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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 16 - 08:05 AM Israel in red, Muslim countries in green BTW. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 16 - 08:03 AM Have a look at this MAP, it clearly shows what the Arab/Muslim world and Israel haters begrudge a population of 6 million people who have faced persecution for millennia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 07:53 AM "In what way do you see the British as having "favoured the Zionists" at withdrawal, Jim? " Britain "London" was criticised by those responsible for the day to day administration of Israel for favouring Zionism - it was they who described the "chaos" that was left behind. Will try to dig out the article later. So the maps are all fakes Brucie Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Jan 16 - 07:45 AM Jim the UN report you linked to is not about the state of Israel expanding the borders of Israel. The state of Israel has not expanded, except for the inclusion of Jerusalem. It is still a tiny sliver of land amidst the vast Arab lands. Do you withdraw your claim about the seven day war and "millions of Palestinian refugees?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 07:43 AM "Britain steamed off back home, leaving the county in chaos by favouring the Zionists" .,,. Like most assertions in this thread, this is a matter of perception. It seemed to us at the time that the Brits had carefully ensured that the 6 [count them -- six] Arab armies were well poised to steam in as soon as they steamed out: particularly that of Transjordan, The Arab League, trained by British Glubb Pasha -- "Lieutenant-General Sir John Bagot Glubb, KCB, CMG, DSO, OBE, MC (16 April 1897, Preston, Lancashire – 17 March 1986), known as Glubb Pasha, was a British soldier, scholar and author, who led and trained Transjordan's Arab Legion between 1939 and 1956 as its commanding general" Wikipedia In what way do you see the British as having "favoured the Zionists" at withdrawal, Jim? Honestly just asking! ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 16 - 07:41 AM "Anti-Israel activists often use doctored maps to show Israel's supposed malfeasance over the past century. Such claims are made by people who, in the best case, have no knowledge of the facts, and in the worst case, have no moral compass." The Mendacious Maps of Palestinian "Loss" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 07:25 AM " Perhaps you should look at who can and cannot own property and live in Jordan and take note of the fact that that has been the case since 1923." Perhaps you should explain how two wrongs make a right? Israel's record of oppression of the Arabs is beyond denial - the stealing of a#Ara#b land was stated as fact by David Ben Gurion, it has been a way of life from the day Britain steamed off back home, leaving the county in chaos by favouring the Zionists, it is an ongoing fact. "The Sasson Report is an official Israeli government report published on 8 March 2005 that concluded that Israeli state bodies had been discreetly diverting millions of shekels to build West Bank settlements and outposts that were illegal under Israeli law. The report was commissioned by the Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, and was headed by the former head of the State Prosecution Criminal Department Talia Sasson. Talia Sasson would later run for the Israeli elections as part of the left wing party Meretz." SASSON REPORT Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 06:35 AM "Maybe five square miles?" You have the maps Keith - all faked, no doubt You have the film of settlers throwing out the occupants - faked no doubt THIS UN REPORT IS OBVIOUSLY FAKED You are insane. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Jan 16 - 06:19 AM Jim, the only expansion of Israel is the inclusion of Jerusalem. Maybe five square miles? Not much expansion in nearly seventy years! It is still a tiny sliver of land amidst the vast Arab lands. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Teribus Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:56 AM "I've yet to hear of Arabs setting up an Apartheid State" Really Jom?? Perhaps you should look at who can and cannot own property and live in Jordan and take note of the fact that that has been the case since 1923. On demographics take a look at the changes in Gaza, the Lebanon, Syria and Iraq comparing 1948 to the present, then compare it to the demographics related to Israel over the same period. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:46 AM MAPS Anybody who can be given a film of settlers actually driving out an Arab family because they fancy their home and claim expansionism isn't taking place must be.... something else!!! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:28 AM Tell us what has been added to the state of Israel since it was created Jim. How far have its borders moved? You should look at some maps Jim. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:24 AM "Israel has not expanded either. " WHAT!!!!!!"! You are mad - go and look at the maps Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:20 AM "Mike - I wasn't having a pop at the efforts to set up The State of Israel..." .,,. Noted with thanks, Jim. ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:13 AM 'Nurse! Nurse! He's out of bed again!' .,,.,. Was this ever funny or clever or had anything to be said for it? Anyone think it still is/does/whevs? How pathetic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:05 AM Arabs have been living there for many centuries - both have an equal right to do so - neither have a right to drive the other out. Arab armies have tried several times to drive the Jews out Jim, starting on day one of Israel. I've yet to hear the Arabs accused of expansionism - they are the victims of it; Israel has not expanded either. It is still a tiny sliver of land amidst the vast Arab states. The millions of Palestinian refugees have been refused the right to return after The 7 Day War The seven day war produced no such exodus of refugees Jim. Egypt's lands have all been returned, but Jordan did not want West Bank back. No refugees though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 04:23 AM "Jews had been living in Judea and Samaria for generations " Arabs have been living there for many centuries - both have an equal right to do so - neither have a right to drive the other out. I've yet to hear the Arabs accused of expansionism - they are the victims of it; I've yet to hear of Arabs setting up an Apartheid State - but they will be the victims if it ever succeeds. The Israelis are so proud of their history that they have locked away the writings of their founders; they are so ready to associate with their Arab neighbors that they have created armed checkpoints, built Berlin-type walls to keep them out; they are so ready to encourage their people to be friendly with their Arab neighbours that they have banned a book being used in school;s because it "encourages association": they are so ready to share the land that they have a long-term policy of forcibly driving the Arabs out to replace them with settlers of their own faith.... Both have been there since the year dot - unless they learn to live together, their children, their childrens' children and their childrens' childrens' children...... will continue slaughtering each other. The land is not the property of one faith or national or cultural group - it belongs to all who live there - at the present time, and for a long time past it is the right wing Israeli regimes who have been the aggressors. By the way Mike - I wasn't having a pop at the efforts to set up The State of Israel - to a degree, the 'terrorism' that took place was inevitable and, given the circumstances the post war Jews found themselves in, necessary. As usual, one man's 'terrorist' is another man's freedom fighter and national hero. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 12:28 AM ...but eenuff of this deathless po-tree... Back to the thread! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 12:26 AM LoL 2U GreggiMeDuckling The·#1·Incomparable·Kingsize·SpewInducer cccchhhhhhgggggrewwwwwssspppp ❤x≈M≈x❤ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Greg F. Date: 15 Jan 16 - 06:20 PM And you, EmGee, are the thing that spews. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Jan 16 - 05:22 PM Ah yes: we must all listen to GregF of course; and never forget that |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 15 Jan 16 - 04:25 PM I should also add that they will not ever be able to reclaim their properties under a two state solution as the Palestinian Authority has declared that a Palestinian state will be free of Jews. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 15 Jan 16 - 04:20 PM What - legend has it the Jews left in 70AD - are you seriously claiming they have held the right to return after nearly two thousand years. Seeing as how your comprehension is lacking I shall repeat what was said earlier: Jews had been living in Judea and Samaria for generations until they were evicted and had their properties seized and retitled by Jordan when it illegally occupied that territory in 1948........Get it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Greg F. Date: 15 Jan 16 - 01:41 PM the Jewish population would have regarded as guerilla freedom fighters and the British would call 'terrorists' The Irgun WAS a terrorist organization- full stop. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 15 Jan 16 - 01:17 PM "The Jews have left land they occupied for many centuries in Judea and Samaria What - legend has it the Jews left in 70AD - are you seriously claiming they have held the right to return after nearly two thousand years. The millions of Palestinian refugees have been refused the right to return after The 7 Day War Whether Israel was technically a Colony or Mandated to Britain is immaterial - Britain in charge and was glad to get it off their hands. The idea that the Jews could move back and evict the legal occupants after 2 millenia id utter nonsense - you you people know it. Try telling thee Yanks that they have to vacate the US - or the Australians or New Zealanders that they have nor rights to stay where they are - and that's only after a century or so - utter ****** nonsense. Still talking bollocks down to people shipmate - nothing changes - pompous pratt Jim Carroll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Teribus Date: 15 Jan 16 - 01:13 PM When the United Nations was founded certain League of Nations Mandates remained in force. The Mandate for Palestine was one of them - simple matter of record - people blow up hotels and murder people then they should fully expect to be punished for doing so. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Jan 16 - 11:05 AM 70 years! I meant nearly 100! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Jan 16 - 10:46 AM The facts of the 'colony' question are that Palestine'; governance was 'mandated' to Britain by the League of Nations at end of WW1. It was ∴ never a 'colony' as such, in any meaningful sense. The legal question, as to how far the Mandate remained valid after the League of Nations ceased to exist in 1946, was never satisfactorily settled; but the British maintained a 'de facto' administration, of questionable validity, & perhaps some persecutionary authoritarianism [eg flogging & executing some whom elements of the Jewish population would have regarded as guerilla freedom fighters and the British would call 'terrorists'; and receiving back what the Jewish groups in their turn would call 'reprisal actions':- like the assassination of Lord Moyne; the kidnapping and caning of an MP sergeant; & even more notoriously the hanging of two sergeants in Galilee; & the attempted letter-bombing in London of a former administrator which in fact killed his unfortunate brother] until official withdrawal in May 1948, when the State of Israel, which had been authorised by a partition agreement passed by the UN, was proclaimed. Nasty times. Even after nearly 70 years it's hard to apportion blame for what went on -- if such is even an appropriate thing to try and do. ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Teribus Date: 15 Jan 16 - 10:28 AM Before Jom the Infallible starts up, IIRC Great Britain was given Mandate Responsibility for Palestine in 1921 by an International Organisation called the League of Nations. The Mandate had a finite term of 27 years after which time Great Britain ceased to have any responsibility for the mandated territory. In the course of those 27 years Great Britain could only act with the agreement and approval of the League of Nations. According to my arithmetic 1921 + 27 years brings us to 1948 and if memory serves me correct that is when Great Britain departed and the Jews declared their independence and founded the sovereign state of Israel, immediately recognised by the U.S.S.R., the USA and the United Nations. All of Israel's Arab neighbours immediately went to war with Israel and were comprehensively defeated. Instead of opting for peace the Arabs elected to go to war and have been losing ever since - more fool them. So you see Jom - washing hands off anything just simply did not enter into it - Great Britain relinquished mandate responsibility exactly when they originally agreed to do precisely that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Teribus Date: 15 Jan 16 - 10:16 AM "Britain gave away Palestine in order to wash their hands of a troublesome colony" - Thus spake Jom the Infallible Tell us all Jom when and how Britain EVER acquired Palestine as a colony. I am absolutely dying to hear what our resident bigot and anglophobe comes up with this time, because as far as I am aware Palestine has NEVER been a British Colony. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 15 Jan 16 - 07:56 AM The Jews have left land they occupied for many centuries in Judea and Samaria when they were evicted and dispossessed and had their property retitled by Jordan during their illegal occupation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 15 Jan 16 - 06:03 AM "Every "offer" has entailed Palestinians leaving than " Correction - Every "offer" has entailed Palestinians leaving LAND Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 15 Jan 16 - 05:49 AM "The Palestinians have rejected every offer for a two state solution that Israel has accepted:" Every "offer" has entailed Palestinians leaving than they have occupied for many centuries to make room for Israeli settlers - every single one. It is little wonder that thy have refused - and that Israel has accepted. Britain gave away Palestine in order to wash their hands of a troublesome colony - they left to the sound of hand grenades being tossed into occupied homes by Israeli "freedom fighters". That "freedom" was won by acts of terror such as the bombing of The King David Hotel and street attacks against military and civilian alike, not unlike the present knife attacks against Israelis, only far more deadly and efficient. Israeli aggression towards the Palestinians to further expansionism mounting to crimes against humanity has continued ever since, protectd largely by over 100 US vetoes in the UN - yet the Palesrinians are presented as "the aggressor" - the extremism by the Israelis has reached such a point that it has been condemned by Te Us and its poodle the UK. Things have come to such a state in Israel that if has become necessary to lock away the writings of David Ben Gurion for fear of embarrassment None of this will be responded to by the David Irvings of this forum - Keith may have one more go in conjuring a "historian" to back up his support for terrorism but so far, he and 'Brucie of the Shadows' have remained silent on the facts and will probably continue to do so. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Jan 16 - 05:37 AM Jim, given two examples of how "equal" tha Arabs are in Isreel - you refuse to respond You and Richard suck up without question every bit of propaganda put out by Israel's sworn enemies. I am not so gullible, and neither are all the decent democracies in the world who would shun Israel if all that shit about them was true. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST,Musket Date: 15 Jan 16 - 02:53 AM I'd have thought the first thing they want is a less aggressive neighbour who might start respecting borders, stop nicking all the water and stop bombing schools and hospitals. Perhaps a neighbour who respects and engages with The UN might be nice too. Just a thought. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST,Aaron Swartz Date: 15 Jan 16 - 02:44 AM Globalution |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 16 - 08:52 PM The Palestinians have rejected every offer for a two state solution that Israel has accepted: In 1937, the Palestinians were offered a state (Peel Commision), they said NO. In 1947, The Palestinians were offered a state (UN Partition), they said NO. In 1967, The Palestinians were offered a state (Khartoum), they said NO. In 2000, the Palestinians were offered a state (Camp David), they said NO. In 2001, the Palestinians were offered a state (TABA), they said NO. In 2008, the Palestinians were offered a state (Olmert offer), they said NO. In 2015, the Palestinians were offered a state (French sponsored UN offer), they said NO. Each time it was offered and they refused, they resorted to violence against Israel. What do you think the Palestinians really want? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 16 - 08:52 PM The Palestinians have rejected every offer for a two state solution that Israel has accepted: In 1937, the Palestinians were offered a state (Peel Commision), they said NO. In 1947, The Palestinians were offered a state (UN Partition), they said NO. In 1967, The Palestinians were offered a state (Khartoum), they said NO. In 2000, the Palestinians were offered a state (Camp David), they said NO. In 2001, the Palestinians were offered a state (TABA), they said NO. In 2008, the Palestinians were offered a state (Olmert offer), they said NO. In 2015, the Palestinians were offered a state (French sponsored UN offer), they said NO. Each time it was offered and they refused, they resorted to violence against Israel. What do you think the Palestinians really want? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 14 Jan 16 - 07:17 PM "*eg in online Dictionary.com, the sole definition is noun 1. discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews." Well, to quote their own scriptures, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,".... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 16 - 04:10 PM ....which is not true of many surrounding countries. Careful now Keith or he'll be screaming Islamophobe at you in capital letters any moment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 14 Jan 16 - 03:14 PM "All citizens of Israel have equal rights under the law whatever their religion," You have just been given two examples of how "equal" tha Arabs are in Isreel - you refuse to respond You have been given a formidable list of forms of persecution carried out by Israel - your response - can't be true because the politicians and businessman wouldn't trade with them - how crass can you get (especially in the light of what's happening in Saudi Arabia at the present time). You're letting the side down Keith - you've forgotten everything David Irving taught you. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Jan 16 - 02:31 PM All citizens of Israel have equal rights under the law whatever their religion, and are free to practise any religion, which is not true of many surrounding countries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 14 Jan 16 - 01:16 PM "No, they want and have created a secular state where any religion can be practised" They wish to creat a Jewish state where Muslims are either excluded (hence their opposition assimilation) or have no rights - certainly not enough to protect them from expulsion in favour of settlers - you've been given links to the films of them actually been thrown out of their homes by settlers - BUT JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT... The Equality Report' which you have also been given, shows exactly how "equal" they are. Israel's predatory nature regarding land has even extended to Bedoins being driven out by water cannons and chemical sprays Bedouin Jewish Justice in Israel Wonder what Ben Gurion would have thought of that!! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Jan 16 - 11:02 AM the Israelis want a monotheistic state No, they want and have created a secular state where any religion can be practised. Unusual for that region. Ben Gurion recognised that - that is why he said what he said. David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as "the most important asset of the native population." Ben-Gurion said "under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them." He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. "Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement," Ben-Gurion added, "should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 16 - 09:32 AM "Jews stole Arab land."" FACT Since the formation of the State of Israel the people who have occupied that land for millennia have been systematically driven off that land. No nation - Empire - whatever has th right to give away occupied land AN OLD COLONIAL HABIT . That is what the trouble is about The Isrealis are setting up an apartheid state (just as they encouraged athe South Adrican Apartheid state to become nuclear efficient) and are preventing Israeli children t learn about assimilation The Palestinians have a right to be there and the Israelis want a monotheistic state - Ben Gurion recognised that - that is why he said what he said. JIm Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 16 - 08:13 AM MYTH "Jews stole Arab land." FACT Despite the growth in their population, the Arabs continued to assert they were being displaced. From the beginning of World War I, however, part of Palestine's land was owned by absentee landlords who lived in Cairo, Damascus and Beirut. About 80 percent of the Palestinian Arabs were debt-ridden peasants, semi-nomads and Bedouins. 18 Jews actually went out of their way to avoid purchasing land in areas where Arabs might be displaced. They sought land that was largely uncultivated, swampy, cheap and, most important, without tenants. In 1920, Labor Zionist leader David Ben-Gurion expressed his concern about the Arab fellahin, whom he viewed as "the most important asset of the native population." Ben-Gurion said "under no circumstances must we touch land belonging to fellahs or worked by them." He advocated helping liberate them from their oppressors. "Only if a fellah leaves his place of settlement," Ben-Gurion added, "should we offer to buy his land, at an appropriate price." 19 It was only after the Jews had bought all of the available uncultivated land that they began to purchase cultivated land. Many Arabs were willing to sell because of the migration to coastal towns and because they needed money to invest in the citrus industry. 20 When John Hope Simpson arrived in Palestine in May 1930, he observed: "They [Jews] paid high prices for the land, and in addition they paid to certain of the occupants of those lands a considerable amount of money which they were not legally bound to pay." 21 In 1931, Lewis French conducted a survey of landlessness for the British government and offered new plots to any Arabs who had been "dispossessed." British officials received more than 3,000 applications, of which 80 percent were ruled invalid by the Government's legal adviser because the applicants were not landless Arabs. This left only about 600 landless Arabs, 100 of whom accepted the Government land offer. 22 In April 1936, a new outbreak of Arab attacks on Jews was instigated by a Syrian guerrilla named Fawzi al--Qawukji, the commander of the Arab Liberation Army. By November, when the British finally sent a new commission headed by Lord Peel to investigate, 89 Jews had been killed and more than 300 wounded. 23 The Peel Commission's report found that Arab complaints about Jewish land acquisition were baseless. It pointed out that "much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamp and uncultivated when it was purchased. . . . there was at the time of the earlier sales little evidence that the owners possessed either the resources or training needed to develop the land." 24 Moreover, the Commission found the shortage was "due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population." The report concluded that the presence of Jews in Palestine, along with the work of the British Administration, had resulted in higher wages, an improved standard of living and ample employment opportunities. 25 Even at the height of the Arab revolt in 1938, the British High Commissioner to Palestine believed the Arab landowners were complaining about sales to Jews to drive up prices for lands they wished to sell. Many Arab landowners had been so terrorized by Arab rebels they decided to leave Palestine and sell their property to the Jews. 27 The Jews were paying exorbitant prices to wealthy landowners for small tracts of arid land. "In 1944, Jews paid between $1,000 and $1,100 per acre in Palestine, mostly for arid or semiarid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre." 28 By 1947, Jewish holdings in Palestine amounted to about 463,000 acres. Approximately 45,000 of these acres were acquired from the Mandatory Government; 30,000 were bought from various churches and 387,500 were purchased from Arabs. Analyses of land purchases from 1880 to 1948 show that 73 percent of Jewish plots were purchased from large landowners, not poor fellahin. 29 Those who sold land included the mayors of Gaza, Jerusalem and Jaffa. As'ad el--Shuqeiri, a Muslim religious scholar and father of PLO chairman Ahmed Shuqeiri, took Jewish money for his land. Even King Abdullah leased land to the Jews. In fact, many leaders of the Arab nationalist movement, including members of the Muslim Supreme Council, sold land to Jews. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFmandate.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 16 - 06:35 AM "but it is a fact that only one person ever claimed to have heard it and only wrote it down twenty two years later!" And nobody has ever challenged that it was said - nobody other than you Personally - I don't care too much for anything said by someone who expresses the hatred you do for an entire culture as implanted potential perverts - shows a very disturbed mindset Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Jan 16 - 06:25 AM I do not know or care if anyone else doubts that he said it, but it is a fact that only one person ever claimed to have heard it and only wrote it down twenty two years later! the occupation of Palestine as having "stolen their land" significant - No. Not in 1956. Israel was created by the UN just nine years previously. If anyone had stolen the land it was the UN. Arab armies tried to steal all the Jewish land when they attacked Israel on its first day of existence, and kept on trying for decades. That is significant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 16 - 06:16 AM Where are your supporters that Bn Gurion didn't say what he said Keith Your one-man-campaign would be risible id it wasn't do disturbing (as is all fanaticism) "I just do not understand why you think it so significant." You don't see a statement by the father of the Israeli state describing the occupation of Palestine as having "stolen their land" significant - my, my - you are in a bad way! The man he said it to, Nahum Goldmann, was the founder of The World Jewish Council - a respected man in Israel and throughout the world and the last person to make up such a profound statement Now, once again - were are your supporters? "You have posted it several times." And I will continue to post it until somebody shows it is a fake - it is a profound statement. You people are no different than the Isis maniacs - just and fanatical and every bit as dangerous, when in power (as shown by the links you are studiously ignoring). Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 14 Jan 16 - 05:14 AM No backers for your "Ben Gurion didn't say it campaign" yet Keith? You originall claimed he said it in interview, but you were wrong. If he said it, it was in 1956 (!) but only in a private conversation so we only have one person who claims to have heard it. Not very convincing Jim, and he is only supposed to have said that Arabs believed their land had been stolen which is hardly a revelation. I just do not understand why you think it so significant. You have posted it several times. Why? |
