAGAheads gathering near the courthouse have been fairly low too, judging by the TV coverage.

It might be a sign of changing support numbers.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 12:49 PM

I don't see the old phoney getting much traction with Democrats this time around and his recent criminal conviction has got to hurt him with independents and undecideds, but then I've been very wrong before, going back to Tricky Dick's resurrection in '68.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 12:21 PM

I do hope so gillymor but still fear the worst. The number of registered party members is hardly an indication if what the electorate will do

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 12:17 PM

There are more registered Democrats in this country than Republicans so I don't see how the GOP can't afford to purge potential voters if they want to win or hold onto congressional seats. I think you're listening to the extremists who tend to make the most noise.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 11:45 AM

Other Republicans are now being told to support Trump or quit the party. It's "my way or the highway". Boils down to anyone saying the US legal system is good is a "traitor". Sadly it seems to be working and, even sadder, many of the electorate are gullible enough to believe it. I know it is not what you guys want to hear but to us outsiders it still looks like a win for extremists.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jun 24 - 11:18 AM

Last Saturday morning I rode my bike past a busy intersection here in Naples at around 10 A.M. and was dismayed to see about 15-20 MAGAheads pumping pro-trump signs in the air. I passed through that same intersection today at 10 and found their corner vacant. Not sure what that means but I took it as a good sign.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 31 May 24 - 04:45 PM

And "orange manbaby" in my head = those images of the Trump baby balloon. Funny!

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 31 May 24 - 04:43 PM

Stilly, in fact I don't give a hoot about Melania. It doesn't surprise me that she is the female version of Trump, but my comment was aimed at what I expect Trump's reaction would be: don't kick the big guys or the lawyers because they have the power to fight back, just go home and kick the wife.

How is this for hypocrisy? Kremlin says Trump's conviction is about White House 'elimination of political rivals'

The Kremlin and Putin are experts on that.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 31 May 24 - 12:34 PM

Herself just endured the manbaby's* tirade (11:00 New York time) so I didn't need to, and divulged the top bits: Dear me, everybody's against me [namecheck, namecheck], it's all the fault of the deep state, yada yada .... He's even managed to implicate China somehow, and separately the Congo, but it's difficult to tell.

Hmmmm .... The Goldwater Doctrine states that a psychiatric professional cannot pass judgement on a political person unless said person has been on said psychiatrist's couch. Methinks the manbaby's bletherings are basically him treating a microphone as said couch: he's basically doing a psychoanalytical coredump. He's incapable of resisting the lure of the open mike.

* I might have known. UK readers will be shocked (shocked!) to learn that the expression "orange manbaby" was courtesy of the Star, the most honest of the English tabloids.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 May 24 - 12:25 PM

The memes following this trial are fast and furious, but the next trial is what people need to keep their eyes on.

Just Security has a clearinghouse of Trump's trials, but it isn't up to date right now. They suggest the next one to start is the Mar A Lago documents trial. In fact, I think the supreme court has to stop fooling around and declare Trump to be a normal person subject to prosecution even for things he did when in office, then other trials can move forward. The D.C. one was ready to seat jurors before the supreme court said they'd hear his claim of immunity.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 May 24 - 09:56 AM

And none of the jurors looked at him. He can glare all he wants. By then, any fear or awe of Trump would have worn off. After Grisham/Daniels described his behavior to her I would think that put an end to his ability to intimidate those normal human beings. He's just a creep.

Helen, Melania is a piece of work who will be sure she stays out of harm's way. There was a book by Stephanie Winston Wolkoff who worked occasionally with Melania on fashion projects over the years prior to the inauguration, at which time Melania pulled her into the inaugural project (where Trump and cronies raked in and pocketed millions) and proceeded to run roughshod over her. She is easily as calculating as Donald, but more subtle about it.

The judge released the jury from the need to conceal their role or not discuss the case. If any would actually open up is unknown on this first day after the verdict - they would open themselves to horrible threats from his pin-headed minions and Q-anon followers.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 May 24 - 08:11 AM

I just read somewhere that he stared at all the jurors as he left. That must be a worry for them and their families.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 31 May 24 - 05:26 AM

If only the Capitol riot trial could have been held before the election. Imagine all the evidence being made public from that. Surely that would change the minds of the voters who are sitting on the fence.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: gillymor
Date: 31 May 24 - 05:15 AM

He recently bragged at a rally that he did ask his handlers to take him to the Capitol building on Jan. 6 but denied there was the physical confrontation that Cassidy Hutchinson testified about. Hopefully in doing so the dumbass gave prosecutors something they can use at his Jan. 6 trial.

Subject: RE: Trump INDICTED x4 NO new Trump threads part III
From: Helen
Date: 31 May 24 - 04:50 AM

MaJoC, you're correct of course. However, if he had been at the Capitol would he have been at the head of the attack, directly in harm's way or hiding behind a barrier at the back, yelling commands at everyone else to do his dirty work?