BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 12:20 PM

" Example or Point 3 is very reminiscent of your WWI fable about summary executions."
And just like my WW1 claim - linmked to indisputable evidence."

Thanks for that Jim - best laugh I've had all day - haven't a clue what it was "linmked to" but indisputable "evidence" it most certainly wasn't wrt to your WWI effort - uncorroborated "hearsay" does not constitute evidence in any way, shape, or form - ask Richard Bridge about it Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 12:17 PM

Guest, I know you're "not bothered". You pretty much don't care who's affected by this shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 12:15 PM

I think you are a bit late Greg, we got it already.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 11:21 AM

It's time for you to stop making excuses and hold Palestinians responsible for their actions

Well, Fred, it's PAST time for you to stop making excuses and hold Israel responsible for its actions.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 11:13 AM

I, for one, am not bothered being called Brucie - it only re-enforces my decision to post anonymously. I enjoy seeing them go apoplectic at not being able to tag a post with a name to launch personal attacks against.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 11:13 AM

Is it OK if we call 'em "Fred"?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 10:58 AM

For the record, "GUEST,Brucie" was a handle used by someone who isn't involved in this thread.

The person some people think this is, beardedbruce, ALWAYS posts with his name, and is also not involved in this thread.

So please, stop calling random guests "Brucie". Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 10:51 AM

" Large amounts of foreign aid to the Palestinians are spent to support terrorists and deepen hostility [against Jews]. For years the most senior figures in the Palestinian Authority have supported, condoned and glorified terror. "Every drop of blood that has been spilled in Jerusalem," President Mahmoud Abbas said last September on Palestinian television, "is holy blood as long as it was for Allah." Countless Palestinian officials and state-run television have repeatedly hailed the murder of Jews.

This support for terrorism doesn't end with hate speech. The Palestinian regime in Ramallah pays monthly stipends of between $400 and $3,500 to terrorists and their families, the latter of which is more than five times the average monthly salary of a Palestinian worker.

According to data from its budgetary reports, compiled in June 2014 by Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the PA's annual budget for supporting Palestinian terrorists was then roughly $75 million..."

Wall Street Journal, "Where Does All That Aid for Palestinians Go?," Jan. 25, 2016

Terrorism, Again (Israel)......indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 10:14 AM

I asked "why" meaning "why are you making an issue of it."

I am sure you are all right about Korean names, but as the man will never read this thread what does it matter?
No Oriental Mudcatter has seen fit to complain.

There is no danger of misunderstanding who is meant so why try to pretend it is an issue?

I think that some people are desperate to make a point however trivial.
Jim makes up "facts" but Guest Dave and Steve seem not to care about that.
Why the different standard?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 09:25 AM

An analogue is certain Balkan countries where it is usual to put the surname first; so Eugène Ionesco would have been known in his native Romania as Ionesco Evgeny.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 09:18 AM

And that's the second time of telling, Keith, in words of one syllable. I'm beginning to suspect that you occasionally don't listen.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 09:13 AM

Keith

Oriental names do normally render the single-syllable family name before the bisyllabic personal name:-

eg Chiang Kai-Shek was, in our terms, President Chiang; Mao Ze-Dong was Chairman Mao, &c.

I learned this while lecturing at universities in China for the British Council on English Folksong a few months before Tienanmen Square.

So Ban Ki-moon is indeed Mr Ban, as Dave says; and that is, as you ask, why.

They themselves are the ones who say so, so I think we should accept & respect it.

Regards
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 09:12 AM

Jan. 26, 2016

Dear Mr. Secretary-General

Today you spoke of Palestinian attacks on Israelis and you said "it is human nature to react to occupation".

No, It was not human nature for Palestinians, in this past week alone, to stab to death Dafna Meir, a mother of six children, outside her home; to stab Michal Froman, a pregnant woman; or to stab Shlomit Krigman, a 23-year-old university graduate, who just died today from her wounds.

It's time for you to stop making excuses and hold Palestinians responsible for their actions - those who murder, and the Fatah, Hamas and other leaders who incite them.

Sincerely,
Hillel C. Neuer
UN Watch

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:58 AM

Says who, and why?
Is there any confusion over who is being referred to?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:56 AM

We went through this Keith. Its Mr. Ban, or Ban Ki-Moon.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:50 AM

"but says number of dead and wounded Palestinian children is unacceptable"

But he does not hold Israel responsible.
killing of so many children (according to Ban Ki-Moon) or women and old people. Not true Jim. Ki-Moon does not accuse Israel of killing children.
You made that up.

unless you are going to provide proof that they didn't do what I say they have

You and Israel's enemies say they did.
Israel and the democratic countries say they did not.
You have no "proof" Jim? It is just propaganda.

I have linked every single point to masses of evidence
No you have not. Just claims and accusations.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:36 AM

...and couldn't everybody please·pretty·please just note? -----

MOSLEY

AINTOS* -- Accuracy matters

≈M≈ - OLP (Official·Legendary·Pedant)


*'As I Never Tire Of Saying'

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:29 AM

The literal meaning of

שלום

BTW

is PEACE

But then, with some of your best friends being Jews &·all·that·jazz, I daresay you knew that.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:26 AM

The bits you didn't draw attention to in your Ban Ki-Moon defence

Officials said the UN special envoy for children in armed conflict, Leila Zerrougui, had recommended that both Israel and Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip, be placed on the report's list of parties that recruit, use, kill, maim or commit acts of sexual violence against children. But the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the recommendation was not public, said there were differences of opinion among those on the ground on whether Israel should be listed – a key reason why it wasn't and neither was Hamas.

The report, covering 2014, includes Israel and "the state of Palestine" in a 33-paragraph section on "grave violations committed against children during armed conflict". It cites escalating hostilities in Gaza and a significant increase in tensions in the West Bank, "with devastating impacts for children".
In Gaza, at least 561 children – 557 Palestinians and 4 Israelis – were killed, and 4,271 were injured, all but 22 of them Palestinians, the report said. In the West Bank, 13 Palestinian boys and three Israeli youths were killed and 1,218 children

The secretary general urged Israel "to take concrete and immediate steps, including by reviewing existing policies and practices, to protect children, to prevent the killing and maiming of children, and to respect the special protections afforded to schools and hospitals".
He also urged Israel to ensure accountability for perpetrators of alleged violations.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:23 AM

My word, Jim. Some impressive research there! Well done! Must have taken you hours!
Just one question arising:
What, precisely, was it all for?

Just asking.

Try just asking yourself.

As ever

שלום

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:10 AM

"Not what I said at all."
True - what you actually said is "It is all tosh Jim."
Bit of a loss to spot the difference

Ban Ki-Moon
Missed a bit.
"but says number of dead and wounded Palestinian children is unacceptable"

Look Keith - unless you are going to provide proof that they didn't do what I say they have - you may as well just put "they didn't do it" and save yourself the trouble.
Until you do, my points remain - prove them wrong don't just deny them.
The same goes for you Lilo
If wat I have put up is "propaganda and rubbish" - prove it
I have linked every single point to masses of evidence - where's yours?
See 23 Jan 16 - 04:20 AM and following posts.
You are not even trying
Piss or get off the pot
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:04 AM

Yesterday, not 7 months ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:04 AM

HiLo, I have long ago stopped reading Carroll's screeds, they made me physically ill. I may look at the first few words that's all I need to see. I see very little difference between his ravings and those of antisemitic white supremacists and neo-Nazis which I would not read either. A friend, who is a long time member, stopped reading the Israel threads because his, and a couple others, hateful views were adversely affecting his blood pressure. Thankfully, my blood pressure is good.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 08:01 AM

2 Days Ago, not 7 months

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:39 AM

Guardian last June.
"Ban Ki-moon leaves Israel off list of countries that kill or injure children"
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/08/ban-ki-moon-leaves-israel-off-list-of-countries-that-violate-childrens-rights

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:37 AM

just denials "Israel didn't do it"

Not what I said at all.
I just gave Israel's side of the story.

the destructuion of occupied hospitals,

Hamas was operating and fighting from the hospitals.
They put the hospital in harm's way, not Israel which was acting in defence of civilians.

killing of so many children (according to Ban Ki-Moon) or women and old people.

The civilian deaths were the result of Hamas' war crimes not Israel's.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:36 AM

You have put up speculation, distortions, propaganda and rubbish. There is no point giving facts, you ignore them. people who are obsessed and consumed by hate red need to be confronted at every turn. . and it is HiLo Jim, name calling is not what grown ups do.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:20 AM

"lifetime supporting Israel, his family attacked the Moselys.... all of which beats anything you have offered to date.
You missed ourt the reams of evidence which has been put up - which you are welcome to demolish
Your're not even as good at this as Keith or Terrytoon, are you Lilo?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:16 AM

No excuse of the atrocities done during the invasion the destructuion of occupied hospitals, he unprecedented killing of so many children (according to Ban Ki-Moon) or women and old people.
"No decent democratic government believes Israel guilty of any massacre or atrocity."
Every single human rights group has accused it of these - not interested what self-interested politicians think.
Not done too well so far - no evidence, just denials "Israel didn't do it"
Now how about that rest of number 5?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 07:08 AM

Start with one, if you wish and work your way down - suits me.

Ok Jim.
5   In 2015, Israel invaded Gaza, leaving 2,104 Palestinian dead, including 1,462 civilians - 344 children.

Israel was subjected to indiscriminate attacks on its civilians from terrorists hiding among civilians. It was a victim of war crimes.
It had a right and duty to respond, and tried to do so without breaking international law. The civilian deaths were the result of Hamas' war crimes not Israel's.

No decent democratic government believes Israel guilty of any massacre or atrocity.
They know it is all propaganda, but deluded hate filled people like you suck it all up without a question.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 06:55 AM

Typical Jim response...'lifetime supporting Israel, his family attacked the Moselys, Einstein agrees with Jim Carroll, he had a friend who went to Jerusalem, Jim watches ten years of telly, those who call him on his gross distortions are tossers, And his friend had a way with words .....ah Jim , you are so predictable!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 06:39 AM

"It is all tosh Jim."
That'll do nicely Keith Israel "didn't do anything" - just what you accused my of lying about.
Piss of with "choose one of your claims" - you don't even have scroll up the thread - they are there for the choosing
Start with one, if you wish and work your way down - suits me.
I don't need to dig out evidence for any single one of these claims - they have all been presented over and over again
"
Choose one of your claims and we will look at it in detail."
Pompous pratt - all looked at in detail dozens of times.
" Example or Point 3 is very reminiscent of your WWI fable about summary executions."
And just like my WW1 claim - linmked to indisputable evidence.
You want to give Keith a hand as he seems incapable of dealing with half-a-dozen words at a time?
Thought not
Lie down, you pair of tossers -you're long dead
Thanks again for the confirmation |Keith -apology not expected.
Game, set and match again
"If your description of Israel comes from a decade of telly watching"
My information comes from a lifetime of supporting the State of Israel - my family did so from the beginning and were on the streets fighting Mosely when the Jews were being attacked.
Criticism of the Isreali regime, from Einstien's "massacres", from Haaretz claiming "ethnic cleansing" and "persecution of Bedoins", from Israeli critics who have described Israel as "an apartheid State"..... and much much more - has always been backed with and, where possible - linked to direct evidence - where is yours Lilo?
Before you ask - no, I haven't been to Israel and I am as likely to go there aws I was to Apartheid South Africa.
Still have the postcard from a late dear friend Tom Munnelly, who attended an International Ballad Conference in Jerusalem and described it as resembling a military dictatorship - his closing words were "Beam me up Scotty" (Tommy always did have a way with words)
Sorry that should have been "trio of tossers"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 06:12 AM

Jim Carroll - 28 Jan 16 - 05:13 AM

More baseless and unsubstantiated allegations Jim?? Example or Point 3 is very reminiscent of your WWI fable about summary executions.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 06:00 AM

It is all tosh Jim.
Choose one of your claims and we will look at it in detail.
What are you afraid of?
Being proved deluded?
Having it all shown to be tosh?
You are right to fear that.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 05:25 AM

ItsHiLo Jim. You are an obsessive hater . If your description of Israel comes from a decade of telly watching, I do wonder what channels you take in.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jan 16 - 05:13 AM

" CHECK"
Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.   CHECK
However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.   CHECK

"No I don't - show where I have "Israel is innocent""
Right – let's give it a try and see how we go.

1   Jewish forces were responsible for 24 massacres during the Arab/Israeli War – if this os disputed, please show   True or false?

2   Israel has a history of massacres dating to the beginning of the state
Massacres by Israeli troops and special forces took place in the fifites, sixties seventies, 80s,,, in fact, up to the present day Treu or false?

3   Towards the end of the Six Day War, Israeli officers ordered the execution of unarmed prisoners, then, having odered their buriel, ordered the killing of the gravediggers, selected from among the remaining prisoners, in otder to conceal the crime   True or false?

4    Using the pretence of searching for fighters and weapons, the Israeli army, under the leadership of Ariel Sharon, transported and armed Christian right-wing Falangists troops to the Sabra/Shatila refugee camps, opened the gates and stood by while, for there days, they massacred up to 3,500 unarmed refugee men women and children.
The three-day massacre included the mass rape of women, followed by throat-cutting, the disembowelling of living women and the tearing of the foetuses from their wombs.
One eye-witness survivor testified that she appealed to an Israeli soldier who was standing by as she was being dragged away – he turned his back on her.
So the massacre could continue throughout the night, the Israeli army provided illumination by flares – at the gates, they turned back refuges trying to escape.
At the end of three days, the army provided bulldozers to bury the bodies – eventually they built a Sports Stadium over the mass graves, ascertaining that the exact number of dead will never be known.
The Army then transported the killers from the scene – they have never been brought to justice
The man in charge of the Israeli troops, Ariel Sharon, was later elected Prime Minister of Israel
No democratic modern country has ever elected any individual accused, let alone found partially guilty of such a crime into high office – nowhere.
True or false?

5   In 2015, Israel invaded Gaza, leaving 2,104 Palestinian dead, including 1,462 civilians - 344 children.
The destruction included hospitals, schools, health centres, elderly care homes and many thousands of domestic dwellings, many of these still occupied.
On one occasion, the officials of a hospital informed an Israeli officer that they were unable to evacuate the patients because of their advanced ages and condition – the officer instructed them to stay where they were and, the following morning, bombarded the hospital with rockets and tank fire.
Followin the fighting, parties of Israeli troops wandered around the rubble picking off survivors.
True or false?

6   Since the invasion teh Israelis have fought tooth and nail to avoid standing trial - they have proposed that The International War Crimes Court be closed down/
Should this happen, there will be no International independant body to try the present war crimes taking place by people like Assad and Isis.
True or false?

There you go – try that for size, blue eyes.
   
"The Israel Jim describes does not exist. "
What we saw on tele over the last decade is all lies then Lilo – jeeze – not another one
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 06:25 PM

Greg, there is nothing wrong with anyone's reading comprehension skills here, we are not all stupid . Some of us understand what is going on here. And please do stop this foolishness about calling critics of Israel anti semetic, it is a very tired tactic. You ought to read these threads more carefully, and you also need to find some subjects you know something about, comment on them, but please do your homework and stop being so off hand about a subject the nuances of which escape you!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Brian May
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 06:14 PM

Over the years I've visited this site, the same old names crop up - whatever the subject, with diametrically opposed views. They then savage each other with accusations and counter-accusations of who said what when.

I'm beginning to think that it's just one schizophrenic with multiple logins . . .

Don't you ever get tired with arguing with each other?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 05:54 PM

Let,s be honest here. I have lived in Israel. The Israel Jim describes does not exist. His version of that country is filled with vitriol, distortions and bloody rubbish.   call that what you will, but his utter hatred of that country is driven not by reasoned debate, but by a skewed and demonizing point of view. not only is Israel demonized, but those who disagree with him are "odious" and even anti Semitic . please do spare us the pretence and call it what it is...an irrational and obsessive hate for that country...about which he knows less than nothing. So please , give up on facts, facts don!t interest him. and for Gods sake, don,t cower under to his accusations of bigotry, it is his favourite ploy and I am sick to death of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 05:07 PM

"Mike has done it" ...

ONLY within the context of comparison with Nazism, which is one of that EUMC's definitions of antisemitism. You shouldn't suggest that I make a habit of denouncing any criticism of Israel's government as antisemitism. I have had some not entirely favorable things to say of it/them myself, for that matter!

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 05:01 PM

An Israeli man was wounded Wednesday night in a suspected terror stabbing at a gas station outside the West Bank settlement of Givat Ze'ev, north of Jerusalem.

The man was treated by medical teams that arrived at the scene. The Magen David Adom first-aid service said he was stabbed in the upper body and moderately to severely wounded.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Earlier Wednesday, a Palestinian teen was arrested on suspicion that he had attempted to stab a soldier at the Qalandiya checkpoint near Jerusalem. There were no injuries in the incident.

During a routine army search on a bus at the checkpoint, the teenager was asked to show his identity card, and when he failed to do so, was requested to step out of the vehicle. At that point the 17-year-old pulled out a knife and tried to assault an IDF soldier, but the weapon fell from his hand, police said.

Terrorism, Again (Israel).....indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:53 PM

Greg,
Either your reading comprehension skills need improvemment, Professor, or you haven't been paying attention.

No Greg.
No-one here has ever claimed, "that anyone who criticises Israeli government policy is an antisemite."

You will find none.

Jim,
No I don't - show where I have
"Israel is innocent"

Fake quote.
I have never said that.

"people like you, who supports it when it happens to thousands - by tanks, rockets, chemicals..... or even by killers sent in to slaughter thousands of unarmed refugees - just as long as it's done in the name of the State of Israel."

Completely untrue and made up.
Lies Jim. If you had a case you would not have to resort to telling lies about me.
Why not just discuss the issues instead of always making it personal against me?

Brainless Bruce does it ll the time, Mike has done it, you have done it in the past

Not true.
No-one here has ever claimed, "that anyone who criticises Israeli government policy is an antisemite."
You will not find one.

Still no sign of your evidence for all those claims and dismissals - Benny Morris's supposed contradictors, 6 Day War massacres, Sabra Shatila evidence, Israel attempts to destroy International Criminal Court, 2014 massacres that didn't happen.....

Put your claims up one at a time and I will address them all.
No-one could begin to deal with all that shit in one thread never mind one post.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 04:08 PM

anyone who criticises Israeli government policy is an antisemite   

no one here has done that but:

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective - such as, especially but not exclusively - the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy, or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.    CHECK

Applying double standards by requiring of it behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation    CHECK

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.    CHECK

Let it be clear: Criticism of Israel is not antisemitic, and saying so is wrong. But singling Israel out for selective condemnation and opprobrium - let alone denying its right to exist or seeking its destruction - is discriminatory and hateful, and not saying so is dishonest.      CHECK

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 03:17 PM

"I ask Jim to respond to what I say and not lie that I have said things that I have not said"
No I don't - show where I have
When I produce of something you claim not to have said - you usually either go on justifying it or balme somebody else, like a real Historian" or an "expert" and blame them for putting you up to it.
You don't even have the balls to stand by your own opinions.
"But, no-one here has ever claimed that Greg."
WHAT!!!!!!
Brainless Bruce does it ll the time, Mike has done it, you have done it in the past - it's the standard get-out-of-jail card in these discussions.
You really do need an honesty implant (not a cultural one)
You demonise yourself with your dishonesty and stupidity
Still no sign of your evidence for all those claims and dismissals - Benny Morris's supposed contradictors, 6 Day War massacres, Sabra Shatila evidence, Israel attempts to destroy International Criminal Court, 2014 massacres that didn't happen.....
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 02:54 PM

But, no-one here has ever claimed that Greg.

Either your reading comprehension skills need improvemment, Professor, or you haven't been paying attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 02:38 PM

like claiming that anyone who criticises Israeli government policy is an antisemite,

But, no-one here has ever claimed that Greg.
It has been claimed that anti-Semites habitually criticise Israel, but that is a fact.
What is your point?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 02:20 PM

such hateful rubbish

Hateful rubbish - like claiming that anyone who criticises Israeli government policy is an antisemite, Hi?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,hoLo
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 02:12 PM

Sorry, I got ahead of myself. ..... Even if his logic and reasoning, etc... Well, yes, it does make it easy to disagree with him, Of course it is not " odious" to disagree with such hateful rubbish as Jim spouts here., there is no logic or reason to it' just unremitting , over the top rants.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 02:09 PM

Youre argument from day one is that Israel never did what it ahs been see to do over and over again - not responsible for massacres, Sabra Shatila, killing of civilians.

I have put Israel's case as you have put the opposite case.
Why do you object to both sides being put?

castigating Israel for occupation and terrorism.

No. He has not castigated Israel for terrorism. Why claim it?
He did refer to "occupation." That is an interpretation of the situation, but many do not share it.

"No. You can't"
Ah, familiar territory.

Familiar yes.
When Jim accuses me of saying things I never have and never would say, I point out that he is lying again and can not give a quote because it is a lie.

I ask Jim to respond to what I say and not lie that I have said things that I have not said.
I ask that he debates the issues instead of trying to demonize me personally with lies.
Reasonable request I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 27 Jan 16 - 12:09 PM

Jim's likes and dislikes aren't my concern here.

On these matters he is generally on the side of the Angels, even if his logic and reasoning occasionally makes it easy for those with odious agendas to ridicule his detail.

Meanwhile Ban ki Moon has at last joined the ranks of reason, castigating Israel for occupation and terrorism. Once the pro Israel dollars can no longer buy respect for slaughter, all sides might have to sit down and negotiate after all, but as with US gun law, you need honest politicos first.