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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Den Date: 30 Mar 07 - 10:59 AM What about the boys in green over here? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 30 Mar 07 - 09:41 AM I agree England will qualify, but it is the way that they are playing that upsets me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: ard mhacha Date: 30 Mar 07 - 05:48 AM I forecast now that England will qualify, I had a look at their remaining fixtures and they will get enough points, their section consists of very poor teams, and they won`t lose any home fixtures. The Scots and the two Irish teams won`t qualify and poor old Wales are gone, my head is on the block, so remember I told you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Mar 07 - 08:09 PM One way of looking at managers is that they are lucky mascots. And McClaren's problem is, he's not lucky. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Big Al Whittle Date: 29 Mar 07 - 05:48 PM What is so bad about ths McClaren bloke? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: guitar Date: 29 Mar 07 - 11:59 AM As a Scot, I'm glad that England won, however I'm sorry that Andorra lost along with Scotland however we were taken on the world champions. And I knew that Scotland was going to get beat anyway because Italy are a better side. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 29 Mar 07 - 08:55 AM >>Martin O'Neill may be the best bet now. << No he won't be. He isn't leaving Villa me thinks. The last time we let our manager go, he finished up as a turnip head :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: GUEST Date: 29 Mar 07 - 08:18 AM It's no good moaning that McLaren never did anything as a club manager. When Erikson came, he had a good reputation from managing in the Italian league, but he still couldn't make any progress as England manager. It seems nobody can. It's a great shame Brian Clough never got to have a go, that would have been interesting. Martin O'Neill may be the best bet now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 29 Mar 07 - 07:49 AM >>the worst thing about tonight's result is that it may help to keep McClaren in position for a little longer<< Not sure about that Alanabit. Seems like the whole country and press are after him. How much pressure can he take. No matter what anybody thinks, he has lost the respect, and i don't know how he can move forward with enthusiasm and ensure motivation from the players. IMHO he is boring and crap. Get rid of him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: GUEST,Arnie at work Date: 29 Mar 07 - 07:49 AM Anyone know the truth about Lampard not being selected? I heard that it was due to a fractured wrist but the papers say that McClaren had decided to drop him but didn't have the bottle to say so and used the wrist problem as an excuse - what a way to manage! At least it gave Gerrard the chance to come inside and look how he responded (fortunately!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: alanabit Date: 28 Mar 07 - 06:14 PM Good teams win when they play badly. Bad teams lose when they play well. As far as I am concerned, the worst thing about tonight's result is that it may help to keep McClaren in position for a little longer. If our newshounds had not been such intrusive ratbags, we could have had Scolari as manager. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: ard mhacha Date: 28 Mar 07 - 05:11 PM The punters who backed England at 1-2, minus 3 goals were very fortunate, N Ireland was the best win of the night beating Sweden 2-1,and going top of their section, the R of Ireland were worthy winners against a poor Slovak side. I seen the last 15 minutes of England v Andorra, pathetic, all that could be said in their favour, the last minute goal which saved the punters hides. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 28 Mar 07 - 05:02 PM Thank goodness for Gerrard. 3 - 0 to England in the end, but England were still not convincing. Saved McC...... job, I suppose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 28 Mar 07 - 04:14 PM Ah wellmy daughters said I could have some more punishment and let me watch the second half. Was I surpised to see that it was 0 - at half time (not). Doesn't look - well it does as at 53 minutes Gerrard has scored. Oh my god, are they going to trounce Andorra now!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 28 Mar 07 - 03:29 PM Half an hour gone and its typical rubbish again. Andorra 0 England Lions 0 Won't get to see the rest of the match as I have decided not to watch and let my daughters watch Sky instead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: autolycus Date: 28 Mar 07 - 03:28 PM I. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: autolycus Date: 28 Mar 07 - 02:49 PM I. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 28 Mar 07 - 07:25 AM Billy Wright. Now there was a player.I hated him becuase he was so good and played for Wolves not the Villa. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Big Al Whittle Date: 28 Mar 07 - 07:04 AM You're right - it went wrong a long time ago. In the land time forgot. When I was in my primary school, I saw Billy Wrights Wolves get thrashed by Barcelona, who were reckoned to be not quite as good as Real Madrid. They were just qualitatively different. The general consensus was that our blokes were jumping round in hobnail boots, like you bought off the market - whilst they had the sexy new 'continental' football boots. 'Continental style football boots' - I think you can still get them from the Anne Summers catalogue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: ard mhacha Date: 28 Mar 07 - 04:31 AM Apart from 1966 and 5 games at Wembley to win the win their one and only trophy, England have one of the poorest records in Europe. When all of the Leagues in England consisted of home grown players they still performed dismally, remember the star-studded England side embarrassed in the early rounds of the 1950 World Cup by the USA, as for their record in European Championships it is rock-bottom. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 28 Mar 07 - 04:21 AM Top Gas-Guzzlers All in all 25 top footballers have BMW X5s and 23 own Range Rover Sports. Bottom of the table in the environmental league. Heres the link Terry, Rooney, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Neville Thats not the only thing they are bottom at. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Mar 07 - 06:09 PM "Come on Andorra, well some has to support them, I always support the underdog." In that case, are you sure it is Andorra you should be supporting, guitar? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: autolycus Date: 27 Mar 07 - 04:17 PM Is it in the "English" "genes" not to change for anybody? I. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: GUEST,Cody Date: 27 Mar 07 - 04:01 PM Yaron Cohen is one of the biggest international stars in Israel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: GUEST,ib48 Date: 27 Mar 07 - 03:53 PM the country are getting a dose of what the boro fans had to suffer under Mcclown |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: guitar Date: 27 Mar 07 - 11:56 AM Come on Andorra, well some has to support them, I always support the underdog. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: ard mhacha Date: 27 Mar 07 - 09:34 AM The local bookmakers are giving England at 2 to 1 on for a win by 3 goals or more, this should be money for lifting against the mountain-men. Any takers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Mr Fox Date: 27 Mar 07 - 09:27 AM I near widdled meself laffin' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Den Date: 27 Mar 07 - 09:18 AM Motivation certainly is a factor and there are/have been several managers over the years that have been able to motivate players extremely well. Steve McClaren doesn't appear to be one of them. But how do you motivate multi-millionaires? Players today are far too wealthy. There's something wrong when a player making 50,000 a week can sit on the bench week in and week out. That aside I think that the problem with the England team runs deeper than that. I have watched them play many times over the years and this current team ironically touted be the best side in years to my mind is the worst I've seen for some time. In games against so-called lesser teams there seems to be a nervyness about England, no cut and thrust. It seems like for many the ball is a hot potatoe just get rid of it. That way you don't get caught in position and be raked over the coals by the press next morning. As I said earlier there doesn't seem to be a midfield playmaker nor any sort of leadership figure on the field. Smaller countries don't fear England any more. Andorra must feel that they are in with a shot and who would have thoght that just a few years ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: guitar Date: 27 Mar 07 - 05:06 AM at last someone agreed with me hooray |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Big Al Whittle Date: 26 Mar 07 - 07:22 PM Thats true Freddie Goodwin had Bob Latchford , Trevor Francis, Archie Gemmil, Kenny Burns playing for him in Birmingham City and they couldn't win. Brian Clough had them at Nottingham Forest and they couldn't lose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Tootler Date: 26 Mar 07 - 07:16 PM You forget the other important factor, Ard. Football is a team game. You can have the most talented individuals in the world, but if they don't work as a team, they will not win in the long run. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: ard mhacha Date: 26 Mar 07 - 05:15 PM It has sweet fa to do with patriotism, ability is the the key, a load of rubbish is poured forth about playing for the shirt, the only thing that the present day players are concerned with is money, nothing else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Blindlemonsteve Date: 26 Mar 07 - 03:26 PM I have to put my ten penneth worth in. so here go´s....i am English, i dont expect the England team to win every game, i dont even care if they dont win tournaments. What i do care about is that the 11 players on the field represent my country with pride, do their very best, so even if they lose, they represent a victorious win for the opposition. as a nation we are known for gritting our teeth and digging in when the going gets tough.being cunning and clever. being able to adapt quickly to changing situations....all these qualities are not shown on the pitch, and i for one feel really let down by them. I watched the U.S.A and Australia in the last world cup, they put theyre shirts on with pride, went out and played to the best of theyre ability, winning wasnt the the golden goal, perfoming for your country was what was important,,, everything i never saw in an England performance.... sad thing is, maybe they are representing the way the people think and feel....maybe our wonderful island isnt worth the effort any more. I for one hope not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: alanabit Date: 26 Mar 07 - 01:50 PM I saw the second generation of those Dutch masters caning England with complacent ease in Düsseldorf. As an England fan, I am not sure I would describe it as "pleasure", though I dare say ard mhacha would have enjoyed it! I also saw Johann Cryuff, then a Barcelona player, score a stunning goal at Villa Park. I must say that every time I see a rerun of the 1974 World Cup Final, it becomes more obvious that Holland are going to win easily. It is a wonder they never became world champions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 26 Mar 07 - 01:36 PM I was a bit lucky wasn't I Ard :-) Les |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: ard mhacha Date: 26 Mar 07 - 01:22 PM Sorry Villan, back on the rails again, that was my post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: GUEST Date: 26 Mar 07 - 01:20 PM Villan, You had the pleasure of seeing all of those Dutch masters, the true football fans idea of paradise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 26 Mar 07 - 09:54 AM LOL >>its hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys<< I like that but shouldn't it be donkeys not turkeys. Some good points there Den. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Den Date: 26 Mar 07 - 09:46 AM Good point Liz and about time that, that concept was introduced. I play indoor soccer for two hours every Friday night with a bunch of like-minded idiots. We all play in an over 35 league and our team comprises guys from all over the world. We usually adjourn to a local pub on Fridays after our session and invariably the conversation turns to all things soccer/football. We have discussed the England team once or twice and I believe the consenus tends to be that the English players for the most part can't cut it against their European counterparts and there are reasons for this. If you look at Gerard for example. Someone above has mentioned that he should play in the centre of midfield. He doesn't even make it in the centre a club level. Benitez has been playing him on the right side of midfield because Sissoko (French) and Alonzo (Spanish) do a much better job. Lampard plays in the centre for Chelsea but he has Makalele (French) covering his ass. So when he drifts forward as he does consistently the midfield compacts and Makalele bosses everything and if you watch most everything goes through Makalele. England do not have a playmaker in midfield, a position that is essential in the modern game. They haven't had one since Paul Scholes retired form the international scene. The one player who tends to shine in midfield, all be it as a defensive midfielder, is Hargreaves (Canadian). The English players tend to play better at club level because for the most part they play along side better foriegn players. Like the old addage goes, "its hard to soar with the eagles when you're surrounded by turkeys." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 26 Mar 07 - 09:15 AM That is what the new managment at Aston Villa are planning to bring in. I hope they succeed.For too long players have been earning huge amounts of money and doing very little when they get on the field. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Liz the Squeak Date: 26 Mar 07 - 09:00 AM Is it now time to put professional footballers onto performance related pay? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: alanabit Date: 26 Mar 07 - 02:05 AM The reason it is all so disappointing is that none of the other teams in England's group has three players, who would make the England team. The fact is, with that amount of talent available, we do expect better. I think these guys have skill levels a little above those of the Dave Watson and Emlyn Hughes type players of the seventies. Those guys really gave their best, but they never looked too special when the South Americans, or continentals took to the same pitch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Mar 07 - 08:24 PM And now they are up against Andorra on Wednesday... ..................................... "What's the point of England getting into the Euro 2008 finals anyway?" Pretty obviously because if they don't get in the BBC and ITV won't bother about broadcasting some pretty good matches involving other teams. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 25 Mar 07 - 05:15 PM Alanabit Forgot about Ruud gullitt - yes i did. There are certain players I agree who are good enough, but a lot who aren't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: alanabit Date: 25 Mar 07 - 05:09 PM The Villan: If you saw all those players - and I saw most of them too - you almost certainly saw Ruud Gullet in his prime. I actually got to see Pele, Alcindu and Edu as well. I reckon that Ruud Gullet was the best player, whom I ever saw close up. He was also quite happy to be "invisible" if that was what his team needed. That is a pretty subjective statement of course. I was in the old Rhein Stadion in Düsseldorf, when England's honest triers were complacently swept aside by the Dutch in 1986. However, I would disagree about the skill levels of England players nowadays. Steve Gerrard will put his body in front of a full blast kick from anyone and actually get the ball under control. Michael Owen can take the ball from practically anywhere within reach of the arc of his body and send it goalwards in one movement. I do not think that it is skill, which the current players lack. This is essentially the same England team, which took Germany apart before the last World Cup. They would not have a prayer against Germany at the moment, of course. It is not skill that is missing though. It is more like confidence and intuition. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: autolycus Date: 25 Mar 07 - 04:20 PM i agree,guitar,about uis choosing the team or shutting up. 'Twas the supporters who chose Keegan as English manager,a terrible choice. When the supporters saw the error of their way,they called for him to go. So maybe the supporters aren't much cop. And I don't think the right manager is the panacea. Ivor |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 25 Mar 07 - 03:48 PM No Al most of them are donkeys :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Big Al Whittle Date: 25 Mar 07 - 03:44 PM What d'you think - if we had a one team from all these islands - would that be a more formidable team? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Israel 0:England 0 From: Rasener Date: 25 Mar 07 - 03:38 PM That as well Ard When I lived in Holland, I was lucky enough to see players who could pass , keep possession and the abilty to turn on a sixpence and score goals. I was lucky as I lived about a ten minute cycle ride from the old Ajax stadium. Did I see some players. Yes sir. Cruijff, Van Basten, Kieft, Tscheu La Ling, Rijkaard, Lerby, Jansen, Olsen, Arnesen, Bergkamp, Wouters, Muhren, Krol, Wouters. Blimey did I see some skilful players. I was spoilt. When I came back to England, I was stunned at the low standard of English players. |
